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I was shocked to read this, but it is still up to the carrier to decide whether or not they want to release a windows phone 7 update according to this article.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3982/windows-phone-7-review/26
"Microsoft physically hosts the update, however it is the carrier’s call whether or not to release it to customers Given the ban on UI customizations and the unified hardware support, there should be no technical reason for a carrier to prevent an update from going out. The fact that Microsoft will deliver, with every update, a list of how the carrier’s own validation tests will run should guarantee that any failure to push out said update would be negligence on the carrier’s part. Microsoft went on to say that while it’s possible for a carrier to prevent a Windows Phone update from going out, it doesn’t believe it’s a likely scenario. While Microsoft didn’t say it explicitly, the implication is that Windows Phone won’t have the update issues that have plagued certain Android customers"
The situation is still better than what we get with Android, but the only thing I want my carrier in charge of us my actual wireless service.
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why would carriers deny an update? they are not creating it so they will approve it as long as it doesn't cripples their hardware...
the reason why they don't bother with android or windows mobile is because they need to create that update themselves...re-do the skin etc which costs $$$ so they are ultra slow regarding those OS...
with microsoft doing all the hardwork, carriers need to check whether the update is good for their device or not...
ps - this is why, everyone should buy an unlocked device..
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why would carried deny an update? they are not creating it so they will approve it as long as it doesn't cripples their hardware...
the reason why they don't bother with android or windows mobile is because they need to create that update themselves...re-do the skin etc which costs $$$ so they are ultra slow regarding those OS...
with microsoft doing all the hardwork, carriers need to check whether the update is good for their device or not...
ps - this is why, everyone should buy an unlocked device..
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They would deny it so that to get new features you have to buy a new phone...hmmm not liking this one bit..would sprint do suck a thing?
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They would deny it so that to get new features you have to buy a new phone...hmmm not liking this one bit..would sprint do suck a thing?
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if that happens then microsoft will tell the carriers to get lost...
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if that happens then microsoft will tell the carriers to get lost...
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I hoping the carriers can only stop people from getting it over the air, but not through zune
Quick note - this wasn't a very clear answer in several cases. According to several sources, including Jason Dunn's site, MS will push the OS updates, not the carriers. The carriers will have the option to roll up their updates into the WP updates so there's a common distribution method. Everything I've read recently strongly implies that the carriers will not be in charge of releasing updates. Hope that gives people some hope that we'll get updates in a timely fashion as defined by MS, not the carriers (who have a horrible track record of providing OS updates).
According to Paul Therrott's conversation with MS, Carriers could hold up one and only one update. Not sure why'd they want too, but who knows.....time will tell.
From a recent interview done on Engadget on The Engadget Show, it has been said by Microsoft that they will push updates. Only the user is able to decide whether or not to update.
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I hoping the carriers can only stop people from getting it over the air, but not through zune
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Carriers have no say over updates through zune since it isn't using their network.
Some good stuff coming up but having to wait for Fall is painful. They should have at least one update in the meantime to fix some of the known bugs.
Bummer.
WPCentral Summary of the keynote: http://www.wpcentral.com/wp7-keynote-summarised
Demos from MIX 11 by Channel9: http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Windows-Phone-7/Windows-Phone-7-Announcements--Demos-from-MIX-11-with-Joe-Belfiore
Engadget report with video: http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/13/this-is-windows-phone-next-developers-take-notes-video/
New Chassis unveiled: http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2011/04/14/new-windows-phone-7-chassis-unveiled-msm7x30-and-msm8x55/
Everything anybody has asked for - both user and developer side - were announced with the exception of voice navigation... I feel a lot of things have still been left unannounced... But wow, Joe's presentation was amazing tbh
Yeah I should put my phone in a box and get it out after Mango. I'm just tired of resetting my phone every few weeks to get my tiles and notifications working.
The future looks bright though.
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Peew971 said:
Yeah I should put my phone in a box and get it out after Mango. I'm just tired of resetting my phone every few weeks to get my tiles and notifications working.
The future looks bright though.
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While I understand the frustration... I think that's a bit extreme. I wouldn't worry about it, I doubt it'll take til Mango for a patch
You wanna take that bet? I say no patch before Mango, that's a sure win.
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I think its good that customers air some sense of urgency as it will keep MS on their feet. In business when your customers constantly nag you about your products or services it serves only to direct you towards improving said products. So if anything customers showing an interest in things being made better is good and even more so when they push for deadlines to be met
Is anyone going to consolidate all the WP7 anouncements from MiX11???
Or can someone post a link so other people can see some of the GREAT stuff thats coming to WP7
I was going to do that but I haven't seen a link with everything yet.
One interesting thing I picked up on Ch9Live was someone asked if Devs will get access to Mango on thier phones before its release.
The answer was that they are committed that registered developers with dev unlocked phones will have access to mango. They havent solved it yet, but are absolutly commited to it.
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Yeah I should put my phone in a box and get it out after Mango. I'm just tired of resetting my phone every few weeks to get my tiles and notifications working.
The future looks bright though.
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lol @ resetting phone every few weeks
It's hard to consolidate everything because, frankly, that was a lot of info. And, furthermore, there's a lot to come yet - like it was mentioned briefly that there will be new pickers and choosers, but which ones is to be announced later.
Yeah, I think it will be a while before all the relivent info is pulled togather from MiX11.
I for one am quite excited about what snipits i've read so far with what is coming to WP7.
I used to be an android user back in the 1.6 hero day and saw how android has developed into arguable the biggest and best OS in smartphones.
I genuinly believe WP7 has the potential to challenege RiM, Apple, and Android and with all these great noises coming out from MiX 11 maybe just maybe it could dominate the WWWWWWWWORLD......MMMMMMMWAAAHAHAHAHA.....
One interesting point is that the dev tools for Mango are due to be released next month. In the Q&A session afterwards it was mentioned that a Mango build will be made available for developer-unlocked devices to allow testing of apps with the new SDK.
Microsoft is back on the track,these new features are amasing,very exciting about the conference today by joe belfiore
Good info here...
http://www.readwriteweb.com/mobile/2011/04/Mango-new-version-of-Windows-Phone-arriving-this-fall.php
So 6 months from now to update (Fall there is September, right?). If this is right, I'm assuming that the update is about to arrive at October.
The problem with that, is wait for new APIs. I want Whatsapp!
Ah, btw, nothing was mentioned about Windows Live Messenger. That is sad.
whats this live tiles thjing about? My HTC doesnt have this problem, is it specific mobiles?
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I think its good that customers air some sense of urgency as it will keep MS on their feet. In business when your customers constantly nag you about your products or services it serves only to direct you towards improving said products. So if anything customers showing an interest in things being made better is good and even more so when they push for deadlines to be met
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Despite universal *****ing about the nodo update ballsup, all MSFT has done is post a page that essentially says "coming soon..." with no mention of when "soon" is. So unless we all cancel our contracts, return our devices and stop buying anything remotely connected to MSFT, I doubt we'll see anything more responsive out of Redmond.
Subtle doesn't work on heads that thick. Upside the head with a crowbar might, if it's King Kong doing it.
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Despite universal *****ing about the nodo update ballsup, all MSFT has done is post a page that essentially says "coming soon..." with no mention of when "soon" is. So unless we all cancel our contracts, return our devices and stop buying anything remotely connected to MSFT, I doubt we'll see anything more responsive out of Redmond.
Subtle doesn't work on heads that thick. Upside the head with a crowbar might, if it's King Kong doing it.
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Hehe crow bar to the head of any one operating inefficiently would be my rememdy as well But joking aside, you do have a point in that the "coming soon" or "TBA" or "TDA" of alot of things to do with WP7 is frustrating. I think the only way consumers can ensure MS stays on track and does release any information is to keep asking "when will feature A or B be released" or "when is patch D going to be pushed out" it may be subtle but negative press that is garnered by constant negative exposure does help companies see where they are doing things wrong and where they can fix things.
WP7 after Mango is released and implemented will mark a milestone in its growth. It will no longer have the excuse "we are the new kid on the block and need time to catch up" no, after Mango they have to focus their efforts on improving communication with operators and oems so updates push out better, faster and efficiently, this Pre-Nodo/NoDo fiasco will not look good in 2012 if say the next batch of update (Guava, Tomato or whatever it will called) encounters nodo problems in a post mango age.
So for now let keep those crow bars under the bed and in a few months if no changes then we can make a field trip down to redmond with crow bars in hand Piaqt
Anyone know what phone he was using for showing the gyro api? Was it the htc pro or hd7? Do our phones have gyro sensors built in?
Btw, loved the presentation , the quantas app was brilliant
one sided promise from microsoft (re:updates) is pure fail. all parties should be brought onboard and each held accountable
http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/10/google-partners-with-oems-and-carriers-to-guarantee-android-upda/
Wow, I saw AT&T on the picture, I must relook at it.
It will never happen because all the OEM's and carriers involved seem to want Microsoft and WP7 to fail.
Look at the Zune hardware. My brother had a Zune since Day 1 and he got every update and new release from Microsoft, no problem. I don't think it's a Microsoft issue, I think it's a carrier issue.
Well, that announcement says Android phones will be supported for 18 months. It doesn't say updates will be instant, OEMs won't take weeks to develop ROMs and carriers won't take weeks "testing" them.
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It doesn't say updates will be instant, OEMs won't take weeks to develop ROMs and carriers won't take weeks "testing" them.
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if you read the live update, it says:
"12:34PM New guidelines! Man, this is going to be huge. Google's laying out a timeline for how long it'll take a device to get updated once a new build is let loose, as well as how long it'll be updated beyond that."
Google and Apple are both more powerful and influential in the mobile space than Microsoft right now. I don't think Microsoft is really in the position to dictate anything to anyone right now.
And what exactly are these guidelines? Three days for a new ROM from HTC with a new Sense on it?
I mean, this is great news for Android, but there's nothing so far that says anything real about what the update experience will be.
I know it's trendy to bash MS, but WP7 has seen four updates already. And the last one was cumulative, by the way.
I don't know, I have been receiving my updates when MS release them; other than the first one that took one or two weeks every other have been the same day (but I’m not in USA).
http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/10/google-clarifies-18-month-android-upgrade-program-details-far-f/
When pressed about how long it'd take updates to flow to phones after given the thumbs-up by Google itself, there's no hard news to report. In fact, the details there are still being hashed out.
To quote Google, "It's a logistics problem." We can only imagine. Trying to get every Android partner to follow a timeline for releases has to be a complete and utter nightmare, but the company seems certain that these stipulations won't cripple anyone's ability to innovate on their skins (or have too little time to make the needed changes).
We would've loved to hear a specific figure that we could start holding phone manufacturers to, but alas, it isn't to be. The only hard number thrown out today is 18 months. That's how long future hardware will be in the support cycle (at least, anyway), so you'll "soon" be able to count on your next Android device receiving all applicable updates for 1.5 years after purchase.
The guideline is yet to be hashed out. That's why they practically included everyone in the group to come up with a guide line. The only reason AT&T is included is because AT&T wants to make sure the final guideline doesn't put it in the spotlight again, like must release updates within 6 months of Google release That will never happen. I'm pretty sure the final guide line will be 12-month (from Google release the code and you see it on your phone), i.e. totally worthless and waste of time. Android is an open source platform, Google has no say about who can use the code and when they need to release the updates. The only thing Google can do is withheld Android market support.
And if they take longer than the set time frame? What happens?
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Nothing would happen. It is called guide line, not rules.
Well then, that'll really be a game changer then... /sarcasm
Where is the news in this?
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Well then, that'll really be a game changer then... /sarcasm
Where is the news in this?
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There is none. FWIW MS has "guidelines" on updates as well, i.e. that carriers cannot block two consecutive updates.
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I smell a publicity fail from Google.
Well I have a wp7 and an android phone, I have to say there is no reason the OEMs cannot make their addtions such as the sense UI to be a replacement, that can be removed and updated seperately from the core OS. If they did that then it would allow for quicker updates.
In the past there were almost no updates done to phone other than small ones that were carrier specific (ie settings or patches) but major upgrades did not really happen. I would not be surprised if eventually updates to the phones to start costing money, much like a new version of OS X or a new version of windows does on a PC.
It's not a timeline.
It's just enforcing devices to be supported for 18 months.
It doesn't mean the manufacturers/carriers will have x amount of days after an android update to release said update. They can still release a phone with FroYo, and take 17 months to release gingerbread for that phone.
Also, it depends on whether the device's hardware supports the update and knowing Andorid manufacturers like HTC they'll just put a ROM chip too small to take any major updates in the phone, etc. Your Evo 4.0 can't support Sense 3.0? Good luck getting that update! HTC will not "downgrade" an Evo 4G from Sense 2 to Stock Android...
They are still trying to get the details panned out, but I'm not getting my hopes up. There are still phones out there sending SMS/MMS to the wrong contacts because the manufacturers don't even prioritize security updates for their phones (which, IMO, is a MUCH bigger issues than even large feature updates...). Android is a huge, hot mess when it comes to updates.
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Well I have a wp7 and an android phone, I have to say there is no reason the OEMs cannot make their addtions such as the sense UI to be a replacement, that can be removed and updated seperately from the core OS. If they did that then it would allow for quicker updates.
In the past there were almost no updates done to phone other than small ones that were carrier specific (ie settings or patches) but major upgrades did not really happen. I would not be surprised if eventually updates to the phones to start costing money, much like a new version of OS X or a new version of windows does on a PC.
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Are you a developer?
Those aren't themes. They're deep customizations many of which have access to parts of the system that would require a "normal" app to run with Super User permissions. You can't release much of that as an App in the marketplace... Not to mention, they would just end up getting pirated by everyone and at worse breaking a bunch of phones that weren't designed to run the software (freezing them, reboot loops, making them unbootable, etc.).
There's also the issue of drivers, because different manufacturers use dispirate hardware configurations with screens, SoCs, cameras, etc. from dispirate sources. Getting all of that to work on an update is MUCH harder than getting the skins functional.
You people (generally speaking) really think the skins are the issue? They are not. Android (specifically, Linux) is the issue. The skins are easy as hell. The latest Epic 4G Gingerbread Leak has a working TouchWiz, but most of the phone/smartphone functionality is broken. That's a great example on just how easy porting the skins form version to version is. Skins typically aren't that sensitive to kernal ABI changes - device drivers ARE.
The fact that Android is based on Linux by default ensures that updates will have issues because it inherits many of Linux's issues. A Windows Mobile 6.0 update could in many cases just reuse drivers developed for Windows Mobile 5.0the same way Windows 7 can use many Windows XP drivers without any issues.
Linux doesn't have this type of backward/forward compatibility. That's why those leaked updates often have close to nothing working on them (No Wifi, no calls, no this, no that, etc.). Linux doesn't have a stable ABI for driver developers. Kernel updates can break any and/or everything. This means that the turnaround for updates is much longer than it will be for something like WP7.
The biggest issue with Android is the fact that Manufacturers and Carriers do not even prioritize critical security updates, and Google seems intent on not patching and quickly propagating patches for exploits used to root devices. Which is nice for tinkerers, but can be an issue when a malware uses that exploit on someone's device to perform malicious actions...
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It's not a timeline.
It's just enforcing devices to be supported for 18 months.
It doesn't mean the manufacturers/carriers will have x amount of days after an android update to release said update. They can still release a phone with FroYo, and take 17 months to release gingerbread for that phone.
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I'm pretty sure they said timely updates. Which means they are going to work out some sort of guidelines on how long it takes for the updates to get pushed out. What that actually is remains to be seen though.
Here we sit knee deep in August hoping that the next update will bridge the gap between our device of choice and other platforms. Currently there are rumors flying about that the platform's salvation comes September 1st in the form of the Mango update. Further down the line their is talk of a Tango update. All of this encouraging considering most of us bought into a product they we can all safetly say was in beta form of what was being promise. While the reviews thus far have been good one can only hope these milestones do not dissapoint. Follow the link below for more. http://www.l337ware.com/
Bro I made a nice informational thread about the release of two Xbox games minesweeper and Sudoku and somebody deleted my thread... And here is your near spam thread with link to a website which links back to a thread on xda forums itself and it stays.
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First off "Mango Tango" sounds utterly cool. Second don't hate. Lastly How many similiar post were there? Because honestly I saw like a grip talking about the free release. Like XDA kinda got bombarded. I wouldn't take it personally. I can delete this post if it would make you feel better.
Note : There were about 400+ people interested enough in the subject material. After reading this if they so decided moved on to the link and which linked an XDA master post about the core unpolished material though not in redundancy to the my original post (along with various other options). I see those numbers on my end and it was significant. Realize my site is a non profit entity which honestly I dont really care if anyone visits but I share stuff with this forum. Do you realize how many duplicate posts I probably just staved off? Also I've been on these forums since the PPC 6600 and did ask the powers that be about establishing a relationship between the two sites.
Awesome ... I don't have a account in other PSA forums orelse I wld share
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Why do people continue to call the WinPhone release a beta? It was in final form for its 1.0 release, it wasn't a beta because it lacked features which got you all upset. Would we all have preferred other features? Of course, but to say it was in beta is ridiculous. I guess iOS and Android are in beta because they don't support Live Messenger or Facebook in their messaging services.
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Why do people continue to call the WinPhone release a beta? It was in final form for its 1.0 release, it wasn't a beta because it lacked features which got you all upset. Would we all have preferred other features? Of course, but to say it was in beta is ridiculous. I guess iOS and Android are in beta because they don't support Live Messenger or Facebook in their messaging services.
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No, we call it a beta because alot ot things are broken and or missing. The OS can't hold up to intensive use and alot of things that were hyped up were never delivered in it's initial release.
Missing? They weren't missing, just weren't part of the 1.0 release
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Missing? They weren't missing, just weren't part of the 1.0 release
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The OS working wasn't part of the 1.0 release. Perfect example the inevitable lock up that would occur requiring reset of the phone after scrolling through the market place with any frequency other than brief. That is one of like a thousand problems not all of which have been addressed even now. Don't get me wrong I'm a Microsoft nut. From gaming console, to PC, to Tablet, and finally to phone but even I have to concede the Q&A on WP7's initial release sucked. It's one of the reasons my wife ditched her HD7 and will probably never come back to the OS.
Bugs do occur in release products, doesn't make it beta... All software in this world is in beta according to your logic.
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There are standards applied to a final release. I'd almost dare saying Windows Phone was alot like Vista at it's release. It lacked the polish of a finished product.
maybe those are hd7 bugs? i never had any issues with v1, nor do my friends have. there is the occasional lock-up that is about once every other month. same as on an iphone for me.
it worked, delivered the promised functionality, and had a good feature set FOR A PHONE. yes, not for the "i actually want everything possible i could do on my laptop, too, and it should make me coffee, too" nerd type. but for the typical PHONE usage (you know, sms, calls, browsing the web a bit, doing some smarter things like mail, people management, dates and stuff), it worked pretty well. now on mango, there's much more, of course. but v1 worked, and it did well. still does for my friends. good enough to not have to pre-update them to mango. they like what they see on my phone, but are happy enough to not bother about pre-updating manually.
tang so slow
im using tango from Unlocked_CustROM_Mozart_Mango_7720.68 by ansar and its so slowly whats is the problem?
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im using tango from Unlocked_CustROM_Mozart_Mango_7720.68 by ansar and its so slowly whats is the problem?
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This thread is in regards to the future windows phone OS update Tango, while I believe you are referring to the video calling software for WP7.5 called Tango.
Basically, wrong thread mate.
Anyone used it?
http://wmpoweruser.com/samsung-omnia-7-mango-flashing-tool-available/
if i understand, this is SIM unlock...
dxdy said:
if i understand, this is SIM unlock...
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This is SIM unlock on the video, they promise to release a proper Mango flashing tool once they get 1000 followers.
http://twitter.com/#!/SamFirmware/status/110454816890818560/photo/1
dont know but dont belive him... hope i was wrong
It's out!
https://twitter.com/#!/SFUnlock
It was already out before they uploaded it their website...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1249329
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It was already out before they uploaded it their website...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1249329
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Yeah I've seen that thread. From the comments it's a branded ROM so I'll pass. It's a shame Microsoft is taking so long, I thought they would have made to sure to have it out before Apple announces the iPhone 5.
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It's a shame Microsoft is taking so long, I thought they would have made to sure to have it out before Apple announces the iPhone 5.
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It's not MS, it's the OEM's. Mango is already RTM aka Released to Manufacturers.
Manufacturers = OEM's = HTC/LG/Samsung/Dell/Nokia/Etc.
drkfngthdragnlrd said:
It's not MS, it's the OEM's. Mango is already RTM aka Released to Manufacturers.
Manufacturers = OEM's = HTC/LG/Samsung/Dell/Nokia/Etc.
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What do you mean it's the OEM's? I'm talking about releasing the update to existing phones, the green light is up to Microsoft isn't it? At least for unlocked/unbranded phones it might be.
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What do you mean it's the OEM's? I'm talking about releasing the update to existing phones, the green light is up to Microsoft isn't it? At least for unlocked/unbranded phones it might be.
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MS released it to OEM's. MS has officially stated it is now in their hands.
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What do you mean it's the OEM's? I'm talking about releasing the update to existing phones, the green light is up to Microsoft isn't it? At least for unlocked/unbranded phones it might be.
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Even unlocked/unbranded phones need to have hardware-specific updates from the OEMs completed before Microsoft releases the official update.
Yeah I know that but evidently some updates are ready (Omnia 7 for instance, we also heard the HTC ones might be done). There would be no harm in releasing these, it would at least ensure deployment is gradual.
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Yeah I know that but evidently some updates are ready (Omnia 7 for instance, we also heard the HTC ones might be done). There would be no harm in releasing these, it would at least ensure deployment is gradual.
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Here's what happens. MS RTM's Mango. OEM's than test & make their customizations. OEM's submit this back to MS to verify. MS verifies their updates to meet quality of end user experience. MS than signs the update with a security certificate & puts the update on their server. If the OEM changes cause problems/bugs, it's returned to the OEM to be fixed. The end of the story is it's up to the OEM to make their updates/changes/customizations in a timely manor & without major/noticeable problems.
Like I said I know how the system works but surely Microsoft is/would hold back on ready updates to release them all at the same time. As evidence, the Omnia 7 update is ready, would have been nice to have it out straightaway.
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Like I said I know how the system works but surely Microsoft is/would hold back on ready updates to release them all at the same time. As evidence, the Omnia 7 update is ready, would have been nice to have it out straightaway.
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I'd doubt they're holding it back. Please give the source of this rumor.
EDIT: The only thing I'm seeing is there's a firmware update for the Omnia 7 to make it "Mango Ready" & fix some bugs. Considering this & all the issues Samsung WP7 devices have had with their Firmware, I highly doubt they have Mango ready & if they do, it'll probably fail the quality control check. Isn't there still Focus v1.3(?) users who still don't have NoDo?
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Isn't there still Focus v1.3(?) users who still don't have NoDo?
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All Focus users are (finally) able to receive NoDo. However, Focus 1.3 users still have not received the 7392 security update, despite it being available to every other WP7 device for four months.
Regarding the Omnia 7 rumor, if the update were officially ready, it would appear on the "Where is my phone update page". There is a separate section for "open market phones". Since nothing appears there (in fact, there is no Mango column at all yet), I think it is safe to assume that the update isn't ready.
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All Focus users are (finally) able to receive NoDo. However, Focus 1.3 users still have not received the 7392 security update, despite it being available to every other WP7 device for four months.
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Ah, okay, thanks for the clarification. I knew I heard something about them not receiving an update.
Looks like I was right regarding Microsoft holding back the Mango update, that seems so obvious to me as we know the HTC updates are ready, they were leaked. The Samsung ones are probably ready too. Now this info comes out from Vodafone Australia, they're done testing the update and are waiting on Microsoft to deliver it:
http://www.wpcentral.com/vodafone-austrailia-finishes-mango-testing-awaiting-green-light?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+wmexperts+%28wpcentral%29&utm_content=Google+Reader
drkfngthdragnlrd said:
Here's what happens. MS RTM's Mango. OEM's than test & make their customizations. OEM's submit this back to MS to verify. MS verifies their updates to meet quality of end user experience. MS than signs the update with a security certificate & puts the update on their server. If the OEM changes cause problems/bugs, it's returned to the OEM to be fixed. The end of the story is it's up to the OEM to make their updates/changes/customizations in a timely manor & without major/noticeable problems.
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HTC already said their Mango ROMs are ready to go. So his question was valid. Why aren't the unlocked/unbranded HTC phones getting Mango, yet?
Peew971 said:
Looks like I was right regarding Microsoft holding back the Mango update, that seems so obvious to me as we know the HTC updates are ready, they were leaked. The Samsung ones are probably ready too. Now this info comes out from Vodafone Australia, they're done testing the update and are waiting on Microsoft to deliver it:
http://www.wpcentral.com/vodafone-austrailia-finishes-mango-testing-awaiting-green-light?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+wmexperts+%28wpcentral%29&utm_content=Google+Reader
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That is what I've been saying as well. I believe they have been waiting until everyone is ready (or at least the big players) before announcing the update, in order to avoid the bad press that the NoDo fiasco brought.
HTC and Samsung are both ready (the combination of leaked ROMs and Mango updates to their marketplace apps supports this idea). Now we know that Vodafone is ready, and it wouldn't surprise me if (gasp!) AT&T is also ready, after reading their press release from Monday. So the question is, what about the rest of the carriers and current handset makers? And is there any reason they would hold back until Nokia announces their new offerings?