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[Q] not available in teh region

Hee guys.
I have a huge problem, because i'm not able to log in the market place. I'm in the netherlands, I changed my region here https://account.live.com/summarypage.aspx
but my phone and zune software stills ays, not available, can anyone help em, please
very kind regards
victor

Computer region needs to change to US as well for zune software

lip said:
Computer region needs to change to US as well for zune software
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If they do not change this option soon WP7 will fail. There is a massive market outside the USA.
I still cant believe we have to do this when the phone is sold world wide.

agp64 said:
If they do not change this option soon WP7 will fail. There is a massive market outside the USA.
I still cant believe we have to do this when the phone is sold world wide.
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+1
definitely true. the reason why the iPhone succeeds is because it's app store is available around the world with over 70 countries, mine included.
Getting a Windows phone was the best decision i made, until found out i can't buy paid apps off the marketplace, you need a US credit card or something.
This marketing strategy is a potential WP7 killer.

I think the app marketplace is available in most places...at least in their initial target areas. The guy is from the netherlands so I assume he's after a zune pass and for that MS is beholden to the recording industry but I believe they'll have a solution for all their target markets, perhaps not all having the zune pass, but they will all be able to buy the music.

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I think the app marketplace is available in most places...at least in their initial target areas. The guy is from the netherlands so I assume he's after a zune pass and for that MS is beholden to the recording industry but I believe they'll have a solution for all their target markets, perhaps not all having the zune pass, but they will all be able to buy the music.
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that makes me curious. Iphone has music streaming now, right? Does that work everywhere?
I think some of the problem that microsoft is having is that some countries want more money for the streaming rights than in the USA.

Apple doesn't have streaming like zune pass natively....you can get third party software in the app store I think.
The problem for sure is what the content owners want financially...I was old by an MS rep that in Canada for insance, SOCAN (content industry reps) are wanting a ridiculous amount of money...from what I gather they are not really interested in the rental idea to the point where it would make sense for a consumer to purchase it...
As much as I'd like to blame MS for incompetent negotiating, the music industry is notoriously stupid and short term in their thinking...

lip said:
The guy is from the netherlands so I assume he's after a zune pass and for that MS is beholden to the recording industry but I believe they'll have a solution for all their target markets, perhaps not all having the zune pass, but they will all be able to buy the music.
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Actually no, Zune doesn't work for apps either unless you change the region.

Zune pass does also not work in Germany but that problem is not related to MS or to Zune but to the GEMA. -> http://www.gema.de/en/
Thanks to them wanting astronomical amounts of money, most streaming services etc are not possible in Germany. REALLY annoying

pencilcase said:
Zune pass does also not work in Germany but that problem is not related to MS or to Zune but to the GEMA. -> http://www.gema.de/en/
Thanks to them wanting astronomical amounts of money, most streaming services etc are not possible in Germany. REALLY annoying
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Same issue in Canada...it's called SOCAN here...it gets even crazier here as the artist association who already get a tax on all media want to further charge...just getting out of hand. I can't really complain about the kids these days who will just bypass it all and get it illegally or the many new artists who just bypass these corrupt associations and sell directly to their audience...
Regarding the app marketplace...that is a big FAIL if it's not available in all of Europe...I know Android marketplace only became available in Canada about a year ago but you'd think MS would have that sorted out of the gate...music I understand but the app marketplace seems silly not to have it working...it works in Canada

Well if this is not sorted out by then end of January I for one will not be upgrading to a WP7 phone.
Having no access to the app market is not going to cut it for me.
One easy solution that would solve this problem instantly would be to allow us to pay using Microsoft points, These are available to most I think.

yep MS Points would work a whole lot more. i sent the MS guys some tweets again regarding this

jpkc1 Firmware To Run Spoof Apps

Please upload the guide to make modded firmware jpkc1 or upload the modded firmware.
Thanks

no. instead go and buy the apps and give programmers' work respect!

xsycox
Can you understand or even ask why he asked for sp**fed apps?!!!!
for me it is too simple
until now almost the whole middle east didn't get paid app service from samsung apps
Can you imagine how is bada look like right here?!!!!!
it is like weird platform used by idiots (excuse me for that word)who are so patient for it to be great
i don't support sp**fing but if samsung is not going to support our region then it should be done
Am i right?

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Am i right?
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Nope, spoofing apps in any case is a piracy, and it hurts bada and developers (who work hard to give us some apps) the most. You better write to Samsung and ask for opening paid version of Samsung Apps in your region instead of stealing someone's work. Therefore personally I give this topic -1.

love90, I understand your thoughts, but akuji is right: better make BIG trouble and write hundreds (or thousands) of e-mails and send them to samsung. also, form a group with a petition and go even bigger!
another thing: what is your problem? I can buy apps in ANY store everywhere of the world. if I do not like the apps in x, then I change the store to another country and buy them there. you can do this, too, I guess. ip faking is not even needed, I believe, but if it is needed, then just use one of million tools for that.
there is just NO reason to **** up the little programmers' base we have.

I don't have a Visa or Master card(should i hate myself for not having a one?!)
Also those damn cards for paying are not so popular right here
Another thing : i don't trust Samsung app to give them my card no. even if i have a one
I'd prefer using phone bill when it is available
E-mailed Samsung many times and they always say we are working on it and nothing happens
All my forums members did also so it is not about that
Samsung seems to be not interested in doing it
For my case i gathered important apps and added them to the firmware to use them until the paid service is out and i'll erase them and then buy them when they are available

1. I do rather not believe, you will erase apps later and buy them. Sorry, nobody is acting like that.
2. Now and for ALL TIMES: It is NOT Samsung's error, but the bad behaviour of PHONE CONTRACTORS, if P-Bill is not active in your country. You have to call your providers then and make trouble there.
3. You know, I thought you have NO possibility to buy apps, but now you are telling me it is just about the ****ing credit card? That is hilarious. So, you do not want to trust Samsung. Who else not? Flight companies? Amazon? Ebay? What do you want to do then with your credit card? Just sit and fart on it? =)
Seriously, there are 5000 prepaid credit card providers in the world which offer no further costs than aquiring the prepaid credit card. Every gas station even has them. So, you can buy your apps with those prepaid credit cards and have NO problem with your data, because those are anonymus.
Nowhere in the world there is a solid base/argument for spoofing apps ... and never forget, those app programmers usually are NOT big companies, but small groups or individuals (freelancers) with an age between 20 and 45 years. So, spoofers are really ****ing up someone's monthly income.

xsycox said:
1. I do rather not believe, you will erase apps later and buy them. Sorry, nobody is acting like that.
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i am sorry also that you don't know me well
xsycox said:
2. Now and for ALL TIMES: It is NOT Samsung's error, but the bad behaviour of PHONE CONTRACTORS, if P-Bill is not active in your country. You have to call your providers then and make trouble there.
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you are right
SHP also won't roll out for Middle east for the same damn reason
maybe we won't get paid apps too!!!!
xsycox said:
3. You know, I thought you have NO possibility to buy apps, but now you are telling me it is just about the ****ing credit card? That is hilarious. So, you do not want to trust Samsung. Who else not? Flight companies? Amazon? Ebay? What do you want to do then with your credit card? Just sit and fart on it? =)
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who said that i've a one?! or i can even have a one?!
my age restricts me from having a one...it is a country issue for me now
xsycox said:
Nowhere in the world there is a solid base/argument for spoofing apps ... and never forget, those app programmers usually are NOT big companies, but small groups or individuals (freelancers) with an age between 20 and 45 years. So, spoofers are really ****ing up someone's monthly income.
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and i really want to support them but tell me how???
This discussion won't end between you and me
i am right and you are right also
but it is the way we look to the things

mylove90 said:
SHP also won't roll out for Middle east for the same damn reason
maybe we won't get paid apps too!!!!
and i really want to support them but tell me how???
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1. yes, that sucks. in Europe it does not, too, but therefore we have the hack. that is fine with me.
2. as I said, prepaid credit cards. that is working like a phone card. you can get/buy them everywhere for 10, 20, 50 or 100 €/$. gas stations, newspaper stores, ... everywhere. also, online, of course. with those you can buy apps in the samsung store. the best thing: they are anonymus. so, it does not even matter how old you are.

No warez
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Navigon navigator released

Navigon has finally been released on the Marketplace for Europe at £51.49 and US at £21.99.
Europe: http://www.windowsphone.com/en-gb/apps/da8734ed-666a-4227-81ea-8fc937752d98
US: http://www.windowsphone.com/en-gb/apps/f7a3b10b-302f-49b2-92ae-b77a7392789e

ecj123 said:
Navigon has finally been released on the Marketplace for Europe at £51.49 and US at £21.99.
Europe: http://www.windowsphone.com/en-gb/apps/da8734ed-666a-4227-81ea-8fc937752d98
US: http://www.windowsphone.com/en-gb/apps/f7a3b10b-302f-49b2-92ae-b77a7392789e
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Well that's ridiculously priced. You can get a half decent stand alone Garmin for £70

Any version with maps for canada, or do I have to find a work around using iOS map packs etc?

a1qwyx20 said:
Any version with maps for canada, or do I have to find a work around using iOS map packs etc?
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wait for kounadisk to fix that for us. Just a matter of time. Until then v3 of that same link works for Canada

LOL at those prices...
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Not really weird prices as most of the mobile applications for offline navigation are about this price. But since it is the first big one they might have gone a bit higher then normal.
Anyways, looks like a nice app. Any ideas on the changes from the Navigon Select that is elsewhere on the forums?

The price is absolutely okay and on par with comparable offline navigation applications available. Navigon Mobile Navigator 7 for Windows Mobile 6.5 was 125€ with all European maps (which were less than they offer now) and live services 2 years ago. But seeing N8ter rant about it isn't really unexpected. Would have been way more of a surprise if he wouldn't have highjacked this thread drowning us in tears.
@Martinspire
As far as I can see you get working live services, Navigon Reality Scanner and you can directly access your contacts from within Navigon.

I just bought the Europe version and now downloading 2.4 GB of data onto my HD7 I find the price very reasonable for a top notch navigation software like Navigon. I think they charge more for the Iphone version.

N8ter said:
LOL at those prices...
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Seriously? Those prices are cheaper than the same apps on either iOS OR Android. It only takes a minute or two to check for yourself before posting.

Well there you go... All these people claiming 8GB is plenty while many people are already complaining 16GB isn't enough should explain if we should just forget about purchasing Navigon. It's 2.3GB for European maps and 1.6GB for US. How much is that total? Thank you, I rest my case.
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Peew971 said:
Well there you go... All these people claiming 8GB is plenty while many people are already complaining 16GB isn't enough should explain if we should just forget about purchasing Navigon. It's 2.3GB for European maps and 1.6GB for US. How much is that total? Thank you, I rest my case.
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you had a case? I think 16Gb is just enough, even if I really needed both US and EU.

Peew971 said:
Well there you go... All these people claiming 8GB is plenty while many people are already complaining 16GB isn't enough should explain if we should just forget about purchasing Navigon. It's 2.3GB for European maps and 1.6GB for US. How much is that total? Thank you, I rest my case.
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Store the maps on SkyDrive

N8ter said:
LOL at those prices...
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Garmin charges $35 for US online maps, which costs you a lot of your dataplan. <$30 will likely push Garmin's price down soon.
BTW. I had no idea Navigon is a Garmin company (logo when opening the app).
edit1: thanks RoboDad, fixed it.

derausgewanderte said:
Garmin charges $35 for US offline maps, which costs you a lot of your dataplan. <$30 will likely push Garmin's price down soon.
BTW. I had no idea Navigon is a Garmin company (logo when opening the app).
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I think you meant to say online maps. But that is a choice people need to be willing to make.
The question I would have is, is there some guarantee of map updates to purchasers of Navigon? None is mentioned in the description. Otherwise, the app will be noticeably less useful in a year than it is today, at least where I live in the US. There is always some kind of major change/construction going on to some number of roads around here.

For those who have already downloaded 2.3/1.6 gigs of maps, can you disable/delete maps? Because i´m not planning traveling to some countries so if I can delete the maps.

It's the v4 on Marketplace ... what's the main differences with v3 from Kounadisk ?

subone said:
It's the v4 on Marketplace ... what's the main differences with v3 from Kounadisk ?
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see dkp1977s post previous page:
As far as I can see you get working live services, Navigon Reality Scanner and you can directly access your contacts from within Navigon.
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Peew971 said:
Well there you go... All these people claiming 8GB is plenty while many people are already complaining 16GB isn't enough should explain if we should just forget about purchasing Navigon. It's 2.3GB for European maps and 1.6GB for US. How much is that total? Thank you, I rest my case.
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Force people to download 2.3 Gb of maps is ridiculous.
Smartphones coming with only 8Gb or 16Gb storage (and no slot for SD cards) are ridiculous too actually.
That's why I will not buy the Titan with 16Gb only. If wp7 cannot come with 32Gb, I will move to Android, that's all.

arturobandini said:
Force people to download 2.3 Gb of maps is ridiculous.
Smartphones coming with only 8Gb or 16Gb storage (and no slot for SD cards) are ridiculous too actually.
That's why I will not buy the Titan with 16Gb only. If wp7 cannot come with 32Gb, I will move to Android, that's all.
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I guess the size is the price to pay to get offline maps. But yeah, I'll consider other options if there isn't a 32GB device.

I think it's £100 for the iOS version, so the price is ok I think.
Only problem is that you can't demo it, and I'm not paying £50 to find out that they're using the same route calculation engine as the iOS version. I've used it on my iPad quite a bit and it's actually pretty decent overall, however it has two major flaws; firstly the way you tell it where to navigate to or program a route is weird, makes no sense at all and it took me ages to work out how to use it. Even now if I've not used it for a while I struggle to remember all it's quirks.
Secondly, and this is a killer really, it's route selection is absolutely rubbish. Sure it'll get you there, but you'll waste a lot of time in the process and if you're relying on the SatNav, you won't even realise it. The problem is that it will give you a choice of three route options to select from, but none of the routes are the fastest option. Eg from my house to my Girlfriends the quickest way is pretty much all motorway, but each of the three choices take you off and back on to the motorway at some point, or take you through the centre of cities at each end unnecessarily. It's a straightforward route that should be a simple calculation, but it gets it spectacularly wrong each time.
My worst experience with it was in Belgium, trying to navigate from Maastrict to Spa for the Formula 1; rather that taking us on the main road towards Maastrict, then the main road South, it tried to loop us the some back roads to miss out Maastrict. The road slowly deteriorated to the point that it entered a farmers field. We turned round and went to Maastrict at that point!
And that's ignoring that installing it would mean deleting half my music from my phone, which isn't going to happen!

So... Anyone went ahead and bought a Lumia 800 today?

I'm tempted just because I'm up for an upgrade but I probably won't bother yet.

thanks to nokia excellent marketing, i was also tempted, but then i realised that it just isnt worth it, not for me anyway. i have an omnia 7, and although it has twice the memory and is 400mhz faster, it still hardly he 2nd gen phone i am looking for, even worse, it STILL dosnt have a front facing camera. shameful for a 2nd gen device, especially with skype coming around..... tut tut nokia, although the marketing for it has been excellent and i hope it does really well! but i wont be conned a second time around....

i would have bought it right now if i could move my sms.

No.. I have no money

Purple11 said:
i would have bought it right now if i could move my sms.
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Maybe we gotta harass the smart folks over in the hacking forum. Seems like it'd be fairly simple to dump/load SMS in homebrew.

i won 1 last week from a dutch tech-website.
have been using it for a week now
Used to have the omnia 7 and i'm still getting used to the smaller display of the Lumia

Turns out Vodafone won't let me early upgrade until the twenty-somethingth, but as I'm still sitting on the fence it will very much depend on how much they value my loyalty (and how much they want to compensate me for perpetually screwing up my bills, because I'm on a price plan that doesn't exist???)
You've got to hand it to Nokia though, they've done a damn good job especially with the advertising, this is EXACTLY what Windows Phone needs. This must have cost them a fair whack though:
WP_000158 by andrewkeith5, on Flickr
Right in the middle of the Bullring in Birmingham...as well as prime positioning in Phones4U and a really very comprehensive campaign.
EDIT: Had I taken that shot from the other side of the centre, you could see it's right outside the Vodafone store, and the two O2 stores, although obviously anything that isn't an iPhone or Blackberry is beyond the comprehension of the O2 store employees...

i bought mine today but not in a shop rather over the phone it is currently in the ukmail depot and will be with me in 8-12 hours

These wave of phones are probably skippable if you have the first gen or you are not locked into a contract.

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Turns out Vodafone won't let me early upgrade until the twenty-somethingth, but as I'm still sitting on the fence it will very much depend on how much they value my loyalty (and how much they want to compensate me for perpetually screwing up my bills, because I'm on a price plan that doesn't exist???)
You've got to hand it to Nokia though, they've done a damn good job especially with the advertising, this is EXACTLY what Windows Phone needs. This must have cost them a fair whack though:
WP_000158 by andrewkeith5, on Flickr
Right in the middle of the Bullring in Birmingham...as well as prime positioning in Phones4U and a really very comprehensive campaign.
EDIT: Had I taken that shot from the other side of the centre, you could see it's right outside the Vodafone store, and the two O2 stores, although obviously anything that isn't an iPhone or Blackberry is beyond the comprehension of the O2 store employees...
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spot on nokias marketing is great i can go anywhere, without seeing the lumia around...this is how wp7 should have been marketed in the first place.

Purple11 said:
i would have bought it right now if i could move my sms.
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all nokia windows phone have an integrated "contat transfer" program for transfer contacts from symbian to windows phone via bluetooth
btw, the only reason for not buying a nokia lumia is the missing frontal cam IMHO.

HypeZ85 said:
all nokia windows phone have an integrated "contat transfer" program for transfer contacts from symbian to windows phone via bluetooth
btw, the only reason for not buying a nokia lumia is the missing frontal cam IMHO.
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That's still not a solution for what he wants, not sure why you answered that.
Oh and also a bigger screen is a good reason for not buying this phone, although that's not the debate here.

You know I was going to get an int'l model but I'll wait for the American version. By then the camera issues should have a firmware update and some maturation would've occurred. Elop keeps saying americans would get a different experience. If it involves FFC I'm sold. Period.

So can anyone confirm or deny if it is indeed "Funner", and if so, what on earth that means?!!
Some of the crap that comes out of marketing astounds me!
More seriously, it seems like a really nice phone from having played with it in store, but the small screen, and lack of FFC kill it for me. Hopefully they will pull their finger out and release something akin to the Ace specs that were leaked a while back.

I have had a play with one in store and I am sure this phone will appeal to the youngsters, it looks absolutely beautiful, but for me, at my age, the screen is too small, I will stick with my Titan until Nokia come out with a bigger phone. I really hope the lumia range is successful for the sake of wp7.

CAn you let me know where you got it? I am looking for an unlocked/unbranded devisce but none that i can see so far.
Thanks.

You can buy it unlocked sim-free at Phones4u for £400, how I got it, or at Carphone Warehouse for £470.

Thanks, just talked to rep from phones4u and they sais they only sell PAYG. No good for me. Checked their site and they seem to have the phone there as you say SIM free. I was going to place order now Im not sure as they stated at the side of the site that they prepare all SIM phones to be ready.
As you have one from them can you confirm that it is indeed SIM free and totally unbranded from Phones4U? if it is I will order one right now

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Thanks, just talked to rep from phones4u and they sais they only sell PAYG. No good for me. Checked their site and they seem to have the phone there as you say SIM free. I was going to place order now Im not sure as they stated at the side of the site that they prepare all SIM phones to be ready.
As you have one from them can you confirm that it is indeed SIM free and totally unbranded from Phones4U? if it is I will order one right now
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What about Expansys?
http://www.expansys.com/nokia-lumia-800-uk-black-16gb-224952/

399 from phones4u simfree
Really nice phone. Never used wm7. Bought it for my girl but I like it.
I even consider getting one as well buy in blue.
Am thinking about Titan, but it doesn't have Nokia all black screen...and still as big as mine desire hd
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US Carrier Unlocked Version

Any chances of a carrier unlocked version of the Note 7 in the US (Model SM-N930U)?
Currently Samsung offers the S7/S Edge in a carrier unlocked version supporting all US carriers stock unbranded.

I was wondering the same thing.
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Me 3 ?
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Me 4

Yep, it'll usually show up at best buy online for like 1000 bucks a few months after release...
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bajasur said:
Yep, it'll usually show up at best buy online for like 1000 bucks a few months after release...
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What he said or get anew unlocked international version which will likely exist well before a US specific unlocked version. The S7 unlocked version for the US did not show up for about 4 months after release. Either way international unlocked or US unlocked about to be 1000.00
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What he said or get anew unlocked international version which will likely exist well before a US specific unlocked version. The S7 unlocked version for the US did not show up for about 4 months after release. Either way international unlocked or US unlocked about to be 1000.00
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how sure you are about this?
Because I want to pre-order Note 7, but I'm coming back to europe in Oktober.. and I will need it unlocked then.. So from what carrier to order, what to do? thanks

You know guys I don't get it. Everyone in the world gets an unlocked phone form get go. Here in the US probably the biggest market they have we get S**t. Go figure

Tungsten c said:
You know guys I don't get it. Everyone in the world gets an unlocked phone form get go. Here in the US probably the biggest market they have we get S**t. Go figure
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Let me help Tungsten c "get it".
In the US, gov and business are working hand in hand to "milk" you to the maximum degree possible. Carriers lock down phones and in the process lock you to one company....even if you pay full price for the hardware. Gov turns a blind eye to this Consumer rip off. Why do carriers do this? Because they can get away with it and they work hard to ensure its next to impossible for a manufacturer to 'offer for sale' an unlocked version.
EXCERPT: An oligopoly is a market dominated not by one, but by a small number of players. Because the number of players is so small, serious price competition doesn’t happen very much. Instead oligopolists tend to do sneaky things like put their heads together to figure out ways to raise prices, protect their turf, and limit consumer choices. They typically deploy armies of lobbyists to accomplish these goals. Some of these lobbyists go on to careers as regulators or vice versa (more on that in a moment).
As a side note...in some Asian countries its ILLEGAL to sell a LOCKED phone!!
Full article...and there are many more stories just like this one...
http://www.alternet.org/economy/how-big-cell-phone-companies-are-getting-away-ripping-you-each-month

onepiece said:
Let me help Tungsten c "get it".
In the US, gov and business are working hand in hand to "milk" you to the maximum degree possible. Carriers lock down phones and in the process lock you to one company....even if you pay full price for the hardware. Gov turns a blind eye to this Consumer rip off. Why do carriers do this? Because they can get away with it and they work hard to ensure its next to impossible for a manufacturer to 'offer for sale' an unlocked version.
EXCERPT: An oligopoly is a market dominated not by one, but by a small number of players. Because the number of players is so small, serious price competition doesn’t happen very much. Instead oligopolists tend to do sneaky things like put their heads together to figure out ways to raise prices, protect their turf, and limit consumer choices. They typically deploy armies of lobbyists to accomplish these goals. Some of these lobbyists go on to careers as regulators or vice versa (more on that in a moment).
As a side note...in some Asian countries its ILLEGAL to sell a LOCKED phone!!
Full article...and there are many more stories just like this one...
http://www.alternet.org/economy/how-big-cell-phone-companies-are-getting-away-ripping-you-each-month
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Dude i got it long time ago. The problem here is not the carries but the dumb ass consumers. I will not purchase a phone I cannot root it is a matter of principle. There is nothing absolutely nothing a phone has that I need if I cannot root it.
That is why I am looking for a root able version or I will keep my Note 3 and purchase a new battery for it.
The note 7 without root is useless to me .

Agree!
Agree that "passive consumers" are a big part of the problem... and...
"passive consumers" are EXACTLY what the carriers/manufacturers want. SHEEP to be herded and fleeced!
You are aware more and more companies are embracing the concept..."You don't really own the phone (or whatever your purchase) you bought. You've merely entered a long term agreement with us to use it, not own it. You can't root it because your program might be better than ours....and we can make you pay for that improvement YOU came up with in next year's model.
Just another example of corporate control over consumers with gov acting as their 'muscle' or enforcement arm.
Thank goodness for sites like XDA that help the cause for ROOT and getting us those things the carriers &/or manufacturers want to keep from people like you, me and XDA disciples.

onepiece said:
Agree that "passive consumers" are a big part of the problem... and...
"passive consumers" are EXACTLY what the carriers/manufacturers want. SHEEP to be herded and fleeced!
You are aware more and more companies are embracing the concept..."You don't really own the phone (or whatever your purchase) you bought. You've merely entered a long term agreement with us to use it, not own it. You can't root it because your program might be better than ours....and we can make you pay for that improvement YOU came up with in next year's model.
Just another example of corporate control over consumers with gov acting as their 'muscle' or enforcement arm.
Thank goodness for sites like XDA that help the cause for ROOT and getting us those things the carriers &/or manufacturers want to keep from people like you, me and XDA disciples.
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I agree I am looking for other options like the plus 1 or nexus or HTC maybe S7 if rootable. Or wair a few months for the international version to come out in sprint. Who knows. My note3 works just fine for now.