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Hello to all,
I have read a lot of thread about s-off and something like n1table but I don't understand what they are e why is better to have n1 table and s-off.
I have a full root and I flash all ROM I want.my only issue is the internal memory that is too small.I used old school app2sd but I have only 15mb free with 125app installed.is not bad but became wonderful if is possible to use only sd for data cache and app.
With s-off and n1 table I will be able to have more free space???
Sorry for my stupid question but I have tell as first thing that I don't have understand ANYTHING about.
Thanks to all
Mattia
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This should be in Q&A
What this allows you to do is repartition the memory so that it is used more efficiently. HTC have set the partitions in such a way that there is too much space for the system and cache partitions, and what is left for data is less than we would like.
By repartitioning you can get back some of that space, depending on what ROM you are using; if it's Sense, you can get about 30M back, if it's vanilla Android, 50M, or even over 100M. Have a look at the table on alpharev.nl and compare to Bravo Stock numbers, which is what you have now.
So I have understand good that with s-off can I have much memory??
If yes, how?
I'm running leeDroid 2.2f now but I like also miui....
Thanks!
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In all honesty, if you need to ask then it's not for you. I'd be reading up on rooting, custom ROMs, the lot before even considering S-OFF...
mattiadj said:
...Sorry for my stupid question but I have tell as first thing that I don't have understand ANYTHING about....
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HTC Desire All-in-One Index: [URL="javascript:void(0);"]http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=809328
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Custom Boot Table - N1: http://alpharev.nl/
Apps2SD: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=7025105
Sounds like you have 2 issues that are interlinked...internal ROM storage usage which is impacted by the initial sizes of the System, Data, and Cache partitions and subsequent implementation of A2SD+ scripting. Read ups on bullet points 2 & 3 above.
I suggest you make bullet point 1 above your first port of call for trouble-shooting. Has some really great tutorials and resources.
Hey, I am a complete and utter brain donor when it comes to this whole geek-speak rooting malarky.
Up until last week, the craziest thing I had done to my phone was changed the wallpaper and set a new ringtone from the Zedge app. I've had the phone for a good eight months or so!!
Been wanting to put a custom ROM on my phone for a while and I managed to root my desire last week and got the little Superuser App on my phone. I've been working through the Noobs guide
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1016084
and I've gotten to the S-off part. And here I really come unstuck. I have attempted to go onto the alpharev website and I have no idea which out of Sense, Oxygen, Data++, Stock, etc I download.
The website itself, I dont even understand how to find out which one I am meant to download. Although, I understand that once I get the right one, its a fairly straightforward process of rejigging something on my laptop to read CDs before the hard drive, and plugging my phone in.
But anyway...is there anyone who can talk slowly and in complete base English so that I can attempt to s-off my phone? Cause I am completely useless.
Cheers!
Download this;
http://alpharev.nl/alpharev.iso
What your looking at is the type of partition table that comes after you have s-off, what u do now is flash the above file to a usb stick using this tutorial;
http://www.miui-au.com/installation/extras/alpharev/
Make sure u have a rooted stock Rom before beginning alpharev does not like data++ or d2w roms this one should be fine;
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=833310
Anything u don't understand just reply to thread
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After u have done that u will have s-off, if u want to go further u can flash the cm7 partition table.
Personally I just have s-off stock partition with reflex 2.0.2 with d2w script giving me 1gb of internal storage
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Also, you don't even NEED to s-off and tbh if you're a n00b I wouldn't bother until you actually need it
True u only need it for the new gingerbread roms
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Jonnibravo said:
Download this;
http://alpharev.nl/alpharev.iso
What your looking at is the type of partition table that comes after you have s-off, what u do now is flash the above file to a usb stick using this tutorial;
http://www.miui-au.com/installation/extras/alpharev/
Make sure u have a rooted stock Rom before beginning alpharev does not like data++ or d2w roms this one should be fine;
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=833310
Anything u don't understand just reply to thread
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If you mean on my phone currently I am running my standard stock sense Rom that was on my phone when I got it.
The only thing its been done is rooted it with Unrevoked as per that previous link.
Will get back to you about the rest when I attempt it!
Jonnibravo said:
After u have done that u will have s-off, if u want to go further u can flash the cm7 partition table.
Personally I just have s-off stock partition with reflex 2.0.2 with d2w script giving me 1gb of internal storage
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Genuinely don't have a clue about what one bit of that means.. :/
EddyOS said:
Also, you don't even NEED to s-off and tbh if you're a n00b I wouldn't bother until you actually need it
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So what DO I need s-off for? And if I don't need it why is that guide tellin me to do it?
And chances are il prob want a gingerbread Rom at some point if that's the latest thing..
S-Off would be mostly to give you more internal storage, for apps, since you can change the size of the memory allocated to data
it's not necessary if you only want to use a new ROM
if you're going one step at a time, try a ROM or two before s-off
when you're feeling more confident, and settled on a rom, s-off and get a new partition table (because the table you choose now may not be the best for the rom you decide on in the future...)
in short; skip the s-off part for now
But you can just use A2SD or Data2SD, S-OFF isn't needed for that
Why, let him do it as process itself is as straightforward as it gets.
Later on, changing hboot are three simple commands in command prompt he can do whenever he feels to.
EddyOS said:
But you can just use A2SD or Data2SD, S-OFF isn't needed for that
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True, but a2sd with dalvik on internal provided with hboot table manipulation is more efficient than a2sd+ and data2sd scripts.
monkeon said:
S-Off would be mostly to give you more internal storage, for apps, since you can change the size of the memory allocated to data
it's not necessary if you only want to use a new ROM
if you're going one step at a time, try a ROM or two before s-off
when you're feeling more confident, and settled on a rom, s-off and get a new partition table (because the table you choose now may not be the best for the rom you decide on in the future...)
in short; skip the s-off part for now
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And what is a partition table? Another new one on me..
Ideally I want to do some cool stuff with my phone, maybe put new splash screens on it that other people have made of course , new roms, get free apps n stuff, n make use of my 16gb SD card..
Its more just I don't properly understand the whole s-off business in that guide, although the rest of t seems straightforwardish
monkeon said:
S-Off would be mostly to give you more internal storage, for apps, since you can change the size of the memory allocated to data
it's not necessary if you only want to use a new ROM
if you're going one step at a time, try a ROM or two before s-off
when you're feeling more confident, and settled on a rom, s-off and get a new partition table (because the table you choose now may not be the best for the rom you decide on in the future...)
in short; skip the s-off part for now
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You can also change splash screens and flash unsigned zips through
fastboot - useful if your phone gets screwed up and won't boot to rom or recovery!
I'm in agreement though, I did s-off a few weeks after root.
UberNoobster said:
And what is a partition table? Another new one on me..
Ideally I want to do some cool stuff with my phone, maybe put new splash screens on it that other people have made of course , new roms, get free apps n stuff, n make use of my 16gb SD card..
Its more just I don't properly understand the whole s-off business in that guide, although the rest of t seems straightforwardish
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the internal memory of the phone is 437mb
this memory is divided into different parts: system(for rom etc), cache and data(apps etc)
this is basically the partition table; how much is allocated to what.
some roms need more space than others. some roms handle the cache differently (use sd card for it). people generally want to have more memory for data.
the way the desire is when you buy it gives 250mb to the system and 40 to the cache, leaving 147mb for data
if you use the cm7 table for example (found on alpharev site) you will have 302mb for data and apps. about twice as much as a desire straight out of the box
ok, if you want to change the splash screen you will have to s-off.
free apps can be installed without even rooting i think. making use of the sd card -> put music and movies on there!
on the alpharev site, you dont need to get any of the "data++" "oxygen" etc partition tables to do the s-off part. but you need to s-off to use them!
at the top, the "alpharev 1.8 hboot reflash utility" is what you need at this point
it will be a disc image. when you've downloaded it, burn it as per the guide and follow the video (which i havent watched.. so i cant say if it will be clear). you should now be s-off'ed
if you later want to go for a new partition table, find out what would work best for your rom... Though i think it's best at this point to find out which rom you are going to want for the long term, since wiping the phone and changing the tables and all that sh*t is very tedious.
monkeon said:
the internal memory of the phone is 437mb
this memory is divided into different parts: system(for rom etc), cache and data(apps etc)
this is basically the partition table; how much is allocated to what.
some roms need more space than others. some roms handle the cache differently (use sd card for it). people generally want to have more memory for data.
the way the desire is when you buy it gives 250mb to the system and 40 to the cache, leaving 147mb for data
if you use the cm7 table for example (found on alpharev site) you will have 302mb for data and apps. about twice as much as a desire straight out of the box
ok, if you want to change the splash screen you will have to s-off.
free apps can be installed without even rooting i think. making use of the sd card -> put music and movies on there!
on the alpharev site, you dont need to get any of the "data++" "oxygen" etc partition tables to do the s-off part. but you need to s-off to use them!
at the top, the "alpharev 1.8 hboot reflash utility" is what you need at this point
it will be a disc image. when you've downloaded it, burn it as per the guide and follow the video (which i havent watched.. so i cant say if it will be clear). you should now be s-off'ed
if you later want to go for a new partition table, find out what would work best for your rom... Though i think it's best at this point to find out which rom you are going to want for the long term, since wiping the phone and changing the tables and all that sh*t is very tedious.
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Right, so basically the different partition tables on alpharev site like data++, oxygen, all just mean they will allocate a different amount of mem to your phone depending on what you want?
I've burnt it to the USB but I don't know if its done properly, there's an ALPHA zip file and some other stuff on my USB stick now so how will I know if its right n good to plug my phone in and s-off betc etc?
Btw thanks to all of you for your patience!!
UberNoobster said:
Right, so basically the different partition tables on alpharev site like data++, oxygen, all just mean they will allocate a different amount of mem to your phone depending on what you want?
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Well, to an extent...
Oxygen is a very small rom and uses the SD for cache(?), so you can have the large /data. But using the oxygen partition table for any other rom will result in the rom being too big for /system -> it wont work.
What you should have downloaded and burned will be something.ISO
Its not totally clear on the site, but there is large text near the top; " AlphaRev 1.8 HBOOT reflash utility" click that to get the ISO
The zip files (data++ , cm7 etc) come into play after you've followed the video about s-off
What roms are you looking to try?
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monkeon said:
Well, to an extent...
Oxygen is a very small rom and uses the SD for cache(?), so you can have the large /data. But using the oxygen partition table for any other rom will result in the rom being too big for /system -> it wont work.
What you should have downloaded and burned will be something.ISO
Its not totally clear on the site, but there is large text near the top; " AlphaRev 1.8 HBOOT reflash utility" click that to get the ISO
The zip files (data++ , cm7 etc) come into play after you've followed the video about s-off
What roms are you looking to try?
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I downloaded a ISO file and burnt it to USB stick as per the tutorial earlier. What I've now got is am ALPHA file and a couple other files here n there so is that it good to s-off?
Haven't decided on a ROM yet, not looked properly as I thought I could s-off first then pick my ROM whenever I got round to it as the phone would still work normally though it s-offed.
Why don't you listen to more experienced members like EddyOS and just leave it well alone for the time being. Root is more than enough to try different roms and customization/modding.
It is easy to do it once you know what you are doing. BUT, if i was you, i'd just wait a bit till you get more confident with all the custom stuff.
Again, s-off is not a MUST!
What you are asking here is near enough step by step guide of how to do it, which is a clear indicator that you are not ready to do it.
erklat said:
Why, let him do it as process itself is as straightforward as it gets.
Later on, changing hboot are three simple commands in command prompt he can do whenever he feels to.
True, but a2sd with dalvik on internal provided with hboot table manipulation is more efficient than a2sd+ and data2sd scripts.
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Because, if something goes wrong, it's your fault, as you didn't mention something. He obviously couldn't sue you for that, but who needs the blame they don't deserve?
UberNoobster, i'm not saying that you are going to blame anyone if something goes wrong, but to me, if person recommends something, he is vouching for it hence takes responsibility.
I've had my phone rooted for like 8 months and I have yet to S-Off my device.
I really wouldn't recommend it for you if you have no idea what you are doing. Root is a good place to begin and right now you have the ability to customize your phone in many many ways.
Try out a new rom (may I suggest leedroid as a place to start.) Once you have a solid knowledge of the basics, then, and only then, should you make the choice if you should S-off.
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Ok thanks guys, and thank tinky and shaboola.
I see what you guys are saying, only reason I was gonna try to s-off was to get it done and dusted and out the road. But maybe I should leave it..
Do I still need to partition my SD card and take a nandroid back up and all that jazz when putting on a custom Rom, or do I need s-off for those things?
Cheers
Hello I have now decided to S-Off my desire, all because I want to test one App. Chainfire 3D, is there an easy way on doing this that is very safe? Also can I S-Off and keep running the RoM I am using, or do I have to start again with new RoM flash.
Is it true that I can S-ON any time by flashing my stock RUU? and last question (sorry) has anyone got chainfire 3D working with S-ON, if so I wont be doing S-Off lol
"is there an easy way on doing this that is very safe?"
The Alpharev method is "safe" if U have read and understand their guide.
BUT there is still and allways a chance of bricking... so... no... no safe way!
"Also can I S-Off and keep running the RoM I am using?"
Yes.
"Is it true that I can S-ON any time by flashing my stock RUU?"
Yes. A stock RUU will reset your phone 112%. ;-)
Read here at Alpharev: http://alpharev.nl/
Here you find a nice video how to s-off with alpharev:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1016084 (step four)
Thanks guys never wanted to S-Off, but really want to try this app. I defo need S-Off because it wont let me install the driver's without having the right's to system, I even tried flashing them in recovery, but it still showed the graphic driver's not installed
S-OFF and try roms with custom hboot like CM7 InsertCoin
ull never get back to stock hboot a2sd+ after that
dzumagos said:
S-OFF and try roms with custom hboot like CM7 InsertCoin
ull never get back to stock hboot a2sd+ after that
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I like having 2GB internal memory data2SD is superb trust me droidzone's RoM are very nice.
Im talking speed here. No data2xxx can match apps running from NAND in speed department. And I can have loooots of apps still.
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dzumagos said:
Im talking speed here. No data2xxx can match apps running from NAND in speed department. And I can have loooots of apps still.
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Thanks for the tip, but I dont ever get lag from any app's using data2sd, also from reading the main page from dev RoM SD is ment to be faster than NAND.
With Data2SD, you decide the amount of Internal memory you want!
As a side effect, you get faster I/O too, since Sd is faster than Nand. the real world performance depends on the Class of your card. The faster the better!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1045824
shankly1985 said:
Thanks for the tip, but I dont ever get lag from any app's using data2sd, also from reading the main page from dev RoM SD is ment to be faster than NAND.
With Data2SD, you decide the amount of Internal memory you want!
As a side effect, you get faster I/O too, since Sd is faster than Nand. the real world performance depends on the Class of your card. The faster the better!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1045824
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Not to forget you use an ext4 partition for data2sd, for a2sd you mostly use an ext3 partition, which is slower than an ext4 partition, no matter which class your sd card has.
nope you can't install the required Chainfire3d driver without having S-off, as i tried it myself on different Roms and different desires (rooted, unrooted, etc), untill i contacted the developed and he said that only S-off HTC devices can install this driver. and as some posters said, go to custom partition tables like CM7.
gie62001 said:
nope you can't install the required Chainfire3d driver without having S-off, as i tried it myself on different Roms and different desires (rooted, unrooted, etc), untill i contacted the developed and he said that only S-off HTC devices can install this driver. and as some posters said, go to custom partition tables like CM7.
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Thanks am going to try it tonight, I won't be using custom tables, because I think data2SD is far better.
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got stuck at step 3-3 my phone was ment to receive instruction on-screen, but insted my phone has booted up normaly and on pc screen I have
hub1-0:1.0 unable to enumerate USB device on port 6
/home/tc/alpharev.sh: line 331: [:-eq: unary operation expected
/home/tc/alpharev.sh: line 343: [:-eq: unary operation expected
/home/tc/alpharev.sh: line 353: [:-eq: unary operation expected
/home/tc/alpharev.sh: line 361: [:-eq: unary operation expected
/home/tc/alpharev.sh: line 366: [:-eq: unary operation expected
[email protected]: $
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Two times I tried so not doing it again think am lucky to not have a brick.
I done a nand backup and flashed a stock RoM and went with the S-Off but it won't work.
Anyone understand this error? please
i think i had the same the first time but just because i didnt have stock room, or maybe you have data2sd script or something. but all i did was to install stock 2.2 rom and then do all procedure again and i also didnt install alpharev recovery or something that they offer. theres a very good video on youtube on s-off desire if you look for it youll find it very usefull
gie62001 said:
i think i had the same the first time but just because i didnt have stock room, or maybe you have data2sd script or something. but all i did was to install stock 2.2 rom and then do all procedure again and i also didnt install alpharev recovery or something that they offer. theres a very good video on youtube on s-off desire if you look for it youll find it very usefull
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Thanks going to give it one more shot tomorrow, am downloading Leedroid 2.4 non-App2SD just stock 2.2, if it dont work this time am not even trying lol
Jakedude2011 said:
"Is it true that I can S-ON any time by flashing my stock RUU?"
Yes. A stock RUU will reset your phone 112%. ;-)
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Hehe, I wouldn't bet much on that.... See I've got a factory s-off phone, which means that ruus can't make me s-on ..... Development phone
So, id say 98% and not 112%
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shankly1985 said:
real world performance depends on the Class of your card. The faster the better!
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I've seen reports of people having problems with class 10 cards though. Might have been just the Desire, not sure.
tobydjones said:
I've seen reports of people having problems with class 10 cards though. Might have been just the Desire, not sure.
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Yer that's true, its not the Rom its the phone's hardware. Class 10 are a hit or miss
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what are the roms that dont require s-off? i am too lazy to get rid of S but i want a nice rom.
Thank you
Every ROM which has A2SD+ version. Data++/Cm7 Versions require S-OFF.
i have a few other questions if you dont mind?
1) Some roms say i need ext partitions or something, do i REALLY need it?
2) In your opinion what is the best most stable sense rom i can use?
3) is there a way to improve the low in call volume? and the sensitivity of the trackpad?
4) Thank you for answering my questions
1. Sense ROMs do need the EXT partition (especially the new Sense 2.1+3.0 ones) - at least 1GB.
AOSP ROMs may not require it, but it is always good to have an EXT partition to avoid problems - such as running out of Internal memory. I use 512MB Ext4 and have a plenty of space on Gingervillian 2.7
2. I'd say it's LeeDroid's latest one: This
3. I not aware of those, but you should ask it in the ROM's thread - the developer / users may know more.
4. You're welcome.
davebugyi said:
Every ROM which has A2SD+ version. Data++/Cm7 Versions require S-OFF.
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This is the first I have heard of this, have I missed something?
a lot of the roms dont _need_ an ext partition, but you may find you have tiny space afterwards if you don't use one.
mercianary said:
This is the first I have heard of this, have I missed something?
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Well Data++ and CM7 ROMs require modified HBOOTs, which can be changed only if you have S-Off.
Been a long time user of the Behold 2, Vibrant, SGS II, and now the WFS. I have installed CWM on every phone I have owned and used custom ROMs. I love the work the devs do and donate when I find a good dev.
I personally use the SGS 2, but the WFS is my wife's DD. I need to install CWM, find a sweet ROM (without spyware, great kernel, and themed ROM). Memory is really short on this phone, so my hope is that the devs use the 8GB card or have found other solutions.
Can anyone lead me in the right direction? The phone updated to 2.3.5, so I need the CWM procedure for that and your recommendation on a great DD ROM. Thanks.
You will find all you need in the stickied index thread at the top of the general section.
Thanks, trying to get S-OFF first. There is no file for 2.17.531.1. I am T-Mobile USA. My ROM is not listed and I can't find the correct RUU at HTCDEV.
All the January S-off videos are outdated...
apicia said:
Been a long time user of the Behold 2, Vibrant, SGS II, and now the WFS. I have installed CWM on every phone I have owned and used custom ROMs. I love the work the devs do and donate when I find a good dev.
I personally use the SGS 2, but the WFS is my wife's DD. I need to install CWM, find a sweet ROM (without spyware, great kernel, and themed ROM). Memory is really short on this phone, so my hope is that the devs use the 8GB card or have found other solutions.
Can anyone lead me in the right direction? The phone updated to 2.3.5, so I need the CWM procedure for that and your recommendation on a great DD ROM. Thanks.
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Sweet ROM. Hmm, if your wife likes Sense ui then I recommend this rom. It is nice and fast and it has Data2Sd so it incrases internam memory to 2 GB max.
If she doesn't like Sense then there is CM7. It also has Data2sd
But you must have ex3 partition on sd card to get working data2sd. Here is how to do it.
And to install recovery, there are some tutorials. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1325730
Find CUSTOM RECOVERY section.
apicia said:
Thanks, trying to get S-OFF first. There is no file for 2.17.531.1. I am T-Mobile USA. My ROM is not listed and I can't find the correct RUU at HTCDEV.
All the January S-off videos are outdated...
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First create a goldcard (search google) then you can install any ruu with a software number higher than yours from htcdev.
You don't need s-off
Awesome. I have followed the steps to unlock (S-OFF). Now to install CWM and choose a ROM. Thanks for your help so far guys!
Having a hard time rooting the phone. Used a few programs and Unlockroot says failed to get shell access. Hmm.
CWM is now installed!
Since I have an 8GB card, I partitioned 2GB. I installed CM7, Data2SD, and finally GAPPS. She is rebooting right now. I will wait the 10 minutes and get her up and going. I'll let you guys know how it goes and THANKS.
Link2SD is better if you have a smaller, slower SD card. It's also more stable and easier to use. Btw, welcome to our forum.