For those that didn't get the news...
http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/26/htc-officially-dissolves-locked-bootlader-policy/
http://www.facebook.com/HTC/posts/10150307320018084
They just announced that they won't be locking the bootloaders anymore... now give us a way to S-OFF our phones...
this is a really great move. i'm super excited about them doing this.
however, will they unlock the inc2 bootloader through an ota update or something? or will it only be for new phones, i really hope we get it for s-off
Yes, now if they will just make that policy retroactive...
Someone send an email to HTC asking if it will cover the dinc2. I've seen people on the EVO 3d forums receiving answers.
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I have no evidence of this, but if HTC has agreed that already released hardware with locked loaders (EVO 3D) will get unlocked, my guess is all locked devices will get the same treatment.
Good question, Ted. We definately understand the concern regarding the phones with bootloaders that are currently locked. At this point in time, we don't have any information on if and how existing locked bootloaders will be unlocked. Though, once we reach a decision and plan regarding the currently locked phones, we'll definately announce this through our website, as well as Facebook & Twitter, as well. Stay tuned; we'll definately let you know, as soon as the information becomes available.
I asked and this is what they said. So I guess they don't know or don't want to tell me?
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I'm a bit nervous because I received a personal email response high up from HTC (The CEO) just a few hours after I sent an email ranting about the locking down of their devices. I followed up with a question about devices that have already been shipped, and if they would be unlocked with future OTA updates.
I received no answer, so then I emailed them again asking the same question with more "detail" and still no response. I then called their North America headquarters inquiring about the same thing—nobody had an answer there either.
I hope they do the right thing—I don't have insurance on this phone, but if the policy isn't retroactive, and it is only for new devices, I'm sure I can get this thing returned due to my "special" customer service interactions.
And by "special," I mean super *****y and aggressive. LOL. This thing is riddled with bugs that you can easily use to your advantage if you want to return it, even if you don't have insurance, or if you are past the 14 day window.
Move to proper forum.
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Their English is so bad, lol.
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Ill bet that decision changes too. It doesn't look at all official there so we still have hope.
Yup...Tapatalk'd
I would highly recommend that rooting efforts continue. I would be (pleasantly) surprised if unlocking happens. Keep in mind that public postings from the CEO like the one on Facebook are put together by their PR, not the CEO himself, and they specially craft their comments, meaning "unlock" was not mentioned and probably won't happen.
As far as I've seen, HTC has been quite active answering questions about this except for the ones that involve currently locked devices.
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As far as I've seen, HTC has been quite active answering questions about this except for the ones that involve currently locked devices.
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I think (or at least I hope) that this means that they just haven't made that decision yet, as opposed to the possibility that they have made the decision to not unlock the bootloader but don't want to say that at this time. I think that decisions like this involving currently carrier-locked phones involve more than just HTC, and Verizon likely has a large say in the matter. (Because unlocking the bootloader is the first step to unlocking the radio which Verizon certainly doesn't want)
If I were a little more curious than I am right now, I might contact Verizon and see what they have to say about it.
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I started hearing about the ROM over on some Dell Streak blogs and had a thought I was worried about...but wonder if I am just being paranoid.
Where is MIUI from? Is this in some actual consumer phone that is on a major network? Has anyone actually met these people that wrote this?
I see on their website that they are working with some of the devs here and supposedly have submitted the FM app to Cyanogen:
http://www.miui.com/thread-1687-1-1.html (Not much more than that page unless you can read Chinese which I cannot.)
I guess my paranoia sets in when I see things come out like this fully baked and being adopted blindly by the masses. We saw games just last year that were doing random calls and that was from a site people trusted.
Sorry if this seems tinfoil hatty, but really what better way to sink a trojan/backdoor into a ton of phones than to release a super cool looking bit of software that no-one is really going to dig through and vette? So my question is do people here really trust this software? Have the Dev's torn it apart enough to feel they know everything in it?
It's an AOSP-based ROM developed by some Chinese folks to make their phones into KIRF iPhones.
I at one point thought the same thing about it. I thought about where it came from, and all the jazz with the same paranoid mindset. Then I thought about it more, and realized I wouldn't be doing anything on my phone that would be of any interest to anyone. I'm sure its probably legit. There are other poeple that have had to go through and port it to English and more fun stuff. I would assume they have taken a decent look at it.
Just like that live wallpaper with the malware in it, I'm sure someone will find a rouge code. Im sure it will be viral too as apple fanboys would jump all over it discrediting Android. But to be on the safe side, I'd only use ROMs from here and other trusted dev forums, from devs with a good rep. At least you'll know its honest work.
Yes, you're being a bit "tinfoil hatty." Google MIUI dev and you'll see the english forum from xda members that are dedicated to this rom's development. I'm sure that they have broken down most of the rom and you can get more information there.
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But to be on the safe side, I'd only use ROMs from here and other trusted dev forums, from devs with a good rep. At least you'll know its honest work.
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I how you' re trying (unsuccessfully) to be funny. Here's a newsflash, there are android geeks, honest ones even, all over the world!!
Really, if the Chinese were trying to gather information via some device that millions upon millions of Americans would use (and no, that would not be the MIUI on Android), they would probably tap the ipod, iphone, and ipad - all of which are made in China.
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Just like that live wallpaper with the malware in it, I'm sure someone will find a rouge code. Im sure it will be viral too as apple fanboys would jump all over it discrediting Android. But to be on the safe side, I'd only use ROMs from here and other trusted dev forums, from devs with a good rep. At least you'll know its honest work.
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ROFLMAO !
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I recently purchased a Samsung Galaxy S II T989 off of craigslist. It was described as Brand New, and came with box and all original accessories, etc. Still had screen protectors and everything on it, so i assumed i would have no problems. I am using AT&T and wanting to unlock it so that i wouldn't have to switch carriers. I paid a pretty reputable website 25$ for the unlock code, which i received and entered as directed.
I attempted to enter my SIM and i get an invalid SIM message. I called Samsung to figure it out and they had me send them the phone. They received it and inspected it to ensure nothing was wrong. They then tested the IMEI which came back as a black-listed phone, but would not disclose the reason.
So t-mobile will offer me no help what so ever, nor will samsung. I try calling the *#7465625# number to test if the phone is unlocked, but i get an error message stating "The process com.android.phone has stopped unexpectedly" and i have only one option which is force quit. I used the factory reset option a couple times to see if this helped at all, and got nothing.
I only have experience with iphones, so i really know nothing about the android OS. I've heard a lot about "rooting" and such for the unlock but it's like a whole different language for me. If anyone could help it would be greatly appreciated. This phone has just been sitting in my drawer for the past month because i have absolutely no idea what to do.
Sounds to me like you may have bought a phone that someone perhaps filled an insurance claim on. I know I had a phone taken once and filed a claim on it and got a new one, eventually got the old one back and when a friend took it in it was taken on the spot. This may or may not be the case.
Yup sounds like someone bought a phone, Reported it lost,Kept the replacement, and sold you the stolen one. The same thing happened to me about a year ago with a HTC G2 from craigslist. You could try rooting (really not as scary as it seems) putting a new ROM then try to unlock again
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That is what i'm assuming the case is. I've heard of friends and such running into the problem, but never thought i would fall victim to it.
Do you know where i might be able to find a rooting guide for a complete noob like myself? Step by step in depth kind of stuff? Would the fact that the phone is blacklisted cause me to get the error i'm getting whenever i try to test the unlock? Is it possible to unlock the phone for another GSM carrier even though it is blacklisted with t-mobile.
Explore all the options of getting your money back. If no good, you can always try to get someone to chqnge the imei for you, beware tho, its same illegal as changing vin plate on a car. Theoretically noone will help you, but practically, there are plenty shops selling nintendo cardridges with 100 original games in one...
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You cannot ask on here how to fix this problem. It is against the rules, and illegal. This thread will be closed.. Just saying.
Ebay it with bad efs in the title, sell for parts, will probably get a coupe hundred for it. Don't buy a phone off frauds list unless you meet them at the retail store and have the number ran. At least then if they report it stolen you have some record of the transaction and may be able to get it UN black listed. Crappy situation that is for sure.
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As stated, the course of action you were proposing is illegal and therefore discussing it on the forum will not be tolerated.
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Hello fellow XDA Member!
This thread will serve as a reminder of why we decided to keep our phone stock. Tell us your reason!
So, I made a promise to myself. I will keep my bootloader locked, phone unrooted, and stay away from any real customization. I have tried many ROMs, kernels, etc and I have yet to find a better configuration than stock.
Feels free to comment if you believe aftermarket firmware is better than what Google tested and approved to be used on our device.
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Lol, no.
Are you trying to create a thread where people just argue?
Its much easier to troll with a stock phone? This is like going on a car website to ask who likes riding bicycles.
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Stock ROMs do not feel as sluggish because they are odexed.
Custom kernels make your device act up sooner or later. That's the reason why those threads have MILLIONS of views and thousands of comments. Troubleshooting never ends. Besides, if these kernels were really making an improvement on user experience, Google would hire these people, right?
Custom ROMs, is that extra navigation button or battery percentage worth all the time you will spend flashing new versions, reading XDA, helping other members troubleshoot? I have always noticed that person A creates a ROM, person B is the #1 fanboy which spends all day in the thread answering all kinds of questions and dismisses any reports of problems with his Master's creation. Person A barely communicates with person B.
I could list more...
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Its like buying a Ferrari and never going over 30.
Sure it looks nice and drives nice, but there's so much more potential.
I feel bad for your phone, trapped in a cage never to realise its full potential.
RIP soldiers gnex.
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What the
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Soldier 2.0 said:
Hello fellow XDA Member!
This thread will serve as a reminder of why we decided to keep our phone stock. Tell us your reason!
So, I made a promise to myself. I will keep my bootloader locked, phone unrooted, and stay away from any real customization. I have tried many ROMs, kernels, etc and I have yet to find a better configuration than stock.
Feels free to comment if you believe aftermarket firmware is better than what Google tested and approved to be used on our device.
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stock android, google tested and approved for you to use http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/list
thank you OP for ignorantly venting your personal issues with custom roms on xda. No, custom roms likely are not for you since you are looking for stability and out of the box usage. Custom roms are for those who are looking to learn and develop and push the boundaries of our devices. As with any rom here YMMV.
This will undoubtedly go nowhere. The reason why we are here is to improve our phones and our experience with our device. So you will get a lot of members that will not take kindly to this, so I am going to close it before it gets to that point. Thank you for understanding. :highfive:
My first droid was a Motorola Droid X. Moved on to the X2 and then the nexus. I'm not 100% positive, but I think the X came out in 2010. Both the X and X2 were EOL by VZW pretty quickly. Which I thought was odd especially since the X2 was the first dual core phone if memory serves me correctly.
Anyways my dad was telling me he got notified about a system update today. I told him there was no freaking way Verizon sent an OTA to his phone. So it was booting and when it booted back up I saw that message. (Picture attached.)
So the Droid X just got what looks to be an OTA kernel update. I honestly never thought that phone would see any kind of OTA, ever again.
So what do you think this means as far as an official 4.3 or possibly KitKat OTA from Big Red for our phones? I posted a topic in that phones forum, but I figured I would post it here and see what you guys thought about it and if it means maybe we will get an update. Just something to discuss. If I'm breaking the rules mods feel free to lock this.
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So what do you think this means as far as an official 4.3 or possibly KitKat OTA from Big Red for our phones? I posted a topic in that phones forum, but I figured I would post it here and see what you guys thought about it and if it means maybe we will get an update. Just something to discuss. If I'm breaking the rules mods feel free to lock this.
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I don't think this belongs in the Galaxy Nexus forum for one, but there's absolutely no way it's even a 4.3 update, much less Kitkat.
Motorola long ago confirmed it wouldn't even get ICS, correct? Motorola during that time had a terrible habit of releasing phones that were practically EOL'd at launch (I know, I own a Droid 2 Global).
I can say with 99.9% certainty it's probably a small patch that does something like close exploits.
Yeah that's about all it does. Looks like it's a couple days old, too. Just got pushed to my dads phone today is all.
I just posted this here because our phone really wasn't updated that long ago by Verizon but a lot of forum members I see in different topics seem doubtful the Verizon nexus will ever see 4.3, let alone KitKit. I understand we're talking about kernel exploit patches vs operating systems here, but if they'll update a phone that old (just a patch or not) is there maybe hope they are working on our phone still? Maybe just wishful thinking? :/
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Yeah that's about all it does. Looks like it's a couple days old, too. Just got pushed to my dads phone today is all.
I just posted this here because our phone really wasn't updated that long ago by Verizon but a lot of forum members I see in different topics seem doubtful the Verizon nexus will ever see 4.3, let alone KitKit. I understand we're talking about kernel exploit patches vs operating systems here, but if they'll update a phone that old (just a patch or not) is there maybe hope they are working on our phone still? Maybe just wishful thinking? :/
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Well, it would be on Motorola and Google to make the updates for the Droid X2 and the Galaxy Nexus, respectively. Verizon's only part is in their "extensive testing" that delays everything to ensure phones aren't doing something to screw with their network (but of course, Apple is exempt from these testing regulations, I guess they're somehow more trustworthy than Google).
So, it's not really Verizon potentially updating the Galaxy Nexus, it's Verizon accepting and pushing out Google's update (hypothetically- we don't know if they will bother updating the toro devices to 4.3+ or not).
This means that Motorola would have to make an update and submit it to Verizon, and considering they have already said the device will not be updated past Gingerbread, I don't think that will happen.
That's why I really only advocate getting onto a GSM carrier and buying an unlocked Nexus device from Google to anyone I know who expects timely Android updates.
The Verizon galaxy nexus will eventually be updated. Likely after the next update so WiFi auto connect isn't broken. Right now it is and that's a major issue.
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I got this message to update my phone. I am gonna call verizon and tell them to stop sending me stupid messages like this.
Anyone else get this text from verizon?
I have updates blocked on my S8+
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I am still running Build AQGL and reading all the negative posts on here about the last few updates. I think I will just stay on this build. Still gonna call the big V and be put on the do not ever bother list.
It's funny they try to scare you into updating your phone. I have never ever had an issue with calling out.
well good luck not being able to make calls to certain devices. I can't understand why you wouldn't want to be informed of OS issues like this. suit yourself.
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well good luck not being able to make calls to certain devices. I can't understand why you wouldn't want to be informed of OS issues like this. suit yourself.
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Funny I don't have issues... If I did I would just go back to using my rooted Moto X Pure anyway or the Note 4. I always have a few phones to use on standby.
Plus there are alot of negitive posts about the updates and people wanting to flash back so why take the update. I don't see a reason.
Don't try to fix what's not broke. So far my S8+ is doing well other than we can't unlock the bootloader and root.
I will move on to another device before long that is. :good:
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Another reason not to update... You do these updates and all Verizon does is put more crap apps on your phone... I would never buy a branded verizon phone again. unlocked is the only way to go.
Then you don't get to ***** when the tides are turned and the unlocked versions are the last ones to get any kind of update on them. Cause lately that's what I've been seeing...the unlocked versions may not have any "carrier bloat" but they are SO FAR behind in updates (Security or OS updates)
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Another reason not to update... You do these updates and all Verizon does is put more crap apps on your phone... I would never buy a branded verizon phone again. unlocked is the only way to go.
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Then you don't get to ***** when the tides are turned and the unlocked versions are the last ones to get any kind of update on them. Cause lately that's what I've been seeing...the unlocked versions may not have any "carrier bloat" but they are SO FAR behind in updates (Security or OS updates)
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Don't really care about updates... If the phone works I leave it alone!!
If I was worried about it I would go back to rooting and do the custom ROM thing again.
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