So I've been around for a little while and I basically flashed my phone with a custom rom the day after I got it.
I've had cyanogen and redux and miui.
What rom would you say is the most stable and has the longest battery life?
I'm also wondering the advantages to s-off and if I really need it.
Also I have no idea how to do that sd card partition thing for app2sd?
I did something that invloved partitioning using ROM Manager.
Thanks, in advance <3
Hello Chris9446
I've just tried CM7 and MIUI (1.4.1) so I can't say anything to Redux.
Chris9446 said:
What rom would you say is the most stable and has the longest battery life?
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Both of them are experimental so in both of them are bugs. I think the battery lasts longer with CM7 (if you don't use it just 2% per an hour). And CM7 is more stable I think, but he have to wait for a stable release.
I'm also wondering the advantages to s-off and if I really need it.
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If you have S-OFF you can change the partition table that means that you can change the size of your system, cache and data table.
You don't really need it but it's helpful if you want more memory for your apps.
Here are two threads with a How-To and more about S-OFF:
[TUTORIAL] How to S-OFF your HTC Desire
[AlphaRev] HBOOT S-OFF Desire GSM 1.8
Also I have no idea how to do that sd card partition thing for app2sd?
I did something that invloved partitioning using ROM Manager.
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Here's a Tutorial: [Video Tutorial] Noob Proof Everything Desire Guide [Video Tutorial] just go to step five there's a video how to Partitioning Your Sd Card With Gparted.
It's also possible with ROM Manager go to "Partition SD Card" then you have to choose the size and click okay.
I hope that I could help.
Chris9446 said:
I'm also wondering the advantages to s-off and if I really need it.
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One of the advantages of S-off is it lets you make changes to the /system folder without needing to go into recovery.
Quite useful sometimes
Chris9446 said:
What rom would you say is the most stable and has the longest battery life?
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Personally, Redux is the best I have used. Good battery life, stable as anything. I have never had random reboots or any problems with it.
I'm also wondering the advantages to s-off and if I really need it.
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I used s-off primarilly to change my splash screen as I got really sick of the Telstra one and wanted to add my contact details in case the phone was lost.
venomrat said:
One of the advantages of S-off is it lets you make changes to the /system folder without needing to go into recovery.
Quite useful sometimes
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Agreed - just use root explorer or Ti backup to permanently delete any stick apps you don't want, then go right back to surfing or messaging!
Thanks for the reply, guys!
I think I'll try doing the s-off thing tomorrow. I've got a mac so it might be hard lol.
Cyanogen CM7 RC4 has been pretty good to me... a few random reboots but nothing too annoying at the cost of the features.
Hi Chris,
one of the biggest advantages I have found using S-Off is (as mentioned above) changing the partition layout on your HBOOT. ATM I am running OxygeN 2.0.0.3 and using the CM7 HBOOT. I have all my apps installed and am still left with 200mb of free INTERNAL memory. Internal NAND memory is faster than SDCARD memory and (apparently) uses less juice so is easier on your battery!!!!
Hey, I am a complete and utter brain donor when it comes to this whole geek-speak rooting malarky.
Up until last week, the craziest thing I had done to my phone was changed the wallpaper and set a new ringtone from the Zedge app. I've had the phone for a good eight months or so!!
Been wanting to put a custom ROM on my phone for a while and I managed to root my desire last week and got the little Superuser App on my phone. I've been working through the Noobs guide
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1016084
and I've gotten to the S-off part. And here I really come unstuck. I have attempted to go onto the alpharev website and I have no idea which out of Sense, Oxygen, Data++, Stock, etc I download.
The website itself, I dont even understand how to find out which one I am meant to download. Although, I understand that once I get the right one, its a fairly straightforward process of rejigging something on my laptop to read CDs before the hard drive, and plugging my phone in.
But anyway...is there anyone who can talk slowly and in complete base English so that I can attempt to s-off my phone? Cause I am completely useless.
Cheers!
Download this;
http://alpharev.nl/alpharev.iso
What your looking at is the type of partition table that comes after you have s-off, what u do now is flash the above file to a usb stick using this tutorial;
http://www.miui-au.com/installation/extras/alpharev/
Make sure u have a rooted stock Rom before beginning alpharev does not like data++ or d2w roms this one should be fine;
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=833310
Anything u don't understand just reply to thread
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After u have done that u will have s-off, if u want to go further u can flash the cm7 partition table.
Personally I just have s-off stock partition with reflex 2.0.2 with d2w script giving me 1gb of internal storage
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Also, you don't even NEED to s-off and tbh if you're a n00b I wouldn't bother until you actually need it
True u only need it for the new gingerbread roms
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Jonnibravo said:
Download this;
http://alpharev.nl/alpharev.iso
What your looking at is the type of partition table that comes after you have s-off, what u do now is flash the above file to a usb stick using this tutorial;
http://www.miui-au.com/installation/extras/alpharev/
Make sure u have a rooted stock Rom before beginning alpharev does not like data++ or d2w roms this one should be fine;
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=833310
Anything u don't understand just reply to thread
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If you mean on my phone currently I am running my standard stock sense Rom that was on my phone when I got it.
The only thing its been done is rooted it with Unrevoked as per that previous link.
Will get back to you about the rest when I attempt it!
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After u have done that u will have s-off, if u want to go further u can flash the cm7 partition table.
Personally I just have s-off stock partition with reflex 2.0.2 with d2w script giving me 1gb of internal storage
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Genuinely don't have a clue about what one bit of that means.. :/
EddyOS said:
Also, you don't even NEED to s-off and tbh if you're a n00b I wouldn't bother until you actually need it
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So what DO I need s-off for? And if I don't need it why is that guide tellin me to do it?
And chances are il prob want a gingerbread Rom at some point if that's the latest thing..
S-Off would be mostly to give you more internal storage, for apps, since you can change the size of the memory allocated to data
it's not necessary if you only want to use a new ROM
if you're going one step at a time, try a ROM or two before s-off
when you're feeling more confident, and settled on a rom, s-off and get a new partition table (because the table you choose now may not be the best for the rom you decide on in the future...)
in short; skip the s-off part for now
But you can just use A2SD or Data2SD, S-OFF isn't needed for that
Why, let him do it as process itself is as straightforward as it gets.
Later on, changing hboot are three simple commands in command prompt he can do whenever he feels to.
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But you can just use A2SD or Data2SD, S-OFF isn't needed for that
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True, but a2sd with dalvik on internal provided with hboot table manipulation is more efficient than a2sd+ and data2sd scripts.
monkeon said:
S-Off would be mostly to give you more internal storage, for apps, since you can change the size of the memory allocated to data
it's not necessary if you only want to use a new ROM
if you're going one step at a time, try a ROM or two before s-off
when you're feeling more confident, and settled on a rom, s-off and get a new partition table (because the table you choose now may not be the best for the rom you decide on in the future...)
in short; skip the s-off part for now
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And what is a partition table? Another new one on me..
Ideally I want to do some cool stuff with my phone, maybe put new splash screens on it that other people have made of course , new roms, get free apps n stuff, n make use of my 16gb SD card..
Its more just I don't properly understand the whole s-off business in that guide, although the rest of t seems straightforwardish
monkeon said:
S-Off would be mostly to give you more internal storage, for apps, since you can change the size of the memory allocated to data
it's not necessary if you only want to use a new ROM
if you're going one step at a time, try a ROM or two before s-off
when you're feeling more confident, and settled on a rom, s-off and get a new partition table (because the table you choose now may not be the best for the rom you decide on in the future...)
in short; skip the s-off part for now
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You can also change splash screens and flash unsigned zips through
fastboot - useful if your phone gets screwed up and won't boot to rom or recovery!
I'm in agreement though, I did s-off a few weeks after root.
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And what is a partition table? Another new one on me..
Ideally I want to do some cool stuff with my phone, maybe put new splash screens on it that other people have made of course , new roms, get free apps n stuff, n make use of my 16gb SD card..
Its more just I don't properly understand the whole s-off business in that guide, although the rest of t seems straightforwardish
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the internal memory of the phone is 437mb
this memory is divided into different parts: system(for rom etc), cache and data(apps etc)
this is basically the partition table; how much is allocated to what.
some roms need more space than others. some roms handle the cache differently (use sd card for it). people generally want to have more memory for data.
the way the desire is when you buy it gives 250mb to the system and 40 to the cache, leaving 147mb for data
if you use the cm7 table for example (found on alpharev site) you will have 302mb for data and apps. about twice as much as a desire straight out of the box
ok, if you want to change the splash screen you will have to s-off.
free apps can be installed without even rooting i think. making use of the sd card -> put music and movies on there!
on the alpharev site, you dont need to get any of the "data++" "oxygen" etc partition tables to do the s-off part. but you need to s-off to use them!
at the top, the "alpharev 1.8 hboot reflash utility" is what you need at this point
it will be a disc image. when you've downloaded it, burn it as per the guide and follow the video (which i havent watched.. so i cant say if it will be clear). you should now be s-off'ed
if you later want to go for a new partition table, find out what would work best for your rom... Though i think it's best at this point to find out which rom you are going to want for the long term, since wiping the phone and changing the tables and all that sh*t is very tedious.
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the internal memory of the phone is 437mb
this memory is divided into different parts: system(for rom etc), cache and data(apps etc)
this is basically the partition table; how much is allocated to what.
some roms need more space than others. some roms handle the cache differently (use sd card for it). people generally want to have more memory for data.
the way the desire is when you buy it gives 250mb to the system and 40 to the cache, leaving 147mb for data
if you use the cm7 table for example (found on alpharev site) you will have 302mb for data and apps. about twice as much as a desire straight out of the box
ok, if you want to change the splash screen you will have to s-off.
free apps can be installed without even rooting i think. making use of the sd card -> put music and movies on there!
on the alpharev site, you dont need to get any of the "data++" "oxygen" etc partition tables to do the s-off part. but you need to s-off to use them!
at the top, the "alpharev 1.8 hboot reflash utility" is what you need at this point
it will be a disc image. when you've downloaded it, burn it as per the guide and follow the video (which i havent watched.. so i cant say if it will be clear). you should now be s-off'ed
if you later want to go for a new partition table, find out what would work best for your rom... Though i think it's best at this point to find out which rom you are going to want for the long term, since wiping the phone and changing the tables and all that sh*t is very tedious.
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Right, so basically the different partition tables on alpharev site like data++, oxygen, all just mean they will allocate a different amount of mem to your phone depending on what you want?
I've burnt it to the USB but I don't know if its done properly, there's an ALPHA zip file and some other stuff on my USB stick now so how will I know if its right n good to plug my phone in and s-off betc etc?
Btw thanks to all of you for your patience!!
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Right, so basically the different partition tables on alpharev site like data++, oxygen, all just mean they will allocate a different amount of mem to your phone depending on what you want?
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Well, to an extent...
Oxygen is a very small rom and uses the SD for cache(?), so you can have the large /data. But using the oxygen partition table for any other rom will result in the rom being too big for /system -> it wont work.
What you should have downloaded and burned will be something.ISO
Its not totally clear on the site, but there is large text near the top; " AlphaRev 1.8 HBOOT reflash utility" click that to get the ISO
The zip files (data++ , cm7 etc) come into play after you've followed the video about s-off
What roms are you looking to try?
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monkeon said:
Well, to an extent...
Oxygen is a very small rom and uses the SD for cache(?), so you can have the large /data. But using the oxygen partition table for any other rom will result in the rom being too big for /system -> it wont work.
What you should have downloaded and burned will be something.ISO
Its not totally clear on the site, but there is large text near the top; " AlphaRev 1.8 HBOOT reflash utility" click that to get the ISO
The zip files (data++ , cm7 etc) come into play after you've followed the video about s-off
What roms are you looking to try?
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I downloaded a ISO file and burnt it to USB stick as per the tutorial earlier. What I've now got is am ALPHA file and a couple other files here n there so is that it good to s-off?
Haven't decided on a ROM yet, not looked properly as I thought I could s-off first then pick my ROM whenever I got round to it as the phone would still work normally though it s-offed.
Why don't you listen to more experienced members like EddyOS and just leave it well alone for the time being. Root is more than enough to try different roms and customization/modding.
It is easy to do it once you know what you are doing. BUT, if i was you, i'd just wait a bit till you get more confident with all the custom stuff.
Again, s-off is not a MUST!
What you are asking here is near enough step by step guide of how to do it, which is a clear indicator that you are not ready to do it.
erklat said:
Why, let him do it as process itself is as straightforward as it gets.
Later on, changing hboot are three simple commands in command prompt he can do whenever he feels to.
True, but a2sd with dalvik on internal provided with hboot table manipulation is more efficient than a2sd+ and data2sd scripts.
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Because, if something goes wrong, it's your fault, as you didn't mention something. He obviously couldn't sue you for that, but who needs the blame they don't deserve?
UberNoobster, i'm not saying that you are going to blame anyone if something goes wrong, but to me, if person recommends something, he is vouching for it hence takes responsibility.
I've had my phone rooted for like 8 months and I have yet to S-Off my device.
I really wouldn't recommend it for you if you have no idea what you are doing. Root is a good place to begin and right now you have the ability to customize your phone in many many ways.
Try out a new rom (may I suggest leedroid as a place to start.) Once you have a solid knowledge of the basics, then, and only then, should you make the choice if you should S-off.
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Ok thanks guys, and thank tinky and shaboola.
I see what you guys are saying, only reason I was gonna try to s-off was to get it done and dusted and out the road. But maybe I should leave it..
Do I still need to partition my SD card and take a nandroid back up and all that jazz when putting on a custom Rom, or do I need s-off for those things?
Cheers
what are the roms that dont require s-off? i am too lazy to get rid of S but i want a nice rom.
Thank you
Every ROM which has A2SD+ version. Data++/Cm7 Versions require S-OFF.
i have a few other questions if you dont mind?
1) Some roms say i need ext partitions or something, do i REALLY need it?
2) In your opinion what is the best most stable sense rom i can use?
3) is there a way to improve the low in call volume? and the sensitivity of the trackpad?
4) Thank you for answering my questions
1. Sense ROMs do need the EXT partition (especially the new Sense 2.1+3.0 ones) - at least 1GB.
AOSP ROMs may not require it, but it is always good to have an EXT partition to avoid problems - such as running out of Internal memory. I use 512MB Ext4 and have a plenty of space on Gingervillian 2.7
2. I'd say it's LeeDroid's latest one: This
3. I not aware of those, but you should ask it in the ROM's thread - the developer / users may know more.
4. You're welcome.
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Every ROM which has A2SD+ version. Data++/Cm7 Versions require S-OFF.
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This is the first I have heard of this, have I missed something?
a lot of the roms dont _need_ an ext partition, but you may find you have tiny space afterwards if you don't use one.
mercianary said:
This is the first I have heard of this, have I missed something?
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Well Data++ and CM7 ROMs require modified HBOOTs, which can be changed only if you have S-Off.
Hi there
I've rooted my phone a while back, and flashed a couple of ROMs, currently using the official MIUI one. One thing I've noticed is that on some ROMs you have different requirements for different "Hboot" versions, which confuses me as I have no idea what Hboot is
So can someone kindly explain to me the following:
1) What is Hboot?
2) How do I know what I have
3) Whats the difference between "stock Hboot" and "CM7 Hboot"?
4) And which one is errm ... better?
Many Thanks
different hboots are basically different layouts of your phones internal memory.
e.g. the stock hboot has a 250mb system partition 40mb cache and 147mb data, which means there is 250mb allocated for the android OS, 40mb for cache and 147mb for all of your data e.g. texts, apps etc.
The cm7r2 hboot on the other hand has 145mb system, 5mb cache and 287mb data, so you get a lot more space for apps and the likes.
There is no "better", it just depends how big the rom you want to install needs and what hboot it requires. Nearly all rom's work on the stock hboot, and you only need to flash a custom one if you want more space.
Did you read thread with definitions explanations?
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Won't go into detail since there are several threads about this already. I know it's confusing, just read a lot till you know...
1) HBOOT is some kind of BIOS on your phone.
2) Hold Volume Down + Power while your phone is off, make sure the faster startup option isn't enabled in your ROM
3) Mainly the partition sizes. Go to http://alpharev.nl/ to see which partition sizes which hboot has.
4) Depends on the ROM you want to flash, read the description of the ROM you want in order to find out which HBOOT you need. With CM7r2 and an EXT Partition on your sdcard, you can install more apps on a lot of ROMs. You might need to flash a hacked Stockboot in order to get S-OFF for some ROMs. "Stock" only means the same size as stock in this case, it's still a hacked hboot.
If you want to flash a new hboot, use this tool: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=794638 and the files from http://alpharev.nl/ probably the easiest way for a noob.
Thanks all
A n00b isn't someone who doesn't know something. A n00b is a person who didn't bother to search for it. Fail n00b is user who don't know how to search for it. And those who will still ask for help are idiots.
Hmmm Its not that I mind people posting the same questions on here and on Androidforums but since I am a member of both, it doesnt half get confusing sometimes...
I was like, "I'm sure I answered this..." then it dawned on me
rootSU said:
Hmmm Its not that I mind people posting the same questions on here and on Androidforums but since I am a member of both, it doesnt half get confusing sometimes...
I was like, "I'm sure I answered this..." then it dawned on me
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MASSIVE kudos and thanks for the Desire Root/a2sd guide! So glad I found this thread! Big step in un-bricking my phone!
Cool stuff!
Hi everyone,
Does anyone know if you can use the the HTC Bravo Alpharev HBOOT on a HTC Buzz/Wildfire?
I want to install Oxygenmod so I would like to be able to resize the partitions.
Thanks
I belive not,but if you have used SEARCH BUTTON you would came up with this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1233340
and on alpharev site there is suported devices section:http://alpharev.nl/
Ask yourself this question: Can you take an engine from an aircraft carrier, and stick it into a car?
Revolutionary S-OFF & Recovery tool support HTC Buzz, check unrevoked.com/rootwiki/doku.php/public/revolutionary#supported_devices if you mean the Hboot image no idea probably best to check buzz forums for that.
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I belive not,but if you have used SEARCH BUTTON you would came up with this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1233340
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Actually it's exactly because of that thread that I asked the question.
First of all, that's not a permanent fix. Every time you want to flash a ROM update it reverts to the stock partition sizes (I know that because I've tried) so you have to run the boot patch every time.
However, what is interesting about that method is that the patch files provided are bravo-boot-v1.5.3-CustomMTD.zip and bravo-recovery-v1.5.3-CustomMTD.zip Spot the catch? Basically, they're the same files you use to resize the partitions on a HTC Desire which is also known as Bravo! Hence, I was thinking that if the same patch file works on both devices then maybe the HBOOT is the same on both devices !? And that kind of makes sense because in terms of hardware the Wildfire is simply a stripped down version of the Desire - remember that the Wildfire came out after the Desire and was ment to be a cheaper option of the same thing. Also, the internal memory of both devices (at least the bit where the system, cache and data partitions go) is the same size, i.e. 512MB. So, in simple terms it may just work!
Yet, I was wondering if anyone else has tried that before because I really wouldn't want to brick my girlfriend's phone... She would definitely kill me!
Anyway, thanks for the response and if I decide to give it a go I'll let you know what was the result.
And by the way, I've now moved this question to the HTC Wildfire part of the forum.
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Ask yourself this question: Can you take an engine from an aircraft carrier, and stick it into a car?
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Actually the difference is not quite that big...
In terms of hardware the Wildfire is simply a stripped down version of the Desire - remember that the Wildfire came out after the Desire and was meant to be a cheaper option of the same thing. Also, the internal memory of both devices (at least the bit where the system, cache and data partitions go) is the same size, i.e. 512MB. So, in simple terms it may just work!
In very simple terms it's a bit like installing the HDD with the boot sector and partitions from a system with an Intel i7 onto a system with a Pentium 1 - will that work? It will sure do!