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[Q] what is and why have n1table and s-off

Hello to all,
I have read a lot of thread about s-off and something like n1table but I don't understand what they are e why is better to have n1 table and s-off.
I have a full root and I flash all ROM I want.my only issue is the internal memory that is too small.I used old school app2sd but I have only 15mb free with 125app installed.is not bad but became wonderful if is possible to use only sd for data cache and app.
With s-off and n1 table I will be able to have more free space???
Sorry for my stupid question but I have tell as first thing that I don't have understand ANYTHING about.
Thanks to all
Mattia
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This should be in Q&A

What this allows you to do is repartition the memory so that it is used more efficiently. HTC have set the partitions in such a way that there is too much space for the system and cache partitions, and what is left for data is less than we would like.
By repartitioning you can get back some of that space, depending on what ROM you are using; if it's Sense, you can get about 30M back, if it's vanilla Android, 50M, or even over 100M. Have a look at the table on alpharev.nl and compare to Bravo Stock numbers, which is what you have now.

So I have understand good that with s-off can I have much memory??
If yes, how?
I'm running leeDroid 2.2f now but I like also miui....
Thanks!
sent from the future

In all honesty, if you need to ask then it's not for you. I'd be reading up on rooting, custom ROMs, the lot before even considering S-OFF...

mattiadj said:
...Sorry for my stupid question but I have tell as first thing that I don't have understand ANYTHING about....
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HTC Desire All-in-One Index: [URL="javascript:void(0);"]http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=809328
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Custom Boot Table - N1: http://alpharev.nl/
Apps2SD: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=7025105
Sounds like you have 2 issues that are interlinked...internal ROM storage usage which is impacted by the initial sizes of the System, Data, and Cache partitions and subsequent implementation of A2SD+ scripting. Read ups on bullet points 2 & 3 above.
I suggest you make bullet point 1 above your first port of call for trouble-shooting. Has some really great tutorials and resources.

How to S-Off ?

Hey, I am a complete and utter brain donor when it comes to this whole geek-speak rooting malarky.
Up until last week, the craziest thing I had done to my phone was changed the wallpaper and set a new ringtone from the Zedge app. I've had the phone for a good eight months or so!!
Been wanting to put a custom ROM on my phone for a while and I managed to root my desire last week and got the little Superuser App on my phone. I've been working through the Noobs guide
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1016084
and I've gotten to the S-off part. And here I really come unstuck. I have attempted to go onto the alpharev website and I have no idea which out of Sense, Oxygen, Data++, Stock, etc I download.
The website itself, I dont even understand how to find out which one I am meant to download. Although, I understand that once I get the right one, its a fairly straightforward process of rejigging something on my laptop to read CDs before the hard drive, and plugging my phone in.
But anyway...is there anyone who can talk slowly and in complete base English so that I can attempt to s-off my phone? Cause I am completely useless.
Cheers!

Download this;
http://alpharev.nl/alpharev.iso
What your looking at is the type of partition table that comes after you have s-off, what u do now is flash the above file to a usb stick using this tutorial;
http://www.miui-au.com/installation/extras/alpharev/
Make sure u have a rooted stock Rom before beginning alpharev does not like data++ or d2w roms this one should be fine;
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=833310
Anything u don't understand just reply to thread
Sent from my HTC Desire using Tapatalk

After u have done that u will have s-off, if u want to go further u can flash the cm7 partition table.
Personally I just have s-off stock partition with reflex 2.0.2 with d2w script giving me 1gb of internal storage
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Also, you don't even NEED to s-off and tbh if you're a n00b I wouldn't bother until you actually need it

True u only need it for the new gingerbread roms
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Jonnibravo said:
Download this;
http://alpharev.nl/alpharev.iso
What your looking at is the type of partition table that comes after you have s-off, what u do now is flash the above file to a usb stick using this tutorial;
http://www.miui-au.com/installation/extras/alpharev/
Make sure u have a rooted stock Rom before beginning alpharev does not like data++ or d2w roms this one should be fine;
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=833310
Anything u don't understand just reply to thread
Sent from my HTC Desire using Tapatalk
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If you mean on my phone currently I am running my standard stock sense Rom that was on my phone when I got it.
The only thing its been done is rooted it with Unrevoked as per that previous link.
Will get back to you about the rest when I attempt it!

Jonnibravo said:
After u have done that u will have s-off, if u want to go further u can flash the cm7 partition table.
Personally I just have s-off stock partition with reflex 2.0.2 with d2w script giving me 1gb of internal storage
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Genuinely don't have a clue about what one bit of that means.. :/

EddyOS said:
Also, you don't even NEED to s-off and tbh if you're a n00b I wouldn't bother until you actually need it
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So what DO I need s-off for? And if I don't need it why is that guide tellin me to do it?
And chances are il prob want a gingerbread Rom at some point if that's the latest thing..

S-Off would be mostly to give you more internal storage, for apps, since you can change the size of the memory allocated to data
it's not necessary if you only want to use a new ROM
if you're going one step at a time, try a ROM or two before s-off
when you're feeling more confident, and settled on a rom, s-off and get a new partition table (because the table you choose now may not be the best for the rom you decide on in the future...)
in short; skip the s-off part for now

But you can just use A2SD or Data2SD, S-OFF isn't needed for that

Why, let him do it as process itself is as straightforward as it gets.
Later on, changing hboot are three simple commands in command prompt he can do whenever he feels to.
EddyOS said:
But you can just use A2SD or Data2SD, S-OFF isn't needed for that
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True, but a2sd with dalvik on internal provided with hboot table manipulation is more efficient than a2sd+ and data2sd scripts.

monkeon said:
S-Off would be mostly to give you more internal storage, for apps, since you can change the size of the memory allocated to data
it's not necessary if you only want to use a new ROM
if you're going one step at a time, try a ROM or two before s-off
when you're feeling more confident, and settled on a rom, s-off and get a new partition table (because the table you choose now may not be the best for the rom you decide on in the future...)
in short; skip the s-off part for now
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And what is a partition table? Another new one on me..
Ideally I want to do some cool stuff with my phone, maybe put new splash screens on it that other people have made of course , new roms, get free apps n stuff, n make use of my 16gb SD card..
Its more just I don't properly understand the whole s-off business in that guide, although the rest of t seems straightforwardish

monkeon said:
S-Off would be mostly to give you more internal storage, for apps, since you can change the size of the memory allocated to data
it's not necessary if you only want to use a new ROM
if you're going one step at a time, try a ROM or two before s-off
when you're feeling more confident, and settled on a rom, s-off and get a new partition table (because the table you choose now may not be the best for the rom you decide on in the future...)
in short; skip the s-off part for now
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You can also change splash screens and flash unsigned zips through
fastboot - useful if your phone gets screwed up and won't boot to rom or recovery!
I'm in agreement though, I did s-off a few weeks after root.

UberNoobster said:
And what is a partition table? Another new one on me..
Ideally I want to do some cool stuff with my phone, maybe put new splash screens on it that other people have made of course , new roms, get free apps n stuff, n make use of my 16gb SD card..
Its more just I don't properly understand the whole s-off business in that guide, although the rest of t seems straightforwardish
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the internal memory of the phone is 437mb
this memory is divided into different parts: system(for rom etc), cache and data(apps etc)
this is basically the partition table; how much is allocated to what.
some roms need more space than others. some roms handle the cache differently (use sd card for it). people generally want to have more memory for data.
the way the desire is when you buy it gives 250mb to the system and 40 to the cache, leaving 147mb for data
if you use the cm7 table for example (found on alpharev site) you will have 302mb for data and apps. about twice as much as a desire straight out of the box
ok, if you want to change the splash screen you will have to s-off.
free apps can be installed without even rooting i think. making use of the sd card -> put music and movies on there!
on the alpharev site, you dont need to get any of the "data++" "oxygen" etc partition tables to do the s-off part. but you need to s-off to use them!
at the top, the "alpharev 1.8 hboot reflash utility" is what you need at this point
it will be a disc image. when you've downloaded it, burn it as per the guide and follow the video (which i havent watched.. so i cant say if it will be clear). you should now be s-off'ed
if you later want to go for a new partition table, find out what would work best for your rom... Though i think it's best at this point to find out which rom you are going to want for the long term, since wiping the phone and changing the tables and all that sh*t is very tedious.

monkeon said:
the internal memory of the phone is 437mb
this memory is divided into different parts: system(for rom etc), cache and data(apps etc)
this is basically the partition table; how much is allocated to what.
some roms need more space than others. some roms handle the cache differently (use sd card for it). people generally want to have more memory for data.
the way the desire is when you buy it gives 250mb to the system and 40 to the cache, leaving 147mb for data
if you use the cm7 table for example (found on alpharev site) you will have 302mb for data and apps. about twice as much as a desire straight out of the box
ok, if you want to change the splash screen you will have to s-off.
free apps can be installed without even rooting i think. making use of the sd card -> put music and movies on there!
on the alpharev site, you dont need to get any of the "data++" "oxygen" etc partition tables to do the s-off part. but you need to s-off to use them!
at the top, the "alpharev 1.8 hboot reflash utility" is what you need at this point
it will be a disc image. when you've downloaded it, burn it as per the guide and follow the video (which i havent watched.. so i cant say if it will be clear). you should now be s-off'ed
if you later want to go for a new partition table, find out what would work best for your rom... Though i think it's best at this point to find out which rom you are going to want for the long term, since wiping the phone and changing the tables and all that sh*t is very tedious.
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Right, so basically the different partition tables on alpharev site like data++, oxygen, all just mean they will allocate a different amount of mem to your phone depending on what you want?
I've burnt it to the USB but I don't know if its done properly, there's an ALPHA zip file and some other stuff on my USB stick now so how will I know if its right n good to plug my phone in and s-off betc etc?
Btw thanks to all of you for your patience!!

UberNoobster said:
Right, so basically the different partition tables on alpharev site like data++, oxygen, all just mean they will allocate a different amount of mem to your phone depending on what you want?
!!
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Well, to an extent...
Oxygen is a very small rom and uses the SD for cache(?), so you can have the large /data. But using the oxygen partition table for any other rom will result in the rom being too big for /system -> it wont work.
What you should have downloaded and burned will be something.ISO
Its not totally clear on the site, but there is large text near the top; " AlphaRev 1.8 HBOOT reflash utility" click that to get the ISO
The zip files (data++ , cm7 etc) come into play after you've followed the video about s-off
What roms are you looking to try?
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monkeon said:
Well, to an extent...
Oxygen is a very small rom and uses the SD for cache(?), so you can have the large /data. But using the oxygen partition table for any other rom will result in the rom being too big for /system -> it wont work.
What you should have downloaded and burned will be something.ISO
Its not totally clear on the site, but there is large text near the top; " AlphaRev 1.8 HBOOT reflash utility" click that to get the ISO
The zip files (data++ , cm7 etc) come into play after you've followed the video about s-off
What roms are you looking to try?
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I downloaded a ISO file and burnt it to USB stick as per the tutorial earlier. What I've now got is am ALPHA file and a couple other files here n there so is that it good to s-off?
Haven't decided on a ROM yet, not looked properly as I thought I could s-off first then pick my ROM whenever I got round to it as the phone would still work normally though it s-offed.

Why don't you listen to more experienced members like EddyOS and just leave it well alone for the time being. Root is more than enough to try different roms and customization/modding.
It is easy to do it once you know what you are doing. BUT, if i was you, i'd just wait a bit till you get more confident with all the custom stuff.
Again, s-off is not a MUST!
What you are asking here is near enough step by step guide of how to do it, which is a clear indicator that you are not ready to do it.
erklat said:
Why, let him do it as process itself is as straightforward as it gets.
Later on, changing hboot are three simple commands in command prompt he can do whenever he feels to.
True, but a2sd with dalvik on internal provided with hboot table manipulation is more efficient than a2sd+ and data2sd scripts.
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Because, if something goes wrong, it's your fault, as you didn't mention something. He obviously couldn't sue you for that, but who needs the blame they don't deserve?
UberNoobster, i'm not saying that you are going to blame anyone if something goes wrong, but to me, if person recommends something, he is vouching for it hence takes responsibility.

I've had my phone rooted for like 8 months and I have yet to S-Off my device.
I really wouldn't recommend it for you if you have no idea what you are doing. Root is a good place to begin and right now you have the ability to customize your phone in many many ways.
Try out a new rom (may I suggest leedroid as a place to start.) Once you have a solid knowledge of the basics, then, and only then, should you make the choice if you should S-off.
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Ok thanks guys, and thank tinky and shaboola.
I see what you guys are saying, only reason I was gonna try to s-off was to get it done and dusted and out the road. But maybe I should leave it..
Do I still need to partition my SD card and take a nandroid back up and all that jazz when putting on a custom Rom, or do I need s-off for those things?
Cheers

Should I flash a new HBoot?

Hey, guys!
I'm considering whether or not I should flash the CM7r2 HBoot on my Desire. It's already S-Off, currently running coolexe's Cool3D Aces v3. As this will be my first time flashing a new HBoot, I have a couple of questions:
1. What are the advantages of flashing a different HBoot? I already know it changes the partitions layout, so I'll get more space for data/apps, but are there any other differences, like more stability/speed in CM7r2 ROM versions?
2. What's the easiest/safest way to flash? I plan on using the PB99IMG method or the Android Flasher as I'm not really familiar with adb commands and stuff.
3. I realize there's always a risk involved, but in the event that something goes wrong, will the phone be permanently bricked or is there still a chance I might be able to get it working again?
Sorry for the noob questions and thanks to anyone who takes the time to answer.

1)Most devs seem to use CM7r2 as their standard hboot of choice. So what you'll find is that there will be more rom's available for you to flash, giving you more choice of what you want. Another big advantage is that in most cases it'll save you from having to flash another stock hboot zip over the rom, which seems to be a way some devs overcome the stock hboot issue.
2)I have no clue how to use adb, but Android Flasher has always worked well for me, and as a bonus it's an easy way to flash splash screens, boot animations, radio's etc.
3)Like you said there's always a risk involved with messing with the systems in your phone. But your pretty much golden if you do your research before hand and follow the guides that have been posted (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1016084 is a good one).
And in the unlikely event that something does go wrong there's loads of great guys on here who can help with pretty much any problem.

1) Not for speed or stability, no
2) They're all easy. PB99IMG.zip is my least favourite as you have to remember to remove the zip from SD or you'll be prompted to install it again every time you go to hboot. I use fastboot commands (nothing to do with adb at all - See FAQ in my signature) and android flasher is just a gui for fastboot commands
3) Ensure you get and check the MD5 checksum of the hboot before flashing to ensure it matches. Dont do anything stupid like pulling power or connection whilst flashing and you should be fine. Flashing a corrupt Hboot can cause brick (all bricks are permanent, anything that calls itself a brick and is fixable is not a brick)

rootSU said:
2) They're all easy. PB99IMG.zip is my least favourite as you have to remember to remove the zip from SD or you'll be prompted to install it again every time you go to hboot.
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I rename them to like pb99img-stock.zip and pb99img-cm7.zip so that I don't get that prompt everytime I want to change, I just rename it back.... I find it the easiest method(probably because i was without pc for over a month ) but fastboot is the safest. Always double check (if not triple) the Md5
Ps. You can check it through phone too... Using hash Droid from the market
...aes eht rednu
peed morf tneS

Thanks a million, guys!
I Just flashed CM7r2 HBoot using PB99IMG.zip, worked like a charm in a matter of seconds, currently restoring ROM and apps

Sweet, it were the same for me
Im getting really used to this now

I cant go without my cm7 hboot lots of storage

what's the /system /data /cache ratio on hboot 6.93.0002

[Q] Can you use the Alpharev HBOOT for Desire on a HTC Buzz/Wildfire?

Hi everyone,
Does anyone know if you can use the Alpharev HBOOT for Desire on a HTC Buzz/Wildfire?
Thanks

1. No. You'll posibly brick it.
2. You can use AlphaRevX/Revolutionary

I was wondering about the Alpharev HBOOT because I wanted to resize the partitions and install the Wildfire port of OxygeN which only needs about 100MB for the system.
I've found this method to resize the partitions http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1233340 but it's not a permanent fix. Every time you want to flash a ROM update it reverts to the stock partition sizes (I know that because I've tried) so you have to run the boot patch every time.
However, what is interesting about that method is that the patch files provided are bravo-boot-v1.5.3-CustomMTD.zip and bravo-recovery-v1.5.3-CustomMTD.zip ... Spot the catch? Basically, they're the same files you use to resize the partitions on a HTC Desire which is also known as Bravo! Hence, I was thinking that if the same patch file works on both devices then maybe the HBOOT is the same on both devices !? And that kind of makes sense because in terms of hardware the Wildfire is simply a stripped down version of the Desire - remember that the Wildfire came out after the Desire and was ment to be a cheaper option of the same thing. Also, the internal memory of both devices (at least the bit where the system, cache and data partitions go) is the same size, i.e. 512MB. So, in simple terms it may just work!
Yet, I was wondering if anyone else has tried that before because I really wouldn't want to brick my girlfriend's phone... She would definitely kill me!
Anyway, thanks for the response and if I decide to give it a go I'll let you know what was the result.

I wouldn't try the HBoot's, to be honest. Yes, the attachments on that thread are lifted from the Bravo thread, as is (I mention it in the OP), but, they only modify the CWM Recovery, unlike the HBoot, which contains boot info as well.
Anyway, if you are feeling brave, bravo (See what I did there? ), but, as I said, I wouldn't.

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I wouldn't try the HBoot's, to be honest. Yes, the attachments on that thread are lifted from the Bravo thread, as is (I mention it in the OP), but, they only modify the CWM Recovery, unlike the HBoot, which contains boot info as well.
Anyway, if you are feeling brave, bravo (See what I did there? ), but, as I said, I wouldn't.
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Ok... well, then maybe I won't try after all...

[Q] Complete noob humbly asking for help

Hey guys,
I've been around the Defy forum for quite a while now; however, my Desire is back from the dead and now my beloved
Motorola Defy is retired, which means that I'll be getting to know this forum instead!
Right now I have absolutely nothing. Just a TELUS Desire GSM on 2.2 stock froyo. Can someone point me in the right
direction for rooting and S-OFF? Do I need to unlock my bootloader as well for most ROMs?
I have this ROM in mind:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1980122
Everything is pretty straightforward except for a few things:
Someone PLEASE help me, but I'm not going to be demanding or anything. So help me if you can.
1. How the hell did you guys end up with, like, 10 different recoveries and HBOOTs? I've heard CM7R2, stock, Amon RA, among others.
Someone can clarify this?
2. I don't get the partition things at all. For the above ROM what do I need?
3. And just how to root and S-OFF and unlock BL if I need to...
4. A simple procedure for all this maybe?:silly:
5. A simple explanation on how HBOOT and recovery and custom recovery work? On the Defy, we had a 2nd-init and 2nd-boot that basically
launched a custom ROM and kernel on top of stock because the bootloader was locked down. The CWM recovery was accessible from the bootmenu, which was in turn launched by pressing volume-down at the blue LED halfway through boot.
6. Last and not most important does the ROM above (Cooldroid Revolution 9.0) have working Wifi? It says it's "fast, smooth and stable" but...
Thanks so much.

Soooo...
Welcome to the Desire forums.
You should start by ignoring anything that has to do with the Defy. You don't need to unlock the bootloader.
Now, let's start with s-off.
Follow this tutorial Long link, and ignore step 2.
After you're s-off, you should install 4ext recovery. It's the best recovery for the Desire.
In this guide, you will install 4ext, and create an ext partition on your sd-card. The partition is allocated for more internal memory (more apps).
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2125513
Read every guide carefully. You will learn a lot.
After you did those things, you can install a custom ROM. I don't recommend you use the one you mentioned as a daily one. It's still a work in progress, and has a lot of bugs.
There are many hboots. When you change hboot, you change the way the internal memory is partitioned.
For example, the cm7r2 hboot has a smaller system allocated space than the stock hboot.
You usually change hboots to get more app space.

Thanks!
But what about root? What tool should I use?
Edit: never mind, I saw the guide link in your signature
I'll get back to you when I'm done rooting. Fingers crossed.

You will root it when you either install a custom rom, or install the supersu zip.

So I read up on some guides that told me to use unrevoked, so I have this reflash_package.exe ready to go. I've uninstalled HTC sync because unrevoked tells me to.
Just one question: I can only use CWM recovery if using unrevoked? That's the default, and only recovery available with it. Can I just download the 4EXTRecoveryUpdater.apk later and change it to 4ext recovery?
If I end up somehow with a ROM that does not boot, how do I fix it? Flash an original RUU?

Why didn't you just listen to me? You don't need unrevoked.
Did you backup before flashing a rom? If you did, then restore it..
Flash another rom, or flash the 2.3 ruu.

abaaaabbbb63 said:
Why didn't you just listen to me? You don't need unrevoked.
Did you backup before flashing a rom? If you did, then restore it..
Flash another rom, or flash the 2.3 ruu.
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I did it! Thank you so much for helping me, despite all my noobiness in this forum.
I'm running Cooldroid Revolution 9.0 now. Again, thanks so much. About 7 hours later after I started reading up
and working with my Desire, I've learned a lot of things about S-OFF and HBOOT and EXT4.
I did a nandroid backup of my original 2.2 ROM before I formatted my SD card and it's backed up on my new
fat32 and my desktop as well. I guess I'm safe for now.
Oh and one more thing, are RUUs like a last-ditch attempt to save your phone? I remember there was a 2.3 RUU upgrade
that came in the form of an .exe and you just needed to plug your phone in, the .exe would do all the upgrading stuff for you.

Yeah. Ruu's are usually the last things that can save your roms.

Even noobier
I am even more of a noob than anyone else I've seen on here.
I am a college student, and I'm considered the best programmer in my class, so I was hired by my school to develop a mobile app for the admissions department. One of my classmates already developed one for apple, but he graduated, so my job is to create one for Android. They are fully aware that mobile app development is not taught here, and none of the people I will be working with knows anything about it either, so it is going to be interesting, to say the least.
My best language is C#, so Java should be no problem, but I am completely at a loss as to where to start. All the app development information I've been able to find is geared toward Ice Cream Sandwich, but I want to make sure my app works on Gingerbread because of its huge market share, plus anything newer.
I've looked at the "beginners" threads on here but I don't understand even half of what people are saying (I speak geek but it's a completely different dialect lol). Is there a resource somewhere where a good C#, Visual Basic, and SQL programmer can teach herself something completely new, and do it right?

Try this guide:
http://developer.android.com/training/index.html

Thanks, I will look into that
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