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What is with ppl saying clockwork recovery doesn't work right?

I have been reading people saying that clockwork recovery doesn't wipe cache right and some other stuff. I am also starting to see ROM developers even mention this in their posted ROM's.
I have always used clockwork recovery with no problems. Has anyone even bothered to talk to koush about this problem the recovery has or just dissin his mod?
He seems to update it often and I find it hard to believe he hasn't or wouldn't address this.
Anyone?

I am right there with ya? I have used it and not had issues... Maybe its because I don't get crazy on flipping roms that often?

Version 2.5 fixed all past issues with clockwork mod.

Well I was using clockwork mod....latest version of course....and it didn't seem to wipe davlink cache...so last night I did the research and figured out a quick way to flash between RA and clockworkmod recoveries. It's actually really easy to flip between the two through adb. I do flip between roms from time to time and its nice to use the recovery the developer reccomends.
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Help....my clockwork will not let me install the latest recovery ??? What can I do
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What do you mean latest recovery? Clockwork is a recovery.
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I switched to RA after Clockwork recovery tried to strangle me in my sleep. I reported the bug so hopefully it will be fixed in the next version.

I've hopped between Amon and Clockwork, and I like them both. Amon is a cleaner interface (in my opinion) but Clockwork allows you to flash unsigned .zip's, and makes sure that you want to do an action before you do it (i.e. no, no, no, yes, no interface, lololol).
Both are amazing pieces of software.
~Jasecloud4

stangdriverdoug said:
Well I was using clockwork mod....latest version of course....and it didn't seem to wipe davlink cache...so last night I did the research and figured out a quick way to flash between RA and clockworkmod recoveries. It's actually really easy to flip between the two through adb. I do flip between roms from time to time and its nice to use the recovery the developer reccomends.
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stangdriverdoug said:
What do you mean latest recovery? Clockwork is a recovery.
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I have been using amon this whole time....I need to flash the netarchy c kernel...when I go to flash latest recovery in clockwork it gives me a error...so I uses the alternative recovery at the bottom of the menus. I still can't flash the kernel
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Oh that sucks.....i did the same thing as you and it went through just fine
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I use Clockwork because that's what Rom Manager uses. Haven't had a single problem with it as of yet. Very nice to be able to update CM6 nightlies without touching a computer.
Seems like Amon has more features / cleaner interface though.

stangdriverdoug said:
Well I was using clockwork mod....latest version of course....and it didn't seem to wipe davlink cache...so last night I did the research and figured out a quick way to flash between RA and clockworkmod recoveries. It's actually really easy to flip between the two through adb. I do flip between roms from time to time and its nice to use the recovery the developer reccomends.
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ROM Manager also allows easy switching as AmonRA's recovery is there as the "Alternate Recovery" on the bottom of the app. It will gladly flash back and forth (I use RA when I am going to update something through any of the CMUpdater-based update apps (DC and Fresh both use these)).
It's important to remember too, that each of the recovery images handle nandroids differently so if you nandroid in one, you have to use that same one to restore.

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It's important to remember too, that each of the recovery images handle nandroids differently so if you nandroid in one, you have to use that same one to restore.
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not really. if you copy the nandroid file from one folder to the other folder, either one will load it.

From my experience, CWM doesn't flash ROMs as well as AR (Failed flashing the CM6 nightly twice, AR got it the first time) and also doesn't have a Wipe Dalvik option, or an as-easy way to mount the SD card.

drmacinyasha said:
From my experience, CWM doesn't flash ROMs as well as AR (Failed flashing the CM6 nightly twice, AR got it the first time) and also doesn't have a Wipe Dalvik option, or an as-easy way to mount the SD card.
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I never had a failure of flashing a rom, on any recovery, period. That is strange, sounds more like a problem with the rom.
CWM definitely has wipe dalvik option, it's under advanced. I just used it

Again clockwork has never failed me ever! It seems to clear cache fine to me as I have never had a boot loop I couldn't get out of.
So far there apears to be ZERO evidence of an issue with clockwork recovery so I guess I need to start asking developers why they are dissing clockwork recovery or just PM Koush directly.
If there is an issue I just want it to be addressed because I love the recovery and ROM Manager.

Clockwork or Armon?

I'm curious, who uses which and why?
*Amon. Oops

I personally use cw...but many people on this forum swear by amon bc they say it is more reliable... some roms require you to use amon to flash. ...I personally have never had issues flashing with cw...
Bottom line is that we have two good choices if you are a flashaholic
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Amon-ra is my preference 0 errors. Clockwork is nice also, has its own app but people have reported a couple of flashing errors. Both are awesome all I can say is try out both see which one you like better.
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I was kind of tempted with the features and GUI of Clockwork, but after reading a bit on here, it seems like Amon Ra is the reliable way to go. I'm new to Evo rooting and roms, but when I had my Nexus One, AR was absolutely the way to go. Rock freakin' solid.

Currently if you have a evo with hboot 2.02 or 2.10 the only recovery u can use after rooting is amon ra...just a fyi
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Amon by far.

Amon_RA, since CWM doesn't work properly on newer hboots, and because CWM does not properly wipe partitions when you tell it to. Simple as that.

drmacinyasha said:
Amon_RA, since CWM doesn't work properly on newer hboots, and because CWM does not properly wipe partitions when you tell it to. Simple as that.
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Im currently using CW...This is why I definitely want to use Ra... however when I flash it using rom manager,and then try any functions in Ra recovery is says "no zip files installed ".. any possible solutions??

I use Amon_ra because it backs up the wimax rsa keys. That's the only advantage I saw
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nextking said:
Im currently using CW...This is why I definitely want to use Ra... however when I flash it using rom manager,and then try any functions in Ra recovery is says "no zip files installed ".. any possible solutions??
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The solution is to place your flashable .zip files to the base sdcard directory and not within a subfolder.

nextking said:
Im currently using CW...This is why I definitely want to use Ra... however when I flash it using rom manager,and then try any functions in Ra recovery is says "no zip files installed ".. any possible solutions??
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Like the person above said, Amon_RA 1.8.0 can only use ZIP files which are on the root of your SD card, not in a sub-folder. Version 2.0 (which Amon_RA has suggested will be coming soon-ish) will have folder navigation.

Amon Ra currently but I have used both. The reasons are clear it backs the RSA keys, and does clear when wiping.
Btw try #grep RSA /sdcard/nandroid/HT065HL*/(name of nandroid file)/wimax.img
You'll see where your RSA keys are stored in your nandroid.

I go back and forth.... I use amon ra for nandroid backups and serious flashes like radio pri nv all that jazz. I like clockwork for ease sometimes. I don't use app2sd. I use titanium to wipe davlik and repeat in either cw or amon ra just to be sure... They both have their good points. and bad
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tim

[Q] does switching recoveries cause any loss?

if i switch from clockwork to amon_ra via ROM manager, will I lose any of my information on my phone?

Nope
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Only the ability to restore your Clockwork nandroid backups with Amon Ra, and the ability to use the flashing functions of Rom Manager. Nothing on your rom will be changed.
Once you switch, go ahead and make a backup with Amon Ra. Leave the original three options checked and include wimax as well.
If you don't know how to flash manually there are tons of guides, and it's something you'd definitely benefit from learning.
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The only thing u need to lose is rom manager
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plainjane said:
Only the ability to restore your Clockwork nandroid backups with Amon Ra, and the ability to use the flashing functions of Rom Manager. Nothing on your rom will be changed.
Once you switch, go ahead and make a backup with Amon Ra. Leave the original three options checked and include wimax as well.
If you don't know how to flash manually there are tons of guides, and it's something you'd definitely benefit from learning.
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I should also add that I had success flashing my radios and upgrading my WIMAX using Amon-RA
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[Q] Best Recovery

I've just always used ClockworkMod (and never had any problems), but always see people post that AmonRA is superior, but I haven't seen why? Is there really a big advantage of one over the other? Thanks!

The only time you would ever see an issue is when you have a problem. AmonRA eliminates ever having a recovery issue. Amon also has a couple more features that come in handy.
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Neither is perfect, but Amon Ra tends to have less problems. That's not saying that no one has ever seen an issue with Amon Ra, but it's less likely. Amon Ra supports both edify and amend scripts where CWM only supports edify. I prefer the way Amon Ra is organized - the menus make more sense to me. I haven't used ClockworkMod since I first rooted my phone almost a year ago, so I can't tell you the difference in options. Back then, Amon Ra had more options, but I haven't seen the updates to ClockworkMod. Clockwork has been known to have some problems wiping properly as well.
If you're comfortable with CWM and have not had any problems, I see no reason to switch. I believe that Amon Ra is better, but that doesn't mean that I believe that everyone should use it. If you do have a problem, you'll know what to switch to. Or you can go ahead and switch now and see if you like it better.
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I was never able to successfully update my radio, wimax, etc when I used cw. However, that was back in the 3.x days and I haven't messed with the latest version. Like the saying goes, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it." Well the version of cwm was broke at that time, therefore I switched to Amon-ra. I haven't had any complaints since. If you do switch, you'll need to make a new backup since the recoveries aren't compatible with each other. Good luck.
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amon ra doesn't have advance restore data so thats a drawback..

FWIW, I've been using amonRa 1.80 since July '10, and I have never had a recovery problem or bad flash or bad wipe. And it flashes anything I throw at it.
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I've always used clockwork no matter wat phone I was using.. not sure about a.r. but i say if it aint broke don't fix it...
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I use amonra solely bc it has the wimax backup feature. Not sure if cwm has that but I got burned before not using amonra when I decided to fiddle with radio updates and lost 4g. Sorry if I went off topic but I vowed to myself to always use amonra and not kick myself in the ass again
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I used to use clockworkmod until i read the "how to root for dummy's" thread and switched to amon ra. I have no idea why, i just did.
I did notice, however, that when I was using clockworkmod I would have to reflash a certain rom 2-3 times to stop it from berserking. Maybe it didn't wipe my data correctly? Who knows. But after switching to amon ra, I didn't have to relfash a rom. That scenario could have been caused by a completely different reason but I'm sticking with it.

try teamwin recovery

Amon ra recovery

I am on amon ra 2.3. What are the benefits of updating to the newer(4.1?) recovery?
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I am like you and am using an older version of Amon ra. I thought about updating to the newer version but since everything works great the way it is I decided to leave well enough alone. What I have does what I want without any problems.
Doc

If you search the development thread, you will find the changelog for ra recovery...I don't remember all of the additions, but the changelog will fill you in and you can decide from there if it is worth staying with something that works, or have something else that works with more options.

i was the same way and thought i would change phones before i needed a recovery different from Amon_ra 2.3. I did make the switch to smelkus and it is very very good. The batch wipes alone are worth the change.
Give it a try, it's not like you can't change back...

The automatic rebooting after backups is nice.

To change to the new amon ra recovery do I just place the new .img file in the root directory and then go to the bootloader to update right?
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HappyDuck13 said:
To change to the new amon ra recovery do I just place the new .img file in the root directory and then go to the bootloader to update right?
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Easier way is to download the PC36IMG.zip off of smelkus's thread then boot into bootloader, it will read it like it does an ruu and then you hit the volume up button to install. Thats it
Edit: to save you some time, here is the zip from Smelkus's thread, remember to rename the file to PC36IMG

Love Smelkus version. No problems so far.
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There's a lot to be said for how trick TWRP is, but...
The second I booted into this I remembered how great AR backups are. Simple, smart, easy on the eyes, easy to use... and yes, I agree, the WIPE menu in this version is so excellent that alone makes it worthwhile.
It would be perfect if the settings ("x"s) in NAND BACKUP held from one backup to the next.
Great work, highly recommended!!