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Hardware image scaler on WP7 (reason HD2 is not upgradeable to WP7)

When I read Microsoft XNA developer blog:
http://blogs.msdn.com/shawnhar/archive/2010/03/10/xna-game-studio-on-windows-phone.aspx
I came across this text:
The phone features an image scaler which allows games to render to any size backbuffer they like, and have it automatically stretched to fill the display, with black bars along the edges if the backbuffer and display have different aspect ratios (an idea that will be familiar to Xbox developers). This scaling is handled by dedicated hardware, so does not consume any GPU resources, and it uses a high quality image filter that gives much better results than bilinear filtering like you would get if you did this yourself on the GPU.
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I would think that hardware image scaler is something new ... and I dont think it is present on current WM device, including HD2. That could mean also the reason why HD2 is not upgradeable to WP7, because it does not have that piece of hardware.

The perfect reason why hd2 wont get upgrade (may be) :
"Microsoft will begin standardizing around the same touch interface with consistent CPU and GPU along with standard RAM configurations."

And gogol your signature a funny one ha ha i liked it.

gogol said:
When I read Microsoft XNA developer blog:
http://blogs.msdn.com/shawnhar/archive/2010/03/10/xna-game-studio-on-windows-phone.aspx
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Quote from there:
The phone supports full hardware accelerated 3D, but we are not exposing programmable shaders in this release.
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Boo!
That means we won't be seeing some of the cooler effects in Electopia in WP7 games.

Shasarak said:
Quote from there: Boo!
That means we won't be seeing some of the cooler effects in Electopia in WP7 games.
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Probably at the beginning no but I'm more than certain that they will include programmable shaders in future release.
Maybe not 1.1 or not even 1.2 but it will come. Next generation hardware will need that.

gogol said:
When I read Microsoft XNA developer blog:
http://blogs.msdn.com/shawnhar/archive/2010/03/10/xna-game-studio-on-windows-phone.aspx
I came across this text:
I would think that hardware image scaler is something new ... and I dont think it is present on current WM device, including HD2. That could mean also the reason why HD2 is not upgradeable to WP7, because it does not have that piece of hardware.
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What chipset supports this hardware scaler? Seems strange they'd have something as a requirement that doesn't come on any of the current chipsets WP7 is aimed at.

elyl said:
What chipset supports this hardware scaler? Seems strange they'd have something as a requirement that doesn't come on any of the current chipsets WP7 is aimed at.
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It could be something that the revised (1.3GHz) version of Snapdragon has but the current version doesn't; or I suppose it could be something that isn't part of the standard Qualcomm chipset at all, but which has to be added to all WP7 phones and which effectively sits in between the graphics chip and the display (a bit like a scaler chip built into a desktop monitor); but I have to agree this sounds a little odd.

elyl said:
What chipset supports this hardware scaler? Seems strange they'd have something as a requirement that doesn't come on any of the current chipsets WP7 is aimed at.
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Nvidia? _____________

Isaygarcia said:
Nvidia? _____________
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All first gen WP7S phones will be using Qualcomm chipsets.

I like this. It'll make porting XNA games form the Xbox alot easier since you don't have to worrie about changing graphic sizes or the resolution you have it set to.

Thoughts
This is just a thought, perhaps WP7 based hardware will have alot in common with the Zune HD hardware (Video In particular) I may be way off base tho, take it as you will or not.
Cheers
BR

maybe the fpu in the hd2 could be this image scaler?

Brau0303 said:
This is just a thought, perhaps WP7 based hardware will have alot in common with the Zune HD hardware (Video In particular) I may be way off base tho, take it as you will or not.
Cheers
BR
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Yes, you're way off base.

Brau0303 said:
This is just a thought, perhaps WP7 based hardware will have alot in common with the Zune HD hardware (Video In particular) I may be way off base tho, take it as you will or not.
Cheers
BR
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Zune uses Nvidia Tegra chipset and WP7 is going to be using Qualcomm Snapdragon. Two different hardware's there.

johnny88xxx said:
maybe the fpu in the hd2 could be this image scaler?
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That will do...I trust XDA devs will get WP7 on the HD2 about 3 wks after the first system dump of a phone made for wp7 is release or thrown around for reviews and one reviewer will leak the sys image / xda dev will get his hands on it / rip it apart / put it back together for the HD2. I trust the xda devs and I really need a new phone bad...T-mobile doesn't have a "Superphone!" (such a funny word) so yeah, i'm gunna by it and put my faith in xda devs and pray wp7 gets hacked and put on the HD2...so in short...it's not gunna have an official update, unless otherwise stated at mix10. if not then xda devs will consider that a challenge before all human race, and they ain't gunna lose!

pychobj2001 said:
That will do...I trust XDA devs will get WP7 on the HD2 about 3 wks after the first system dump of a phone made for wp7 is release or thrown around for reviews and one reviewer will leak the sys image / xda dev will get his hands on it / rip it apart / put it back together for the HD2. I trust the xda devs and I really need a new phone bad...T-mobile doesn't have a "Superphone!" (such a funny word) so yeah, i'm gunna by it and put my faith in xda devs and pray wp7 gets hacked and put on the HD2...so in short...it's not gunna have an official update, unless otherwise stated at mix10. if not then xda devs will consider that a challenge before all human race, and they ain't gunna lose!
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yeah you can just go for a sleep and wait until xda has done the dirty work for you, from which we don't even know if that's possible at all.

RAMMANN said:
yeah you can just go for a sleep and wait until xda has done the dirty work for you, from which we don't even know if that's possible at all.
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That's true. I'm affraid the drivers will need a complete rewrite due to new CE core, which would be nearly impossible to do just by reverse engineering...

every windows 7 phone will be running the exact same chipset as the hd2,and the majority of them will be running the same resolution. the drivers will all be in the dumped sys image,also qualcomms snapdragon chipset has the image scaler built on,so the hd2 has that as well

RAMMANN said:
yeah you can just go for a sleep and wait until xda has done the dirty work for you, from which we don't even know if that's possible at all.
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qft
nuff said honestly
I hate having to purchase a new phone for wp7s but it looks like that's what is going to have to be done

jackxlj said:
every windows 7 phone will be running the exact same chipset as the hd2,and the majority of them will be running the same resolution. the drivers will all be in the dumped sys image,also qualcomms snapdragon chipset has the image scaler built on,so the hd2 has that as well
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So you're happy if the touchscreen doesn't work and you can't use the camera?

Won't there ever be a Windows Phone 7 Lite ROM?

I was just curious to know this from a long time.
Will there ever be a Lite Windows Phone 7 ROM for phones that are lesser than 1GB processor.
If so, what are some of the things we might have to sacrifice??
Just a question and a no offence to any1...
Thanx...healthy arguments are welcome...

Your beloved X1 or any other non-snapdragon phone doesn't meet requirements, the processor simply isn't capable of running it on instruction level, it requires ARMv7 processor, while all other <Snapdragon are ARMv6 only capable (WM requires ARMv4i).

OndraSter said:
Your beloved X1 or any other non-snapdragon phone doesn't meet requirements, the processor simply isn't capable of running it on instruction level, it requires ARMv7 processor, while all other <Snapdragon are ARMv6 only capable (WM requires ARMv4i).
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Thanx al ot for ur reply..I got it...no WinPhone 7 for me....
BUt how about a Lite ROM???
Minus a few things mayb....its the famous game of 'wait and watch'

WP7 IS Lite, the only thing you could remove is all 3D animations and such, which probably would require deep changes in the core which also probably would break compatibility with all WP7 Apps. You would also need to recompile the OS for versions lower than ARMv7, which would require the source code, which only Microsoft have. Microsoft know exactly what they are doing so they wont open support for old crap devices. There is a reason that they broke backwards capability.
TL;DR: Get a new phone instead, there will never be a "lite" ROM of this.

Sir. Haxalot said:
WP7 IS Lite, the only thing you could remove is all 3D animations and such, which probably would require deep changes in the core which also probably would break compatibility with all WP7 Apps. You would also need to recompile the OS for versions lower than ARMv7, which would require the source code, which only Microsoft have. Microsoft know exactly what they are doing so they wont open support for old crap devices. There is a reason that they broke backwards capability.
TL;DR: Get a new phone instead, there will never be a "lite" ROM of this.
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Sigh...
Sad but true. Thanx anyways...its a lil bit like IE9 not being compatible with XP....

Such a ROM would be instantly banned from XBox Live, etc. when you try to connect. Microsoft already has the infrastructure in place to do it. I would be a dumb phone with a cute UI, basically.
Same goes for WP7 ROMs ported to other devices.

circleofomega said:
i was just curious to know this from a long time.
Will there ever be a lite windows phone 7 rom for phones that are lesser than 1gb processor.
If so, what are some of the things we might have to sacrifice??
Just a question and a no offence to any1...
Thanx...healthy arguments are welcome...
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ha ha ha ha no never ever ever !!!!! Supporting devices slower than 1ghz was why windows mobile was introuble in the first place they allowed their os on crappy devices!!!!! Now windows phone 7 will never be on crap phones with these new restrictions and i agree with the minimum requirements 100% go microsoft for killing low-end crap windows mobile crashboxes

Also there is no need for Microsoft to develop a Windows Phone 7 Lite for new entry-level handsets. At the moment Windows Phone 7 is used only in high-end handsets, because of the strict hardware-requirements. But with time, this hardware will become cheaper and therefore Windows Phone 7 will be available in entry-level handsets. I guess you can get a WP7 device for 200€ instead of the current 500€ in two year.

What does 'entry level handset' mean?

circleofomega said:
What does 'entry level handset' mean?
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A phone that is cheap to buy, unlike the current phones (200 with 2 year contract)

desolateone1 said:
A phone that is cheap to buy, unlike the current phones (200 with 2 year contract)
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getting my hd7 for 100 with corporate discount. Is that entry level enough?!?

Well Folks
What say
http://www.unwiredview.com/2010/04/...e-launched-in-india-other-developing-markets/
http://www.tech-exclusive.com/microsoft-to-launch-cheap-windows-phone-7-in-india/

[Advice]Buy wave or not?

My older thread didn't help me much and this might help me more because now, i'm going to buy a phone within this week but i'm thinking of buying Wave, because of it's 1 ghz cortex a8 processor and GPu PowerVR sgx 540 which is proven to be the fastest among single core processors (not including tegra). To be hoenst, PowerVR sgx 540 performs just like tegra 2 GPU and is more or less the same GPU used in iphone 4.
Question is, which one to buy? keeping in mind that android is comming to wave sooner or later, what do you guys say? do you think android would work on wave (dual boot) so that the bada OS is also secured. Now my options are:
-LG optimus one (around 170$)(wifi is b/g only)
-Samsung wave (Around 299$)
-Samsung galaxy ace (349$)
-Samsung galaxy mini (around 179$)
These are the only phones i want to choose from because others are either expensive or useless (not android). I don't think that galaxy ace would be a very good choice despite the fact that it has no flash support (decreases 50% surfing on internet). About wave is that, bada sucks for now as there aren't cool widgets, apps available. About Optimus One, it is cheap, which is a good thing but the pixels are way too low and it runs a 600mhz processor which cannot run at least 50% of the good games without lag.
Now i can only trust you guys to help me as this will allow me to choose my phone and i really want some good suggestions. Thanks a lot in advance

> Bada Software and Hacking General (No noobs here)
> Asking advice about buy a Samsung Wave
nope.avi

Otacon_ahs said:
> Bada Software and Hacking General (No noobs here)
> Asking advice about buy a Samsung Wave
nope.avi
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Sorry i didn't understand what you mean by "nope.avi" and tbh you seem like a noob to me and yet you're making a useless post
It's too bad that there's no Q & A section for bada or i could've made a thread there :/

keeping in mind that android is comming to wave sooner or later
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shad0wboss
If you wish Android on Wave (II) you need to wait... long, loooonger, very loooooooooooooooong.
So the answer is later. Much later.
If you can't wait. Then your first choice should be an Android handset.
And yes, sorry. Its very hard to answer as normally we are in Software&Hacking section of XDA...
And this is your second try and buy Thread.
Best Regards

adfree said:
shad0wboss
If you wish Android on Wave (II) you need to wait... long, loooonger, very loooooooooooooooong.
So the answer is later. Much later.
If you can't wait. Then your first choice should be an Android handset.
And yes, sorry. Its very hard to answer as normally we are in Software&Hacking section of XDA...
And this is your second try and buy Thread.
Best Regards
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Thanks for your reply, also the project you're working on, does it apply to wave II as well or only for Wave?

Android project is at very very early stadium.
Pre pre Alpha... and oleg_k is the only person who have seen Android on his Wave. NO ONE else.
I have no idea when second person can confirm running Android on Wave.
oleg_k uses additional Hardware called JTAG.
Costs around 200 Euro... see here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=898996
We all have to wait. Maybe weeks, maybe months...
Best Regards

Currently all android ports being worked on are for wave I. So if you are buying waveII, you will have to wait much longer.
Now on your opinion to buy a handset,
1)Do not buy wave in the hope of getting android in it later or sooner. We don't know all the problems we might face after loading android onto our phones. So if you want Android, go for galaxy ace.
2)Bada has a scope of improvement and you can see its progres by taking a look at the app store. Every week some new good games are coming, either ports or original stuff. Now Bada has apps like Fruit Ninja, Plants vs. Zombies, Doodle Jump and many other games which people were longing to see on the samsung app store. Eventually, more apps will arrive. But don't buy Wave if your only interest is apps and widgets. If you can give bada some time, then you can go on to buy the wave.
3)And if you are looking for a rock solid hardware, go for Wave! Wave's hardware can't be matched by any other single core phones for now. The wave in fact has a better gpu than Iphone 4. So Wave is the best bet for your budget. Also the screen quality and Multimedia experience is really amazing. Also its out of the box ability to play almost all of the video formats including Divx HD and Xvid along with subtitles will make you want to buy the Wave. Remember that currently Bada has few problems in properly utilizing the RAM. So you might get memory errors sometimes even though it has more than 512 MB of ram on it. I don't know if the memory issues have been solved on Wave II or not but atleast Wave currently faces this problem.
So now you are left to your choice. My personal recommendation is the Wave! I am saying this after using an Iphone 4(Which got stolen ), an HTC Desire and now my beloved Wave!

My opinion is go with wave because it has wonderful design and no other samsung phones has better design like wave. also bada 2.0 looks more promising..
Maybe we can get android on wave within weeks but it will be pre alpha version and you cant expect all functionalities work and maybe few functionalities will never work.
Multimedia side wave rocks. but if you interested in apps then go for android device..Now your choice

scout for a dual processor

Got Wave II for some days. The biggest problem is lack of apps for bada, which is semi rapidly fixed, samsung is spending alot of cash into its development, so it is getting better month by month (comparing bada 1.0 to 1.2 for eg.).
It has got very powerful CPU and GPU, but haven't seen yet a game that uses more than like 30% of its power, but if you don't mind about games and weird apps like remote sattelite controllers which for sure can be found for Android. If you only want to have smoothly running device with some gadgets - I do recommend it.
astrotom said:
Currently all android ports being worked on are for wave I. So if you are buying waveII, you will have to wait much longer.
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As far as I know Wave II is the same hardware as Wave I, except the LCD display. So port for Wave I = port for Wave II with abit different LCD driver.

Rebellos said:
Got Wave II for some days. The biggest problem is lack of apps for bada, which is semi rapidly fixed, samsung is spending alot of cash into its development, so it is getting better month by month (comparing bada 1.0 to 1.2 for eg.).
It has got very powerful CPU and GPU, but haven't seen yet a game that uses more than like 30% of its power, but if you don't mind about games and weird apps like remote sattelite controllers which for sure can be found for Android. If you only want to have smoothly running device with some gadgets - I do recommend it.
As far as I know Wave II is the same hardware as Wave I, except the LCD display. So port for Wave I = port for Wave II with abit different LCD driver.
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The hardware might seem equal from outside but there are many internal differences. The main feature still remain the same. If wave II = wave I, then 1.2 update would be available to wave I users as soon as wave II was released. But that is not the case. Wave II use different boot loaders and firmware files. So please read through the forum before to get more info.

[Q] Flash Samsung wave 723 with Galaxy 551 Firwmare

Hi guys.
Do you know samsung galaxy 551? It looks like wave 533 (size, screen resolution), but it has android instead of bada.
Would it be possible to flash 551's FW into wave 533/525/723?
Thanks.

hey man dont just dream in the sky..
comebach to the earth and deal with reality.
agreed that it can be possible but its not so easy as you think it to be.
oleg_k and other devs are engaged in android port for senior wave since long time but still there is no way out there for a functional port.

m90ultimate said:
hey man dont just dream in the sky..
comebach to the earth and deal with reality.
agreed that it can be possible but its not so easy as you think it to be.
oleg_k and other devs are engaged in android port for senior wave since long time but still there is no way out there for a functional port.
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So, don't forget that LG released Froyo for KH5200 and actually is used also for GW620 (officialy unsupported). I transformed my wife's GW620 in froyo 3 days ago with LG official release for KH5200, everything is ok and more fest than GW620's Cupcake. Never say never, she (sirlene) said that because she hopes that can help port devs to see this and test it if is possible.
Plese put here a discussion were anyone was tested a 551 fw in 533 or 525/ or 23 and finally you will be right.
I'm not fighting, this is just an earful.

there is a big difference between using a different Android platform on a device that ALREADY uses android, and putting android on a device that uses a COMPLETELY different OS core (bada with Nucleus kernel).

Maybe. but gislene said that because she believes 533 maybe is same or compatible hardware from 551. that's the point.
Is like compare a PC with linux or windows. and I can't use my OSes from my Phenom II X4 in my Atom 330 PC, but I can use Linux or Windows instead.
And finally, if I change my Atom 330 PC HDD to my Atom 230 PC the system works fine, not the same hardware but is same chipsets and compatilble processor
Think this =]

kimbrasil said:
Maybe. but gislene said that because she believes 533 maybe is same or compatible hardware from 551. that's the point.
Is like compare a PC with linux or windows. and I can't use my OSes from my Phenom II X4 in my Atom 330 PC, but I can use Linux or Windows instead.
And finally, if I change my Atom 330 PC HDD to my Atom 230 PC the system works fine, not the same hardware but is same chipsets and compatilble processor
Think this =]
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Then try this and brick your phone... If you read the Android porting thread you will see that it's not as easy as one thinks...

kimbrasil said:
Maybe. but gislene said that because she believes 533 maybe is same or compatible hardware from 551. that's the point.
Is like compare a PC with linux or windows. and I can't use my OSes from my Phenom II X4 in my Atom 330 PC, but I can use Linux or Windows instead.
And finally, if I change my Atom 330 PC HDD to my Atom 230 PC the system works fine, not the same hardware but is same chipsets and compatilble processor
Think this =]
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..but PC have not a locked bootloader and a mobile os it's not like that of a desktop
hardware seems also different, galaxy seems more powerfull but no info about cpu model of wave 723:
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=2582&view=1&c=samsung_gt-i5510_galaxy_551
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/Samsung-Wave-723_id4867

Ya guys, I know, but m90ultimate was very rude with gislene and don't understood what she really tried to be grasped.
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gislene said that because she believes 533 maybe is same or compatible hardware from 551.
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The hope was that devices have very similar engineering. I know the processors are quite different, the huge Cortex 1GHz architecture is not like a simple ARM 650MHz, but I really can't say if the simple ARM system will not work in Cortex processor. And maybe the system inside have I/O compatibility with some Samsung models, to simplify the production. Korean mobile brands always make this (Ezio, LG and Samsung), using the same Qualcomm or MediaTek like chipsets for all line production with same RTOS layer.
I exemplified with PC to explain what she said. And I know the protection layer of Bada devices is so hard to be unbreaked, not so simple like install a new OS in PC or change HDDs.
And really who try that is because have enough knowledge in how to unbrick and recover the device if the other fw don't work, is not a "dream in the sky".
PS: If I reprogram my PC BIOS with other MoBo BIOS possibly will brick it and maybe burn it! thats obvious!

Tizen 1.0 Larkspur SDK and Source Code Release

For more details visit the website
https://www.tizen.org/blogs/tsg/2012/tizen-1.0-larkspur
Will we see Tizen soon in our devices?

Yes.
Samsung is very famous as lightning fast.
See how long bada 2...
So we have Tizen soooon in 1 or 2 years...
Best Regards

someone already started portin tizen on the wave s8500
but the threat is locked so there is no new information about progres
and i think it was the first beta of tizen
www . badaforums . net /forums/tizen-general/tizen-flashing-t6443.html

Great
It seems to be good.
Maybe a Tizen section should be added in xda ?

They are developing Tizen on very similiar device to SGS2 (same CPU, same CP, similiar board), I don't think they will ever want to backport it to Wave series.

Yes Samsung won't port it. No doubt. We can't expect anything from them. We saw how long they take to release and to roll out bada 2 for less than 5 devices.... a year now... And no official release for every body.
But I'm confident and I think that a unofficial port is possible.

...and I think that a unofficial port is possible.
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Come on...
Nothing learned ?
SDK and new OS is ever blablaballaballa...
The magic is talented Developers...
If you can write Programs, then you can port it to many systems...
Example...
You don't need Windows 7, 8, 9 or Win 1000... to play Solitaire.
Or Crysis 2 runs perfect on XP...
Same for handsets. It is absolute buxxshxttx to change OS...
bada 1.x Apis are perfect for Games...
There are other reasons why not so much good stuff available...
Don't waste your time with Tizen for S8500, S8530 etc...
Its only wet dream.
Best Regards

I'm shared about your answer. I know that it is a hard to port an OS.
I know that the hardware capacity are important and that the Waves are becoming old. I don't expect a smooth and ultra fast Tizen.
But for me running is running. Before I get my Wave I was with a super slow Omnia I900 (even with the WM6.1 stock Rom). Samsung doesn't updated the device (uhm... it doesn't changed...) with WM 6.5 and devs made the update. It was working,no more.
What I want to say is that now nobody is happy of the power of their "toys" (PC,tablet,smartphone...). For sure I think it is better for our toys to be the fluent and efficient as possible. The best is to get the right balance between efficiency and the possibilities that offers you the OS.
Moreover we(especially I in fact) don't know if this OS need a lot of resources or not. It is not because the OS has been developed with a SGS2 that it requires such hardware.
There are actually three possibilities :
-Tizen is a light OS runnable by nearly all device.
-Tizen is a plump OS. Then it can be run with some tweaks.
-Tizen requires so much resources that it can only be bootable with recent device.
After knowing which kind of OS we have we can say wheter it is possible or not.
I know that being optimistic isn't good. I take the risk to be disapointed that you take
I hope you will be suprised. Even if you have more chance than me to be right.

Hi again
I've downloaded Tizen SDK and Emulator. I found file which is running in emulator, it's hm system file. Maybe if we found a metod to extract, we can explore Tizen OS files. Can anybody extract it, or have idea how to do it ?
Programs\tizen_sdk\Emulator\x86\emulimg-1.0.x86

Soxix said:
There are actually three possibilities :
-Tizen is a light OS runnable by nearly all device.
-Tizen is a plump OS. Then it can be run with some tweaks.
-Tizen requires so much resources that it can only be bootable with recent device.
After knowing which kind of OS we have we can say wheter it is possible or not.
I know that being optimistic isn't good. I take the risk to be disapointed that you take
I hope you will be suprised. Even if you have more chance than me to be right.
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none of this really matters, getting an OS to "run" on the Samsung Wave S8500/S8530 devices has been done, and could certainly get done to the same point with Tizen as was done with Android but it would also STOP at the same point - modem driver and fuel guage, people who have the time and coding know-how are needed to work on this specifically for Wave devices, but because of the relatively limited market penetration of the Wave that just hasn't ended up being the case.(remember we haven't been able to find a device that has the modem wired up and coded in the way it has been done on S8500 and S8530) I don't know much about S8600's modem.

Seems also silence about Tizen...
SDK has NO update since April... since first release...
IFA in Berlin is near...
Rumours NO Tizen device in 2012.
So I think no Tizen news on IFA next days...
If you install Tizen SDK, you can find many Samsung Emails...
tizen_installmanager_....log
Best Regards

http://developer.samsung.com/develo...ageNum=&orderby=&blogeh=&sctype=&syear=&stag=
http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/linuxcon/schedule
Tizen seems not dxad yet...
Best Regards

Uuupsi... surprice :cyclops:
New Tizen SDK available...
https://www.tizen.org/
Best Regards
Submitted by tsg on 25 Sep, 2012
Today, we are happy to announce that the Tizen 2.0 alpha source code and SDK are now available. We encourage developers to start working with these new features and functionality and provide feedback that can be used to improve Tizen during the final stages of its development. You can visit the community page to learn more about participating in the Tizen project.
Tizen 2.0 alpha has additional features, tools, and other improvements, including:
Enhanced Web framework that provides better HTML5/W3C API support and more Tizen Device APIs
Multi-process Webkit2-based Web Runtime which provides better security and reliability for Web applications
Advanced HTML5 features such as video subtitles and captions, battery status API, screen orientation API, <keygen> and <details>, and more
New Tizen Device APIs for file transfer, notifications, and power control
Advanced IDE & SDK for Web application development
Install manager support for snapshot-based network installation
Enhanced support for OpenGL ES
New Platform SDK that helps platform development based on OBS
More information on the release can be found here: https://source.tizen.org/release
We look forward to getting feedback and making additional enhancements to Tizen over the coming months. There are additional components that we plan to add in the coming weeks, and we will continue to fix bugs and add additional features.
We have also documented the complete development process which leverages state-of-the-art open source management and integration tools to accelerate development and high quality releases. We really encourage developers to participate in the Tizen open source project.
Documentation on development and tools can be found here: https://source.tizen.org/os-development
The Tizen Technical Steering Group
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if some one compile it tell me i try to look and see if we can make boot

http://www.ddaily.co.kr/news/news_view.php?uid=95786
In some german text... I've read something that new Tizen SDK this month possible...
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adfree said:
http://www.ddaily.co.kr/news/news_view.php?uid=95786
In some german text... I've read something that new Tizen SDK this month possible...
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Can anybody translate few important lines from this Article in English?
is this related to Bada+ Tizen merger and new
(or Same) SDK for Bada 2.0 and Tizen 2.0 ?
tried with Google translator but its tooo bad

http://developer.samsung.com/develo...eNum=1&orderby=&blogeh=E&sctype=&syear=&stag=
On October the 11th, the Linux Foundation held the first Korea Linux Forum in Seoul, Korea, a new Linux event in the APAC region, bringing together a unique blend of core developers, system administrators, users, community managers and industry experts...
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https://developer.tizen.org/forums/web-application-development/what-do-building-widget-really-do
Tizen supports two packaging format's, one is "*.tpk" for Tizen C++Apps (aka, native apps) and the other is "*.wgt" for Web apps.
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Someone saw such C++ type in SDK ?
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http://www.stanford.edu/class/cs148/
http://www.stanford.edu/class/cs148/code/tizen_instruction_from_samsung.pdf
No idea if known...
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https://www.tizen.org/community/events/2011/linuxcon-europe-2012
Date:
5 November, 2012 (All day) - 7 November, 2012 (All day)
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We are tentatively planning to have Tizen sessions or a mini-summit.
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