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What is with ppl saying clockwork recovery doesn't work right?

I have been reading people saying that clockwork recovery doesn't wipe cache right and some other stuff. I am also starting to see ROM developers even mention this in their posted ROM's.
I have always used clockwork recovery with no problems. Has anyone even bothered to talk to koush about this problem the recovery has or just dissin his mod?
He seems to update it often and I find it hard to believe he hasn't or wouldn't address this.
Anyone?

I am right there with ya? I have used it and not had issues... Maybe its because I don't get crazy on flipping roms that often?

Version 2.5 fixed all past issues with clockwork mod.

Well I was using clockwork mod....latest version of course....and it didn't seem to wipe davlink cache...so last night I did the research and figured out a quick way to flash between RA and clockworkmod recoveries. It's actually really easy to flip between the two through adb. I do flip between roms from time to time and its nice to use the recovery the developer reccomends.
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Help....my clockwork will not let me install the latest recovery ??? What can I do
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What do you mean latest recovery? Clockwork is a recovery.
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I switched to RA after Clockwork recovery tried to strangle me in my sleep. I reported the bug so hopefully it will be fixed in the next version.

I've hopped between Amon and Clockwork, and I like them both. Amon is a cleaner interface (in my opinion) but Clockwork allows you to flash unsigned .zip's, and makes sure that you want to do an action before you do it (i.e. no, no, no, yes, no interface, lololol).
Both are amazing pieces of software.
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stangdriverdoug said:
Well I was using clockwork mod....latest version of course....and it didn't seem to wipe davlink cache...so last night I did the research and figured out a quick way to flash between RA and clockworkmod recoveries. It's actually really easy to flip between the two through adb. I do flip between roms from time to time and its nice to use the recovery the developer reccomends.
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This.
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stangdriverdoug said:
What do you mean latest recovery? Clockwork is a recovery.
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I have been using amon this whole time....I need to flash the netarchy c kernel...when I go to flash latest recovery in clockwork it gives me a error...so I uses the alternative recovery at the bottom of the menus. I still can't flash the kernel
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Oh that sucks.....i did the same thing as you and it went through just fine
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I use Clockwork because that's what Rom Manager uses. Haven't had a single problem with it as of yet. Very nice to be able to update CM6 nightlies without touching a computer.
Seems like Amon has more features / cleaner interface though.

stangdriverdoug said:
Well I was using clockwork mod....latest version of course....and it didn't seem to wipe davlink cache...so last night I did the research and figured out a quick way to flash between RA and clockworkmod recoveries. It's actually really easy to flip between the two through adb. I do flip between roms from time to time and its nice to use the recovery the developer reccomends.
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ROM Manager also allows easy switching as AmonRA's recovery is there as the "Alternate Recovery" on the bottom of the app. It will gladly flash back and forth (I use RA when I am going to update something through any of the CMUpdater-based update apps (DC and Fresh both use these)).
It's important to remember too, that each of the recovery images handle nandroids differently so if you nandroid in one, you have to use that same one to restore.

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It's important to remember too, that each of the recovery images handle nandroids differently so if you nandroid in one, you have to use that same one to restore.
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not really. if you copy the nandroid file from one folder to the other folder, either one will load it.

From my experience, CWM doesn't flash ROMs as well as AR (Failed flashing the CM6 nightly twice, AR got it the first time) and also doesn't have a Wipe Dalvik option, or an as-easy way to mount the SD card.

drmacinyasha said:
From my experience, CWM doesn't flash ROMs as well as AR (Failed flashing the CM6 nightly twice, AR got it the first time) and also doesn't have a Wipe Dalvik option, or an as-easy way to mount the SD card.
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I never had a failure of flashing a rom, on any recovery, period. That is strange, sounds more like a problem with the rom.
CWM definitely has wipe dalvik option, it's under advanced. I just used it

Again clockwork has never failed me ever! It seems to clear cache fine to me as I have never had a boot loop I couldn't get out of.
So far there apears to be ZERO evidence of an issue with clockwork recovery so I guess I need to start asking developers why they are dissing clockwork recovery or just PM Koush directly.
If there is an issue I just want it to be addressed because I love the recovery and ROM Manager.

Clockwork or Armon?

I'm curious, who uses which and why?
*Amon. Oops

I personally use cw...but many people on this forum swear by amon bc they say it is more reliable... some roms require you to use amon to flash. ...I personally have never had issues flashing with cw...
Bottom line is that we have two good choices if you are a flashaholic
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Amon-ra is my preference 0 errors. Clockwork is nice also, has its own app but people have reported a couple of flashing errors. Both are awesome all I can say is try out both see which one you like better.
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I was kind of tempted with the features and GUI of Clockwork, but after reading a bit on here, it seems like Amon Ra is the reliable way to go. I'm new to Evo rooting and roms, but when I had my Nexus One, AR was absolutely the way to go. Rock freakin' solid.

Currently if you have a evo with hboot 2.02 or 2.10 the only recovery u can use after rooting is amon ra...just a fyi
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Amon by far.

Amon_RA, since CWM doesn't work properly on newer hboots, and because CWM does not properly wipe partitions when you tell it to. Simple as that.

drmacinyasha said:
Amon_RA, since CWM doesn't work properly on newer hboots, and because CWM does not properly wipe partitions when you tell it to. Simple as that.
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Im currently using CW...This is why I definitely want to use Ra... however when I flash it using rom manager,and then try any functions in Ra recovery is says "no zip files installed ".. any possible solutions??

I use Amon_ra because it backs up the wimax rsa keys. That's the only advantage I saw
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nextking said:
Im currently using CW...This is why I definitely want to use Ra... however when I flash it using rom manager,and then try any functions in Ra recovery is says "no zip files installed ".. any possible solutions??
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The solution is to place your flashable .zip files to the base sdcard directory and not within a subfolder.

nextking said:
Im currently using CW...This is why I definitely want to use Ra... however when I flash it using rom manager,and then try any functions in Ra recovery is says "no zip files installed ".. any possible solutions??
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Like the person above said, Amon_RA 1.8.0 can only use ZIP files which are on the root of your SD card, not in a sub-folder. Version 2.0 (which Amon_RA has suggested will be coming soon-ish) will have folder navigation.

Amon Ra currently but I have used both. The reasons are clear it backs the RSA keys, and does clear when wiping.
Btw try #grep RSA /sdcard/nandroid/HT065HL*/(name of nandroid file)/wimax.img
You'll see where your RSA keys are stored in your nandroid.

I go back and forth.... I use amon ra for nandroid backups and serious flashes like radio pri nv all that jazz. I like clockwork for ease sometimes. I don't use app2sd. I use titanium to wipe davlik and repeat in either cw or amon ra just to be sure... They both have their good points. and bad
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Can't flash other ROM's after CWM issue

I was affected by CWM when I upgraded to 3.0. I can't flash any ROM's except for Fresh's. I've tried going through Rom Manager, manually downloading ROM, AR recovery. The ROM install will complete but when I reboot I'm still in Fresh's. I don't know what it did to my phone. I've even deleted the rom.zip and downloaded it again thinking it was a bad download. From here on out I'm permanently switching to AR so if you guys can let me know what I should do.
By the way I list my backups. I did have a backup of UD but it won't restore in CWM. Will it work if I copy the backup from CWM and move it to the Amon Ra folder? I don't want to try it and possible make things worse.
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Yes I need help on this, too. I wanted to go to Myn's rom and can not at all. And I believe I read backups are not interchangeable between CW and RA.

You need to restore amon_ra 1.8 as your recovery and then reflash your rom. Cwm backups are not compatible with ra.

t3project said:
You need to restore amon_ra 1.8 as your recovery and then reflash your rom. Cwm backups are not compatible with ra.
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I tried that. I re-downloaded the ROM's, placed on the root, flashed in Amon Ra and it completes but doesn't boot up. Out hangs at the white htc evo splash screen. The CWM broke my phone.
I'm trying to avoid flashing the stock RUU and rooting again. I'm guessing there may be a file thats conflicting. By the way I deleted ROM manager permanently.
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t3project said:
You need to restore amon_ra 1.8 as your recovery and then reflash your rom. Cwm backups are not compatible with ra.
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you can do this using cwm(rom manager) , if its greyed out then dl the latest amon_ra1.8 and put on the root of your sd card, then try again thru cwm. thats what worked for me.
But yea the latest cwm update isnt something to get excited about. doesnt play nice on some evo's.
stick with good ole faithful Amon_Ra and start flashing from recovery, not from some app. its always stable and not to mention wipes correctly/easily

Any tips? I need to get my AOSP rom and Sense ROM loaded.
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So how do you delete CW and get RA?

barats said:
So how do you delete CW and get RA?
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Switch from within ROM manager. At the bottom it says flash alternate... Click on that and flash.
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gqstatus0685 said:
Switch from within ROM manager. At the bottom it says flash alternate... Click on that and flash.
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Thanks!
Only thing I'm worried about, won't I lose my nandroid backups? What if something goes wrong in this flash?

Backup again.
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[Q] AMON RA or Clockwork which is better and why?

So im runnin Clockwork custom recovery on my EVO and I hav read on several threads that using Amon RA is better. I would like to kno the reasons why and if I decide to change how would I go bout it? Please include any links in getting the Amon RA recovery and or procedures please...thanks!

Open Rom Manager and scroll down to select "Flash Alternate Recovery" clcik RA and thats it. Give it a whirl, you dont like it flash back to clockwork via Rom Manager (at top).
personally I use clockwork, only because it works with rom manager.....

I use amon ra, I had it on my moto cliq, then I had to use clockwork on my vibrant, now amon ra on my evo. I like it better. Its probably just personal preference but I have read that clockwork doesnt always do a good nandroid backup/restore, I never tried it though so im not certain. Like to guy above said, its real easy to switch back and forth though

Amon is easier to read, and its prettier.
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Haven't used clock in a while but from what I remember it was more steps to get to certain things and the entire UI was a bit confusing to a new person. Now this is speaking from my hero days, lol so things may have changed!
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It's preference, the general consensus that's misunderstood is that ra is better. This for me is only because my dev has nothing to do with clockwork therefore its rendered useless for me.besides updating ra recovery...
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Personally, i have and do use both, and neither is better, as they do the same thing. The 1 advantage to amon_ra is that you can select the elements of your backup, so they can be smaller, where as clockwork backs up everything by default.

cordell12 said:
personally I use clockwork, only because it works with rom manager.....
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same here..................

zamboniman87 said:
same here..................
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You can still download rom from it [if on premium version], flash alternate recovery, and boot into recovery if on amon_ra; the only thing you can't do it automatically backup the rom from there.

[Q] does switching recoveries cause any loss?

if i switch from clockwork to amon_ra via ROM manager, will I lose any of my information on my phone?

Nope
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Only the ability to restore your Clockwork nandroid backups with Amon Ra, and the ability to use the flashing functions of Rom Manager. Nothing on your rom will be changed.
Once you switch, go ahead and make a backup with Amon Ra. Leave the original three options checked and include wimax as well.
If you don't know how to flash manually there are tons of guides, and it's something you'd definitely benefit from learning.
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The only thing u need to lose is rom manager
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plainjane said:
Only the ability to restore your Clockwork nandroid backups with Amon Ra, and the ability to use the flashing functions of Rom Manager. Nothing on your rom will be changed.
Once you switch, go ahead and make a backup with Amon Ra. Leave the original three options checked and include wimax as well.
If you don't know how to flash manually there are tons of guides, and it's something you'd definitely benefit from learning.
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+1
I should also add that I had success flashing my radios and upgrading my WIMAX using Amon-RA
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