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Windows Phone Mango released to manufacturing (RTM)

Seems Microsoft is moving full steam ahead we have RTM!!!http://wmpoweruser.com/windows-phone-7-mango-released-to-manufacturers-in-carrier-testing/

rruffman said:
Seems Microsoft is moving full steam ahead we have RTM!!!http://wmpoweruser.com/windows-phone-7-mango-released-to-manufacturers-in-carrier-testing/
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a subject already exist http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1170721&page=2
but great news for us

Well yeah at the end of August we will see the first new phones, but Microsoft always said that consumers will get Mango in the fall.
So it's nice to hear they have RTM'd, but September is already fall and with carrier testing and OEM testing I doubt will get it earlier.

slimshady322 said:
Well yeah at the end of August we will see the first new phones, but Microsoft always said that consumers will get Mango in the fall.
So it's nice to hear they have RTM'd, but September is already fall and with carrier testing and OEM testing I doubt will get it earlier.
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we can hope that got it earlier
http://www.wpcentral.com/ATT-dell-venue-pro-not-shipping-till-8-30-getting-mango-speculation

"fall" is only two months away, as of tomorrow. Just to keep things in perspective.
It seems reasonable to expect the testing and certification by phone manufacturers and carriers to take at least two months, which would be consistent with all of the timelines that have been "leaked" over the past few months. Many rumors indicated that Mango would RTM in July (which it has), and that new Mango-equipped hardware would begin to hit retailers by late August/early September (which also appears to be accurate - remember, no one ever said they would be available worldwide at that time).
Add in another month to complete manufacturer/carrier testing for existing devices, and deal with the logistical issues around preparing for the distribution, and people on reasonable carriers could easily start seeing the update on their phones in early October. People on AT&T will probably see it by June of next year.

Already reported by Microsoft themselves that Windows Phone 7 Mango has not RTM'd yet. Which is good IMO, because I'd rather them work on it as much as possible.

prjkthack said:
Already reported by Microsoft themselves that Windows Phone 7 Mango has not RTM'd yet. Which is good IMO, because I'd rather them work on it as much as possible.
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it is now

http://windowsteamblog.com/windows_...ws-phone-mango-released-to-manufacturing.aspx

I'm going to hope (probably in vane) that the RTM is leaked onto the internets somehow. I've had minimal dramas with the mango beta, so I'd like to get onboard with the RTM ASAP.

Demaar said:
I'm going to hope (probably in vane) that the RTM is leaked onto the internets somehow. I've had minimal dramas with the mango beta, so I'd like to get onboard with the RTM ASAP.
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how will hoping you know about the direction of wind help mango leak?!
i will hope in vain as well, but maybe we'll get lucky and it will leak out (or even be released in short order)
wasn't that new toshiba phone msft is showing today/tomorrow supposed to be running mango?

prjkthack said:
Already reported by Microsoft themselves that Windows Phone 7 Mango has not RTM'd yet. Which is good IMO, because I'd rather them work on it as much as possible.
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Well, it looks like you got more time. Only 4 days worth, but still...
Seriously, though, It seems obvious now that the code was already frozen when the original report "leaked", but that the hand-off to handset makers and operators was not complete. Now it is.
So, we are still on track (barring ridiculous manufacturer/carrier delays) to see people actually receive the update by late September/early October. And, if Nokia does have hardware ready to go (which seems evident), we may see Mango-equipped new phone models very quickly.

kinda news ?
i was expecting more today, like a NEW mango finalized device displayed somewhere..
is this only a rtm announcement ?
anyone know if there will be a 2 stage release to end users like nodo had to make carriers actually push updates to phones ?
...waiting for some hard news...

I'm hoping that I'll connect to Zune soon and see that an update is available. I'd like full Twitter integration in my Mango.

ohgood said:
anyone know if there will be a 2 stage release to end users like nodo had to make carriers actually push updates to phones ?
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I'm not sure what you're asking. All WP7 updates go through a certification process with both handset manufacturers and mobile operators. But neither of those entities "push" the updates to phones. Update delivery only happens through Microsoft (i.e., Zune).
So, what is happening now is that the other companies involved have received their copies of Mango for final testing and sign-off. They had likely already received earlier builds, so they could begin development of new features and/or apps (thanks to all of the new capabilities they might want to capitalize on), but now the clock is ticking on them. They complete the sign-off, send back to Microsoft any modifications they have made specific to their hardware or mobile service, and then Microsoft combines those into various bundles that ultimately get delivered to our phones.
The one exception to that rule is unbranded phones, which will probably receive the update before carrier-branded ones, since there is only one level of sign-off needed before the update can be made available.
The big question is whether Microsoft will be able to apply more pressure to carriers (especially AT&T) to sign-off in a timely manner. On this issue, let's just say that I have my doubts.
Out of curiosity, did we ever get a notice of the specific date that NoDo went RTM? I don't recall seeing one. Maybe the fact that Microsoft is being so vocal this time around is part of their plan to "motivate" carriers.

This is fantastic. Like others Im hoping someone leaks the latest build so XDA members can get their fingers dirty.

RoboDad said:
I'm not sure what you're asking. All WP7 updates go through a certification process with both handset manufacturers and mobile operators. But neither of those entities "push" the updates to phones. Update delivery only happens through Microsoft (i.e., Zune).
So, what is happening now is that the other companies involved have received their copies of Mango for final testing and sign-off. They had likely already received earlier builds, so they could begin development of new features and/or apps (thanks to all of the new capabilities they might want to capitalize on), but now the clock is ticking on them. They complete the sign-off, send back to Microsoft any modifications they have made specific to their hardware or mobile service, and then Microsoft combines those into various bundles that ultimately get delivered to our phones.
The one exception to that rule is unbranded phones, which will probably receive the update before carrier-branded ones, since there is only one level of sign-off needed before the update can be made available.
The big question is whether Microsoft will be able to apply more pressure to carriers (especially AT&T) to sign-off in a timely manner. On this issue, let's just say that I have my doubts.
Out of curiosity, did we ever get a notice of the specific date that NoDo went RTM? I don't recall seeing one. Maybe the fact that Microsoft is being so vocal this time around is part of their plan to "motivate" carriers.
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i don't know how to be more clear with my question.
i can't see att caring about what microsoft says about signing off. they aren't exactly pushing wp products, and could care less about an update that will -not- sell another contract/phone to existing customers. an iphone hardware update on the other hand, oh yes yes yes, they love that stuff.
i did see a couple of blog posts (via my android news aggregator) stating that there would be a mango hardware unveil today, along with the rtm statement. apparently, bloggers jumped the gun, again.
the rtm statement is really a non-news worthy event. "we released something to someone, so sometime soon you might have a something for your phone. maybe." really that's all it is.
now HARDWARE... that's something i can understand there being threads and news about. say, searay or whatever the supposed new SHIPPING device is, that's news.
anyway, back to my jonesing for new tech... maybe endgadget or someone has some cool news... rss update time

ohgood said:
i don't know how to be more clear with my question.
i can't see att caring about what microsoft says about signing off. they aren't exactly pushing wp products
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Pushing products in a store and pushing updates to existing phones have nothing to do with each other. So I still don't understand your original question about carriers pushing the update to our phones. They don't push the update, Microsoft does.

Microsoft: The delivery of Mango is now in the hands of handset makers

Peter Wissinger, the director for Microsoft’s Mobile Business Group in the Nordic countries, has made an “official” statement about the delivery handsets running Mango, saying the software was completed ahead of schedule.
He writes (translated)
Official statement: Now it’s up to our manufacturing partners to release mangos to our customers. Microsoft has delivered complete mango earlier than planned to the manufacturers. Feels good now.
It’s good to see a re-invigorated Microsoft who not only meet their ship targets but exceeds then, a far cry from the slow pace we were used to in the Windows Mobile days.
The statement may mean either we will see devices early than expected, such as the Fujitsu IS12T next week, or that some devices may come over a longer period, rather than all at once like last year.
The former is however more likely, as most Windows Phones are in need of being replaced in the market with new devices with improved specs, so I still expect we will see a good bunch of new Windows Phones released over the next few months.
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colossus_r said:
Peter Wissinger, the director for Microsoft’s Mobile Business Group in the Nordic countries, has made an “official” statement about the delivery handsets running Mango, saying the software was completed ahead of schedule.
He writes (translated)
Official statement: Now it’s up to our manufacturing partners to release mangos to our customers. Microsoft has delivered complete mango earlier than planned to the manufacturers. Feels good now.
It’s good to see a re-invigorated Microsoft who not only meet their ship targets but exceeds then, a far cry from the slow pace we were used to in the Windows Mobile days.
The statement may mean either we will see devices early than expected, such as the Fujitsu IS12T next week, or that some devices may come over a longer period, rather than all at once like last year.
The former is however more likely, as most Windows Phones are in need of being replaced in the market with new devices with improved specs, so I still expect we will see a good bunch of new Windows Phones released over the next few months.
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we're
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpFg52bpzZM&feature=related
doomed...

domineus said:
we're
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpFg52bpzZM&feature=related
doomed...
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LOL ..Yes ..some operators have big problems on delivering the update...

What about those who have unbranded devices ?

Extreme boy said:
What about those who have unbranded devices ?
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Same question. Were supposed to get it from Microsoft, right?

Everyone will get it from Microsoft (via Zune). But no one will get it until the manufacturers deliver their device-specific updates back to Microsoft, so they can create the different device delivery bundles.
If your phone is unbranded, you should not have to wait for the carrier-specific updates to be sent back to MS, which is where most of the delay usually comes from.

Check your zune software for updates.......

Has everyone started getting mango updates from zune now??

How about HTC?

Purple11 said:
Has everyone started getting mango updates from zune now??
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nope
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Not yet ..only problem with htc marketplace seems can't update my since connection setup since yesterday.Can't download from them alsnly Zune marketplace possible to download.

Zune 4.8 official update is now available

Extreme boy said:
Zune 4.8 official update is now available
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Yup it is.. im downloading

how did you all get that 4.8.I went to their site it's only 4.7.

I just download the new zune 4.8 fromtheir site<i would like to know whether it is compatible with NODO?

Ttblondey said:
I just download the new zune 4.8 fromtheir site<i would like to know whether it is compatible with NODO?
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Yes it is. I'm running NoDo 7392 with Zune 4.8

Will Mango app come out tomorrow?

Nearly 1 month ago Microsoft said the developer can submit on 22/8.

Yes dev's can submit starting tomorrow. So expect some updates in the next week or two once they are approved.

I think we will see many new apps tomorrow
Its a big day for mango users
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Are you guys sure all those apps will hit the marketplace before the rollout of Mango has begun?

The developers are able to submit their apps on 22.8 to the marketplace
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Just because developers will be able to submit apps doesn't imply that those apps will immediately show up in the marketplace. Mango has not been officially released to the public, so it seems very unlikely that any Mango-specific apps would be released in the marketplace yet.
I think the reason they are allowing apps to be submitted now is so that they can queue them up, and on the day Mango is publicly released they can also announce something like "along with today's release of Windows Phone 7.5, we are pleased to announce the availability of 5000 new apps in the marketplace, all designed to take advantage of its new features".

jimmyzerol said:
Nearly 1 month ago Microsoft said the developer can submit on 22/8.
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Apps won't come out tomorrow. Tomorrow is just the start of being able to submit Mango-based apps. They still have to be certified and published, so you may not see much until late next week probably.
dkp1977 said:
Are you guys sure all those apps will hit the marketplace before the rollout of Mango has begun?
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Considering that no one knows when Mango will rollout (not even Microsoft), then its safe to assume that they'll probably just start putting apps onto the Marketplace as soon as they are certified. Anyone with a Mango device will see Mango apps automatically, and anyone who doesn't have Mango will continue to see apps for their version of Windows Phone 7.
RoboDad said:
Just because developers will be able to submit apps doesn't imply that those apps will immediately show up in the marketplace. Mango has not been officially released to the public, so it seems very unlikely that any Mango-specific apps would be released in the marketplace yet.
I think the reason they are allowing apps to be submitted now is so that they can queue them up, and on the day Mango is publicly released they can also announce something like "along with today's release of Windows Phone 7.5, we are pleased to announce the availability of 5000 new apps in the marketplace, all designed to take advantage of its new features".
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The problem there is that there is no one "release day". The release day is whenever the manufacturers and carriers have their version of Mango ready for your phone. So there will be multiple release days, each different for every carrier and possibly even for specific phone models.

I think that people having mango will be able to download mango apps tomorrow because Microsoft wants to test their new system
They want to know if everything is compatible with the different versions of their windows phones
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prjkthack said:
The problem there is that there is no one "release day". The release day is whenever the manufacturers and carriers have their version of Mango ready for your phone. So there will be multiple release days, each different for every carrier and possibly even for specific phone models.
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That's not entirely true either. Manufacturers and carriers don't deliver WP7 updates. They all go through Microsoft. The "release day" could be the day it is announced that the first wave of updates are being delivered to customers. Or, it could be the day the first new phones preloaded with Mango are available for sale (which could easily be coordinated so that several go up for sale the same day).
Even with NoDo, there was a public announcement of availability/release of the update, even though many/most people didn't receive it until some time later.

Hamido123 said:
I think that people having mango will be able to download mango apps tomorrow because Microsoft wants to test their new system
They want to know if everything is compatible with the different versions of their windows phones
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Even if what you say is true, the apps still wouldn't be available tomorrow. Once apps are submitted, there is an approval process they must pass before they are released in the marketplace. That process typically takes about 4-5 days, at least from the developers I have spoken with.

RoboDad said:
That's not entirely true either. Manufacturers and carriers don't deliver WP7 updates. They all go through Microsoft. The "release day" could be the day it is announced that the first wave of updates are being delivered to customers. Or, it could be the day the first new phones preloaded with Mango are available for sale (which could easily be coordinated so that several go up for sale the same day).
Even with NoDo, there was a public announcement of availability/release of the update, even though many/most people didn't receive it until some time later.
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No one said that they deliver updates, but it is in their hands now (as Microsoft even says). They'll hand it back to Microsoft to release, so the ball is still in their court as to when there will be an initial release.
Regardless, it doesn't appear that they will stop the flow of Mango apps just to make one huge announcement at some point in the future. Heck, there are already apps that do some Mango-specific things available, and those have not been stopped thus far.

Backward Compatible with Pre-Mango WP7
Hi all
I am sure that a requirement of "Mango" applications is that they are backward compatible with pre-Mango WP7 versions. MS would be crazy not to stipulate that.
If that is the case, then Mango compatible apps/updates could start appearing in the WP Marketplace towards the end of this week.
Look out for them I say!
Cheers
andrew-in-woking

andrew-in-woking said:
Hi all
I am sure that a requirement of "Mango" applications is that they are backward compatible with pre-Mango WP7 versions. MS would be crazy not to stipulate that.
If that is the case, then Mango compatible apps/updates could start appearing in the WP Marketplace towards the end of this week.
Look out for them I say!
Cheers
andrew-in-woking
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Well, that's impossible minding the awesome new featureset we get with Mango!

considering that the Fujitsu IS12T is available for retail on the 25th (that's in 3 days!), apps should start trickling in tomorrow itself. there's going to be a huge influx of apps and the certifiers will be trying to get through them as quickly as they can. Also, Cliff Simpkins said on the WP Dev Podcast that present Mango users (that's us devs) should be able to see the mango apps in our marketplace app as soon as they are certified.

andrew-in-woking said:
Hi all
I am sure that a requirement of "Mango" applications is that they are backward compatible with pre-Mango WP7 versions. MS would be crazy not to stipulate that.
If that is the case, then Mango compatible apps/updates could start appearing in the WP Marketplace towards the end of this week.
Look out for them I say!
Cheers
andrew-in-woking
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Unfortunately, this is not the case. Apps made for Mango will only be displayed on the Marketplace of a Mango device.
If you are using something pre-Mango, you'll only see pre-Mango apps on your Marketplace.

Mango apps will not be backwards compatible. They will not work in Pre-Mango. Apps updated to Mango also can not have Pre-Mango updates once they are updated for Mango, which means the last version made for Pre-Mango will be the last version ever once they update the App for Mango's new features.
Mango Apps will NOT be backward compatible : what users should know

Speaking of Mango apps, anybody know how apps like MSN Video and 4th and Mayor are using Mango features already?
MSN Video shows up in Bing when you click on a movie card and 4th and Mayor allows you to pin specific locations to your home screen and it will launch directly to that location.

PG2G said:
Speaking of Mango apps, anybody know how apps like MSN Video and 4th and Mayor are using Mango features already?
MSN Video shows up in Bing when you click on a movie card and 4th and Mayor allows you to pin specific locations to your home screen and it will launch directly to that location.
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Well, MSN Video is a Microsoft app, and Jeff, the 4thandMayor dev, is a Microsoft employee, so he probably has some wiggle room.

checked the marketplace now, no mango apps yet..

Magpir said:
checked the marketplace now, no mango apps yet..
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Of course. They have to be tested and certified just like pre-Mango apps. So that will take some days.

[Rumor] Mango to be released next week.

According to this article on wmpoweruser.com - which referres to a windowsphone dev podcast, Mango will start to be released next week. Which is a little sooner than expected, since it was rumored to be released in the end of september.

dkp1977 said:
According to this article on wmpoweruser.com - which referres to a windowsphone dev podcast, Mango will start to be released next week. Which is a little sooner than expected, since it was rumored to be released in the end of september.
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Some said 15th earlier, which is on next week's Thursday. I hope this is true. Time for me to play those registry tricks to see if I can install extra languages.
But not sure if DVP will follow this schedule.......

The way Microsoft and reliable sources are talking, it seems as though Microsoft may have used some of its strength on carriers and we'll see a much more expedited release. That isn't to say some, or many, won't be delayed, but I doubt it'll be a NoDo type delay.

I will be amazed if my phone gets the update this side of Christmas and I refuse to het my hopes up

SO, what will we do if we have 7720 eh? Roll all the way back to Nodo?

Strike_Eagle said:
SO, what will we do if we have 7720 eh? Roll all the way back to Nodo?
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Yup, that's why we were supposed to back up our backup.

I think this time around, once MS announces the Mango update rollout schedule, most of the devices will get it fairly quickly. MS should have learnt a thing or two from the NoDo episode.
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@Henry I think Dell may be on board. I called last week about a replacement DVP and was told they were out of stock and to call back Sep 16 to get my replacement shipped out.
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Keep in mind, The marketplace started accepting apps for Mango a few weeks ago. No Dev is going to release new apps for NoDO when Mango will offer more features in the API and everyone should have it soon.
Microsoft has a big push in getting Mango in everyone's hands ASAP.
The question is, how it will be done, the leaked roms from HTC are making people nuke their phones to install it, most carriers are going to want people to do it as a upgrade, because of data loss=support nightmare.
Time will tell but, I will bet it will be within the next 2 weeks for 90% of the carriers (huge carriers almost 99%)

Sadly MS is highly unpredictable. There was an overflow of rumors and statements made about the condition of WP7 upon initial release, which panned out to be false. Then there was another wildly overflowing number of rumors and statements made about the release of NoDo. NoDo was finally released when nobody really even cared anymore.
Mango was initially set for Sep./Oct of this year. If it happens, it will be the first time in recorded human history where MS has kept a date.

Strike_Eagle said:
SO, what will we do if we have 7720 eh? Roll all the way back to Nodo?
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entire thread devoted to that question.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1257690
going by snickler's post there is a chance that we might not have to roll back if on 7220.68. Only time will tell...

Still on 7712 here. Didn't get the unofficial 7720 because not much is different in it. Im hoping I don't have to go back to nodo. Even though I have a backup (multiple in fact) its just annoying to lose my settings from mango. hopefully I can go from 7712 to official mango
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7712 directly to official is highly unlikely as 7712 is beta and in the beta que. As has been said, 7720.68 may be back into the official release que (carrier and oem updates seem to come through) so a 7712 to 7720.68 to official release just might be a feasible update path that doesn't lose anything. Time will tell.
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Have to agree with martylk, even if Microsoft get mango out this week, the carriers will svree things up for sure.
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Microsoft completed Mango in July. What we are waiting on right now is the carriers (and handset makers, although it does appear that most/all of them are done now). If a release is announced in the coming days, it will be because the carriers have completed their testing and possible changes, and submitted whatever they have back to Microsoft, not because we are still waiting on them.

Yep if telenav breaks all the customers get boned cause the carrier wants their 9.99/mo... Its pretty sad, but I'm starting to think about dropping my smartphones (4 a dumbphone) and getting a 7" tab to save money and not have to deal with that in th future. this seems not o be worth it anymore...
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Mango was initially set for Sep./Oct of this year. If it happens, it will be the first time in recorded human history where MS has kept a date.
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No it has been announced for "fall", which last up until December 21st.
Everything else is speculation and rumors.

slimshady322 said:
No it has been announced for "fall", which last up until December 21st.
Everything else is speculation and rumors.
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Do a Google search and find the info. It said actually Aug./Sept., but I fudged a little for people to not have a **** fit.

Info released today: http://www.att.com/gen/press-room?pid=21053&cdvn=news&newsarticleid=32754&mapcode=consumer%7Cmobile-devices
AT&T will be among the first carriers to start updating existing phones and all Windows Phones already sold by AT&T will receive the Windows Phone 7.5 update this fall.
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MartyLK said:
Do a Google search and find the info. It said actually Aug./Sept., but I fudged a little for people to not have a **** fit.
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I did a Google search and all I found was officially "fall" + a lot of rumors.
If you show me a link I might stand corrected though.

7.8 update on Christmas?

So based on a leaked document from AT&T the 7.8 update will not go live until WP8 devices are released.... that means 7.8 will not come to the Lumia until Christmas...
Nokia and MS are just playing with the customer making promises they will not fulfill.

Matters not to me I will grab a Win Phone 8 device when they are available and either slide my L900 in a drawer or put it on ebay, as will most others who want the latest

oh yeah, since we all have a pile of money laying around to update our phones every six months. prick.

I thought Nokia was going to directly push the updates to customers who sign up for a program? I was confused when AT&T mentioned they had a timeline for it.

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oh yeah, since we all have a pile of money laying around to update our phones every six months. prick.
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Careful - name calling isn't part of the discussion. If someone can afford it they are welcome to do what they want with their money. He said what he's going to do, not what everyone should do. Hence, name calling is totally unwarranted here.
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I thought Nokia was going to directly push the updates to customers who sign up for a program? I was confused when AT&T mentioned they had a timeline for it.
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Yes, the update will be made available OTA afaik. My guess is that AT&T will do the official push to gather everyone in so they all are running 7.8. I would assume that even though I will be pushing the update to myself, not everyone will want to do that (depending on how it's made available). My dad comes to mind
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Matters not to me I will grab a Win Phone 8 device when they are available and either slide my L900 in a drawer or put it on ebay, as will most others who want the latest
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Exactly - to be the latest and greatest at all times, you need to be ready to shell out the cash. I'll be looking at the 1st gen WP8 devices, but I'm pretty sure I'll be picking up a slate/tablet this time around as my iToy err iPad (gen 1) is gathering dust due to uselessness and lag (should have NEVER added the latest OS patch =/).
I'm already looking towards WP8 Gen II devices :angel:

Actually I am a little fuzzy about the OTA update thing. When they were talking about that, were they referring to future WP8 devices, or legacy devices as well. Same goes for the 18 month support promise. Moving forward, or including legacy devices.
If a WP7.8 OTA update is planned, do devices already have that capability, or do we need a "plug in" update to enable it?
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jimski said:
Actually I am a little fuzzy about the OTA update thing. When they were talking about that, were they referring to future WP8 devices, or legacy devices as well. Same goes for the 18 month support promise. Moving forward, or including legacy devices.
If a WP7.8 OTA update is planned, do devices already have that capability, or do we need a "plug in" update to enable it?
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Well, I'm going off of some articles I read about the WP 7.8 update, including what Paul Thurrott said. However, I can't seem to find a direct quote from Microsoft. So, we'll just have to wait and see. Nokia said something about 7.8 arriving in the coming weeks, but again, that could have also been in reference to something else (re: exclusive apps and extras).
*shrug* still lots to follow =)

I remember well that only WP8 will receive ota.

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I remember well that only WP8 will receive ota.
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Yes, as a regular feature. But 7.8 was discussed otherwise:
Windows Update. Windows Phone 7.8 will be delivered directly to all Windows Phone users, bypassing the carriers. You will be able to download and install Windows Phone 7.8 over Wi-Fi, at home or wherever else, and install this update. This type of updating will be made available in Windows Phone 8, as well, as given my long, loud, and lengthy complaining about the lack of such updating in Windows Phone 7.x, you won’t be surprised, maybe, to discover that Microsoft jokingly calls this “the Paul Thurrott feature” internally.
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That was the only part I could find, not an official bit from Microsoft themselves. you can see it here: http://www.winsupersite.com/article/windowsphone75/windows-phone-78-preview-143476

So, AT&T customers won't get the 7.8 update until Xmas? Yet another reason not buying devices from the carriers... Alternatively, anyone who doesn't want to wait for AT&T generously allowing him to update - could just flash his device with a non-AT&T ROM - right?

efektos said:
So, AT&T customers won't get the 7.8 update until Xmas? Yet another reason not buying devices from the carriers... Alternatively, anyone who doesn't want to wait for AT&T generously allowing him to update - could just flash his device with a non-AT&T ROM - right?
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So then I suppose you know when everyone else will be receiving WP7.8. What a surprise if AT&T releases it before everybody. They do carry the flagship device after all.
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bigwavesurfer4 said:
oh yeah, since we all have a pile of money laying around to update our phones every six months. prick.
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Was going to say something in response but have decided instead that, thanks to people like surfer dude here, for me xda no longer serves the purpose for me it once did. It was one of the best sources on the for useful, helpful information for phones and tablets, but has become a source of irritation and frustration with very little useful information. There are far too many people who whine and complain without offering anything useful or meaningful to the community as a whole, to the point there is more griping than anything else. That being said, I am outta here and on to find the quality elsewhere. l8r

when they say in the "coming weeks", anybody have any idea of "how many" weeks does in the "coming weeks" refers to? i'm actually using an unbranded unit, so i'm actually looking forward for this update

jimski said:
So then I suppose you know when everyone else will be receiving WP7.8. What a surprise if AT&T releases it before everybody. They do carry the flagship device after all.
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Honestly I didn't know that there's an official release date for WP7.8, but I presume it'll be available before (or at the same time at most) AT&T releases their branded version of the update...