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Flashing with pvt4 and 0.93

Ok so i am pretty confused, i have rooted my phone. But not got S-OFF because of it being pvt4. Does this mean i cant flash a custom ROM?
I really wanna flash this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=829734
Also, is it essential i have to make a goldcard?
HTC Desire 2.2 (Rooted) On TMOBILE UK with PVT4 and HBOOT 0.93

SeanBond said:
Ok so i am pretty confused, i have rooted my phone. But not got S-OFF because of it being pvt4. Does this mean i cant flash a custom ROM?
I really wanna flash this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=829734
Also, is it essential i have to make a goldcard?
HTC Desire 2.2 (Rooted) On TMOBILE UK with PVT4 and HBOOT 0.93
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Is your device PVT4 old (20000) or PVT4 new (40000)?
Read this thread to find out how to check this - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=853583
You shouldn't have any problems rooting and flashing custom ROMs if your device has a PVT4 20000 erasesize. Use unrEVOked v3.22, safe and best successful method so far.
If your PVT4 has an erasesize of 40000, then i know of only of certain number of ROMs that have been confirmed to work with this type of device - Oxygen, LeeDroid's, ReflexTSenseHD, and MIUI.
You should not have a problem flashing any of these custom ROMs with the modified CWM-AlphaRev Recovery 2.5.1.3, which you must install with unrEVOked if your phone has an erasesize of 40000
As you were originally branded to T-Mobile, you will need to create a Gold Card only if you want to revert back to your original stock ROM (i.e. later on for warranty reasons). You should be able to find your original RUU by searching shipped-roms.com.

Thanks for the detailed reply!
I dont really care about the warrenty thing etc, and i could always do that later i guess.
Ill have a check now on what it is.
So will apps2sd still work etc?
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Ok, i have checked and i have 2000! YUPPEEEE!
I have already rooted with unrEVOked, does this mean that i need to again? i also have clockwork

A2SD+/Data2SD will work fine for you and since you are already rooted, you will not need to re-root or reinstall clockwork either. Flash away in confidence
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Awesome, do i need to make a partition to do a2sd? and does it matter i dont have S-OFF?
Cheers for the help man

Yes you will need to, all custom roms require this prerequisite really. You can use Rom Manager to achieve this, it allows you to create up to an SD-EXT size of 512 MB for dedicated app data space. If you require a bigger EXT partition use AmonRa and flash with unrevoked, or use GParted - there are plenty guides on the forum on how to do this.
Yes, you dont need s-off, unless you want full root access to your phone.
Edit: sorry for the delay in replying... still trying to get use to swype.
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Not too bothered about full root tbh, aslong as i have a2sd.
Cheers for the help mate

Then you are good to go after you make your ext partition
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Just backing up my SD card now, the only thing i will miss is the sence clock

I don't use that clock anymore, nor do I use sense UI... I'm a fully fledged miui convert
If you want the sense clock, search the marketplace for 'sense clock widget', there are many variations - customisable too
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Yeah ill have a look, i might look at some other options too.
I <3 the clock though, its actually one of the reasons i got an HTC lol

SeanBond said:
Yeah ill have a look, i might look at some other options too.
I <3 the clock though, its actually one of the reasons i got an HTC lol
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Well if that's your thing then by all means, go for it

I totally understand where you are coming from though... I used to love sense ui and everything it had to offer but once I tried miui, I was amazed at how good it actually was/is, running out of superlatives for it
You could also give the DHD roms a go (ported from Desire HD), as they include the cool new sense features.
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Sorry for hijacking the thread, I've read the discussion so far but I have a question, it seems SeanBond did not debrand b4 rooting and went ahead to install a custom rom. Pls can I do same as I'm presently using a O2 branded phone, do advise me
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scorror said:
Sorry for hijacking the thread, I've read the discussion so far but I have a question, it seems SeanBond did not debrand b4 rooting and went ahead to install a custom rom. Pls can I do same as I'm presently using a O2 branded phone, do advise me
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No need to apologise and its good that you are making the effort to ask before a mistake is made, so i appreciate that.
He did debrand by using unrEVOked - it does not require you to use a Gold Card for it and provides you with root access (software root) to the phone. Only when you want to return to stock rom, you then you will need to create and use a Gold Card before running the appropriate RUU. If you want to create a Gold Card, use the one in my sig below.

Thanks. Do I need to create a gold card first b4 installing a custom rom or when I want to return to stock. Or if I'm on custom rom it's possible to still create a gold card thereafter
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Yeah i didnt make a goldcard.
Was pretty easy, flashed right from ROM manager.

scorror said:
Thanks. Do I need to create a gold card first b4 installing a custom rom or when I want to return to stock. Or if I'm on custom rom it's possible to still create a gold card thereafter
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You have two options here.
If you are branded and want to root in order to install a custom ROM, then you either create a Gold Card to unlock the phone's CID, just use unrEVOked, which does not require the creation of a Gold Card and provides you with root access to your phone, thus allowing you to flash custom roms, custom kernels, and custom radios. I don't know the full workings of unrEVOked, but it bypassed your phones CID lock feature and does not require you to create a Gold Card.
You only need to create a Gold Card if you want to return to stock rom as you were originally network branded.

How do they know? there is nothing visual that shows its branded?

SeanBond said:
How do they know? there is nothing visual that shows its branded?
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Software branding, for instance, when you boot the phone, it will show your network carrier splashscreen, like T-Mobile, or 02, or Orange. Also, their own icons will also be visible on the homescreen, for example.

Roms and S-Off?

So I've been around for a little while and I basically flashed my phone with a custom rom the day after I got it.
I've had cyanogen and redux and miui.
What rom would you say is the most stable and has the longest battery life?
I'm also wondering the advantages to s-off and if I really need it.
Also I have no idea how to do that sd card partition thing for app2sd?
I did something that invloved partitioning using ROM Manager.
Thanks, in advance <3

Hello Chris9446
I've just tried CM7 and MIUI (1.4.1) so I can't say anything to Redux.
Chris9446 said:
What rom would you say is the most stable and has the longest battery life?
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Both of them are experimental so in both of them are bugs. I think the battery lasts longer with CM7 (if you don't use it just 2% per an hour). And CM7 is more stable I think, but he have to wait for a stable release.
I'm also wondering the advantages to s-off and if I really need it.
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If you have S-OFF you can change the partition table that means that you can change the size of your system, cache and data table.
You don't really need it but it's helpful if you want more memory for your apps.
Here are two threads with a How-To and more about S-OFF:
[TUTORIAL] How to S-OFF your HTC Desire
[AlphaRev] HBOOT S-OFF Desire GSM 1.8
Also I have no idea how to do that sd card partition thing for app2sd?
I did something that invloved partitioning using ROM Manager.
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Here's a Tutorial: [Video Tutorial] Noob Proof Everything Desire Guide [Video Tutorial] just go to step five there's a video how to Partitioning Your Sd Card With Gparted.
It's also possible with ROM Manager go to "Partition SD Card" then you have to choose the size and click okay.
I hope that I could help.

Chris9446 said:
I'm also wondering the advantages to s-off and if I really need it.
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One of the advantages of S-off is it lets you make changes to the /system folder without needing to go into recovery.
Quite useful sometimes

Chris9446 said:
What rom would you say is the most stable and has the longest battery life?
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Personally, Redux is the best I have used. Good battery life, stable as anything. I have never had random reboots or any problems with it.
I'm also wondering the advantages to s-off and if I really need it.
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I used s-off primarilly to change my splash screen as I got really sick of the Telstra one and wanted to add my contact details in case the phone was lost.

venomrat said:
One of the advantages of S-off is it lets you make changes to the /system folder without needing to go into recovery.
Quite useful sometimes
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Agreed - just use root explorer or Ti backup to permanently delete any stick apps you don't want, then go right back to surfing or messaging!

Thanks for the reply, guys!
I think I'll try doing the s-off thing tomorrow. I've got a mac so it might be hard lol.
Cyanogen CM7 RC4 has been pretty good to me... a few random reboots but nothing too annoying at the cost of the features.

Hi Chris,
one of the biggest advantages I have found using S-Off is (as mentioned above) changing the partition layout on your HBOOT. ATM I am running OxygeN 2.0.0.3 and using the CM7 HBOOT. I have all my apps installed and am still left with 200mb of free INTERNAL memory. Internal NAND memory is faster than SDCARD memory and (apparently) uses less juice so is easier on your battery!!!!

Can't s-off alpharev

Hi guys I'm trying to s-off using alpharev ISO disc...it goes through the process then after rebooting stage 3 I get 4 lines that say unary operator expected ... I shut down pc and phone boots as usual...
I'm running rxmix s v1.1

maybe change to stock ROM and try s-off again

Yes like the post above switch to a ROOTED stock froyo rom worked for me, the reason your getting errors is because the rom you are running has probably got data2whatever, data++ ect... this affects the alpha rev process.

Ditto above. Alpharev doesn't work on a2sd or similar ROMs... Look back a couple pages and you'll see I started a thread with the same issue. I'm on IC GB a2sd+...
Once pc is repaired, I plan to load stock Telstra RUU and try again, then re-root...

bailz2506 said:
Hi guys I'm trying to s-off using alpharev ISO disc...it goes through the process then after rebooting stage 3 I get 4 lines that say unary operator expected ... I shut down pc and phone boots as usual...
I'm running rxmix s v1.1
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First, you better use USB stick instead of a disc, it is faster a more reliable.
Secondly, you won't be able to get s-off unless you flash either stock rom or AOSP rom ( oxygen worked for me without any problems).

mikeraul said:
First, you better use USB stick instead of a disc, it is faster a more reliable.
Secondly, you won't be able to get s-off unless you flash either stock rom or AOSP rom ( oxygen worked for me without any problems).
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+1, I s-off my phone with oxygen running on it.

ThaNx everyone for the help will try it that way and let you all no if it worked
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thanks everyone for the help it worked fine now i have fully rooted and s-offed htc desire...now to get back into the flashing fun.
When the moderator reads this i have no problems if this thread is deleted thanks again

bailz2506 said:
thanks everyone for the help it worked fine now i have fully rooted and s-offed htc desire...now to get back into the flashing fun.
When the moderator reads this i have no problems if this thread is deleted thanks again
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Happy to hear

Hi folks. Writing this without any hope that someone is online at the moment.
I'm currently using alpharev to flash HBOOT on my htc desire. It has stucked on step 3 with two lines on phone's screen:
Aplharev SPLBOOT version 2.0
...
Normal NAND detected. Non-PVT4
and keeps hanging like that nearly an hour already.
The phone is rooted, with Clockworkmod recovery and InserCoin 2.0.1 DATA2EXT ROM installed.
Did anybody have the same behaviour while flashing HBOOT?
Should I be patient and wait for some miracle to happen?
thanks in advance.

Are you S-Off already??

use the new S-OFF utility. It's a lot quicker and easier. Just make sure you uninstall HTC Sync, or at least make sure it isn't running.

777ace said:
Are you S-Off already??
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no...
just saw here an advice to wait for a long term and the to pull out the battery and reboot.
did as he said.
device is rebooting in fastboot mode...
will try to restore previous ROM from recovery mode...

n0vice said:
no...
just saw here an advice to wait for a long term and the to pull out the battery and reboot.
did as he said.
device is rebooting in fastboot mode...
will try to restore previous ROM from recovery mode...
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try it with the new utility.. it should work for you..

finally I've restored my previous ROM (and sh*tted a pile of bricks during this hour).
HBOOT screen says that my device is still S-ON. strange... maybe that's because of 'DATA2EXT' ROM onboard.
bortak said:
use the new "...revolutionary.io/" S-OFF utility. It's a lot quicker and easier. Just make sure you uninstall HTC Sync, or at least make sure it isn't running.
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thanks. I'll try it when my hands will stop shaking

You won't be able to alter HBoot without S-Off...
I am not sure how the new Utility that bortak linked to works, but I know that the "old" alpharev will not S-Off if you are using A2SD/D2SD/D2EXT type ROMs. You will need to flash stock RUU (do not use latest GB update RUU!!!), or one of the AOSP ROMs, such as Oxygen, before proceeding.
Once you have S-Off, you can go back and re-root, then upgrade your HBoot etc.

777ace said:
You won't be able to alter HBoot without S-Off...
I am not sure how the new Utility that bortak linked to works, but I know that the "old" alpharev will not S-Off if you are using A2SD/D2SD/D2EXT type ROMs. You will need to flash stock RUU (do not use latest GB update RUU!!!), or one of the AOSP ROMs, such as Oxygen, before proceeding.
Once you have S-Off, you can go back and re-root, then upgrade your HBoot etc.
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thanks. I'll follow your advice.
I'm still wondering, why TUT-makers didn't mention this A2SD/D2SD/D2EXT ROMs inconsistency.
I think this should be written in large letters on the first line for noobs like me

Lol, you're right on that!!
If you look on alpharev site, it is mentioned in the text, but VERY small!
Requirements:
The only requirement right now is that the ROM you're running is rooted.
As techniques such as 'data2ext' have been popping up, these might disturb our finely-tuned flashing process.
Please revert to a rooted stock ROM if possible. Your /data partition is used for temporary storage of important files.
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I missed it the first time also, had lots of dramas, and finally spotted that note after many frustrating hours. It should have been written in bright red, 72 cap at the top of screen!!

You need to use an a2sd Rom like lee Droid 2.5.
Alpha rev state this at start of web page using data2sd can cause problems.
Flash lee Droid 2.5 and try it again, you should be fine
Kind regards
John
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It is being said on Alpharev website under "requirements".
Though I agree it should be said in tutorials too.
n0vice said:
thanks. I'll follow your advice.
I'm still wondering, why TUT-makers didn't mention this A2SD/D2SD/D2EXT ROMs inconsistency.
I think this should be written in large letters on the first line for noobs like me
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How to S-Off ?

Hey, I am a complete and utter brain donor when it comes to this whole geek-speak rooting malarky.
Up until last week, the craziest thing I had done to my phone was changed the wallpaper and set a new ringtone from the Zedge app. I've had the phone for a good eight months or so!!
Been wanting to put a custom ROM on my phone for a while and I managed to root my desire last week and got the little Superuser App on my phone. I've been working through the Noobs guide
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1016084
and I've gotten to the S-off part. And here I really come unstuck. I have attempted to go onto the alpharev website and I have no idea which out of Sense, Oxygen, Data++, Stock, etc I download.
The website itself, I dont even understand how to find out which one I am meant to download. Although, I understand that once I get the right one, its a fairly straightforward process of rejigging something on my laptop to read CDs before the hard drive, and plugging my phone in.
But anyway...is there anyone who can talk slowly and in complete base English so that I can attempt to s-off my phone? Cause I am completely useless.
Cheers!

Download this;
http://alpharev.nl/alpharev.iso
What your looking at is the type of partition table that comes after you have s-off, what u do now is flash the above file to a usb stick using this tutorial;
http://www.miui-au.com/installation/extras/alpharev/
Make sure u have a rooted stock Rom before beginning alpharev does not like data++ or d2w roms this one should be fine;
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=833310
Anything u don't understand just reply to thread
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After u have done that u will have s-off, if u want to go further u can flash the cm7 partition table.
Personally I just have s-off stock partition with reflex 2.0.2 with d2w script giving me 1gb of internal storage
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Also, you don't even NEED to s-off and tbh if you're a n00b I wouldn't bother until you actually need it

True u only need it for the new gingerbread roms
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Jonnibravo said:
Download this;
http://alpharev.nl/alpharev.iso
What your looking at is the type of partition table that comes after you have s-off, what u do now is flash the above file to a usb stick using this tutorial;
http://www.miui-au.com/installation/extras/alpharev/
Make sure u have a rooted stock Rom before beginning alpharev does not like data++ or d2w roms this one should be fine;
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=833310
Anything u don't understand just reply to thread
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If you mean on my phone currently I am running my standard stock sense Rom that was on my phone when I got it.
The only thing its been done is rooted it with Unrevoked as per that previous link.
Will get back to you about the rest when I attempt it!

Jonnibravo said:
After u have done that u will have s-off, if u want to go further u can flash the cm7 partition table.
Personally I just have s-off stock partition with reflex 2.0.2 with d2w script giving me 1gb of internal storage
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Genuinely don't have a clue about what one bit of that means.. :/

EddyOS said:
Also, you don't even NEED to s-off and tbh if you're a n00b I wouldn't bother until you actually need it
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So what DO I need s-off for? And if I don't need it why is that guide tellin me to do it?
And chances are il prob want a gingerbread Rom at some point if that's the latest thing..

S-Off would be mostly to give you more internal storage, for apps, since you can change the size of the memory allocated to data
it's not necessary if you only want to use a new ROM
if you're going one step at a time, try a ROM or two before s-off
when you're feeling more confident, and settled on a rom, s-off and get a new partition table (because the table you choose now may not be the best for the rom you decide on in the future...)
in short; skip the s-off part for now

But you can just use A2SD or Data2SD, S-OFF isn't needed for that

Why, let him do it as process itself is as straightforward as it gets.
Later on, changing hboot are three simple commands in command prompt he can do whenever he feels to.
EddyOS said:
But you can just use A2SD or Data2SD, S-OFF isn't needed for that
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True, but a2sd with dalvik on internal provided with hboot table manipulation is more efficient than a2sd+ and data2sd scripts.

monkeon said:
S-Off would be mostly to give you more internal storage, for apps, since you can change the size of the memory allocated to data
it's not necessary if you only want to use a new ROM
if you're going one step at a time, try a ROM or two before s-off
when you're feeling more confident, and settled on a rom, s-off and get a new partition table (because the table you choose now may not be the best for the rom you decide on in the future...)
in short; skip the s-off part for now
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And what is a partition table? Another new one on me..
Ideally I want to do some cool stuff with my phone, maybe put new splash screens on it that other people have made of course , new roms, get free apps n stuff, n make use of my 16gb SD card..
Its more just I don't properly understand the whole s-off business in that guide, although the rest of t seems straightforwardish

monkeon said:
S-Off would be mostly to give you more internal storage, for apps, since you can change the size of the memory allocated to data
it's not necessary if you only want to use a new ROM
if you're going one step at a time, try a ROM or two before s-off
when you're feeling more confident, and settled on a rom, s-off and get a new partition table (because the table you choose now may not be the best for the rom you decide on in the future...)
in short; skip the s-off part for now
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You can also change splash screens and flash unsigned zips through
fastboot - useful if your phone gets screwed up and won't boot to rom or recovery!
I'm in agreement though, I did s-off a few weeks after root.

UberNoobster said:
And what is a partition table? Another new one on me..
Ideally I want to do some cool stuff with my phone, maybe put new splash screens on it that other people have made of course , new roms, get free apps n stuff, n make use of my 16gb SD card..
Its more just I don't properly understand the whole s-off business in that guide, although the rest of t seems straightforwardish
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the internal memory of the phone is 437mb
this memory is divided into different parts: system(for rom etc), cache and data(apps etc)
this is basically the partition table; how much is allocated to what.
some roms need more space than others. some roms handle the cache differently (use sd card for it). people generally want to have more memory for data.
the way the desire is when you buy it gives 250mb to the system and 40 to the cache, leaving 147mb for data
if you use the cm7 table for example (found on alpharev site) you will have 302mb for data and apps. about twice as much as a desire straight out of the box
ok, if you want to change the splash screen you will have to s-off.
free apps can be installed without even rooting i think. making use of the sd card -> put music and movies on there!
on the alpharev site, you dont need to get any of the "data++" "oxygen" etc partition tables to do the s-off part. but you need to s-off to use them!
at the top, the "alpharev 1.8 hboot reflash utility" is what you need at this point
it will be a disc image. when you've downloaded it, burn it as per the guide and follow the video (which i havent watched.. so i cant say if it will be clear). you should now be s-off'ed
if you later want to go for a new partition table, find out what would work best for your rom... Though i think it's best at this point to find out which rom you are going to want for the long term, since wiping the phone and changing the tables and all that sh*t is very tedious.

monkeon said:
the internal memory of the phone is 437mb
this memory is divided into different parts: system(for rom etc), cache and data(apps etc)
this is basically the partition table; how much is allocated to what.
some roms need more space than others. some roms handle the cache differently (use sd card for it). people generally want to have more memory for data.
the way the desire is when you buy it gives 250mb to the system and 40 to the cache, leaving 147mb for data
if you use the cm7 table for example (found on alpharev site) you will have 302mb for data and apps. about twice as much as a desire straight out of the box
ok, if you want to change the splash screen you will have to s-off.
free apps can be installed without even rooting i think. making use of the sd card -> put music and movies on there!
on the alpharev site, you dont need to get any of the "data++" "oxygen" etc partition tables to do the s-off part. but you need to s-off to use them!
at the top, the "alpharev 1.8 hboot reflash utility" is what you need at this point
it will be a disc image. when you've downloaded it, burn it as per the guide and follow the video (which i havent watched.. so i cant say if it will be clear). you should now be s-off'ed
if you later want to go for a new partition table, find out what would work best for your rom... Though i think it's best at this point to find out which rom you are going to want for the long term, since wiping the phone and changing the tables and all that sh*t is very tedious.
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Right, so basically the different partition tables on alpharev site like data++, oxygen, all just mean they will allocate a different amount of mem to your phone depending on what you want?
I've burnt it to the USB but I don't know if its done properly, there's an ALPHA zip file and some other stuff on my USB stick now so how will I know if its right n good to plug my phone in and s-off betc etc?
Btw thanks to all of you for your patience!!

UberNoobster said:
Right, so basically the different partition tables on alpharev site like data++, oxygen, all just mean they will allocate a different amount of mem to your phone depending on what you want?
!!
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Well, to an extent...
Oxygen is a very small rom and uses the SD for cache(?), so you can have the large /data. But using the oxygen partition table for any other rom will result in the rom being too big for /system -> it wont work.
What you should have downloaded and burned will be something.ISO
Its not totally clear on the site, but there is large text near the top; " AlphaRev 1.8 HBOOT reflash utility" click that to get the ISO
The zip files (data++ , cm7 etc) come into play after you've followed the video about s-off
What roms are you looking to try?
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monkeon said:
Well, to an extent...
Oxygen is a very small rom and uses the SD for cache(?), so you can have the large /data. But using the oxygen partition table for any other rom will result in the rom being too big for /system -> it wont work.
What you should have downloaded and burned will be something.ISO
Its not totally clear on the site, but there is large text near the top; " AlphaRev 1.8 HBOOT reflash utility" click that to get the ISO
The zip files (data++ , cm7 etc) come into play after you've followed the video about s-off
What roms are you looking to try?
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I downloaded a ISO file and burnt it to USB stick as per the tutorial earlier. What I've now got is am ALPHA file and a couple other files here n there so is that it good to s-off?
Haven't decided on a ROM yet, not looked properly as I thought I could s-off first then pick my ROM whenever I got round to it as the phone would still work normally though it s-offed.

Why don't you listen to more experienced members like EddyOS and just leave it well alone for the time being. Root is more than enough to try different roms and customization/modding.
It is easy to do it once you know what you are doing. BUT, if i was you, i'd just wait a bit till you get more confident with all the custom stuff.
Again, s-off is not a MUST!
What you are asking here is near enough step by step guide of how to do it, which is a clear indicator that you are not ready to do it.
erklat said:
Why, let him do it as process itself is as straightforward as it gets.
Later on, changing hboot are three simple commands in command prompt he can do whenever he feels to.
True, but a2sd with dalvik on internal provided with hboot table manipulation is more efficient than a2sd+ and data2sd scripts.
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Because, if something goes wrong, it's your fault, as you didn't mention something. He obviously couldn't sue you for that, but who needs the blame they don't deserve?
UberNoobster, i'm not saying that you are going to blame anyone if something goes wrong, but to me, if person recommends something, he is vouching for it hence takes responsibility.

I've had my phone rooted for like 8 months and I have yet to S-Off my device.
I really wouldn't recommend it for you if you have no idea what you are doing. Root is a good place to begin and right now you have the ability to customize your phone in many many ways.
Try out a new rom (may I suggest leedroid as a place to start.) Once you have a solid knowledge of the basics, then, and only then, should you make the choice if you should S-off.
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Ok thanks guys, and thank tinky and shaboola.
I see what you guys are saying, only reason I was gonna try to s-off was to get it done and dusted and out the road. But maybe I should leave it..
Do I still need to partition my SD card and take a nandroid back up and all that jazz when putting on a custom Rom, or do I need s-off for those things?
Cheers

[Q] S-OFF on hboot 0.80

Hello
I've been asked by my dad to root his HTC Desire, to remove bloat and make it faster and last longer, etc etc.
But i've run into some problems. (Let me just say i'm not a complete noob at rooting, i've rooted Desire HD, EVO 3D and a Prime tablet before, and flashed roms etc etc)
I've successfully downgraded it from Android 2.2 with HBOOT 1.02 (i think thats the one) to Android 2.1 with HBOOT 0.80. And i've succesfully rooted it.
Now i want to S-OFF the device, but Revolutionary doesn't support the HBOOT 0.80, it requires 0.93 or 1.02.
I've also read about the AlphaRev S-OFF method, but thats super old and it even says to use Revolutionary.
My end plan is to install LeeDroid rom (My dad wants to keep HTC Sense, but want it fast, and LeeDroid was the best rom i could find for this, or is there something better?).
In LeeDroid it also says it needs to create a ext-3 partition with ROM Manager, but i can't even find ROM Manager on the market, is that because of the fact that i'm currently running android 2.1, or?
I hope some good people out here can help me with my problems
- Moon

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First off: Don't use "bump" posts after just 10 hours. This is not "Instant Help".
Alpharev may be old, but works fine.
Don't even think about using ROM Manager, it will break your phone. Create the ext partition with gparted.
I don't know about Sense Roms, but i think you can use just any. Depends on which version you prefer. Best for performance and battery life should be the lower ones, like LeeDroid.

muellersmattes said:
First off: Don't use "bump" posts after just 10 hours. This is not "Instant Help".
Alpharev may be old, but works fine.
Don't even think about using ROM Manager, it will break your phone. Create the ext partition with gparted.
I don't know about Sense Roms, but i think you can use just any. Depends on which version you prefer. Best for performance and battery life should be the lower ones, like LeeDroid.
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I quote everything.
I have S-OFFed my Desire with Alpharev and encountered no problem at all.

a) use alpharev
b) upgrade to 2.3 ruu and use revolutionary
c) rtfm made by Bortak
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Revolutionary would be the easiest option. A few clicks and your phone is rooted, S-off and has clockworkmod recovery.

Moonbloom said:
Now i want to S-OFF the device, but Revolutionary doesn't support the HBOOT 0.80, it requires 0.93 or 1.02.
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sj44k13 said:
Revolutionary would be the easiest option. A few clicks and your phone is rooted, S-off and has clockworkmod recovery.
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Really? Even OP knows this.....