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I would suggest that the Desire forum be combined with the Nexus One and called Bravo. They are the same device with a couple small variations. Other devices (Universal comes to mind) had hardware variants but were not broken out into 2 sub forums.
-Mc
It's a different phone though, it has Sense UI and more Ram.
It's like the G1 and HTC Magic being the same apart from the Magic having no keyboard... they still have different forums.
Sense UI is a software front end (and ALL variants have different software). And the Universal also has different versions, some with double the RAM of others. It is the same device, same platform, same hardware. Since you can install the Nexus One ROM on the Desire with NO porting, it's the same device. They also have identical hardware specs with the exception of a little more RAM to accommodate Sense and the optical joystick.
The Magic and G1 were completely different in the sense that one had a keyboard and one did not. If the Desire had a physical keyboard, I'd agree with you.
This will do nothing but segment development and resources.
But it is different hardware, considering the 64mb more ram and the missing second mic and the hard buttons instead of soft touch buttons and the optical mouse.
And the porting, i think there was some kind of changes, or why else is there already alpha version 7 when not cause of the bugs?
Is this enough different hardware to give it its own forum?
Also i´m quite sure, that rooting might be kind of harder than on the nexus, or does anybody know something about it yet?
so should the developer versions of Google phones get their own forum? HTC has slightly changed devices throughout it's history but we've never given them their own subforum.
e.g.
The HTC Kaiser has a front facing camera. AT&T's does not. Did the Tilt get it's own forum?
The original Universal had 64MB of RAM. The updated T-Mobile version has 128. Did it get it's own forum?
The HTC 620, 621, and 622 had differences, one didn't have WiFi, the others did.
The HTC Wizard is different enough between some versions that if you flash a ROM from one on to the other, it will kill it.
Some devices have Sense, some do not. Should they get their own forums? And what happens if the ones that didn't suddenly get SenseUI in an update. Do they lose their own forums?
Look, I don't own XDA and those that do can certainly do what they want. But I've gone through the FCC documents and looked at the ROMimages between the two. They are the same device with differences exactly like the examples I used above (and there are many more). Segmenting the two only hampers development efforts.
-Mc
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The HTC 620, 621, and 622 had differences, one didn't have WiFi, the others did.
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Not only that, but the S640. Telus only device, different chasis then those, CDMA, but some people were saying it should be lumped in with the other 6XX line.
I don't know about you but the HTC Sapphire Forums is littered between 32A and 32B ROMs.
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I don't know about you but the HTC Sapphire Forums is littered between 32A and 32B ROMs.
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Agreed... N1/Desire should be kept seperate!
Especially since they probaly do not share hboots and radios... So keeping the forums seperate minimizes risks of people flashing wrong stuff (as was seen on 32A/B quite often)
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Agreed... N1/Desire should be kept seperate!
Especially since they probaly do not share hboots and radios... So keeping the forums seperate minimizes risks of people flashing wrong stuff (as was seen on 32A/B quite often)
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They DO share hboots and radios. They are the same phone. That's my point. Next, we'll start new sub forums for different case colors or carriers or logos or...
If they share radio/hboot they can flash the same ROMs without porting? If that is so, they should have the same section in my opinion.
The partition layouts are different on the devices. So no...you cant just take a rom from one and have it work straight away.
People have managed to get Desire Roms running on the n1, but they had to move system data to the data partition to do so.
The Desire is also unlikley to be rootable via unlocking the bootloader. If we put both devices in one section it would just confuse the nooblets.
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If we put both devices in one section it would just confuse the nooblets.
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Man if we used THAT as a compass around here, we'd be better off closing the site entirely. You can confuse them no matter what you do. Again, look at the Universal threads. Different RAM sizes but both versions lived happily ever after in the same forum. This site was NEVER intended for newbs. It shouldn't. If it did, most of us would leave.
How much do you guys wanna bet that many ROM's will be made in Nexus1 and Desire flavors. How many LITE ROMS have you seen on XDA? A lite ROM will work on either device without ANY porting or special mods. Why not have them in the same thread/forum?
I think if their roms are cross compatible, why not have the development sections mergered? They could have separate sections but once some1 clicks on development for N1 or Desire they are lead to the same page.
yes this could be the best as i see it. there are differences, radio buttons etc,,, there might be other differences for general question etc. but if the two of them have the same structure for roms then maedhros suggested the best, why not having them into one development section!
if any1 can proove for me that they share the exact same spl, radio and partition layout then im on it! as it could be the last extra rams that have been used for the /system partition else i think it is like mixing up da hero and sapphire as they are close, but biggest difference is software based
I agree that If the 2 are proved to be identical in development terms upon the desires release, then the forums could be merged, with perhaps a couple of stickies at the top explaining what you need to do to root the phone before you can use the roms. However this should not be done until this proven conclusively on a released phone.
IF roms that can be used on both devices using the same unlocking techniques become a reality, i will take this suggestion up with administration.
(But that won't be soon)
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Man if we used THAT as a compass around here, we'd be better off closing the site entirely. You can confuse them no matter what you do. Again, look at the Universal threads. Different RAM sizes but both versions lived happily ever after in the same forum. This site was NEVER intended for newbs. It shouldn't. If it did, most of us would leave.
How much do you guys wanna bet that many ROM's will be made in Nexus1 and Desire flavors. How many LITE ROMS have you seen on XDA? A lite ROM will work on either device without ANY porting or special mods. Why not have them in the same thread/forum?
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This is an absolute appalling comment. Condescending and unhelpful. Everyone has to start at some point and a vast silent majority of people visit the site to learn and root... Unless one can prove that you cannot harm one of the devices by using a ROM for the other, the threads should be separated, even if it cost a few duplicates...
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This is an absolute appalling comment. Condescending and unhelpful. Everyone has to start at some point and a vast silent majority of people visit the site to learn and root... Unless one can prove that you cannot harm one of the devices by using a ROM for the other, the threads should be separated, even if it cost a few duplicates...
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You either took it wrong or are being a troll. XDA is a developers and hackers forum. We are all newbs at some point but this forum isn't designed for the newb. It's designed for the hacker/developer. I'm not ripping on newbs for being newbs. Hell, I'm a newb again as I just got my AT&T Nexus One yesterday - my first Android phone. But I'm reading and searching and won't have a reason to ask a question for quite some time. All of the information is already here on XDA. Newbs are welcome but we expect them to SEARCH and READ before asking a lot of questions. Some do, some don't. But if we dumbed down the forum, it would ruin it. There'd be so much crap to wade through and so many duplicate threads it'd be too time consuming to do so. THAT was my point.
Maybe we should have separate Desire forums for the silver version and a separate forum for the charcoal version. That should help, right? Because newbs who don't read are going to ask over and over if the ROM being discussed will work on their particular color of Desire. And that won't make anything confusing, right? Some ROMS posted in one forum and some posted in the other (just like the Desire vs. Nexus One). People will continually ask if the ROM will work on their device because it was in a different forum.
And FYI, you can harm the device just as easy using the correct ROM on the same device, or by running a simple command, or... If they read everything before they start, they will have no problems. If they don't read, well, we can't hold their hands.
This forum is catered to experienced hackers. We will help newbs through every part of every process, but this is still a forum for experienced hackers. If you don't like that, find a place that spoon feeds or does things for you. And if this place ever turns into a forum that spoon feeds and everyone asks to do things for them, most of us will surely leave. Then who will help them?
the question is why not?
Why is it important to you to keep them in one section? are you thinking about server space utilizing ?
I mean what is the harm of making them in separate sections (what is the harm to you)?
I am sorry if this should have been posted in general, but I think it has to do with development.
I just found some info about a program called 'Simple root', currently only for the Evo 4G. From what I have read it is a program to root your device with just a few clicks (so noob proof).
I wanted to notify you about this, first of all. Second, do you guys think it is possible to make something like this for the Desire? Or does the one for Evo also work for the Desire?
I am really a biiiiig NOOB regarding rooting etc, so this would be perfect for me. And I think a lot of other noobs would be happy as well.
Again, sorry if I did something wrong here (duplicate thread, wrong section, etc)
Kind Regards, Mark
Edit: THE LINK down below
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=706411
that would be too awesome
Honestly, I'm sorry, but what's the point? The current methods are easy enough - if you can't (not saying you, just someone generally) can't follow those, I can see a few stupid threads coming up:
i tried 2 root my desire bt it sed it failed wot do i do
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And they'll be clueless as to how to extract debugging messages. I may be alone in my opinion, but I thought I'd share it
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Honestly, I'm sorry, but what's the point? The current methods are easy enough - if you can't (not saying you, just someone generally) can't follow those, I can see a few stupid threads coming up:
And they'll be clueless as to how to extract debugging messages. I may be alone in my opinion, but I thought I'd share it
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i second that
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Honestly, I'm sorry, but what's the point? The current methods are easy enough - if you can't (not saying you, just someone generally) can't follow those, I can see a few stupid threads coming up:
And they'll be clueless as to how to extract debugging messages. I may be alone in my opinion, but I thought I'd share it
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Yeah, it should be kept as elitist as possible. I think only people with 10 years coding experience and a self compiled version of their own linux kernal should be allowed to root their phones.
Seriously, come on. Making it friendly is not a bad idea. I know what I'm doing, and I'd still rather press 1 button over all other current options. It makes no difference because I had no trouble following rooting instructions from r1 up to r6. I just think simpler is better.
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Honestly, I'm sorry, but what's the point? The current methods are easy enough - if you can't (not saying you, just someone generally) can't follow those, I can see a few stupid threads coming up:
And they'll be clueless as to how to extract debugging messages. I may be alone in my opinion, but I thought I'd share it
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Dude, 1-click root is a better method than buying 3/4 sd cards to create a gold card. Whenever a better solution/design comes up, people leave the old stuff behind.
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Yeah, it should be kept as elitist as possible. I think only people with 10 years coding experience and a self compiled version of their own linux kernal should be allowed to root their phones.
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maybe not this pro but if someone is rooting a phone, that person should know a little bit about what he is doing. its not rocketscience, every body can learn it, but if we start making stupid-one-klick-iam-an-idiot-rooting than no one will try to learn it.....
i agree with last post but....
nowhere in development does it even explain what things like dalvik cache or kernels actually. i reckon alot of people here into flashing and tinkering with their phones are just following instructions. ie there's a difference between a qualified mechanic and someone that messes around under the bonnet at the weekend.
in terms of rooting i found this guide the most useful, it has all the files you need and has a VIDEO walkthrough. SIMPLE really SIMPLE. requires no linux, coding or anything.
http://theunlockr.com/2010/06/07/how-to-root-the-htc-desire/
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nowhere in development does it even explain what things like dalvik cache or kernels actually.
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XDA is a resource, a good resource is that, but it is not complete. Even Wikipedia is not complete, if you think about it.
Copying everything to one place will just cause redundant (and possibly outdated) information. Let the people who know what they're talking about, do so (i.e. Cyanogen).
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Yeah, it should be kept as elitist as possible. I think only people with 10 years coding experience and a self compiled version of their own linux kernal should be allowed to root their phones.
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I can't even tell if your misspelling of "kernel" is intentional.
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Seriously, come on. Making it friendly is not a bad idea. I know what I'm doing, and I'd still rather press 1 button over all other current options. It makes no difference because I had no trouble following rooting instructions from r1 up to r6. I just think simpler is better.
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So the current version is unfriendly? Another reason against making this process wholly autonomous is that you'd then have to waste someone else's time writing an application to fix the USB issues, because there's going to be people who got used to the easy of a giant button labelled "Click here to root" so now do not know what adb is.
Simplification can cause loss of information. Suppose the case comes around where the program crashes in a rare event, but the adb connection stays open. It's also far too cumbersome to catch every error, such as an invalid goldcard or the SD card being out of space. If the rooting process was a kernel exploit, this wouldn't be a problem. See below.
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Dude, 1-click root is a better method than buying 3/4 sd cards to create a gold card. Whenever a better solution/design comes up, people leave the old stuff behind.
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This is a completely different argument. You have assumed there is a 1-click rooting method available, which there isn't (yet). The only way your argument would hold is if there was a kernel exploit available currently that gave you root, but you only got it uncompiled and had to do the legwork yourself - which isn't the case. The actual argument was about converting the existing method to a few clicks as possible.
It's easy enough as is. We're not iPhone users after all, we don't need big shiny buttons to understand
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maybe not this pro but if someone is rooting a phone, that person should know a little bit about what he is doing. its not rocketscience, every body can learn it, but if we start making stupid-one-klick-iam-an-idiot-rooting than no one will try to learn it.....
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this is true - but there are developers and there are consumers.
anything that represents 'progress' should be seriously looked at.
I think fake-flash is just one excellent example where something that wasn't especially complicated in the first has been made way simpler.....
My reply was deleted?
Current method is easy enough. We need FULL root, easy way or not =)
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this is true - but there are developers and there are consumers.
anything that represents 'progress' should be seriously looked at.
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Sure,but i think there are more important things to do than making a 1-click-root.
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Sure,but i think there are more important things to do than making a 1-click-root.
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There always will be something more important than something else, but it's in no way an argument against doing it.
Hi, as I am not overly fond of the android operating system,
is the hardware such that you could flash a 6.5 windows mobile rom onto the desire?
is it worthwhile trying?
It is impossible, android is open source and thus can be modified to run on diffrent hardware, windows mobile isnt, plus we have diff bootloaders to winmo phones so a flash wud be impossible
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Do people literally NEVER use the search feature then?
How many people are going to post the same ridiculously foolish question?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=693158
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=697718
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=6731090
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=677930
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=675647
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=6183231
Use the bloody search.
its not a foolish question, i have been active on various sections of xda developers forums and have contributed and gained from each of them, tinkering with a variety of models, I was thinking of buying a desire but wanted to see just how much I can mess with it first .
I have found the majority of people on these forums to be helpful and whilst I understand your frustration, I will be new to this part of the site. And with so many threads its not always easy to find exactly what your looking for
What differs in the hardware to make it impossible? is it just partitioning of the space on the phone? surely if someone wrote a bootloader it would be possible?
If you want to dual boot, you might want to get a HD2 instead, my understanding is that the android rom is in developement.
The desire is pretty much a pure Anroid phone, im not sure that there would be much demand to get winmo workingon it since most people have switched from winmo out of choice and don't really feel the need to go back, but thats just my slant on it. crazier things have happened on this forum.
For starters the drivers were written using the android open source project, every single driver for every tiny piece of hardware would habe to be rewritten lol
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i have read your other posts and understand your frustrations but the whole reason I buy each model is to see how much I can mess with it
would be interesting to see such development in the ROM developement section
but if there is a technical reason why its impossible ( apart from the lack of SPL)
then someone please tell me, as I have not brought the handset yet hehe
what I always say is where there is a will there is a way
as for why ? i dont know... just to see if it can be broken - whats the point in having system you cant break or change Zzzzz
although I do appreciate somethings are impossible.
Can some one explain (if any) the differences in hardware from the hd2 to the desire that will make this task impossile ?
would be much appreciated xxx thanks
I doubt it'd be impossible - but it's take a huge ammount of R&D and developers on here don't have that sort of time/money to undertake such a task...
Just get an HD2 if you want WinMo (can buy my old one if you want? )
The rock bottom is it wud be illegal, it would be in violation of microsofts intelectual rights and for that matter is neva gunna happen here, when we owned windows phones we bought a licence to use windows mobile, with our desire we get no such licence, this would also make it piracy
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With that argument surely baking and distributing custom ROMs would also be illegal? Do that on a Windows PC and you'd get sued!!
But yeah, agree with you
Microsoft have tried to shut xda dwn for that reason many times, but they have always backed down, if a project lyk this was started on a non winmo phone i guarantee they wudnt
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its not a foolish question
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It is when it's been asked and answered multiple times. Being such a long standing XDA user you'd think you'd have had a gander at the rules by now or at least attempt to adhere to them.
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And with so many threads its not always easy to find exactly what your looking for
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The 6 posts I posted were found with a single search of "Windows Mobile, Desire" up in that search box you completely ignored. So, yes, it is easy...you just didn't even try.
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With that argument surely baking and distributing custom ROMs would also be illegal?
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Android is open source...Windows Mobile isn't.
I have seen many questions asking if windows mobile can be ported to the desire. But this post explains it better than any other why it can't.
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Aitese said:
Android is open source...Windows Mobile isn't.
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That's what I meant, Microsoft sueing chefs for distributing custom WinMo ROMs...I know Android doesn't matter
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It is when it's been asked and answered multiple times. Being such a long standing XDA user you'd think you'd have had a gander at the rules by now or at least attempt to adhere to them.
The 6 posts I posted were found with a single search of "Windows Mobile, Desire" up in that search box you completely ignored. So, yes, it is easy...you just didn't even try.
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Aitese, I do understand your frustration, multiple posts are a no no yes, but I was putting a different slant on it. ie I didnt really grasp from the other threads technically what was stopping us from achieving this task so thats not stupid in my opinion and hasnt been broken down in major detail. My curiosity is that the HD2 and desire seem exactly the same in terms of hardware, yet people suggest that swapping operating systems is impossible.
however, I do now accept that it may not be worth doing
but none of the previous threads seem to explain why that is in any great technical detail (no doubt ul find this now haha), at least now we have discovered whats stopping some one from doing it.
ps I reserve all right to be a lazy noob, to my knowledge I have not broken any other forum rules, as this is not exactly a double post, similar subject yes but if anything this thread would save a curious person like myself from attempting something that might be infringement ..
at least now I wont try
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I doubt it'd be impossible - but it's take a huge ammount of R&D and developers on here don't have that sort of time/money to undertake such a task...
Just get an HD2 if you want WinMo (can buy my old one if you want? )
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.. how much ; )
ps what varies from the desire to the hd2 in terms of hardware
looks like nowt
love this thread!
ive been trying to get away from my touch HD to android - had to go via a free HD2 upgrade to get here......trust me, windows needs a major overall to tempt me to go back
thats what everybody says .. but my curiosity is that in terms of hardware specs the hd2 and the desire look the same, apart from a bit more ram on the desire ?!?
so... er ... why would the drivers vary that much ?
pls be patient with me I just like messing with stuff
on further playing with android I must say it does seem to have the edge over win mob
persisting with this annoying thread (sorry guys) but what is to stop me using mtty to format my device and flashing the hd2 stock rom to the desire?
ie what would the compatibilty issues be? (as by looks of it hardware is the same give or take a bit of extra ram)
could this be done, and would it just be a case of using a tweaked RUU that would ignore the model number? would this work?
I am guessing the buttons would have to be remapped but what other compatibilty issues would there be ? basically is it possible or is the file structure totally different in a way that would not allow it?
(ps sorry if its something obvious and im making myself look a dummy but from what I can see the HD2 and the Desire are very similar in spec)
Hey,
Maybe a noob question. I have searched and searched without greater success... so please be kind.
I'm in need to do something about low RAM and lousy battery life. Thus flashing a cooked ROM is starting to surface.
However, how safe is this? I mean, I'll probably pick one of the well-known builders like LEEDroic or Ace's, but how would you rate the risks for spoofing, hacking or other malware incorporated in these builds?
I know just being connedted is a risk .- but this takes it one step further. I'm not paranoid, but I do have some sensitive data like Ewallet/Flexwallet with Credit Card info for reminders...
All you guys flashing - ROM's that is - do you have any sensitive data at all?
Many thanks.
Your humble noob
robned said:
However, how safe is this? I mean, I'll probably pick one of the well-known builders like LEEDroic or Ace's, but how would you rate the risks for spoofing, hacking or other malware incorporated in these builds?
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I stopped reading there. Seriously, if you have this kind of concerns, lock into your house, close the windows and never go out.
Lol Terepin, you are funny most of the time but you can't go trolling around every single nab on the board. Nhf.
This is a legitimate website. How do you know those apps you trusted your personal data are legitimate?
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Lol Terepin, you are funny most of the time but you can't go trolling around every single nab on the board. Nhf.
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Lol Terepin, you are funny most of the time but you can't go trolling around every single nab on the board. Nhf.
This is a legitimate website. How do you know those apps you trusted your personal data are legitimate?
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10chars.
Please use the Q&A Forum for questions Thanks
Moving to Q&A
There seems to be a lot of confusion going on between the gsm and cdma versions of the Wildfire S, and people are causing big problems for themselves by not reading(or cant read), plus its also a headache for other users trying to pick thru useless information to get what they need. Maybe a little to late, but is there anyway to split this forum up?
Good idea, was thinking of the same thing to do.
The forum can be split, I've done it on PHPBB3, I don't know whether it works on VBulletin (Isn't that what this forum uses? Correct me if i'm wrong.)
Thirded, would help stop stupid people (like myself) from bricking their phones by flashing the wrong ROM ;_;
I agree, this should be done. I too bricked my first wildfire s after trying to use the "stock roms" listed in the stickied thread at the top of this forum. Stuff in that post is kinda mixed, or mislabeled, or even unlabeled. I don't recall seeing anything about GSM only roms on the few I looked at, but there is a chance I did over look it.
but yes, Wildfire S CDMA thread split!!!!
Idea is gold. Already quasi-bricked one phone
Good idea, will save a lot of hassle and money, in some cases.
sounds like a plan!!!
This is a good idea, even more so bc it appears that a lot of people have jumped on the holiday deals for the Virgin mobile WFS. Please split this thread!
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This is a good idea, even more so bc it appears that a lot of people have jumped on the holiday deals for the Virgin mobile WFS. Please split this thread!
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I'm one of those folks but at least I already own an Android tablet so rooting, etc. wasn't a new concept. But since I already lost 5 bucks (not very much I know) purchasing a case for the "other" Wildfire S instead of the Virgin Mobile one I think it's a great idea.
Related question: I searched but perhaps didn't use the correct magic combination of search terms. Is there a thread somewhere that explains the differences between the different versions of the phone? Things like size, location of ports that sort of thing so my case problem will never happen again?
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bsoplinger said:
I'm one of those folks but at least I already own an Android tablet so rooting, etc. wasn't a new concept. But since I already lost 5 bucks (not very much I know) purchasing a case for the "other" Wildfire S instead of the Virgin Mobile one I think it's a great idea.
Related question: I searched but perhaps didn't use the correct magic combination of search terms. Is there a thread somewhere that explains the differences between the different versions of the phone? Things like size, location of ports that sort of thing so my case problem will never happen again?
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The virgin mobile one is called A510c which is a CDMA phone. As you know, CDMA phones don't have a sim card slot. I'm not quite sure about the A510a version. A510b has a slower processor as compared to the A510e which has a 600MHz processor.
Hope this helped!
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I agree with this tread.
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I would concur. Much like Hero and Hero CDMA or other variants. I tried to port the Euro version over to the CDMA side last night. No working touchscreen; which, sucks when it boots up to a lockscreen Anyway, the devices are quite different.
Rob