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[LEAK/INFO] Found something interesting about HTC HD7 on on the HTC RMA

Commercial name: HTC Trophy (HTC 7)
Codename: Spark
Specifications:
WVGA screen
8-Megapixel camera
1GHz Snapdragon processor (QSD8250)
3G Network: HSDPA 900 / 2100
Hope it's interesting
Regards,
B

I have to confess, unless you're talking about the 8 MP camera, I don't see anything that was unknown from earlier leaks. Is that what you're referring to, or am I missing something obvious?
Also, I'd recommend taking down the second image. The name of the user logged in isn't blocked in that screenshot.
Cheers,
--VelJharig

Any more part numbers/models listed? Anything showing US models?

VelJharig said:
I have to confess, unless you're talking about the 8 MP camera, I don't see anything that was unknown from earlier leaks. Is that what you're referring to, or am I missing something obvious?
Also, I'd recommend taking down the second image. The name of the user logged in isn't blocked in that screenshot.
Cheers,
--VelJharig
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Thanks for the head up

RustyGrom said:
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I only have access to the European portal atm.

Can't believe HTC uses the Q8250 which is now almost 100% confirmed.
Byebye HTC, never liked your phones anyway, they are crappy as phones. Pooooooooooor speakers, pooooooooor batterylife, poooooooooooooooor cameras, pooooooooooor reception.
All above is right compared to other brands, the 4 most important things in a phone aswell, bad bad.
This certainly doesn't look like they are shaping up
Edit: Either way, good find OP

I, for one, don't care what chip is in my phone as long as the outcome is good. From everything we've seen, the performance, including 3D Games, is pretty damn good.

RustyGrom said:
I, for one, don't care what chip is in my phone as long as the outcome is good. From everything we've seen, the performance, including 3D Games, is pretty damn good.
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But could have been better, as well as:
*Cheaper
*More energy efficient
*Newer
Why accept old "crap" in extremely expensive premium devices?

Mr.Sir said:
Can't believe HTC uses the Q8250 which is now almost 100% confirmed.
Byebye HTC, never liked your phones anyway, they are crappy as phones. Pooooooooooor speakers, pooooooooor batterylife, poooooooooooooooor cameras, pooooooooooor reception.
All above is right compared to other brands, the 4 most important things in a phone aswell, bad bad.
This certainly doesn't look like they are shaping up
Edit: Either way, good find OP
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I don't don't seem to understand why your angry at HTC and MS for using the Q8250 processor.
Think about it this way, That processor is the minimum hardware requirement for WP7, so every application and game will be optimized for all devices and developers can take full advantage of the hardware.
Now lets talk about Android fragmentation. Even if you get a Android device with a 2ghz processor and Froyo the applications won't take full advantage of you hardware. Why is that? Because there are Froyo devices on the market with 528mhz and 600mhz qualcomm processors.

Mr.Sir said:
But could have been better, as well as:
*Cheaper
*More energy efficient
*Newer
Why accept old "crap" in extremely expensive premium devices?
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Because it's not "ancient" or "crap" and will allow for devices to be cheaper than they otherwise would be.

Mr.Sir said:
But could have been better, as well as:
*Cheaper
*More energy efficient
*Newer
Why accept old "crap" in extremely expensive premium devices?
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I also can't understand what is happening? It's one thing if HTC would have gone mad or something, but all leaks is pointing towards the QSD8250.
If you don't want a cheaper phone that preforms better and have a better battery time, it's up to you, but I want exactly that!

I hate to state the obvious but doesn't EVERY first gen wp7 device have the same qualcomm processor? strict hardware requirements anyone?
I mean if you knock htc for doing that you may as well knock everyone else for doing it. Fact is that's what microsoft specified for the first crop of devices

domineus said:
I hate to state the obvious but doesn't EVERY first gen wp7 device have the same qualcomm processor? strict hardware requirements anyone?
I mean if you knock htc for doing that you may as well knock everyone else for doing it. Fact is that's what microsoft specified for the first crop of devices
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Do you have a link? We're just complaining that all the leaks are leading to the first gen Qualcomm processor. You know, the one that was in the Toshiba TG-01 back in June 09, with the lacklustre Adreno 200 GPU. If it's the newer snapdragons with the Adreno205 GPU, then that'd be ALOT more acceptable for a current generation device.
In saying that, the Harvest game demo looks hot, but personally, i find it hard to believe that the Adreno200 is doing such good eye candy. I'd like to be proven wrong.
I'm still crossing my fingers that Samsung will have a hummingbird/SGX540 in theirs.

I just want to know what people are referencing to make them think the 8650 is cheaper than the 8250? I'm not buying that.

RustyGrom said:
I just want to know what people are referencing to make them think the 8650 is cheaper than the 8250? I'm not buying that.
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Dont know about cheaper, but it should be abit faster, and less power hungry giving better battery life, due to it being 45nm rather than 65nm. The real breaker is the GPU really. The Adreno 200 on the QSD8250 is like 1/3 the speed of the SGX540.
There are still rumours about that WP7 devices might have the QSD8250A processor @ 1.3ghz, so theres still hope.
Here's a list of Snapdragon CPU's
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon_(processor)

Cruzer1 said:
Dont know about cheaper, but it should be abit faster, and less power hungry giving better battery life, due to it being 45nm rather than 65nm. The real breaker is the GPU really. The Adreno 200 on the QSD8250 is like 1/3 the speed of the SGX540.
There are still rumours about that WP7 devices might have the QSD8250A processor @ 1.3ghz, so theres still hope.
Here's a list of Snapdragon CPU's
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon_(processor)
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Well I get that but people are claiming that it's cheaper as well which seems highly unlikely to me. Maybe over time but not yet.

45nm parts are cheaper to make since they can fit more of them on a single wafer. I have no idea if they are sold cheaper or not to manufacturers but they are cheaper to make.

Op thanks for the look. You still need to remove the second pic as there is no information that isn't in the first except who is logged in.

RustyGrom said:
Because it's not "ancient" or "crap" and will allow for devices to be cheaper than they otherwise would be.
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I believe the 8255 is cheaper, because it's manufactured on a 45nm process instead of the 65nm. That means more chips per waffer = lower prices.

krjcook said:
I don't don't seem to understand why your angry at HTC and MS for using the Q8250 processor.
Think about it this way, That processor is the minimum hardware requirement for WP7, so every application and game will be optimized for all devices and developers can take full advantage of the hardware.
Now lets talk about Android fragmentation. Even if you get a Android device with a 2ghz processor and Froyo the applications won't take full advantage of you hardware. Why is that? Because there are Froyo devices on the market with 528mhz and 600mhz qualcomm processors.
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I partly agree, however:
Microsoft have said all phones will run all programs, no fragmentation. But we do know that if not the first wave uses the Adreno 205, the second one will. How long will the game developers care about the ones with the first Adreno 200 users?

Won't there ever be a Windows Phone 7 Lite ROM?

I was just curious to know this from a long time.
Will there ever be a Lite Windows Phone 7 ROM for phones that are lesser than 1GB processor.
If so, what are some of the things we might have to sacrifice??
Just a question and a no offence to any1...
Thanx...healthy arguments are welcome...

Your beloved X1 or any other non-snapdragon phone doesn't meet requirements, the processor simply isn't capable of running it on instruction level, it requires ARMv7 processor, while all other <Snapdragon are ARMv6 only capable (WM requires ARMv4i).

OndraSter said:
Your beloved X1 or any other non-snapdragon phone doesn't meet requirements, the processor simply isn't capable of running it on instruction level, it requires ARMv7 processor, while all other <Snapdragon are ARMv6 only capable (WM requires ARMv4i).
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Thanx al ot for ur reply..I got it...no WinPhone 7 for me....
BUt how about a Lite ROM???
Minus a few things mayb....its the famous game of 'wait and watch'

WP7 IS Lite, the only thing you could remove is all 3D animations and such, which probably would require deep changes in the core which also probably would break compatibility with all WP7 Apps. You would also need to recompile the OS for versions lower than ARMv7, which would require the source code, which only Microsoft have. Microsoft know exactly what they are doing so they wont open support for old crap devices. There is a reason that they broke backwards capability.
TL;DR: Get a new phone instead, there will never be a "lite" ROM of this.

Sir. Haxalot said:
WP7 IS Lite, the only thing you could remove is all 3D animations and such, which probably would require deep changes in the core which also probably would break compatibility with all WP7 Apps. You would also need to recompile the OS for versions lower than ARMv7, which would require the source code, which only Microsoft have. Microsoft know exactly what they are doing so they wont open support for old crap devices. There is a reason that they broke backwards capability.
TL;DR: Get a new phone instead, there will never be a "lite" ROM of this.
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Sigh...
Sad but true. Thanx anyways...its a lil bit like IE9 not being compatible with XP....

Such a ROM would be instantly banned from XBox Live, etc. when you try to connect. Microsoft already has the infrastructure in place to do it. I would be a dumb phone with a cute UI, basically.
Same goes for WP7 ROMs ported to other devices.

circleofomega said:
i was just curious to know this from a long time.
Will there ever be a lite windows phone 7 rom for phones that are lesser than 1gb processor.
If so, what are some of the things we might have to sacrifice??
Just a question and a no offence to any1...
Thanx...healthy arguments are welcome...
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ha ha ha ha no never ever ever !!!!! Supporting devices slower than 1ghz was why windows mobile was introuble in the first place they allowed their os on crappy devices!!!!! Now windows phone 7 will never be on crap phones with these new restrictions and i agree with the minimum requirements 100% go microsoft for killing low-end crap windows mobile crashboxes

Also there is no need for Microsoft to develop a Windows Phone 7 Lite for new entry-level handsets. At the moment Windows Phone 7 is used only in high-end handsets, because of the strict hardware-requirements. But with time, this hardware will become cheaper and therefore Windows Phone 7 will be available in entry-level handsets. I guess you can get a WP7 device for 200€ instead of the current 500€ in two year.

What does 'entry level handset' mean?

circleofomega said:
What does 'entry level handset' mean?
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A phone that is cheap to buy, unlike the current phones (200 with 2 year contract)

desolateone1 said:
A phone that is cheap to buy, unlike the current phones (200 with 2 year contract)
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getting my hd7 for 100 with corporate discount. Is that entry level enough?!?

Well Folks
What say
http://www.unwiredview.com/2010/04/...e-launched-in-india-other-developing-markets/
http://www.tech-exclusive.com/microsoft-to-launch-cheap-windows-phone-7-in-india/

Played with a Motorola Atrix last night - swiping today screens still lags...?

This is not a hate on Android thread, that's not the purpose of my post.
I'm just honestly very curious and confused as to how they could still have that slight bit of lag with a dual core 1ghz processor running.
Is that the fault of the "no hardware acceleration" thing? Or is it just not a very well-optimized OS?
How is my wp7 smooooooth as silk, and their powerful "super" phone is the same?
Competition breeds better products for us the consumers, so in all honesty, I was disappointed last night when I picked it up. I had thought going in; "ok this will be pretty cool to play around with".

It is hardware accelerated.
You forgot to add its bloated with crap, and overlaid with BS software. On the brighter side its doing a ton more than your phone.

The UI isn't hardware accelerated, the OS is poorly coded from borrowed code, the OS is never optimized for the hardware except in the cases of the Nexus devices, I could go on.

Several reasons lead to this:
1. Android is low in efficiency. Doubled spec won't save it.
2. the Blur launcher sucks, unlike some other skins I found nothing helpful in Blur.
3. Tegra2 isn't performing well on 2D acceleration. It got a lower score in 2D part in Quadrant than Hummingbird and QSD8X55. With LauncherPro it's pretty obvious the open drawer animation is not fluid.

vetvito said:
It is hardware accelerated.
You forgot to add its bloated with crap, and overlaid with BS software. On the brighter side its doing a ton more than your phone.
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The Atrix shipped with FroYo and is getting an update to Ginger later IIRC.
The UI is not hardware accellerated in FroYo.
Sorry... And way to troll, BTW...
Some analysts are calling the Atrix and Xoom "duds."
Android's performance, battery life, and UI issues are getting tiresome. It's as if Google put these things so low on the priority scale that they don't get any attention. There are also tons of inconsistencies that make matters worse - like apps (including stock apps) that do not exit via the back button, take up tons of RAM, and continue running in the background. So when the phone starts switching stuff around to get RAM (or when RAM is almost full period) performance dips.

You guys don't get it. If it wasn't hardware accelerated, the device wouldn't be useable. Get your facts right. The word you guys are clearly missing is GPU accelerated, even then its there, just not fully implemented.
Funny thing is, you're using a device with internet access, search first.
Dont know what the hate campaign is about.

For someone who doesn't own a WP7 device you sure spend a lot of time here. You do know that there is a seperate WM6.5 subforum don't you?

vetvito said:
You guys don't get it. If it wasn't hardware accelerated, the device wouldn't be useable. Get your facts right. The word you guys are clearly missing is GPU accelerated, even then its there, just not fully implemented.
Funny thing is, you're using a device with internet access, search first.
Dont know what the hate campaign is about.
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That's frustration, not hate.
Just like someone get frustrated with Microsoft slow at adding features to WP7, some others frastrated with Google not effectively improving the responsiveness and overall efficiency of Android.
Not really sure about the hardware acceleration.
My understanding is, originally the launcher uses 2D acceleration of the GPU.
Now they are moving to use 3D acceleration which performs better?

vetvito said:
You guys don't get it. If it wasn't hardware accelerated, the device wouldn't be useable. Get your facts right. The word you guys are clearly missing is GPU accelerated, even then its there, just not fully implemented.
Funny thing is, you're using a device with internet access, search first.
Dont know what the hate campaign is about.
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Not sure if serious

main reason why android sucks with this
software acceleration
software acceleration on android sucks because it uses CPU not GPU. So things will chug on dual core processors, and single core processors too. That is androids second biggest failure (besides well you know, FRAGMENTATION)
Android is great for sending a quick sms and some programs (skyscape is to die for imho) but otherwise...definitely behind the curve unless the philosophy is not changed

vetvito said:
You guys don't get it. If it wasn't hardware accelerated, the device wouldn't be useable. Get your facts right. The word you guys are clearly missing is GPU accelerated, even then its there, just not fully implemented.
Funny thing is, you're using a device with internet access, search first.
Dont know what the hate campaign is about.
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When we're talking about Hardware Accelleration in the GUI, it's commonly accepted that we're talking about the GPU Graphics Accelleration.
And the ATRIX doesn't have that, at all. Maybe moto built some bits for a special purpose, but the Android FroYo User Interface is not GPU Accellerated like iOS and WP7.
And seriously, don't make yourself look dumb. You've been troll-baiting people in this forum for months. Put up, or shut up.

PG2G said:
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Lol
10char

The android section is that way ---->
Which is where I'll be moving this thread later.
Closed for now.

port WP7 on wave is it possible?

why we want to port WP7 on wave?
1. at this moment all wp7 phones use same CPU (QSD 8250) and it's GPU was "Adreno 200" --- (SGX543MP2(iPad2) > SGX 543 = Adreno 220 > SGX540 (@300MHz) > Geforce ULP [Tegra2] > SGX 540 (@200MHz) = Mali -400 >> Adreno 205 > SGX 535 >> Adreno 200 = SGX 530.)
2. Our wave have the SGX540 GPU,if wp7 port on wave i think it'll more fast than Adreno 200
3. i hear some news ,microsoft will Release a tool it can port almost all android APP to WP7 so in the Future WP7 will be the NO1
4. wp7 more fast than android
I known it's very hard to do ,it just my opinion if it's wrong please forgive me
sorry for my bad english

3 or 4 users work on Android port, without full function... so NOT successfully finished. Since months.
If you have free time, please start with your project to port WP7...
We all count on you.
Good Luck

Its very hard to port the WP7 to wave because WP7 used only qualcomm processer so far but wave using hummingbird processer..porting android is somewhat easier than WP7 because galaxy s and wave almost share the same hardware..also i dont think you can achieve solid performance in wave with other os..

yes winphone 7 has 18 points at the html5 test, even bada 1.2 has 187 very inteligent. a system that can nothing even playing divx to port it on a device that has a system that can more. you should by a phone7 device, than we all are happy.

Of course, bada is a good system

I think that we don't obtain a significative advance in porting Windows Phone 7 to our waves, because Win7 doesn't have much more apps and it is not as extended as Android. You can try with MeeGo or Maemo but the result will be the same: not a really benefit.
The only OSs which are really interesting are iOS (extremely difficult to port) and Android (which oleg_k and the other devs are working at).

yes android is the best os to port, and maybe ios, would also be possible the wave and iphone are nearly the same in things of hardware.

Porting ANY closed-source operating system is next to impossible. The effort required for such a task is way out of scale and would require dozens of high class experts doing disassembly and binary patching, custom drivers, etc.
Phones hardware platforms are based on dedicated PCB layouts and even having same components in different phones gives no guarantee they are connected same way, to same processor PINs, not mentioning that same processor types come in different packaging. When the phone is not based on the very SAME board as 'donor' device, you can simply forget about putting closed-source OS there.

what about mango, tango, apollo?

what about mango, tango, apollo?
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Yes, very easy task. Also Zumba, Pumba and Dumba possible.
Best Regards

adfree said:
Yes, very easy task. Also Zumba, Pumba and Dumba possible.
Best Regards
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I think the only possible OS besides Android is maybe HP's WebOS. Even if it's half losed source, it's built on top of linux just as Android and the root image is accessible (I already downloaded it ). But even this would be a risky project, as the kernel is not the same version (WebOS 2.2.1 is built on 2.6.29 if I remember well) and the video driver and phone part is totally different...

adfree said:
Yes, very easy task. Also Zumba, Pumba and Dumba possible.
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LOL!!! i didnt ask if its possible or not. but they said porting wp7 is not interesting .
maybe pumba possible? )

adfree said:
Yes, very easy task. Also Zumba, Pumba and Dumba possible.
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what about Mumba, Sumba and Kumba ??

ispanecaaaa said:
what about Mumba, Sumba and Kumba ??
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And there we go... Now microsoft have to choose new names for windows 7.2, 7.3 and 7.4 :-/ ;-p

duxxyuk said:
And there we go... Now microsoft have to choose new names for windows 7.2, 7.3 and 7.4 :-/ ;-p
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Pumba would be great

LOL... DUMBa is a great name for the next microsoft release
i can´t see any advantage is porting wp7 to wave
in fact the only advantages i see in porting android is because of the zillion apps available and the fact its an open OS
if i could have all those apps (or even half..) for bada, i would keep bada
i tried some android phones and some wm7 phones and i feel them slower than my wave 8500
the only 1 that feels as speedy as the wave is the iphone 4

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lol

yes i found some opensource apps, maybe some of them can be ported easy, the games should be easier cause they all using opengl, thank god that the opensource community exists.

my brother has a wp7 phone and i love it. i search through the market and it has lot of interesting games and apps(wp7 was released after bada). imo its much better than bada.

73nokian said:
my brother has a wp7 phone and i love it. i search through the market and it has lot of interesting games and apps(wp7 was released after bada). imo its much better than bada.
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So sell bada phone and buy something with WP. Nobody keep you here

[Q] WM7 for BA?

Anyone been experimenting with porting WM7 core onto a BA?

Stevemann said:
Anyone been experimenting with porting WM7 core onto a BA?
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no one tries to port WM7 on blue angel because of hardware incompatibilities !!
minimum requirement of WM7 : ARMv7 processor, the display must support HVGA, as well as memory and etc

Mate, porting WM7 to the BA is like slamming Vista into a 386. It possible, but then again its also possible to jump off a cliff with an umbrella like in Disney movies. You might survive, but they chances are very, very, very slim.

So Froyo it is then...

if Froyo it allows work on HTC BlueAngel and is still in early stages of development by d-two ~ http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=938512

WP7... naaah. it wont work. you need a snap dragon proceser, capacative screen, lots of ram. it never going to happen also WP7 is not as good as wp6.5 in my opinion

zainuintel said:
... also WP7 is not as good as wp6.5 in my opinion
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I have to agree with you there

I'm sure everyone will agree. Well of course except everyone running Windows Phone 7