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[Q] Clockwork to Amon backups

If I do a backup using Clockwork, can I just move it into the Amon_Ra recovery folder in case Amon is the recovery that loads?
I'm getting tired of creating backups for both recoveries because I go back and forth.

Nope.
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lehalter said:
If I do a backup using Clockwork, can I just move it into the Amon_Ra recovery folder in case Amon is the recovery that loads?
I'm getting tired of creating backups for both recoveries because I go back and forth.
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yes, i've done it with going from clockwork to Amon.
My question is why would you be switching recoverys that much.

No. It doesn't work. If you've done it before, I don't know. You must've gotten lucky or something. The two recoveries back up differently and the backups aren't interchangeable. I've tried it several times.
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mrono said:
yes, i've done it with going from clockwork to Amon.
My question is why would you be switching recoverys that much.
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I don't purposefully do it. I prefer Amon, but when I reboot it sometimes reverts back to Clockwork. The only reason I want to use Clockwork is because it is attached to ROM Manager

Nandroid backup ?

Sorry for the dumb question, but a full nandroid backup, is done how? With titanium, or rom manager. Like I said sorry for the dumb question but everything I read just confused me. I'm really not that dumb just need some because I confused myself. Thanks!
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I am new to this stuff but I learned pretty quick because I truly love my Evo so I want the best for it! (roms/kernels) but I over think everything so I need a few dumb questions answered from time to time...
JoshEvo

Nandroid backup is done through the recovery menu. Use titanium backup for the apps, sms backup for the texts, and for the contacts, go to contacts, hit menu then export to SD CARD.
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They aren't dumb questions, you're just starting out. But:
1. Titanium backup is to backup your apps and system, in case you do a clean wipe. backup your apps every so often, especially when you changing roms.
2. If on clockwork recovery, you can backup your rom using it.
3. You can manually backup by turning the off the phone, powering back up, but holding vol+down ad you do, and then in the bootloader screen. Once there, select recovery, then go to backup/restore.

Thanks roxx, you cleared up what I said. You always seem to answer my questions or be in the same thread as me.
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Cool thanks! I know how to flash roms through rom manager and kernels in recovery. I thought I was doing a nandroid backup by backing up my stock rom before flashing a new one. So I just boot into recovery (rom manager,or root manager) can't remember if it's root manager? But get into recovery and it will say nandroid backup? Once again thanks for helping me. I want to switch to a non-sense rom but don't wanna mess up my Evo!
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Re read your answer and got my other question answered thanks all
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Got it! Nandroid backup = backup/restore! So if I do a nandroid backup it will backup my phone/rom/etc... As it is now?
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jacoballen22 said:
Thanks roxx, you cleared up what I said. You always seem to answer my questions or be in the same thread as me.
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Anytime man, and you made perfect sense. And I'm always floating around.
Just_Josh said:
Cool thanks! I know how to flash roms through rom manager and kernels in recovery. I thought I was doing a nandroid backup by backing up my stock rom before flashing a new one. So I just boot into recovery (rom manager,or root manager) can't remember if it's root manager? But get into recovery and it will say nandroid backup? Once again thanks for helping me. I want to switch to a non-sense rom but don't wanna mess up my Evo!
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Well you can boot into recovery from rom manager, just select reboot into recovery. And I believe you're referring to the bootloader screen. And it only says "nandroid' if you're on amon_ra recovery, but nandroid/backup are the exact same thing. On clockwork, navigate to backup/restore, then backup..and it'll take about 2-5 minutes. After that, go back to the main menu, and wipe factory/data, cache, and then go under advanced and wipe the dalvik cache. After that, install zip from sdcard > install zip > select your rom. And when you boot up, log in, blah blah, then use titanium backup to restore your apps but NOT system settings, or you can get some force closes.

If that's the case, why do I need to flash back to stock rom before flashing a new one? If I'm backing up my phone with a custom rom? Or do I flash back to stock then do a nandroid? You can stop me anytime...lol..I am normal...i swear I am
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Just_Josh said:
If that's the case, why do I need to flash back to stock rom before flashing a new one? If I'm backing up my phone with a custom rom? Or do I flash back to stock then do a nandroid? You can stop me anytime...lol..I am normal...i swear I am
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Lawlz, you don't have to flash back to the original stock rom before flashing a new one. You just backup your current rom, then flash the new one. You always backup befpre flashing in case something bad happens.
1. Backup/nandroid current rom
2. Wipe factory/data, cache, dalvik cache
3. Flash new rom
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And its good to ask questions.

Wow THANK YOU! That makes my life soo much easier. Thank everyone I think I now what I'm doing now and not just doing it! You guys rock!
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Just_Josh said:
Wow THANK YOU! That makes my life soo much easier. Thank everyone I think I now what I'm doing now and not just doing it! You guys rock!
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Anytime, and glad you've got it clear. Always here to help if ya ever need anything.

If they used the proper term, it might be much less confusing. Backups made from the recovery menu are synonymous with making an image of the phone's entire file structure (similar to acronis trueimage for windows). This includes all the system files, applications, settings, and any related customizations.
Titanium backup on the other hand serves the function of baking up an individual application and its' associated data. I don't think there's an equivalent of this on the pc, but you get the idea.
I still don't know where this term 'nandroid' comes from. I've seen it used both as a noun and verb on here, which only complicates matters for those not familiar with the android terminology.

gpz1100 said:
If they used the proper term, it might be much less confusing. Backups made from the recovery menu are synonymous with making an image of the phone's entire file structure (similar to acronis trueimage for windows). This includes all the system files, applications, settings, and any related customizations.
Titanium backup on the other hand serves the function of baking up an individual application and its' associated data. I don't think there's an equivalent of this on the pc, but you get the idea.
I still don't know where this term 'nandroid' comes from. I've seen it used both as a noun and verb on here, which only complicates matters for those not familiar with the android terminology.
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'Nandroid' come from amon_ra, its what its listed from you when backup. Nandroid backup/restore. I personally don't know where it came from, but that's where people get it from.

I repeat what I hear, so nandroid could mean asswipe for all I know lol I never looked it up.
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jacoballen22 said:
I repeat what I hear, so nandroid could mean asswipe for all I know lol I never looked it up.
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I think it was a coined term relating to android, as that is the root of the word.

Nand is the type of flash memory that is used internally on our phones for the android system.
Nand + Android = Nandroid
I'm guessing that's how Amon came up with the name.

ckombo said:
Nand is the type of flash memory that is used internally on our phones for the android system.
Nand + Android = Nandroid
I'm guessing that's how Amon came up with the name.
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Exactly how.

Root question

My wife got an evo like 3 months ago and I've been begging her to let me root it and play around. She finally said ok but wants to stay on stock rom bit remove bkoatware. So my question is I was gonna root with the universal one click but after reading the Instructions it flashes a custom rom (sprint lovers) at the end. What method can u use to root it with s-off but stay on the stock rom for now until I can find her an awesome rom she would like? That's all I want right now is full root with s off with custom recovery but on stock rom. Thank you in advance.
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Unrevoked 3

Sprint lovers is pretty much stock. I believe he used Calk's exploit to make the 3G hotspot feature work but to tether 4G you need wireless tether.
To remove bloatware, use Titanium backup.

www.unrevoked.com. doesn't even lose any data. really a great tool.
if you want to learn a thing or two, use the link in my sig. careful, it wipes...

I rooted my Evo with newest unrevoked. It worked great and like already mentioned above you will not lose any data. With unrevoked you will have the stock rom. First thing to do is make a nandroid backup. Also I installed Amon Ra v2.3 because a lot of people haber better results with out over clockwork
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Smurph82 said:
I rooted my Evo with newest unrevoked. It worked great and like already mentioned above you will not lose any data. With unrevoked you will have the stock rom. First thing to do is make a nandroid backup. Also I installed Amon Ra v2.3 because a lot of people haber better results with out over clockwork
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btw the 'better results' you are talking of has nothing to do with overclock. amon-ra is a recovery, that works better (most agree) than clockworkmod. nothing to do with in the rom.

I rooted my Evo with newest unrevoked. It worked great and like already mentioned above you will not lose any data. With unrevoked you will have the stock rom. First thing to do is make a nandroid backup. Also I installed Amon Ra v2.3 because a lot of people haber better results with out over clockwork but you cannot use rom manager with amon ra. You may want to buy titanium back because you can freeze apps instead of removing them. The benefit is that if the app you remove odd needed for the system to run you can just unfreeze it and everything will be ok. Where as if you uninstall the app may be in a world of hurt. If the phone runs fine for a few day with the app frozen then you can uninstall the app.
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Amon Ra does work better than clockwork for me. Seems to handle clearing the data and other system parts that are needed for flashing different roms.
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Smurph82 said:
Amon Ra does work better than clockwork for me. Seems to handle clearing the data and other system parts that are needed for flashing different roms.
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oh srry read your comment wrong. i read amon-ra works better results without overclock. i guess you said over clockwork. ok then ignore my previous comment.

Thanks guys. I have an epic so I'm just trying to learn the evo. Thank you. I have clockwork for the epic and I hate it. If I use unrevoked I can then use rom manager to flash amon_ra right? I don't really care for rom manager support.
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Also I know you also have to backup the rsa keys. I'm gonna use unrevoked and then flash amon ra. How do I backup the keys? Also I want unrevoked forever right?
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musclehead84 said:
Also I know you also have to backup the rsa keys. I'm gonna use unrevoked and then flash amon ra. How do I backup the keys? Also I want unrevoked forever right?
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Unrevoked includes Forever... flashing separately would just be redundant. Older versions of unrevoked didn't nand unlock, newer versions do.
I backed up my keys using ADB, but this was before I knew I could back them up in recovery. Using Amon Ra, go to the normal backup/restore screen, uncheck the first three things with the power button, then check only the wimax option. Then do your backup. You will, of course, want to back up the rom as well. I'd just suggest doing them separately so you can keep your wimax backup in multiple places without taking up a ton of space.

musclehead84 said:
Also I know you also have to backup the rsa keys. I'm gonna use unrevoked and then flash amon ra. How do I backup the keys? Also I want unrevoked forever right?
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unrevoked automatically runs unrevoked forever. to backup rsa keys, just make a nand backup and be sure to include wimax partition in the backup.
edit: jane beat me to it.

Thanks guys. Just got done rooting the phone using unrevoked3. Went flawless. Now I gotta talk her into letting me play. I'm gonna sneak a custom kernel in on her. Any recommendations for stock rom that I can overclock a little bit? Thanks guys I really do appreciate it
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musclehead84 said:
Thanks guys. Just got done rooting the phone using unrevoked3. Went flawless. Now I gotta talk her into letting me play. I'm gonna sneak a custom kernel in on her. Any recommendations for stock rom that I can overclock a little bit? Thanks guys I really do appreciate it
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myns is convincing, if just for the looks. very nice rom for beginners. also mikfroyo maybe. or just go right for it with cm7 or miui (lawlz).
for sense kernels, netarchy's or ziggys (on his website ziggy471.com)

Yeah she loves sense and I keep telling her there are some custom roms that have sense overlay but I do like myns warm rom. Looks awesome. Ill just get a custom kernel for now and overclock it. Also I haven't flashed amon ra yet. I still have cwm 3.0.0.5 flashed. Is there anyway to backup the keys seperately in cwm or not. I did a nand backup already. I know u said in amon ra you can backup the keys seperately. If I can't on cwm ill just flash amon ra then. That ls guys.
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If you want to install Amon Ra then go here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=705026 for the Evo. I choose to use the the Bootloader way. Just remember that any backup you do with Clockwork can not be used with Amon Ra to restore and vise versa. Also ALWAYS ALWAYS keep a backup copy of your nandroid backups somewhere other than the SD card. I have personally been saved by doing this because for some unknown reason my nandroid folder went MIA one day from the SD Card but I had copies on my computer.

I just rooted my daughters evo yesterday with unrevoked and lost nothing and had a clean root. I also rooted mine and my wifes evo with unrevoked and flawless. unrevoked ftw!

Smurph82 said:
If you want to install Amon Ra then go here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=705026 for the Evo. I choose to use the the Bootloader way. Just remember that any backup you do with Clockwork can not be used with Amon Ra to restore and vise versa. Also ALWAYS ALWAYS keep a backup copy of your nandroid backups somewhere other than the SD card. I have personally been saved by doing this because for some unknown reason my nandroid folder went MIA one day from the SD Card but I had copies on my computer.
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Great advise with the backups! Gonna do that now.

This may be over kill but everytime I do a nandroid backup, with Amon-RA I always select to include the wimax RSA keys. You can just have one, but It is better to have and not need than it is to need and not have.

[Q] does switching recoveries cause any loss?

if i switch from clockwork to amon_ra via ROM manager, will I lose any of my information on my phone?

Nope
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Only the ability to restore your Clockwork nandroid backups with Amon Ra, and the ability to use the flashing functions of Rom Manager. Nothing on your rom will be changed.
Once you switch, go ahead and make a backup with Amon Ra. Leave the original three options checked and include wimax as well.
If you don't know how to flash manually there are tons of guides, and it's something you'd definitely benefit from learning.
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The only thing u need to lose is rom manager
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plainjane said:
Only the ability to restore your Clockwork nandroid backups with Amon Ra, and the ability to use the flashing functions of Rom Manager. Nothing on your rom will be changed.
Once you switch, go ahead and make a backup with Amon Ra. Leave the original three options checked and include wimax as well.
If you don't know how to flash manually there are tons of guides, and it's something you'd definitely benefit from learning.
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I should also add that I had success flashing my radios and upgrading my WIMAX using Amon-RA
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[Q] Backing up WiMax keys

Is this still necessary? I have done searches, but they are old. What is the new protocol and how do I actually back them up?

Not necessary, but backups for any data are always recommended.

It's still safest to do a Nandroid backup with a working wimax partition and keep it stored somewhere just in case you need it at a later date.

How do you do a WiMax partition? I don't see that option on CW

lehalter said:
How do you do a WiMax partition? I don't see that option on CW
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I think after a certain version it started backing them up manually
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I've done the backup and there is no WiMax.img or anything. Anyone have any suggestions? This is the last thing stopping me from changing ROMs, ha.

Use amon RA recovery. It can be found in the link below
Having trouble with AOSP? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1295702

Crossrocker said:
Use amon RA recovery. It can be found in the link below
Having trouble with AOSP? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1295702
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Thank you good sir