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Win xp on ours Diamond phones?

I was digging over internet , may is a ported win xp image for ours Diamonds, but ... nothing. Maybe I was not so good to search ... and someone know?
Tnk s.
Your kindness MadQueen.

I think there is no xp port for diamond(because the specs of the device itself)
CMIIW

see if you can get a virtual machine for the mobile processor architecture. then emulate an x86 processor and load XP in that.
i'll tell you though it wont be a full xp. and it will be slower than a slow thing.

There are currently no versions of Windows XP which run on the ARM processor, and as recently as 6 weeks ago Microsoft wouldn't comment on any plans to ever do one (see this article http://www.thestandard.com/news/2009/03/13/3-reasons-microsoft-shouldnt-port-windows-arm-processor).
Even if they did, RAM requirements and the amount of disk writes the OS naturally does would make the Diamond REALLY work to offer even a mediocre performance standard.
On the subject of emulation....seriously???? I promise you, you're talking about taking a pretty advanced instruction set (x86) and running it on the arm processor (comparatively a child). It's easy to emulate current ARM processing on your current x86 processor, but it doesn't go the other way. I think I have read that some people have done this on some more powerful test hardware before, but the start-up time alone on your phone will be measured in hours, not minutes. If you seriously think this is worth trying, it's theoretically possible today by loading an ARM-compiled version of linux onto the phone (I seem to remember reading a thread about this a while back) and running something like virtualbox to emulate windows. In 6 months, after the install onto the memory card is complete (remember, phone memory alone will certainly be too small), let me know if it starts.

kingoldstyle said:
I was digging over internet , may is a ported win xp image for ours Diamonds, but ... nothing. Maybe I was not so good to search ... and someone know?
Tnk s.
Your kindness MadQueen.
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forget wm and buy the viliv s5

i have heard that win98 is working fine on diamond,i would love to check that but i dont know how!

benko286 said:
i have heard that win98 is working fine on diamond,i would love to check that but i dont know how!
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LOL. This was 1st of aprils joke)))

Well it is April but not the 1st.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=362344

Will future versions feature multi-core processors??

Hi,
Not to long ago samsung released their new dual core processor "Orion" with has some amazing specs. They says it will be up for mass production in frist half of 2011.
Both qualcomm and lg has also new smartphone processors coming next year.
Will future windows phone 7 devices feature this? The snapdragon in the current devices is kinda outdated...
My ultimate windows phone 7 phone would feature:
512 meg ram or more
at least 1GHz Orion or similar dual core processor
800 x 480 or greater super-amoled multitouch screen
4" screen
Sleak design in aluminium

Yeah.
WP7 will get put onto all the new software as its needs to compete with Android and the iPhone.

Although the 1GHz snapdragon is a little outdated now i think some people don't realise that it is still a beast of a processor, and WP7 has been specifically designed to run perfectly on it as it was the minimum requirement for Hardware Manufacturers don't forget.
Having Qualcomms "Still in Development" 1.5 Dual Core inside a device would be fantastic, but it's not going to happen anytime soon (2012 at the earliest) and for the time being that doesn't bother me the slightest as my HD7 runs smooth as anything with what it's got. I doubt a dual-core processor would increase the usuability of any of the WP7 Phones, the only thing it would do is reduce loading times of App's/Games/etc, which is currently only seconds anyway.

Agreed, I believe in Q2 2011, the processors will finally be available for manufactures
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Although the 1GHz snapdragon is a little outdated now i think some people don't realise that it is still a beast of a processor, and WP7 has been specifically designed to run perfectly on it as it was the minimum requirement for Hardware Manufacturers don't forget.
Having Qualcomms "Still in Development" 1.5 Dual Core inside a device would be fantastic, but it's not going to happen anytime soon (2012 at the earliest) and for the time being that doesn't bother me the slightest as my HD7 runs smooth as anything with what it's got. I doubt a dual-core processor would increase the usuability of any of the WP7 Phones, the only thing it would do is reduce loading times of App's/Games/etc, which is currently only seconds anyway.
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True but what about Samsungs Orion then?
The other reason why im waiting for a New wp7 device is the lack of exchangeable storage on all devices...

my only concern is about the compatibility of the Phones with LTE technology as Verizon's LTE network will be up in my area by the end of the year.

i'm waiting 1G ram with using nvidia Tegra 2 cpu + 5-7 point mutil touch

CE7 supports multi-core ARM CPUs. There are plans to move WP7 to CE7 (it's currently on a CE6/7 variant) later on. That should happen before dual core chips are a reality so there's no reason Microsoft won't move to it. I would guess that would come with a major software and hardware spec update, maybe WP8. There's no point in tossing the current WP7 on much more powerful hardware because the software won't take advantage of it. Games and apps will still be targeted at the 1ghz SnapDragon so basically things will just load faster.
People really need to get out of this hardware spec mentality. It doesn't matter if the phone had a 100mhz CPU if it performs well. I know that's hard if you're a techy but you have to focus on the end result, not the pieces that make it happen.
hkcyber said:
i'm waiting 1G ram with using nvidia Tegra 2 cpu + 5-7 point mutil touch
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Is this for real? Why would you need 5-7 touch points? Can you even fit 7 fingers on a 4in screen?

I sure as hell hope that Microsoft won't allow this on Pad devices.
Sure the idea with Pad devices might be good, but not with an OS built for a 4" display.

Sir. Haxalot said:
I sure as hell hope that Microsoft won't allow this on Pad devices.
Sure the idea with Pad devices might be good, but not with an OS built for a 4" display.
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yeah, if MS comes out with a pad, I hope they alter the OS or make a new one optimized for a pad sized screen.

Won't there ever be a Windows Phone 7 Lite ROM?

I was just curious to know this from a long time.
Will there ever be a Lite Windows Phone 7 ROM for phones that are lesser than 1GB processor.
If so, what are some of the things we might have to sacrifice??
Just a question and a no offence to any1...
Thanx...healthy arguments are welcome...

Your beloved X1 or any other non-snapdragon phone doesn't meet requirements, the processor simply isn't capable of running it on instruction level, it requires ARMv7 processor, while all other <Snapdragon are ARMv6 only capable (WM requires ARMv4i).

OndraSter said:
Your beloved X1 or any other non-snapdragon phone doesn't meet requirements, the processor simply isn't capable of running it on instruction level, it requires ARMv7 processor, while all other <Snapdragon are ARMv6 only capable (WM requires ARMv4i).
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Thanx al ot for ur reply..I got it...no WinPhone 7 for me....
BUt how about a Lite ROM???
Minus a few things mayb....its the famous game of 'wait and watch'

WP7 IS Lite, the only thing you could remove is all 3D animations and such, which probably would require deep changes in the core which also probably would break compatibility with all WP7 Apps. You would also need to recompile the OS for versions lower than ARMv7, which would require the source code, which only Microsoft have. Microsoft know exactly what they are doing so they wont open support for old crap devices. There is a reason that they broke backwards capability.
TL;DR: Get a new phone instead, there will never be a "lite" ROM of this.

Sir. Haxalot said:
WP7 IS Lite, the only thing you could remove is all 3D animations and such, which probably would require deep changes in the core which also probably would break compatibility with all WP7 Apps. You would also need to recompile the OS for versions lower than ARMv7, which would require the source code, which only Microsoft have. Microsoft know exactly what they are doing so they wont open support for old crap devices. There is a reason that they broke backwards capability.
TL;DR: Get a new phone instead, there will never be a "lite" ROM of this.
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Sigh...
Sad but true. Thanx anyways...its a lil bit like IE9 not being compatible with XP....

Such a ROM would be instantly banned from XBox Live, etc. when you try to connect. Microsoft already has the infrastructure in place to do it. I would be a dumb phone with a cute UI, basically.
Same goes for WP7 ROMs ported to other devices.

circleofomega said:
i was just curious to know this from a long time.
Will there ever be a lite windows phone 7 rom for phones that are lesser than 1gb processor.
If so, what are some of the things we might have to sacrifice??
Just a question and a no offence to any1...
Thanx...healthy arguments are welcome...
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ha ha ha ha no never ever ever !!!!! Supporting devices slower than 1ghz was why windows mobile was introuble in the first place they allowed their os on crappy devices!!!!! Now windows phone 7 will never be on crap phones with these new restrictions and i agree with the minimum requirements 100% go microsoft for killing low-end crap windows mobile crashboxes

Also there is no need for Microsoft to develop a Windows Phone 7 Lite for new entry-level handsets. At the moment Windows Phone 7 is used only in high-end handsets, because of the strict hardware-requirements. But with time, this hardware will become cheaper and therefore Windows Phone 7 will be available in entry-level handsets. I guess you can get a WP7 device for 200€ instead of the current 500€ in two year.

What does 'entry level handset' mean?

circleofomega said:
What does 'entry level handset' mean?
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A phone that is cheap to buy, unlike the current phones (200 with 2 year contract)

desolateone1 said:
A phone that is cheap to buy, unlike the current phones (200 with 2 year contract)
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getting my hd7 for 100 with corporate discount. Is that entry level enough?!?

Well Folks
What say
http://www.unwiredview.com/2010/04/...e-launched-in-india-other-developing-markets/
http://www.tech-exclusive.com/microsoft-to-launch-cheap-windows-phone-7-in-india/

[Q] WP7 on a Samsung device

Okay,
So as known there are already dev's working toward WP7 on a HD2.
This got me wondering as a Galaxy S owner,
could we port WP7 to a Galaxy S
- I know this has already been asked BUT, When people say no I don't think they've really thought about it
I mean there's like 2 samsung WP7 handsets, the Catus is extremely similar to the Galaxy S, in terms of hardware they're most likely identical... so surely there would be no need to write new drivers/ or there would be minimal work needed on drivers.
Obviously I'm not a Dev, but I do have a basic understanding of programming and computers ect.
Just thought i'd put it out there...
Look forward to any replies

The Galaxy S is running a Samsung platform called Hummingbird, while the Foscus and Omnia 7 is running Snapdragon, like all other WP7 headsets. Right there we have a pretty major problem with drivers.

ahh, hadn't seen that
i just presumed that the samsungs would be running hummingbird and then the WP7 OS would be running different drivers to account for that.
However- surelyy if the WP7 OS is written anyway like Windows is written it would be "possible".
And structurally is there much of a difference between Hummingbird and snapdragon processors, I only ask as Hackintosh machines have been built to run AMD processors which are not intel (Obviously there is a difference between Hackintoshes and small handsets).
So apart from that small (huge most likely fatal difference) is there anything else that is massively difference is that driver(s) then once the HD2mod os is done then the drivers could be worked on - i'd be up for development and testing...

Also the phone will be missing the firmware that WP7 uses to authenticate with Marketplace and other Microsoft services, just like the HD2 will.
So, it will be a Glorified Featurephone, just like the HD2.
Not to mention the driver issue mentioned upthread.
And no, you cannot compare a Hackintosh to smartphones.

firmware used to authenticate with the marketplace and other microsoft services could surely be modified or emulated ?
Yeah I mean the Hackintosh/AMD was the only one that springs to mind but I'm sure theres other examples where a driver has been written or modified to run a processor on an OS that the hardware wasn't built for..
Or perhaps running a layer of emulation between two processor drivers ? (i'm probably speaking complete crap but if we got a bootable kernel then worked it then sat in an emulation layer above the actual hummingbird drivers and hardware ?

Who will write the hummingbird drivers from scratch?
Good luck emulating that stuff, BTW.
You still have to have a valid certificate (or whatever it is) for the phone to authenticate with Microsoft's servers, the same way you have to have a Genuine Windows License when Windows Genuine Advantage checks (can use a fake one to install, but when it checks it won't pass).
Now that I've thought about it a bit, I guess you can compare it to hackintoshes. Since it takes many hacks to get them onto non-WP7 devices with the same or similar hardware, and it will be crippled without Microsoft's "dongle" in the device

Okay Okay,
so I guess pretty unlikely to be able to do haha
I might have a look to see if I can get hold of the drivers and open them up look at differences, Ideally we need a hummingbird on android but that's very unlikely because as fore-mentioned it's a Samsung only android processor. A snapdragon on android would kinda help as then you'd have two comparable device drivers, but they'd be in the wrong coding for WP7...
meh, I give up for now.
but thanks for answering my question anyway

port WP7 on wave is it possible?

why we want to port WP7 on wave?
1. at this moment all wp7 phones use same CPU (QSD 8250) and it's GPU was "Adreno 200" --- (SGX543MP2(iPad2) > SGX 543 = Adreno 220 > SGX540 (@300MHz) > Geforce ULP [Tegra2] > SGX 540 (@200MHz) = Mali -400 >> Adreno 205 > SGX 535 >> Adreno 200 = SGX 530.)
2. Our wave have the SGX540 GPU,if wp7 port on wave i think it'll more fast than Adreno 200
3. i hear some news ,microsoft will Release a tool it can port almost all android APP to WP7 so in the Future WP7 will be the NO1
4. wp7 more fast than android
I known it's very hard to do ,it just my opinion if it's wrong please forgive me
sorry for my bad english

3 or 4 users work on Android port, without full function... so NOT successfully finished. Since months.
If you have free time, please start with your project to port WP7...
We all count on you.
Good Luck

Its very hard to port the WP7 to wave because WP7 used only qualcomm processer so far but wave using hummingbird processer..porting android is somewhat easier than WP7 because galaxy s and wave almost share the same hardware..also i dont think you can achieve solid performance in wave with other os..

yes winphone 7 has 18 points at the html5 test, even bada 1.2 has 187 very inteligent. a system that can nothing even playing divx to port it on a device that has a system that can more. you should by a phone7 device, than we all are happy.

Of course, bada is a good system

I think that we don't obtain a significative advance in porting Windows Phone 7 to our waves, because Win7 doesn't have much more apps and it is not as extended as Android. You can try with MeeGo or Maemo but the result will be the same: not a really benefit.
The only OSs which are really interesting are iOS (extremely difficult to port) and Android (which oleg_k and the other devs are working at).

yes android is the best os to port, and maybe ios, would also be possible the wave and iphone are nearly the same in things of hardware.

Porting ANY closed-source operating system is next to impossible. The effort required for such a task is way out of scale and would require dozens of high class experts doing disassembly and binary patching, custom drivers, etc.
Phones hardware platforms are based on dedicated PCB layouts and even having same components in different phones gives no guarantee they are connected same way, to same processor PINs, not mentioning that same processor types come in different packaging. When the phone is not based on the very SAME board as 'donor' device, you can simply forget about putting closed-source OS there.

what about mango, tango, apollo?

what about mango, tango, apollo?
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Yes, very easy task. Also Zumba, Pumba and Dumba possible.
Best Regards

adfree said:
Yes, very easy task. Also Zumba, Pumba and Dumba possible.
Best Regards
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I think the only possible OS besides Android is maybe HP's WebOS. Even if it's half losed source, it's built on top of linux just as Android and the root image is accessible (I already downloaded it ). But even this would be a risky project, as the kernel is not the same version (WebOS 2.2.1 is built on 2.6.29 if I remember well) and the video driver and phone part is totally different...

adfree said:
Yes, very easy task. Also Zumba, Pumba and Dumba possible.
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LOL!!! i didnt ask if its possible or not. but they said porting wp7 is not interesting .
maybe pumba possible? )

adfree said:
Yes, very easy task. Also Zumba, Pumba and Dumba possible.
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what about Mumba, Sumba and Kumba ??

ispanecaaaa said:
what about Mumba, Sumba and Kumba ??
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And there we go... Now microsoft have to choose new names for windows 7.2, 7.3 and 7.4 :-/ ;-p

duxxyuk said:
And there we go... Now microsoft have to choose new names for windows 7.2, 7.3 and 7.4 :-/ ;-p
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Pumba would be great

LOL... DUMBa is a great name for the next microsoft release
i can´t see any advantage is porting wp7 to wave
in fact the only advantages i see in porting android is because of the zillion apps available and the fact its an open OS
if i could have all those apps (or even half..) for bada, i would keep bada
i tried some android phones and some wm7 phones and i feel them slower than my wave 8500
the only 1 that feels as speedy as the wave is the iphone 4

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what about Mumba, Sumba and Kumba ??
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lol

yes i found some opensource apps, maybe some of them can be ported easy, the games should be easier cause they all using opengl, thank god that the opensource community exists.

my brother has a wp7 phone and i love it. i search through the market and it has lot of interesting games and apps(wp7 was released after bada). imo its much better than bada.

73nokian said:
my brother has a wp7 phone and i love it. i search through the market and it has lot of interesting games and apps(wp7 was released after bada). imo its much better than bada.
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So sell bada phone and buy something with WP. Nobody keep you here