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ok. i have had a tilt, fuze, and tilt 2 now through att over the past 22 months and i dont mean to sound like a man in a tinfoil hat but are they purposely killing our phones? follow me here... i had 2 devices on verizon in 2 years and they were completely stock and worked until the end of my contract,the only reason i had 2 was i broke the first and they replaced it with a newer one through the insurance program. i came to att for the tilt. for the first few months it was awesome, then it all went to crud.reloads wouldnt help. started warranty exchanging til i was blue in the face, about 5 devices, each replacement came back with the exact same problems the original one took months to develop. they swapped me for a fuze. same story, worked flawlessly for a couple months. even running hacked roms and registry edits... then it all went south. started the exchange game. 7 fuzes later they again offered me the one time upgrade for the second time.... alas the tilt 2. incredible phone... ran cooked roms and reg edits without a problem. all my apps never had any issues. then it all started. played the reload game.. nothing seemed to help. around the same time my girlfriends tilt 2 and her dads started with the exact same issues as mine and hers was stock, his was modded. coincidence? now. im playing the warranty exchange game again. and this time there have been 2 insurance phones thrown in the mix , 1 fell down a ladder, one didnt survive my frustration with att. 8 phones later. thursday i open a box with a brand new tilt 2. boot it up. load my minimal requirements to make me happy and out of the gate it has the same issues!!!!!! dropped call, screen orientation issues, lock up constantly, txt message issues, audio issues, bluetooth issues... you name it! its been upgraded to latest software. theres nothing left to tweak on it. att's advice to me was" you are eligible for an upgrade, u should switch to the iphone" im sorry but i have no use for that thing, this is their only current winmo buisness class phone with a keyboard for my fat fingers and it DOESNT WORK! internet is USELESS. is this their way of forcing us to upgrade or do i need to adjust my tin foil hat so the aliens cant read my mind? dont wanna sound like a nut but somethings up. my new non refurbished replacement should be here monday or tuesday. i don't even know if its worth opening the box. this has me ready to pull the plug on att and switch to evo.

Am I getting you right, 20 phones in 22 months?
All I can think is, EXTREMELY bad run on luck on phones. I got the original Tilt at launch and used it (2 years) until the Tilt2 launched, and have had that handset since. Both work perfectly. In fact, I still use the old Tilt as a "backup" once in a while (loaned it to a co-worker a couple times this year when he needed a phone that would roam in Japan).

Mydixiwrecked00 said:
ok. i have had a tilt, fuze, and tilt 2 now through att over the past 22 months and i dont mean to sound like a man in a tinfoil hat but are they purposely killing our phones? follow me here... i had 2 devices on verizon in 2 years and they were completely stock and worked until the end of my contract,the only reason i had 2 was i broke the first and they replaced it with a newer one through the insurance program. i came to att for the tilt. for the first few months it was awesome, then it all went to crud.reloads wouldnt help. started warranty exchanging til i was blue in the face, about 5 devices, each replacement came back with the exact same problems the original one took months to develop. they swapped me for a fuze. same story, worked flawlessly for a couple months. even running hacked roms and registry edits... then it all went south. started the exchange game. 7 fuzes later they again offered me the one time upgrade for the second time.... alas the tilt 2. incredible phone... ran cooked roms and reg edits without a problem. all my apps never had any issues. then it all started. played the reload game.. nothing seemed to help. around the same time my girlfriends tilt 2 and her dads started with the exact same issues as mine and hers was stock, his was modded. coincidence? now. im playing the warranty exchange game again. and this time there have been 2 insurance phones thrown in the mix , 1 fell down a ladder, one didnt survive my frustration with att. 8 phones later. thursday i open a box with a brand new tilt 2. boot it up. load my minimal requirements to make me happy and out of the gate it has the same issues!!!!!! dropped call, screen orientation issues, lock up constantly, txt message issues, audio issues, bluetooth issues... you name it! its been upgraded to latest software. theres nothing left to tweak on it. att's advice to me was" you are eligible for an upgrade, u should switch to the iphone" im sorry but i have no use for that thing, this is their only current winmo buisness class phone with a keyboard for my fat fingers and it DOESNT WORK! internet is USELESS. is this their way of forcing us to upgrade or do i need to adjust my tin foil hat so the aliens cant read my mind? dont wanna sound like a nut but somethings up. my new non refurbished replacement should be here monday or tuesday. i don't even know if its worth opening the box. this has me ready to pull the plug on att and switch to evo.
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First off, let me start with. you should flash the new radio that is out, in my signature. Second. You should try a custom rom. as it makes this phone way worth it. The bluetooth. There is a cab out there, i will link it, that will help u with that, and also loudness of speaker, incalling, and your mic for outcalling.
These are not my cabs. i in no way take credit for them. i just found them.

My TP2 has been pissing me off lately too. Ive only had it for about 7 months, I dont have it loaded with apps, in fact there are only about 10 I use regularly and it is the stock ROM. I frequently have to do soft resets because it freezes, it takes forever to load apps, messages, just about anything takes 30 seconds or more sometimes.. when i use the retarded headphone attachment with a charger plugged in it when i play music it constantly goes to voice connect even when i have VC turned off. I recently got a free iPhone 3g cus my dad got the new i4 and I've been thinking about using it instead. If I can find comparable programs on the iphone like WMWiFiRouter and scilors groovemobile i will def. switch to the 3g.

I am on my 5th touch pro 2 from t-mobile, due to a power issue and the leaky screen. That said, after turning off manila (I hate that ****) and using a few today plugins, it works beautifully.
What really helped: overclocking it. I have it set up to be dynamic, so it clocks back when the screen is off, but good lord, did it make a difference. Using the phone, what used to be an exercise in patience is now quite enjoyable. Everything happens almost immediately, my battery still lasts me 1-2 days, and very little weirdness.
That said, I've always had the habit of just rebooting my phone whenever I plug it in to charge. No idea why, but I've never had any stability/functionality problems with my phones. They've just sometimes turned off when sliding them closed, hence the 5the phone.

Wow sounds like the gsm users are having a lot of issues lol. I'm still on my original tp2/sprint, going on 9 months now. Never had any major issues with it. Rarely do I drop a call. Have never upgraded radios. Hardware has all remained functional, and with an overclock this phone is great. Probably my favorite winmo device.
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Man this is my 1st time reading threads from general part of forum and it's hilarious.

Alright, new phone is here. I will be reloading it tomorrow night. Lets see what happens.

mangomango said:
Wow sounds like the gsm users are having a lot of issues lol. I'm still on my original tp2/sprint, going on 9 months now. Never had any major issues with it. Rarely do I drop a call. Have never upgraded radios. Hardware has all remained functional, and with an overclock this phone is great. Probably my favorite winmo device.
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Ya and now I'm with Sprint . And I hope there's no going back. They destroy HTC phones, by changing them to there specifics . Bs .... 6 years in prison with ATT, is like bubba taking Ye lunch daily...
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buttons quit working

so i bought a second hand slide for my wife maybe a month ago. it was supposedly brand new (i believe it was). i've rooted it and have cyan's latest running on it. today, however, several of the buttons quit working. home is okay and so is the genius button. but the menu, back, and touchpad have all stopped responding. is this something that's occuring with this phone with frequency? i haven't called tmobile yet as i'm currently restoring her app's from a fresh wipe but i'd thought i'd see if this has happened to anyone else.

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so i bought a second hand slide for my wife maybe a month ago. it was supposedly brand new (i believe it was). i've rooted it and have cyan's latest running on it. today, however, several of the buttons quit working. home is okay and so is the genius button. but the menu, back, and touchpad have all stopped responding. is this something that's occuring with this phone with frequency? i haven't called tmobile yet as i'm currently restoring her app's from a fresh wipe but i'd thought i'd see if this has happened to anyone else.
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No, never happened to me, did you say you already tried doing a full wipe/reflash? If that didn't work try flashing a different ROM like cr_mod or 3rd sense and see if the buttons work in those. Could be a corrupted ROM, redownload and reflash it. If you haven't already, update to 6.1.1.

next day the touch screen stopped working next. can't even answer a phone call. phone is fried. that was after upgrading. beginning to doubt htc as a phone maker. went through several g1's. my nexus has screen issues, now this. not a fan of motorola's phones. and samsung sucks too. well, she's due for an upgrade, just at a loss as to what she's going to get now. thanks for trying to offer help though

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next day the touch screen stopped working next. can't even answer a phone call. phone is fried. that was after upgrading. beginning to doubt htc as a phone maker. went through several g1's. my nexus has screen issues, now this. not a fan of motorola's phones. and samsung sucks too. well, she's due for an upgrade, just at a loss as to what she's going to get now. thanks for trying to offer help though
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What kind of torcher you putting your phones through? Lol
Seriously though, never heard of someone going through phones the way you describe. I have yet to have even 1 issue with an HTC phone. Same with any other HTC users i know.
Might i recommened the motorola defy to you lol
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guitarist5122 said:
What kind of torcher you putting your phones through? Lol
Seriously though, never heard of someone going through phones the way you describe. I have yet to have even 1 issue with an HTC phone. Same with any other HTC users i know.
Might i recommened the motorola defy to you lol
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Haha, same here. I received a used g1 from a friend, I was its fifth owner I think, it had no issues, I ended up accidentally breaking it because I fell asleep on a recliner chair and it fell out of my pocket into the recliner mechanism and got its chin crushed. Poor thing. I took it apart and wiggled the bent connector a little bit, and it actually worked for a few more months, although fragile. Now it won't turn on anymore though, totally done. It lived a long life though.
Now I'm using the same friend's old slide, which he spilled a full glass of lemonade on. It didn't work for a week, then randomly started booting, so he gave it to me since he had already gotten a vibrant. The only thing that doesn't work on it is the camera, which I couldn't care less about.
HTC phones have been great for me, you must be treating your phones like they are $40 dumbphones made by nokia.

lol! no, that would be my son who treats his g1 like a hacky sack. it's my wife who's having all the bad luck. i may try taking it apart and seeing what i can do but believe me she pretty much uses her phone as a phone and to facebook. otherwise it sits in her purse. although she has gotten into angry birds lately and i do see her getting frustrated more & more.....

You bought a second hand phone that is now failing and you're blaming the manufacturer? It sounds like to me the previous owner may not have foreclosed some previous "incident" happening to the phone.

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next day the touch screen stopped working next. can't even answer a phone call. phone is fried. that was after upgrading. beginning to doubt htc as a phone maker. went through several g1's. my nexus has screen issues, now this. not a fan of motorola's phones. and samsung sucks too. well, she's due for an upgrade, just at a loss as to what she's going to get now. thanks for trying to offer help though
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I realize I'm arriving a little late to this conversation but Im wondering if you ever figured anything out with this? My phone did the exact same thing this last weekend and after completely tearing it apart and cleaning all the connections I could, with not fix, I finally gave up and bought a G2. If you do have any ideas it would be awesome!

Same thing happened to me, I have a thread in the general section, I'm on my fifth slide
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One of the Cyanogen Mod nightlies was very unresponsive on touch and a few other things.
You can try a more stable cyanogen rom, and see if that makes a difference.

Its not that. The slide isnt just unresponsive, its not working at all. I wiped it all to start over and try a stable but now I cant get past the start up screen where you have to tap the android haha. I bought a G2 so if I fix it, it would just be to sell or as a backup. Anyone know anyone that wants to buy it?

[Q] (Q)(Salutations)(Poll) Possible Solutions (Workarounds) to Broken Power Button

Long time lurker, first time poster. Hello World! I have had my evo 4g since the end of june of 2010. It is my first smart phone and my baby. I rooted it twenty minutes after I bought it from stuff I read on xda sitting at the mall waiting on my wife to buy some shoes. I got some sort of perverted satisfaction of rooting the phone from within sight of the sprint-hut where it was purchased. I have been a recovering flashaholic ever since.
I have never posted anything because I am absurdly busy with work and I usually find that I never have a question that isn't asked and answered long before I am able to catch up on a thread. Thank you to all of the developers who have helped to push the envelope of interface design and break the mold of corporate copyrightedness to create an open society of free bootin' jail rootin' yah hoos. And thank you to all the rest of the xda community, the hosts, the users, the knuckleheads, the mentors and teachers and helpers and trolls, and whoever else. You all are nothing if not entertaining. Sorry for the preamble.
My poor little evo has taken a beating over the last fourteen months. I don't think this is the end, but it may be the beginning of the end. I am really surprised that it hasn't happened sooner.
My power button is shot. It has not functioned in any capacity for 24 hours. It does not work within sense, or in fastboot or recovery or the bootloader or anything. Pushing the button has no response. If the phone is off and I want to turn it on I have to pull the battery and replace it. Here is my question: If I take it in to a sprint store what will happen:
A. they will fix the button and the phone will be good as new
B. they they will gladly replace the phone if the power button is broken
C. they will say you are **** out of luck even with your insurance because you are rooted
D. I use the s-off tool and install a stock RUU and unroot an otherwise perfectly good if slightly battered og evo 4g with the .76 eng bootloader and kill a little bit of myself in the process.
The question is academic really. I have no intention of turning my phone into them to get "fixed" only to have them tell me that my baby has been destroyed and I am forced to get an unrootable refurb.
Here is what I have done so far for workarounds. As our phones age and our hopes of getting root on updated refurbs diminish threads like this one will become very important. "How to care for an aging Evo".
Installed No Lock to disable the lock screen and to be able to use the volume rocker to bring the phone out of sleep
Installed Screen Off and Lock to allow me to put the phone into sleep from the notification bar
I also had to install adw launcher. Lately I have been using mikg with sense widgets and the sense launcher. Unfortunately, at the time of the power button ceasing to function, I had been experimenting trying to get elements from a couple of different themes to work together and I broke my rosie. I cannot edit the widgets on my homescreen without getting a force close.
So I guess one final question: Is there a way to do recovery without a functioning power button? I guess if I am stuck forever with MikG 2.42 my evo will definitely always have some style.
I apologize for my utter lack of brevity.
peace garfilo

I had a power button issue and I was rooted.
The problem was that the button worked except you needed to really push it in to wake up the phone.
Took it to the sprint store(I have TEP) and the rep took it to the back to see if it could be repaired.
10minutes later he told me It could not be fixed and that the other rep was getting my new evo ready.
No charges or anything BUT you will get a phone with 2.3 and I noticed when the rep activated my phone he gave it to me so I could leave while the phone booted up.
Everything went well setup wizard,etc, etc and then it downloaded updates automatically.(none available since It was on 2.3 out of the box)

Is there any way to use recovery to nandroid/wipe/flash etc without a functioning power button?

Home and menu buttons flipped from Evo

Roargh! So much frustration getting used to this in the dark.
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I've been hitting the wrong one all day

mrrricky said:
Roargh! So much frustration getting used to this in the dark.
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Settings > Display > Touch key light duration > Always on. This will have the buttons lit as long as the screen is awake. It doesn't really affect my battery, and it helps me a lot since I'm coming from Evo 4G , and E3D.

i wish there was a way of replacing the menu and search keys

I've been having the same issue, its gonna take some getting used to thats for sure.

luckily i also have the droid charge with it's rearranged buttons, so going from evo4g to the et4g isn't much of a problem for me.
i prefer having back lights always off. in the dark, the physical buttons on the charge are a plus.

Holy ****.. My bad.. I just created a thread over exactly the same problem.
I "didn't read first ".
I thought it was just me.
Anyway, I'll ask that it get pulled..
And BTW,
yes.. It's definitely driving me crazy too. I'm going in with a Torx screwdriver in 5, 4, 3,......
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Drives me nuts as well! I also wish the button backlight was controlled by the ambient light sensor like the Evo.

HTC flipped their buttons from other phones. I had a nexus, matrix, mt4g and they all have the same layout as the galaxy.
Not HTC..
Important used to this layout
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downtrodn said:
HTC flipped their buttons from other phones. I had a nexus, matrix, mt4g and they all have the same layout as the galaxy.
Not HTC..
Important used to this layout
sent from my Samsung GalaxyS 2!
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Oh, well.
Then I'm f%cked.
I've ONLY owned HTC phones in the past.. and I can proudly say that I've spent a VERY unhealthy amount of time on those phones.
*This is hardwired into my head.
It would be unfair of me to even consider asking my brain to switch back, lol.
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You'll get used to it. I had an Evo and a Galaxy Tab at the same time, and I kept hitting the wrong one at first, but I eventually became bilingual and hit the right button on either device without thinking about it. I think I've hit the wrong button on the ET a few times, but it hasn't been an issue so far.
I have to say, I like the HTC arrangement better since I use the menu button more than the home button and it's easier to get to with my thumb in the middle.

Too funny. Just got my E4GT yesterday then went to show my gf something on her Evo last night and I kept hitting the wrong button. I just thought I was retarded but I guess I'm already forming habits with the E4GT.

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You'll get used to it.
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You've obviously never met my brain.
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This is killing me. I am sure there is a way to do it once full root is achieved. No one wants to experiment with a non reversible method. I have had the phone since launch day and still cannot get use to it
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It's hard to understand why this isn't standardized. Then again, it seems to be HTC that's different, and to me HMBS is more intuitive than MHBS.

ioos said:
It's hard to understand why this isn't standardized. Then again, it seems to be HTC that's different, and to me HMBS is more intuitive than MHBS.
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I don't think it's just you..
HMBS just makes a lot more freaking sense.
The Home button should be "by itself", whether that's at the end of a row (like HTC does it), or set apart completely, like maybe this:
MBS
H
This ABSOLUTELY needed to be standardized by Google.
(I'm driving to Larry Page's house right now to punch him in the mouth.)
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Evo 4g lte

I live in west Michigan and am waiting for the LTE system to be up and runningg to get my new phone after getting burned on the WiMax deal. I have become a huge fan of rooting since i did it on my evo earlier this year. I started thinking earlier today...
i wonder how long it will be before we can root the new evo 4g lte... I am not waiting to root this one, it will be done as soon as I can. I waited over a year to do my OG evo and i love the customization.

dbenney said:
I live in west Michigan and am waiting for the LTE system to be up and runningg to get my new phone after getting burned on the WiMax deal. I have become a huge fan of rooting since i did it on my evo earlier this year. I started thinking earlier today...
i wonder how long it will be before we can root the new evo 4g lte... I am not waiting to root this one, it will be done as soon as I can. I waited over a year to do my OG evo and i love the customization.
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From what I've heard, it may be a long time. Read the other threads regarding the EVO LTE. Someone posted some bad news in all of them earlier today. Seems that HTC screwed us.
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The new bootloaders are unlockable through HTC dev. So we will be able to unlock, but they are limited as they cannot mount usb in recovery.
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They will find a way to s-off after 3-4 months. They found a crazy way to get s-off on the htc rezound using a wire and touching two pins on the back of the phone when the rooting software says to. I would like to know who figured that out. Amazing
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PsiPhiDan said:
From what I've heard, it may be a long time. Read the other threads regarding the EVO LTE. Someone posted some bad news in all of them earlier today. Seems that HTC screwed us.
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I believe that NOTHING is impossible... no matter how hard phone manufacturers try to "screw" us and keep us from rooting, some dev will find a way to root/hack it. Im not eligible for my upgrade til October so that'll give them time to work it out.

One of the biggest factors for me is the non-removable battery.... I feel like that is my failsafe whenever the phone isnt responding. There better be a hot restart like holding the home and power putton like on the iPhone

Uebele23 said:
One of the biggest factors for me is the non-removable battery.... I feel like that is my failsafe whenever the phone isnt responding. There better be a hot restart like holding the home and power putton like on the iPhone
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There is. Plus there's a button combo to shut off the phone entirely, allowing you to theoretically either turn back on, or boot into recovery if something is really wrong. I think I heard you have to hold down the power button for like ten seconds straight or something like that. No worries, HTC wasn't THAT stupid.
But yes, I am of the belief that we will have our s-off eventually, and honestly, I don't need it for a while. I'm going to enjoy my new product stock, and I don't think I'll miss my flashing at all - that's how awesome this phone appears to perform. Now, down the road (6 to 12 months) when things are getting old and I want some tweaks, sure. But I bet by then, given the massive amount of popularity this phone will garner, I feel safe assuming someone will find a way around the issues.
As a side note, WOW to that story about the Rezound! That's incredible! Who decided once to just stick pins in their phone and see if that works??

PsiPhiDan said:
There is. Plus there's a button combo to shut off the phone entirely, allowing you to theoretically either turn back on, or boot into recovery if something is really wrong. I think I heard you have to hold down the power button for like ten seconds straight or something like that. No worries, HTC wasn't THAT stupid.
But yes, I am of the belief that we will have our s-off eventually, and honestly, I don't need it for a while. I'm going to enjoy my new product stock, and I don't think I'll miss my flashing at all - that's how awesome this phone appears to perform. Now, down the road (6 to 12 months) when things are getting old and I want some tweaks, sure. But I bet by then, given the massive amount of popularity this phone will garner, I feel safe assuming someone will find a way around the issues.
As a side note, WOW to that story about the Rezound! That's incredible! Who decided once to just stick pins in their phone and see if that works??
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Thanks for clearing that up for me!