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One app that you should avoid

I recently tried the Graphic ly comic reader app in the Windows Phone Marketplace. Hoping to find a comic reader as good as droid comic viewer I found myself very very disappointed. The controls are shoddy, pinch to zoom is flakey and you have to zoom all the way out to turn the page. This is a far cry from the original video that was shown to consumers.
I understand that newly released products are no always perfect so I figured I would share my concerns with the developer. Their response was shocking and disappointing.
We would like to improve our WP7 app much more in the future, but I
will be straight with you: due to the low sales of the windows 7
phones we have put the improvement of the app lower on our priority
list than the continual improvement of our other apps.
In the meantime: please check out our adobe air application and our
new web application at:*http://graphicly.com/
Any comics that you buy in any of our applications can be read on any
of our other applications. *Your graphicly login should work on any of
them.
Thanks
-******
graphicly
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Now I know business is business but to release a bad product in the first place is unacceptable especially when the app merely needs some tuning. Due to the lack of planned future support I can only suggest that you guys stay away. Here is hoping that robot comics releases one on WinPho 7.

That is such a load of happy horse****. There are many apps where the developers are frequently updating and providing excellent communications between themselves and the users.
When WP7 takes off - and it will - I hope that many others are aware of the developer's attitude and shut them out. Let the money go to another comic app.

I was very dissapointed with the graphic.ly app, especially compared to what we've seen before. This attitude isn't going to get them any customers. If they're not going to put any effort in the phone app, I don't see any point in buying comics from them or getting their adobe air app.

Shame, i was hovering over it recently....
Thanks for the heads up. I like to stay away from those types of attitudes of devs and updates/support. "EA ruined a good brand after Westwood"
If it's not important enough for them, guess it's not important enough for me to use.

bernaserra said:
I recently tried the Graphic ly comic reader app in the Windows Phone Marketplace. Hoping to find a comic reader as good as droid comic viewer I found myself very very disappointed. The controls are shoddy, pinch to zoom is flakey and you have to zoom all the way out to turn the page. This is a far cry from the original video that was shown to consumers.
I understand that newly released products are no always perfect so I figured I would share my concerns with the developer. Their response was shocking and disappointing.
Now I know business is business but to release a bad product in the first place is unacceptable especially when the app merely needs some tuning. Due to the lack of planned future support I can only suggest that you guys stay away. Here is hoping that robot comics releases one on WinPho 7.
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That's depressing. Low WP7 sales volume not good. Hopefully this app dev is just a WP7 hater.

Considering that, at least in the US, folk generally wait until their account is due for a subsidized upgrade before getting a new phone (mine just happened to drop in late November ), it makes sense that sales for WP7 haven't exploded yet. I could see holding off on making an app until WP7 grows in market share, but to release a shoddy app, charge for it, and then not support it just because it's not a cash cow yet is simply horrid customer relations. Seeing as the potential dollar is apparently all that matters to these jokers, I'll be sure and speak with my wallet, and mark this one off of the potential to-buy list.

Hilarious. TBQH.
SWYPED from my SUPASONIC

Due to the low sales of Windows Phone 7 ???
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How would they know this when no one else seems to have this info yet? Perhaps they are basing it on the low sales of their crappy app?

iirc i read some developers are complaining because they have no way to know how much they are selling, and microsoft will start paying in february... so how does this guy know that they are not doing ok?
i call bul****

installed it just to rate it poorly and uninstall it. If you are not going to support your work then don't release it in the marketplace.
OP, I would forward that email to MS support so they know the dev isn't willing to support their app.

nrfitchett4 said:
installed it just to rate it poorly and uninstall it. If you are not going to support your work then don't release it in the marketplace.
OP, I would forward that email to MS support so they know the dev isn't willing to support their app.
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I concur. That's a damn good idea.

WhyBe said:
How would they know this when no one else seems to have this info yet? Perhaps they are basing it on the low sales of their crappy app?
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Exactly what I was going to post.
Lol.
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On a more positive note, I have contacted Robot Comics, the developer of Droid comic viewer from android. I used thier app right before I went to WP7 and it was very intuitive and easy to use in portrait and landscape. It also supported locally added comics.
After emailing I recieved some very good news.
Thanks Jose! Good news: a WP7 version is in our roadmap.
Best,
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ROBOT COMICS
Comics for Android, iPhone/iPod touch, iPad, Kindle & more
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I am not trying to come across as anyone of importance but I love WP7 and would personally like to see it succeed so I figured the best I can do is let the developers know that they have a potential customer. Also does anyone know how I can get in contact with MS support?

bernaserra said:
On a more positive note, I have contacted Robot Comics, the developer of Droid comic viewer from android. I used thier app right before I went to WP7 and it was very intuitive and easy to use in portrait and landscape. It also supported locally added comics.
After emailing I recieved some very good news.
I am not trying to come across as anyone of importance but I love WP7 and would personally like to see it succeed so I figured the best I can do is let the developers know that they have a potential customer. Also does anyone know how I can get in contact with MS support?
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http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/windowsphone7/threads
Alex

Sorry about that message from Graphicly - it was wrong.
Hi,
Im Micah, CEO of Graphicly. I am unsure of who would provide you that message, that we are not supporting the Win7 Phone application, but it is wrong.
We continue to develop and maintain the applications that our community desire.
The WP7 app that we put out was our v1. We are working to improve the reading experience and other aspects of the application, as we know its it not perfect yet.
Of the applications we have, our Adobe AIR application has been around the longest and has the most development hours into it.
As the WP7 phone continues to grow, we will continue to develop against it.
If you have any questions, or want to discuss this further, I can be reached directly at 720-248-8499 or via email at [email protected] (GTALK too).
Again, I apologize for the confusion, I will make sure that everyone on the Graphicly team understands our product roadmap.
micah

micahb said:
Hi,
Im Micah, CEO of Graphicly. I am unsure of who would provide you that message, that we are not supporting the Win7 Phone application, but it is wrong.
We continue to develop and maintain the applications that our community desire.
The WP7 app that we put out was our v1. We are working to improve the reading experience and other aspects of the application, as we know its it not perfect yet.
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Hopefully someone from XDA can validate, but if this is indeed true I thank you for clearing things up Its nice to see brands out there connecting with their customer and stepping up to the bat like this.
Hopefully we'll see the app improved! You could always open it up on CodePlex and let XDA hackers have at it!

It is indeed me - How would you like to verify it? I can give you my mom's phone number... How about this - we have promo codes enabled in the AIR app. Use "techcrunch" (no quotes) and get a free comic. We used it for an old techcrunch article, and I think its still alive. Then when you use the WP7 phone, it will be in there, and you can give me solid feedback on the mistakes we made.
Tell me more about CodePlex. I would be happy to let the community at it. We are doing something similar with our Win7 app. Building out APIs that are secure and can be built on is a personal passion of mine.
micah

micahb said:
Hi,
Im Micah, CEO of Graphicly. I am unsure of who would provide you that message, that we are not supporting the Win7 Phone application, but it is wrong.
We continue to develop and maintain the applications that our community desire.
The WP7 app that we put out was our v1. We are working to improve the reading experience and other aspects of the application, as we know its it not perfect yet.
Of the applications we have, our Adobe AIR application has been around the longest and has the most development hours into it.
As the WP7 phone continues to grow, we will continue to develop against it.
If you have any questions, or want to discuss this further, I can be reached directly at 720-248-8499 or via email at [email protected] (GTALK too).
Again, I apologize for the confusion, I will make sure that everyone on the Graphicly team understands our product roadmap.
micah
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I did not want to post the name but originally I wrote the email in reply to the email I received about you guys releasing a Google web app to this emai "[email protected]"
I received a reply back from a Audrey Zarr stating what I posted. I sent her a polite email expressing my dismay with that type of business attitude and never got a reply back. I certainly wasn't trying to slander your company but knew it would be best to share this info on the web.
I understand that this is a v1 app and I would have been perfectly happy with a "we are working to improve this app" type of answer. Instead I was given the previously posted information. Currently your app is sitting at 1 star, I would hope you guys would want to improve that. Best of luck on your next release.

yeah... [email protected] is the reply email on our newsletter. Audrey is one of our engineers, and is tasked with answering questions about bugs, issues, feature requests, etc.
Your question is quite valid, and in some ways, her response (we are a small company, and we have to focus on the products our community want) is correct. Except the part about us abandoning development on the WP7 app.
A couple of other points (really just FYI). The video from the MIX conference was a proof of concept. We were asked to show off what Deep Zoom would look like in our reader, and so we did. As the months passed and the WP7 software progressed, it became clear that we wouldnt be able to have deep zoom on the finished app.
Other issues: The dev phone we had was a samsung, which is not even one of the release phones. It made things like having pinch/zoom work properly really tough.
So, do we want to make the app better? Of course we do. We want all of our apps to be solid and work at a high level. I believe that the WP7 platform has potential.

micahb said:
yeah... [email protected] is the reply email on our newsletter. Audrey is one of our engineers, and is tasked with answering questions about bugs, issues, feature requests, etc.
Your question is quite valid, and in some ways, her response (we are a small company, and we have to focus on the products our community want) is correct. Except the part about us abandoning development on the WP7 app.
A couple of other points (really just FYI). The video from the MIX conference was a proof of concept. We were asked to show off what Deep Zoom would look like in our reader, and so we did. As the months passed and the WP7 software progressed, it became clear that we wouldnt be able to have deep zoom on the finished app.
Other issues: The dev phone we had was a samsung, which is not even one of the release phones. It made things like having pinch/zoom work properly really tough.
So, do we want to make the app better? Of course we do. We want all of our apps to be solid and work at a high level. I believe that the WP7 platform has potential.
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I understand that there were time constraints but phone operating systems as of recent seems to lean on their marketplace for success. A bunch of half baked apps won't appeal to anyone.(see palm) That was my main reason for reaching out. I also understand focusing on what the market wants, Microsoft has deep pockets and this OS will eventually be pretty successful. I will spend my money and time on apps that were well made and supported from the get go. As a vendor of comics I am sure your business relies on repeat business.

MIX'11 Official Announcements

Some good stuff coming up but having to wait for Fall is painful. They should have at least one update in the meantime to fix some of the known bugs.
Bummer.
WPCentral Summary of the keynote: http://www.wpcentral.com/wp7-keynote-summarised
Demos from MIX 11 by Channel9: http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Windows-Phone-7/Windows-Phone-7-Announcements--Demos-from-MIX-11-with-Joe-Belfiore
Engadget report with video: http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/13/this-is-windows-phone-next-developers-take-notes-video/
New Chassis unveiled: http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2011/04/14/new-windows-phone-7-chassis-unveiled-msm7x30-and-msm8x55/

Everything anybody has asked for - both user and developer side - were announced with the exception of voice navigation... I feel a lot of things have still been left unannounced... But wow, Joe's presentation was amazing tbh

Yeah I should put my phone in a box and get it out after Mango. I'm just tired of resetting my phone every few weeks to get my tiles and notifications working.
The future looks bright though.
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Peew971 said:
Yeah I should put my phone in a box and get it out after Mango. I'm just tired of resetting my phone every few weeks to get my tiles and notifications working.
The future looks bright though.
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While I understand the frustration... I think that's a bit extreme. I wouldn't worry about it, I doubt it'll take til Mango for a patch

You wanna take that bet? I say no patch before Mango, that's a sure win.
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I think its good that customers air some sense of urgency as it will keep MS on their feet. In business when your customers constantly nag you about your products or services it serves only to direct you towards improving said products. So if anything customers showing an interest in things being made better is good and even more so when they push for deadlines to be met

Is anyone going to consolidate all the WP7 anouncements from MiX11???
Or can someone post a link so other people can see some of the GREAT stuff thats coming to WP7

I was going to do that but I haven't seen a link with everything yet.

One interesting thing I picked up on Ch9Live was someone asked if Devs will get access to Mango on thier phones before its release.
The answer was that they are committed that registered developers with dev unlocked phones will have access to mango. They havent solved it yet, but are absolutly commited to it.

Peew971 said:
Yeah I should put my phone in a box and get it out after Mango. I'm just tired of resetting my phone every few weeks to get my tiles and notifications working.
The future looks bright though.
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lol @ resetting phone every few weeks

It's hard to consolidate everything because, frankly, that was a lot of info. And, furthermore, there's a lot to come yet - like it was mentioned briefly that there will be new pickers and choosers, but which ones is to be announced later.

Yeah, I think it will be a while before all the relivent info is pulled togather from MiX11.
I for one am quite excited about what snipits i've read so far with what is coming to WP7.
I used to be an android user back in the 1.6 hero day and saw how android has developed into arguable the biggest and best OS in smartphones.
I genuinly believe WP7 has the potential to challenege RiM, Apple, and Android and with all these great noises coming out from MiX 11 maybe just maybe it could dominate the WWWWWWWWORLD......MMMMMMMWAAAHAHAHAHA.....

One interesting point is that the dev tools for Mango are due to be released next month. In the Q&A session afterwards it was mentioned that a Mango build will be made available for developer-unlocked devices to allow testing of apps with the new SDK.

Microsoft is back on the track,these new features are amasing,very exciting about the conference today by joe belfiore

Good info here...
http://www.readwriteweb.com/mobile/2011/04/Mango-new-version-of-Windows-Phone-arriving-this-fall.php

So 6 months from now to update (Fall there is September, right?). If this is right, I'm assuming that the update is about to arrive at October.
The problem with that, is wait for new APIs. I want Whatsapp!
Ah, btw, nothing was mentioned about Windows Live Messenger. That is sad.

whats this live tiles thjing about? My HTC doesnt have this problem, is it specific mobiles?

spliffmonkey187 said:
I think its good that customers air some sense of urgency as it will keep MS on their feet. In business when your customers constantly nag you about your products or services it serves only to direct you towards improving said products. So if anything customers showing an interest in things being made better is good and even more so when they push for deadlines to be met
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Despite universal *****ing about the nodo update ballsup, all MSFT has done is post a page that essentially says "coming soon..." with no mention of when "soon" is. So unless we all cancel our contracts, return our devices and stop buying anything remotely connected to MSFT, I doubt we'll see anything more responsive out of Redmond.
Subtle doesn't work on heads that thick. Upside the head with a crowbar might, if it's King Kong doing it.

piaqt said:
Despite universal *****ing about the nodo update ballsup, all MSFT has done is post a page that essentially says "coming soon..." with no mention of when "soon" is. So unless we all cancel our contracts, return our devices and stop buying anything remotely connected to MSFT, I doubt we'll see anything more responsive out of Redmond.
Subtle doesn't work on heads that thick. Upside the head with a crowbar might, if it's King Kong doing it.
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Hehe crow bar to the head of any one operating inefficiently would be my rememdy as well But joking aside, you do have a point in that the "coming soon" or "TBA" or "TDA" of alot of things to do with WP7 is frustrating. I think the only way consumers can ensure MS stays on track and does release any information is to keep asking "when will feature A or B be released" or "when is patch D going to be pushed out" it may be subtle but negative press that is garnered by constant negative exposure does help companies see where they are doing things wrong and where they can fix things.
WP7 after Mango is released and implemented will mark a milestone in its growth. It will no longer have the excuse "we are the new kid on the block and need time to catch up" no, after Mango they have to focus their efforts on improving communication with operators and oems so updates push out better, faster and efficiently, this Pre-Nodo/NoDo fiasco will not look good in 2012 if say the next batch of update (Guava, Tomato or whatever it will called) encounters nodo problems in a post mango age.
So for now let keep those crow bars under the bed and in a few months if no changes then we can make a field trip down to redmond with crow bars in hand Piaqt

Anyone know what phone he was using for showing the gyro api? Was it the htc pro or hd7? Do our phones have gyro sensors built in?
Btw, loved the presentation , the quantas app was brilliant

[Confirmed!] pre-release Mango for developers coming today!?

Hey fellow WP7 users,
first of all, it's pure speculation, but that's what Bill Cox, Senior Director, Communications - Windows Phone Division at Microsoft tweeted a few minutes ago:
Big day for Windows Phone: Angry Birds, Epicurious, Eventful, Dictionary.com, Kik, GoWalla. And a juicy surprise for tomorrow...
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Juicy surprise? Now if a Mango ain't juicy, what else is?
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updated post. See the related blog article with instructions on how to get your developer mango pre-release right now.

Would be nice! =D. Might just be a juicy app or more announcements about o.s features...
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Nice catch! Crossing my fingers for epic stuff tomorrow!

Where is the tweet? I wanna see it with my own eyes!

mikeeam said:
Where is the tweet? I wanna see it with my own eyes!
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Here you go.. Don't know how to link it though, sorry.

I'm relieved that the surprise is not Angry Birds. Hate this game.
Hope it's mango for developers! Mango hardwares wouldn't help me either.
And thanks for the image.. not that I didn't believe, is just nice to see from your own eyes (;

i would just love if anyone would find a way to make it possible to somehow port this beta for all xda users

I spent a couple of minutes thinking about it. Would it make sense to promise a huge surprise and then reveal it to be the awaited developer pre-release of mango? This would definitely leave all non-developers behind and thus disappoint a lot of users out there. So I think the surprise will be something else. Or maybe they decided to make the pre-release available for all.

dkp1977 said:
I spent a couple of minutes thinking about it. Would it make sense to promise a huge surprise and then reveal it to be the awaited developer pre-release of mango? This would definitely leave all non-developers behind and thus disappoint a lot of users out there. So I think the surprise will be something else. Or maybe they decided to make the pre-release available for all.
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yeah but the question is which devs get it? student and pay devs or just paid devs? that's the question
I mean its a great week for microsoft. They're stepping their game up because of
DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS

Because it's a tweet from Bill Cox and not Brandon Watson I would think it's something for everyone rather than just developers. Something people have been asking for for a long time that's finally making it to WP7. I personally keep my fingers crossed for WLM as they could have it both integrated to the OS and with its own app like facebook and twitter.
All in all I don't think it's the Mango beta but rather something the average user will enjoy.

Maybe Skype?

That's what Neowin has to contribute on the topic.

or maybe for the first time MS will announce that mango will be out in july insted of fall....
first time before the scheduled date...

freudator said:
Maybe Skype?
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no way,because skype with what? all the currently devices don't have front facing camera...

I may over interprete his statement, but Mr. Cox explicitly said juicy surprise. So if they are not going to announce Fruit Ninja 2 or something similar, I have no idea what besides Mango they could mean.

Interpretation
1) i hope. they release mango for all. this would be the perfect surprise like steve jobs when he is shows a new iphone in the end of a presantation a new iphone.
2) they release mango earlyer. the pre versions in the videos are very smooth.
3) they release mango to the developers
or only juiced ninja would be free for a day.....
time will tell

Well, it's not speculation anymore. See this.

Get the 7.1 beta 2 dev tools that allow Mango deployment here:
http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=en&id=26648
Note, you need to be a registered AppHub developer to put Mango on your retail phone.
EDIT: You MUST uninstall the 7.1 beta 1 dev tools before installing beta 2. This just took me around 20 minutes on a Core 2 Duo, so carry on reading more juicy Mango info while that's happening

It's awesome! Omg, cant wait to taste Mango!
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Wait wait.. just noticed that now.. retail device?
So it will not work with my unlocked Trophy 7?!

I meant normal phones (carrier locked/unbranded/unlocked).
AFAIK there's nothing in the release notes or the blog post that suggests unlocked devices won't be compatible with this build

I Miss You Guys.

The new hardware needed to come out months ago.

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The new hardware needed to come out months ago.
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You know, I felt the same way and got rid of my Samsung Focus back in March. A couple weeks ago, I decided to give the HTC HD7S a try. I did this in part because I received the Mango Beta 2 invite.
I love this device. The missing front camera, on the WP7 platform, is of no consequence to me. It will be at least another 12 months before this functionality really matters. Hopefully by then, a real standard for video chat will emerge.
I am very happy to have come back to WP7 and the apps have been coming in at a good rate. The only app I wish WP7 would get is Words With Friends. I am somewhat addicted to it. Luckily, I have an iPhone for work and an Acer Iconia Tablet so I get my fix on either of those devices.
I cannot discuss Mango features because of the NDA I signed, but there are plenty of discussions to follow here on XDA. I will say, the Mango update is what is going to keep me on this platform.

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I did this in part because I received the Mango Beta 2 invite.
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I cannot discuss Mango features because of the NDA I signed
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WTF? What NDA you signed that you "can't discuss Mango features"? A lot of web blogs/forums (including XDA!) are already discussing Mango features. It's free info

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WTF? What NDA you signed that you "can't discuss Mango features"? A lot of web blogs/forums (including XDA!) are already discussing Mango features. It's free info
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I obtained Mango through official channels. So, just because others are talking about it and it's features doesn't mean I should ignore the agreement I signed. Whether or not it will cause me problems is irrelevent. Everything I have seen on the web has been by people who obtained Mango unofficially.
You should have noticed that I said there was plenty of information on the beta features already posted on XDA.
This is off-topic from this thread anyway. I have principles that I live by, and abiding by an agreement is one of them. If Microsoft were to post that it is ok to discuss the beta software publicly, then it would be ok for me to discuss it.

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I obtained Mango through official channels.
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Complete BS! XDA have a bunch WP7 developers who obtained the Mango update through official channels Did you read NDA properly? More - where are lot of MS employee blogs on the web who's already discussing Mango's features, providing a source code etc. etc.
You know, man, you just trying to looks more than you really are (like an MS subcontractor who's got some parts of WP7 source code ). I have a business contacts with the real Microsoft WP7 developers - not a tech-support but PM's and devs who really wrote a code but these guys never said "NDA" word, just keep silence about unannounced features.
P.S. And, of course, all XDA devs will be terribly upset about the lack of your comments!

sensboston said:
Complete BS! XDA have a bunch WP7 developers who obtained the Mango update through official channels Did you read NDA properly? More - where are lot of MS employee blogs on the web who's already discussing Mango's features, providing a source code etc. etc.
You know, man, you just trying to looks more than you really are (like an MS subcontractor who's got some parts of WP7 source code ). I have a business contacts with the real Microsoft WP7 developers - not a tech-support but PM's and devs who really wrote a code but these guys never said "NDA" word, just keep silence about unannounced features.
P.S. And, of course, all XDA devs will be terribly upset about the lack of your comments!
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I have no idea what you are going on about. I could care less what you think. I would suggest disengaging in this childish behavior. Here are the confidentiality terms (straight from the "Acceptance Conditions" for the beta):
microsoft said:
(c) Confidentiality. The Windows Phone (including the software embedded on the Windows Phone and associated services) and any other Deliverables are confidential to Microsoft, its licensors and its suppliers. Please see Section 7 below for requirements pertaining to Confidential Information (as defined below in Section 7).
7. Confidentiality
(a) Confidential Information.All Deliverables, including their existence and features, are proprietary and confidential to Microsoft, its licensors and its suppliers (“Confidential Information”).
(1) Use. You may not disclose Confidential Information or your opinion of the Confidential Information to third parties. You may disclose Confidential Information only to your employees or contractors who need to know the information. You must have written agreements with them which are substantially similar to the terms of this Agreement. You agree to be responsible for the actions of your contractors and any breach of this Agreement by your contractors will be deemed a breach by you.
(2) Exclusions. You may disclose Confidential Information in response to a judicial or governmental order. You must first give written notice to Microsoft to allow it to seek a protective order or otherwise protect the information. Confidential Information does not include information that
• becomes publicly known through no wrongful act;
• you received from a third party who did not breach confidentiality obligations to Microsoft, its licensors or its suppliers; or
• you developed independently.
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So, since I am not a lawyer, and presumably neither are you, I do not know at what point a feature of the software is no longer considered confidential. As such, I choose not to talk about it. If you have a problem understanding this logic, it is not my problem and there is absolutely no need for your condescending attitude about it.
Finally, NDA is just a term used to describe confidentiality. Non-Disclosure is confidentiality.

naplesbill said:
I have no idea what you are going on about. I could care less what you think. I would suggest disengaging in this childish behavior. Here are the confidentiality terms (straight from the "Acceptance Conditions" for the beta):
So, since I am not a lawyer, and presumably neither are you, I do not know at what point a feature of the software is no longer considered confidential. As such, I choose not to talk about it. If you have a problem understanding this logic, it is not my problem and there is absolutely no need for your condescending attitude about it.
Finally, NDA is just a term used to describe confidentiality. Non-Disclosure is confidentiality.
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Well said. The larger point I was trying to make is that despite my SGS2 I miss WP7. It's unique. I just want them to hurry up with the new hardware.

bmstrong said:
Well said. The larger point I was trying to make is that despite my SGS2 I miss WP7. It's unique. I just want them to hurry up with the new hardware.
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I was using the Motorla Atrix, and I actually liked the hardware and docking options. The problem for me is that I get very frustrated with Android and it's inconsistencies. With the hardware in the Atrix you would expect perfectly fluid UI transitions. The reality is that sometimes it still gets jittery.
With that in mind, I decided to give the HD7S a try and I truly enjoy this device much more than any other phone I have had. It really doesn't matter how many cores and how much memory a device has. What matters to me is how efficiently and effectively the device performs when using it.
Also, nothing personal but, I have put Samsung at the bottom of my list of devices. I have had the Captivate, Fascinate (work phone), and the Focus. None of them had adequate GPS performance and both the Android versions barely, if ever, had GPS signals at all. The Focus was also erratic but at least it had a signal more than it didn't. It just seems like Samsung doesn't care about GPS.
How is the SGS2 GPS? Have they finally provided a working GPS? I will see where devices stand after the Holidays. I will keep using the HD7S until then.

Has anyone tried the htc arrive? I was thinking about getting this phone, switching from android. And now that mango can be put on it, I think it sound pretty good.

The good thing about WP7 is when you get it you feel to give it away for lacking lots of features. Once you use it and read about the future updates, you become passionate towards it.
I have trophy which I bought for 600$. I feel now it was worthy to be bought.
Sent from my 7 Trophy using XDA Windows Phone 7 App

bricky23 said:
Has anyone tried the htc arrive? I was thinking about getting this phone, switching from android. And now that mango can be put on it, I think it sound pretty good.
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Yep I've got it on monday, but it is the european version called 7 Pro, it differs only in having other network frequencys. It is a bit thick(15mm ~ 0,59") and quite heavy(185g) but very well built and the keyboard is really superb. Battery life is also quite good because it has a 1500mAh battery. Camera takes decent pics.

I miss my Omnia 7.
I went crazy happy that Samsung finally found a fix for the call issue and network problems. I went equally frustrated when it turned out there not using HTC standards, and forced to send my phone in for the firmware update :-( I love my Omnia 7, thruly a masterpice, but Samsung just had to be stupid, it amazes me that a company can screw things up this bad and still be in the game.
ATM stuck with a Galaxy Spica with Android till there finished and i still aftet all years find Android lacking, lagging and being a mystery for why so many love it.
Anyways, will have to endure, and a company doing service is gonna test that endurance. It's hard to grasp that 1 single device can be so importent, and so. ... amazing. Metro makes all other OS obsolete, its a new and better way to interact with all increasing data out there. Sure, all phones can have tons of apps and in the end execute tge same feat more or less. But QP is changing how, and its a pleasure being a part of this journey.
The best part for all of us that use one phone, and only could afford 1, getting it early, and aftet 6 months we get a patch basicly giving us a new phone and prolonging life for all first WP owners. I think to few have given it a thought that these first wave devices will have a unussual long life spann.
Well, enough of my rant, and if i stop posting on XDA i have died from missing my phone.

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I obtained Mango through official channels. So, just because others are talking about it and it's features doesn't mean I should ignore the agreement I signed. Whether or not it will cause me problems is irrelevent. Everything I have seen on the web has been by people who obtained Mango unofficially.
You should have noticed that I said there was plenty of information on the beta features already posted on XDA.
This is off-topic from this thread anyway. I have principles that I live by, and abiding by an agreement is one of them. If Microsoft were to post that it is ok to discuss the beta software publicly, then it would be ok for me to discuss it.
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You are right, I really admire your principles and is a good example that you are stating here (at least to me) please see my atrix NDA thread if you share this XDA can be in problems and obviously you.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1056714
Let's get back on topic.

Microsoft officially closes deal on Skype...but where is the WP7 Skype App?

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2394671,00.asp
So how is it possible for Microsoft to have now owned Skype but other platforms have the app and we WP7 users don't have it yet? Does anyone know when this will be released for WP7.5?

Seriously, the deal just closed today. It will come.

vetvito said:
Seriously, the deal just closed today. It will come.
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Thought it was coming even if they didnt buy Skype. Or Skype is just coming because MS bought it?
Everyone knows that it will come. The problem is WHEN it will come. Not blaming anyone, I knew it when I bough this phone which has no apps, but I'm tired of waiting.

They only said skype was coming before the end of the year. So hopefully we'll get it before then.

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Thought it was coming even if they didnt buy Skype. Or Skype is just coming because MS bought it?
Everyone knows that it will come. The problem is WHEN it will come. Not blaming anyone, I knew it when I bough this phone which has no apps, but I'm tired of waiting.
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no apps? wp7 has plenty of apps, but it is less dependent on apps than say iOS which is nothing but an app launcher. to compare a 4 year old OS to a 1 year old one when it comes to apps is just plain stupid and idiotic at best

It just closed. Meaning up until yesterday, they were separate companies. And up until last week, for anti-trust reasons, they were not allowed to work together on anything.

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no apps? wp7 has plenty of apps, but it is less dependent on apps than say iOS which is nothing but an app launcher. to compare a 4 year old OS to a 1 year old one when it comes to apps is just plain stupid and idiotic at best
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you should probably settle down.
I'd like to see skype integrated into the messaging hub as well. Probably have to wait until wp8 for that though.

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no apps? wp7 has plenty of apps, but it is less dependent on apps than say iOS which is nothing but an app launcher. to compare a 4 year old OS to a 1 year old one when it comes to apps is just plain stupid and idiotic at best
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If people are really wondering why the "haters" keep coming here to "bash" WP7, it is largely because of posts like the one I have quoted here, and the attendant fanatical attitude of people who agree with it.
Calling people who have different tastes, preferences, and perspectives "stupid and idiotic" invalidates anything else you might be trying to say.

MS will probably release this as an update via Zune. Carriers will take 5 months to test it. It will take another 5 months before everyone gets it.

ammarmalik said:
MS will probably release this as an update via Zune. Carriers will take 5 months to test it. It will take another 5 months before everyone gets it.
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Still down on the OS update process after how well the Mango update was executed?
And this is coming as an app first, and integrated into the OS (and other Microsoft products) at a later time.

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no apps? wp7 has plenty of apps, but it is less dependent on apps than say iOS which is nothing but an app launcher. to compare a 4 year old OS to a 1 year old one when it comes to apps is just plain stupid and idiotic at best
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This post is just plain stupid and idiotic at best.

It's coming.... It's possible that the app that Skype planned was retooled/re-planned by a new Microsoft lead team..... I believe it WILL be here before the years end........... And I believe it's going to top anything the competition has to offer.......
Look at the new batch of windows phones getting ready to release or have been released.. They have FFC's and surely that's for something major such as Skype and not just some little OEM app such as the Samsung one....
Then in either the Tango or Apollo update, I believe it's going to be INTEGRATED into the OS.....

Hi, I asked this question to them via Twitter, they offcially said, It will do come in fall, which mean, with the ref website they officially provided to find what date is "the start of Winter", before 22nd December, 2011.
Hope it will help

I assume it will be in Apollo, tango 1 &2 will be simple updates .. nothing major will be present in those ( few languages , minor bug fixes )

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Then in either the Tango or Apollo update, I believe it's going to be INTEGRATED into the OS.....
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And that's something that could be really tasty - Skype chat integrated into messaging with SMS/WLM/FB, updated contact cards allowing Skype calls, etc.
An app in the Marketplace this fall would fill the gap, of course, but real stuff won't come before a next major update.

Skype 'text' chat
I would appreciate just Skype 'text' Chat to start with. At least some form of interaction with your current Skype contacts would then be possible.

I'd be fine with an app right now, with deep integration further down the line.
Like Facebook or Twitter for instance

gburt said:
I would appreciate just Skype 'text' Chat to start with. At least some form of interaction with your current Skype contacts would then be possible.
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through the wait, just get free IM+ for skype chat

Yeah, an app in the interim to be able to make and receive skype calls would be great, as I'm prepared to wait for proper integration such as there is in Mango with WLM and FBC - great work by the MS team, and to be honest, I didn't even realise at first that they were integrated into messaging now - loving it!

Not here because their sockets api sucks and any IM app has to go through ridiculous hoops for basic functionality. There's a reason why there are no good instant messaging apps on WP7.