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Desire -> Win Mo 6.1

Good Afternoon,
My contract was up for renewal couple of days ago and I had my sights on getting and HD2 but my provider discontinued it and wont let me have it any more. They only WinMo phone they had was the HD Mini which I don't like so I have been forced over to Google Android.
Now while I have seen Google Andoid and do like the UI and what I have seen of it I am a VB.NET Programmer and make custom apps for my mobile that I rely on So I am a bit stuck when I get my new phone.
Has anyone has any sucess with gettin WinMo 6.1 onto the Desire, I know spec wise it can easily handle it (alot better then my current HD1) as ultimately thats what I think I want to do...
Regards,
Max

I doubt you will ever see windows on the desire.
It's like buying a state of the art tv and changing the settings to black and white and watching a movie from a video cassette player through a scart lead with a pair of headphones on.

lol not quite the same is it!
I was just wondering because in the last couple of years I have seen Google Android installed on many WinMo phones sucessfully so thought it must be possible the other way round.
Its not because I am a huge MS fan (ok I probably am) but mainly for being able to put my apps on the device. I run my own company and have my own customised tools like job timing and invoice generation all from my mobile (communicating with my backend sql server) and returning an invoice (which I then print out with my in car printer )

Try looking at this thread.
It gets asked almost weekly, and is getting exceedingly irritating for many because if you'd searched for "Windows Mobile", you'd have found it, and others like it, yourself!
My suggestion to you is that if you want a WinMo phone, sell or trade your Desire for an HD2.
Regards,
Dave

Sorry for asking such a frequent question. I normally do make use of search...
I suppose its going to be impossible to get a .net program working on android as well because if that was possible i would be happy lol

max_carpenter said:
Sorry for asking such a frequent question. I normally do make use of search...
I suppose its going to be impossible to get a .net program working on android as well because if that was possible i would be happy lol
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I believe there has been some work done on getting Mono (the *nix port of .Net) running on Android - Google seems to kind of agree (I searched)
John

You'd need to get someone to completely rewrite the boot system, and even then you wouldn't get all the hardware working, nevermind the fact that there's a completely different cache/memory structure.

Well, Novell will supposedly support Mono on Android at some point this year, which may at least get you partially there (see here)
Regards,
Dave

Can buy my old HD2 if you want, Max? 4 months old, completely stock and unlocked/unbranded. Got it as an upgrade but now got a Desire so it's sat in the box doing sweet FA...

MonoDroid is entering public beta it seems.
Regards,
Dave

whats the price?
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sorry should have quoted LOL
So. whats the price?
EddyOS said:
Can buy my old HD2 if you want, Max? 4 months old, completely stock and unlocked/unbranded. Got it as an upgrade but now got a Desire so it's sat in the box doing sweet FA...
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NielDK said:
sorry should have quoted LOL
So. whats the price?
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Was looking about £300 ono - phone is like new and I'd buy a new oem pouch for it too as the original one is a bit stretched
None of the accessories have been opened as I've had HTC phones before so not needed to use them. Only thing that wouldn't be with it is the CoPilot trial as I formatted the SD card so the mapping isn't there...whether you can download the maps from somewhere I don't know

Yeh I was looking at Mono before I read all of these posts. I don't quite fully understand how it works etc I am purley a Windows Engineer so never really touched Linux and the likes.
So with Mono can you still develop .net apps in Visual Studio and then run them using this 'Mono' and if it is that simple are there limitations. I need to do some more reading up on this and learn some more. Still got about 8 Days until T-Mobile deliver my Desire then got 7 days to send it back if I don't like it (which I am sure I will as I do like Android it was just the fact that my custom built software that was the issue)

I would take you up on that offer if I had the money
£300 is quite far out of my price range so sadly I won't be able to buy it off you. If I can have patients I can buy and HD2 fully working at some point during the next 14 months but prob nearer the end of that time and I can't wait that long lol.

Sending you PM. Im interested.
EddyOS said:
Was looking about £300 ono - phone is like new and I'd buy a new oem pouch for it too as the original one is a bit stretched
None of the accessories have been opened as I've had HTC phones before so not needed to use them. Only thing that wouldn't be with it is the CoPilot trial as I formatted the SD card so the mapping isn't there...whether you can download the maps from somewhere I don't know
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max_carpenter said:
I would take you up on that offer if I had the money
£300 is quite far out of my price range so sadly I won't be able to buy it off you. If I can have patients I can buy and HD2 fully working at some point during the next 14 months but prob nearer the end of that time and I can't wait that long lol.
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Not to worry!! Just thought I'd offer it to you

Yeh thanks for the offer if I had the money I would deff take it up or even shop around for one but got to rely on my contract and T-mobile for my phones :-(
At least they let me negotiate contracts with them. They normally give in to what I want. Probably the fact I have been a loyal customer with them for 7 years and brought quite a few customers to them

max_carpenter said:
Good Afternoon,
Now while I have seen Google Andoid and do like the UI and what I have seen of it I am a VB.NET Programmer and make custom apps for my mobile that I rely on So I am a bit stuck when I get my new phone.
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I don't know any professional programmers that would only know one language and not be able to migrate within a few days/weeks. Let WinMo 6 die, finally.

I am not a 'Professional' programmer still 'upcoming' programmer. VB.NET and ASP.NET are the two languages (although asp use vb.net) I know and still learning. I only recently (~3 years) started to fiddle with programming and all self taught my main job is Network Admin at the company I am employeed at which I am just developing them a mobile app but also registered as a sole trader and I have a couple of really useful apps that I programmed to help me run my business (like when I am out on jobs)
At the moment I have nowhere near enough time to learn another language.

Windows Phone 7 car Navigation

Hi,
I've two questions.
1. Which navigation sofware can I use offline with phone 7 (alternative to the t-mobile dongle).
2. Which smartphoneholder is good for using in Car. Im looking for a aktive solution so that it's not nessesary to plug in cable in the smartphone if i plug in the phone (same principle as the becker navigation holder)
Thanks for your feedback

alexander555 said:
Hi,
I've two questions.
1. Which navigation sofware can I use offline with phone 7 (alternative to the t-mobile dongle).
2. Which smartphoneholder is good for using in Car. Im looking for a aktive solution so that it's not nessesary to plug in cable in the smartphone if i plug in the phone (same principle as the becker navigation holder)
Thanks for your feedback
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Well I have given up on Getting any GPS software for WP7 and use a Dedicated GPS for all my Navigation in Malaysia and Singapore. There is no company supporting WP7 for of line use of GPS maps that I could find.
If you purchase a dedicated GPS unit with Bluetooth it is possible to use it as A hands free device as well. Most dedicated units also come with a mount.
I have a Nokia phone that I use for GPS when traveling as all the maps and turn by turn navigation are free.

I'm using the AT&T Navigator software on my AT&T focus and its turn by turn directions work great. It cost a few buck per month, but its worth it. The only downside is that with no multitasking, you can't monitor emails while using it, but calls still work.

randude said:
I'm using the AT&T Navigator software on my AT&T focus and its turn by turn directions work great. It cost a few buck per month, but its worth it. The only downside is that with no multitasking, you can't monitor emails while using it, but calls still work.
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How much data per hour or so does that pull in?

alexander555 said:
1. Which navigation sofware can I use offline with phone 7 (alternative to the t-mobile dongle).
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If your operator doesn't provide a navigation solution, basically your only option is to find Navigon and sideload it on your phone - search xda for hints on how to do it.
Rumor is that Navigon has an exclusive deal with T-Mobile Germany until summer, so it won't be available on Marketplace until then.
alexander555 said:
2. Which smartphoneholder is good for using in Car. Im looking for a aktive solution so that it's not nessesary to plug in cable in the smartphone if i plug in the phone (same principle as the becker navigation holder)
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On xda, there are device-specific forums with "Accessories" sections, check out the forum for your device.

I think every WP7 user should get A to Z. It's in the marketplace and its free. It's amazing, but I'm not sure if it only works in the states... It has turn by turn directions!!!

thealanshow said:
I think every WP7 user should get A to Z. It's in the marketplace and its free. It's amazing, but I'm not sure if it only works in the states... It has turn by turn directions!!!
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It's actually called A to B but yes, it is pretty sweet.

I'm with the OP on this. I need a map based turn by turn GPS software such as Garmin, Tomtom, iGO or Navigon. Using bing or A to B doesn't cut it. The last thing I want is to be lost in a dead zone. For me this is a deal breaker and one of the many reasons why I am still with WinMo.

alexander555 said:
Hi,
I've two questions.
1. Which navigation sofware can I use offline with phone 7 (alternative to the t-mobile dongle).
2. Which smartphoneholder is good for using in Car. Im looking for a aktive solution so that it's not nessesary to plug in cable in the smartphone if i plug in the phone (same principle as the becker navigation holder)
Thanks for your feedback
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1. Since you're from Germany, your best bet if you need navigation now is to simply get a T-Mobile device as they come pre-loaded with Navigon.
2. Depends on the device you get. We have Omnia7's and purchased the active Brodit holder for it, great holder. Only downside is that it doesn't play nice with the phones once you put gelaskins on them.

AT&T Navigator costs $10 a month. That is NOT cheap...
10% (maybe more) of your phone bill per month, or $240 over a 2 year contract. You're better off buying a $100 GPS system with offline navigation with updatable maps...
Those GPS services preloaded on these phones are a joke. That's why Google Voice Navigation (and later Bing Voice Navigation) was such a big deal...

deeken said:
I'm with the OP on this. I need a map based turn by turn GPS software such as Garmin, Tomtom, iGO or Navigon. Using bing or A to B doesn't cut it. The last thing I want is to be lost in a dead zone. For me this is a deal breaker and one of the many reasons why I am still with WinMo.
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I'm with you guys here. I'm only on a 200mb plan. Why would I pay $10 per month for Navigator when it'll probably end up going over my limit and overcharge an extra $15 for data? I would have no problem paying a good price for an offline map based GPS.

N8ter said:
AT&T Navigator costs $10 a month. That is NOT cheap...
10% (maybe more) of your phone bill per month, or $240 over a 2 year contract. You're better off buying a $100 GPS system with offline navigation with updatable maps...
Those GPS services preloaded on these phones are a joke. That's why Google Voice Navigation (and later Bing Voice Navigation) was such a big deal...
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totally agree, "a few bucks" is maybe 2-3, but 10 is dead-end. same with their family tracker. I use my Garmin and a few times sideloaded Navigon.

derausgewanderte said:
totally agree, "a few bucks" is maybe 2-3, but 10 is dead-end.
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You are, of course, entitled to your opinion, but from my experience (I use Navigator, and I've owned two different dedicated GPS units) you are dead wrong. $10/month for Navigator is quite reasonable compared to what I would have to spend to get a GPS unit with comparable features and quarterly map updates.

RoboDad said:
You are, of course, entitled to your opinion, but from my experience (I use Navigator, and I've owned two different dedicated GPS units) you are dead wrong. $10/month for Navigator is quite reasonable compared to what I would have to spend to get a GPS unit with comparable features and quarterly map updates.
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I got my GPS for 120 and it was a good quality Garmin. A year in and you're already paying that for Navigator with less features... and that's if you're already paying for unlimited data.

derausgewanderte said:
totally agree, "a few bucks" is maybe 2-3, but 10 is dead-end. same with their family tracker. I use my Garmin and a few times sideloaded Navigon.
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Now that WP7 has FREE tracking built in, there is absolutely no need for the ATT Family Tracking. iPhone and Android Both offer Free Tracking also. I hate to admit it, but iPhone does the best tracking. It pinpoints down to within 20 feet.
I feel both ways on the GPS functions. Personally, I prefer a good GPS unit over GPS on my phone. But, it is nice to get the extra features found on the connected GPS devices. ATT Navigation is actually quite a nice program to use. I used the free trial and was quite impressed, even though I've been a LONG time user of TomTom and Navigon. ATT held it's own, but as others have mentioned, being left without connection, thus no Navigation is just not acceptable for me either.
TomTom, with map updates does end up costing just about the same as ATT Navigator, with the exception of the Data. If you don't use much data, it's probably a wash, but if you go over your data plan, I'm sure ATT will end up being much more expensive. Being able to search for ANY Point of Interest is a big plus on the Connected Navigation. TomTom and Navigon occasionally don't have all the POI's needed.
The newer TomTom's now have the best of all worlds. Free Lifetime Map Updates, Offline Navigation, Online Search, etc... Problem is, they cost around $300-400 for all that.
I'm holding my breath that TomTom will support WP7, especially now that Microsoft has opened up the Dev a bit for them. TomTom on iPhone is really nice to use, so it should be that much better here.

SuperSport said:
Now that WP7 has FREE tracking built in, there is absolutely no need for the ATT Family Tracking. iPhone and Android Both offer Free Tracking also. I hate to admit it, but iPhone does the best tracking. It pinpoints down to within 20 feet.
I feel both ways on the GPS functions. Personally, I prefer a good GPS unit over GPS on my phone. But, it is nice to get the extra features found on the connected GPS devices. ATT Navigation is actually quite a nice program to use. I used the free trial and was quite impressed, even though I've been a LONG time user of TomTom and Navigon. ATT held it's own, but as others have mentioned, being left without connection, thus no Navigation is just not acceptable for me either.
TomTom, with map updates does end up costing just about the same as ATT Navigator, with the exception of the Data. If you don't use much data, it's probably a wash, but if you go over your data plan, I'm sure ATT will end up being much more expensive. Being able to search for ANY Point of Interest is a big plus on the Connected Navigation. TomTom and Navigon occasionally don't have all the POI's needed.
The newer TomTom's now have the best of all worlds. Free Lifetime Map Updates, Offline Navigation, Online Search, etc... Problem is, they cost around $300-400 for all that.
I'm holding my breath that TomTom will support WP7, especially now that Microsoft has opened up the Dev a bit for them. TomTom on iPhone is really nice to use, so it should be that much better here.
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Integrating WP7 with Windows Live Family Safety and introducing Bing Maps Navigation and a service similar to Latitude would work, and you wouldn't have to pay AT&T for it.
And for the poster above talking about Navigator: Who cares. Navigator subscriptions are a scam and the only carrier that has a good deal is Sprint because they give it for free with their $69 (not 79) plan. I'm just aghast that people pay these prices for a Navigation app with no offline capabilities on a subscription when GPS hardware is so cheap and actually quite attractive these days (not to mention lots of new cars are coming with them built-in).
You can spin it any way you want, but they make no monetary sense to consumers when you can either get a phone that has it for free, or get a GPS unit that costs half as much as Navigation costs over the course of a your cell phone contract.
One of the reasons Android took off so well is cause of the free Navigation, and even WP7 has this. Microsoft just needs to get off their asses and bring Voice-Guided Navigation to WP7.
I wish I could just buy Ovi Maps for a flat fee or something, for WP7. But in the meantime, I just carry my Vibrant everywhere and use it for that purpose instead.
Hell, even MapQuest has a Voice Guided Nav app for Android now: https://market.android.com/details?id=com.mapquest.android.ace&feature=search_result
Microsoft either needs to work with some company like MapQuest, another third party (TomTom, etc.), or get Bing Navigation up to par.

thealanshow said:
I think every WP7 user should get A to Z. It's in the marketplace and its free. It's amazing, but I'm not sure if it only works in the states... It has turn by turn directions!!!
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A to B do not work here, i am using dedicated GPS nav device fast and cheap... SGD300/-

cgibsong002 said:
I got my GPS for 120 and it was a good quality Garmin. A year in and you're already paying that for Navigator with less features... and that's if you're already paying for unlimited data.
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It's disingenuous to try to lump your data plan into the "cost" of GPS navigation, unless that is the only reason you have the data plan. Since almost no one falls into that category, the cost is obviously amortized (I use my data connection for email, YouTube, weather updates, downloading apps, and about 20 other purposes).
As for your experience with your $120 Garmin, we'll just have to agree to disagree. My experience has been very different.

RoboDad said:
It's disingenuous to try to lump your data plan into the "cost" of GPS navigation, unless that is the only reason you have the data plan. Since almost no one falls into that category, the cost is obviously amortized (I use my data connection for email, YouTube, weather updates, downloading apps, and about 20 other purposes).
As for your experience with your $120 Garmin, we'll just have to agree to disagree. My experience has been very different.
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No it's not. It can change your data requirements. If you use the GPS apps a lot on your phone, a 200MB data plan may not be enough. With a dedicated GPS system, you may be able to just use a 200MB data plan. Some people are like that.
So in the end you end up paying a ridiculous amount of money for the GPS services and the data plan to facilitate it, than just getting a dedicated GPS device.

truffle1234 said:
A to B do not work here, i am using dedicated GPS nav device fast and cheap... SGD300/-
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Agree.
1. It doesn't work (as in, I've never gotten it to work).
2. It has that banner on the screen at all times, which is a waste of useful screen real estate in this type of application.

Marketplace expanding too slowly

MS announced on MIX that they will expand the marketplace over some areas and also the ability where devs can sell apps.
I hoped they will do this more quickly when I bought my Omnia in December last year and I also expect they will add Slovenia on their map as it is in EU and the WP7 phones are sold OFFICIALLY by the carriers (badly ofcourse as there's no adverts as nobody would advert a smartphone without a store).
Well last week they announced few new countries and the only unsupported EU countries are Slovenia, Bulgaria, Romania, Slovakia, Lithuania and Latvia (sorry if I forgot or count one too much =P..) It's total bullsh*t they don't support the whole EU.
I just can't watch how crapDroid phones are dominating here... even appstore is here for quite some time and we don't even have the iPhone officially sold (only iPods and now also iPads)
It's also stupid as Nokia is still the most selling phone brand here and with good ads WP7 could dominate here quickly.
Microsoft is definetly too slow !

Lol crapdroid...
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Yes, don't really understand why MS is so restricted on market expansion. Many people with USD payable credit cards from non-US areas still cannot purchase apps.

I like Crapdroids. The best among all.

what a pity,i live in China,i am always thingking that our country's stution is so bad that you have to pay a lot of money to buy an iphone device,today i realize that your country is worse than our country
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why you guys don't jailbreak?
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zdncs said:
why you guys don't jailbreak?
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What can I get with "jailbraking" ? Cracked Xbl games don't give you any arhivments and lot of them ain't workig. I would just like to buy something and MS don't want my money.. weird eh ? xP

i think? u can add ur(and any other, IT DOESNT MATTER from WHERE) credit card to a US-XBOX-Live account, then add that acc as a primary live-syncing one on your phone... i know, that doesnt solve the problem, but if ur in a desperate need to "give ur money" to ms- i think this will help...

Yeah and when it will launch in slovenia then what ? Use USA acc all my life ? nope.. thank you xP And I'm not willing to sync 2 WL accounts all the time for contacts and other things...
Inace kaj vas se pordavaat WP7 telefoni na One, VIP ili T-mobile ? =D

uristic said:
Yeah and when it will launch in slovenia then what ? Use USA acc all my life ?
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That's actually not such a bad option if you pull it off. US account will always give you more features, apps, and at a smaller price (there's no VAT, among other things). You'll only get proper Zune services with a US account.
Otherwise you'll have to repurchase apps. That sounds silly but it's just 100 bucks or so, not that big of a deal.
Also, sometimes when they expand their services to other markets they let you transfer your account to your real location (i.e. that happened with XBox Live recently). But you can't count on it of course.
Oh, and one more thing. I made a mistake of setting up an Apple account giving a real location. Apart from not getting a number of apps (i.e. the Rage game) as a result, I ran into much more useless rankings and user reviews. A lot of people complain about great apps solely for the reason they didn't understand the English description or some such nonsense.

uristic said:
Inace kaj vas se pordavaat WP7 telefoni na One, VIP ili T-mobile ? =D
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makedonskiot ti e odlicen....
site tri kompanii prodavat wp7...
vip-optimus7
one-omnia7
t-mobile-hd7,mozart...
topol pozzz

Official: AT&T Samsung Focus S has 16GB of non-expandable storage

So there you go, 2nd gen phones are officially a failure and yes you can call me a hater I don't care.
Microsoft killed the Zunes so they should have made it mandatory that every OEM offers at least one 32GB+ model. If you want people to ditch their PMP give them a good reason to or they might end up ditching it for an iPhone.
http://www.wpcentral.com/it-s-official-samsung-focus-s-has-16gb-non-expandable-storage
Edit: Let me just temper that by saying they're a failure mostly for us who already have a 1st gen phone. I guess for 1st time buyers there is some incentive but not so much (no extra storage, no microSD support, no hardware keyboard)

Ah well. Looks like I'll just hang onto my original Focus. Too bad about this.
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MartyLK said:
Ah well. Looks like I'll just hang onto my original Focus. Too bad a out this.
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Same here, I will stay with my OMNIA 7.
For 1st gen device owners it´s not very interesting to buy a 2nd gen device.
In my eyes a marketing failure...
Personally I don´t need more storage than 16GB and who is using permanently the FFC ?
I always used only simple voip calls without video and besides I absolutely like my OMNIA 7.

Yet another wp7 phone with disappointing specs and insufficient storage.
Finally I am not really surprised if WP7 is failing.
People who love media and need decent storage will probably move to Android or iOS.

I don't care because I'm waiting for the Nokia dual core 4+" Amoled screen LTE Tango phone that will hopefully be here before Q2 of next year.... And if it isn't, I'll just get an Apollo phone in Q4 of 2012 because my focus is still doing a great job and I can wait till then if necessary.
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I think you mean apollo? Lol. Color me surprised about this phone. These oems are not clueless though. They simply don't care since the old hardware they're using is cheap ad hell and majority of their sales are on android. Samsung sales more bada devices than wp7 at this point. These devices are failing heard at what was supposed be their strongest feature (doubling up as a Zune HD).

I don't see how they expect the devices to sell as a Zune HD replacement, or as a device that is competitive to any of the current high-end smart phones when the OEMs provide sub-par specs on every new WP device. Count me as another one that is sticking with my Focus... and I would have upgraded to the Focus S if they had put a decent amount of local storage in. I'm constantly shuffling things on/off my Focus with 24 GB now, so I'm not going with a smaller storage device.
They don't really have any excuses for the skimping either, as the current GS2 comes in 16 or 32 GB local storage. They've put a cheaper single-core processor in already (and I understand the reasons there), but the Focus S is selling for the same price as a GS2... so there's no excuse to also cut back local storage. This is quite disappointing, as I had already ruled out Nokia's current offerings because of the lack of FFC and small screen size.
I don't want to wait until generation 3 of WP before getting a new device, but the next possibility looks to be the Nokia 900 sometime in the first half of next year. MS really needs to get the OEMs in hand and have them put out devices that have competitive hardware to the other platforms (iPhone 4S, Samsung GS2, Nokia N9, etc.), or they need to start producing their own devices ala XBox. They can't do much worse than the OEMs, as every new device has been a disappointment in one area or another. At this point, I'd be happy if we were getting clones of Android device hardware.

contable said:
Same here, I will stay with my OMNIA 7.
For 1st gen device owners it´s not very interesting to buy a 2nd gen device.
In my eyes a marketing failure...
Personally I don´t need more storage than 16GB and who is using permanently the FFC ?
I always used only simple voip calls without video and besides I absolutely like my OMNIA 7.
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If my current Focus was limited to 16GB like the Focus S is, it would be nearly full. And that's without videos. Fortunately my current Focus has the ability of expanding up to 40GB. That's worth a lot to me.
I think I will overlook any new WP7 hardware until MS gets real with it.

MartyLK said:
If my current Focus was limited to 16GB like the Focus S is, it would be nearly full. And that's without videos. Fortunately my current Focus has the ability of expanding up to 40GB. That's worth a lot to me.
I think I will overlook any new WP7 hardware until MS gets real with it.
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You replaced the internal SD-Card, right ?
I thought this is only possible for HD7 users...
In that case it would be very stupid if you buy a 2nd gen device...

Why anybody would need more than 16gb is beyond me. I have pretty much every app that I can think of installed and I still have 5 GB left.
No need to put pictures and songs because you can easily have those on the cloud.
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contable said:
You replaced the internal SD-Card, right ?
I thought this is only possible for HD7 users...
In that case it would be very stupid if you buy a 2nd gen device...
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Actually, unless the AT&T version of the HD7 is different, the Focus is immediately accessable to switch cards out, whereas the HD7 is not and requires a warranty voiding disassembly. The Focus doesn't come with a card and requires users to buy a card separately. But the access to the slot is as open and easy as any Android hardware. A 32GB card is my next option, which will give me 40GB with the internal 8GB.
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karan1203 said:
Why anybody would need more than 16gb is beyond me. I have pretty much every app that I can think of installed and I still have 5 GB left.
No need to put pictures and songs because you can easily have those on the cloud.
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Unfortunately for AT&T users, the Cloud is not a viable option because of the limited data service. I would never use it anyway for media. And 2GB of data each month is too small to constantly be streaming music and videos with.

karan1203 said:
Why anybody would need more than 16gb is beyond me. I have pretty much every app that I can think of installed and I still have 5 GB left.
No need to put pictures and songs because you can easily have those on the cloud.
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this is exactly my situation. Couldn't agree more.
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Lol people still boasting the cloud as a storage replacement. What if you only have a 200-500 mb data plan?
Thebcloud is useful, very useful.
The cloud is useless as a replacement for true on-device storage.
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No one on this planet should be using a smartphone with 500 MB. You are inviting disaster of biblical proportions.

Yea 5GB of data at least
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The only way I would feel comfortable streaming is with unlimited data.

5GB is pretty tough to run out while streaming music unless you are doing it hours without end. T-mobile has a 10GB option and you'd still be paying less and with better speeds than AT&T.
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bmstrong said:
No one on this planet should be using a smartphone with 500 MB. You are inviting disaster of biblical proportions.
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In the UK only one maybe two carriers offer over 500MB. Even if that wasn't the case, you don't get 100% coverage so you can't rely exclusively on the cloud. Not to mention scenarios where you travel or damage to your battery. I don't like calling people stupid but some should seriously think about what they say (not addressing you, just some previous posters). Everything on the cloud, really?

Until the industry can produce a battery that can last 40 to 50 hours while streaming on data or WiFi, the Cloud will never be a viable alternative to internal storage for media playing. As it is right now, my iPhone 4 gets 40 hours for music playing and 10 hours for video playing. My Focus gets probably at least 20 hours music playing. Music playing combined with streaming would knock it down to a few hours at best.

When I stream it has little effect on my battery
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So... Anyone went ahead and bought a Lumia 800 today?

I'm tempted just because I'm up for an upgrade but I probably won't bother yet.

thanks to nokia excellent marketing, i was also tempted, but then i realised that it just isnt worth it, not for me anyway. i have an omnia 7, and although it has twice the memory and is 400mhz faster, it still hardly he 2nd gen phone i am looking for, even worse, it STILL dosnt have a front facing camera. shameful for a 2nd gen device, especially with skype coming around..... tut tut nokia, although the marketing for it has been excellent and i hope it does really well! but i wont be conned a second time around....

i would have bought it right now if i could move my sms.

No.. I have no money

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i would have bought it right now if i could move my sms.
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Maybe we gotta harass the smart folks over in the hacking forum. Seems like it'd be fairly simple to dump/load SMS in homebrew.

i won 1 last week from a dutch tech-website.
have been using it for a week now
Used to have the omnia 7 and i'm still getting used to the smaller display of the Lumia

Turns out Vodafone won't let me early upgrade until the twenty-somethingth, but as I'm still sitting on the fence it will very much depend on how much they value my loyalty (and how much they want to compensate me for perpetually screwing up my bills, because I'm on a price plan that doesn't exist???)
You've got to hand it to Nokia though, they've done a damn good job especially with the advertising, this is EXACTLY what Windows Phone needs. This must have cost them a fair whack though:
WP_000158 by andrewkeith5, on Flickr
Right in the middle of the Bullring in Birmingham...as well as prime positioning in Phones4U and a really very comprehensive campaign.
EDIT: Had I taken that shot from the other side of the centre, you could see it's right outside the Vodafone store, and the two O2 stores, although obviously anything that isn't an iPhone or Blackberry is beyond the comprehension of the O2 store employees...

i bought mine today but not in a shop rather over the phone it is currently in the ukmail depot and will be with me in 8-12 hours

These wave of phones are probably skippable if you have the first gen or you are not locked into a contract.

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Turns out Vodafone won't let me early upgrade until the twenty-somethingth, but as I'm still sitting on the fence it will very much depend on how much they value my loyalty (and how much they want to compensate me for perpetually screwing up my bills, because I'm on a price plan that doesn't exist???)
You've got to hand it to Nokia though, they've done a damn good job especially with the advertising, this is EXACTLY what Windows Phone needs. This must have cost them a fair whack though:
WP_000158 by andrewkeith5, on Flickr
Right in the middle of the Bullring in Birmingham...as well as prime positioning in Phones4U and a really very comprehensive campaign.
EDIT: Had I taken that shot from the other side of the centre, you could see it's right outside the Vodafone store, and the two O2 stores, although obviously anything that isn't an iPhone or Blackberry is beyond the comprehension of the O2 store employees...
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spot on nokias marketing is great i can go anywhere, without seeing the lumia around...this is how wp7 should have been marketed in the first place.

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i would have bought it right now if i could move my sms.
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all nokia windows phone have an integrated "contat transfer" program for transfer contacts from symbian to windows phone via bluetooth
btw, the only reason for not buying a nokia lumia is the missing frontal cam IMHO.

HypeZ85 said:
all nokia windows phone have an integrated "contat transfer" program for transfer contacts from symbian to windows phone via bluetooth
btw, the only reason for not buying a nokia lumia is the missing frontal cam IMHO.
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That's still not a solution for what he wants, not sure why you answered that.
Oh and also a bigger screen is a good reason for not buying this phone, although that's not the debate here.

You know I was going to get an int'l model but I'll wait for the American version. By then the camera issues should have a firmware update and some maturation would've occurred. Elop keeps saying americans would get a different experience. If it involves FFC I'm sold. Period.

So can anyone confirm or deny if it is indeed "Funner", and if so, what on earth that means?!!
Some of the crap that comes out of marketing astounds me!
More seriously, it seems like a really nice phone from having played with it in store, but the small screen, and lack of FFC kill it for me. Hopefully they will pull their finger out and release something akin to the Ace specs that were leaked a while back.

I have had a play with one in store and I am sure this phone will appeal to the youngsters, it looks absolutely beautiful, but for me, at my age, the screen is too small, I will stick with my Titan until Nokia come out with a bigger phone. I really hope the lumia range is successful for the sake of wp7.

CAn you let me know where you got it? I am looking for an unlocked/unbranded devisce but none that i can see so far.
Thanks.

You can buy it unlocked sim-free at Phones4u for £400, how I got it, or at Carphone Warehouse for £470.

Thanks, just talked to rep from phones4u and they sais they only sell PAYG. No good for me. Checked their site and they seem to have the phone there as you say SIM free. I was going to place order now Im not sure as they stated at the side of the site that they prepare all SIM phones to be ready.
As you have one from them can you confirm that it is indeed SIM free and totally unbranded from Phones4U? if it is I will order one right now

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Thanks, just talked to rep from phones4u and they sais they only sell PAYG. No good for me. Checked their site and they seem to have the phone there as you say SIM free. I was going to place order now Im not sure as they stated at the side of the site that they prepare all SIM phones to be ready.
As you have one from them can you confirm that it is indeed SIM free and totally unbranded from Phones4U? if it is I will order one right now
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What about Expansys?
http://www.expansys.com/nokia-lumia-800-uk-black-16gb-224952/

399 from phones4u simfree
Really nice phone. Never used wm7. Bought it for my girl but I like it.
I even consider getting one as well buy in blue.
Am thinking about Titan, but it doesn't have Nokia all black screen...and still as big as mine desire hd
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