Is it possible to replace the Snapdragon processor in the Incredible with a Dual-Core chip?? This topic is far too advanced for me, but I am curious. I love my incredible so much, that I would rather update it's components before tossing it aside for some new piece of hardware.
Thanks in advance.
I would like to say anything is possible. But I'm going to respond with a simple no. Its a little more involved than just swapping. And even if you could, the cost would not even make it worthwhile.
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I would like to say anything is possible. But I'm going to respond with a simple no. Its a little more involved than just swapping. And even if you could, the cost would not even make it worthwhile.
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Hit the nail on the head there.
Could you do it if you were extremely tech savvy and were on some kind of hell-bent mission to preserve your phone? Possibly. But the bottom line answer is pretty much no.
It would cost as much as a dual-core phone.
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It would cost as much as a dual-core phone.
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So like 10 bucks? Bahaha
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I read the title and lol'd...LOL
I'm guessing you've built/upgraded a desktop processor or even a laptop processor before. It's nowhere near as easy.
You'd have to unsolder, find a qualcomm processor (you can't just buy one of newegg), write drivers that work with the rest of the phone, solder the new processor in, and cross your fingers.
It would probably cost more than two Evo 3Ds off contract
Yes it is, I did it today while jumping over the Grand Canyon.
What kind of running shoes did you use while jumping the grand canyon?
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Yeah.... I'd estimate that effort requiring as much skill, equipment, schooling, and patience as a doctor specializing in separating conjoined twins at the skull. I'd be amazed if the pin-out was similar looking, much less the same. In the end you'd probably end up with something as chunky as my dInc with my massive 3500mAh battery installed... but with only the stock battery.
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Yeah.... I'd estimate that effort requiring as much skill, equipment, schooling, and patience as a doctor specializing in separating conjoined twins at the skull.
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Bush league. Give me something difficult already. Sheesh.
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I'm guessing you've built/upgraded a desktop processor or even a laptop processor before. It's nowhere near as easy.
You'd have to unsolder, find a qualcomm processor (you can't just buy one of newegg), write drivers that work with the rest of the phone, solder the new processor in, and cross your fingers.
It would probably cost more than two Evo 3Ds off contract
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No, when it comes to actually building anything tech wise, the most I have done is add RAM. I have done plenty of mods on cars/motors, just not on gadgets. I was hoping that the concept would be the same. Maybe, solder here, grind there, and voila...done.
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I have had just about every Android phone Verizon offers. And obviously, my latest is the inc2 which I love BTW. But I have noticed something- the amount of activity and or support for this device amazes me. Is it JUST because we don't have perm root yet? It seems like even peoples basic questions go unanswered because not enough people are around.
In no way am I trying to point any fingers or rush the amazing devs. I am just curious as to why there seems to be very little activity here. Could it be that people are already happy with their inc2 the way they are, so there isn't much rush to change it? I don't think so.. theres always bigger and better things to try and look forward to.
I came from a fascinate previous to this phone and had more problems with it than I could even begin to list. But the dev support was there. Hopefully its just the root factor causing the lack of support.. or maybe I am missing something. Please try to refrain from the flaming.
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Is it JUST because we don't have perm root yet?
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Yes. Pair that with the fact that this isn't the most attractive "cutting-edge" device.
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Yes. Pair that with the fact that this isn't the most attractive "cutting-edge" device.
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Neither is the Eris or the Hero but the amount of support they recieve is astonishing!! Even still to this day the threads and contributors continue to grow at a steady pace.
Going forward with what the op stated and as u gunther mentioned, its because we still dont have root. In time we will achieve root and shortly there after the threads and postings will grow as well.
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Yes. Pair that with the fact that this isn't the most attractive "cutting-edge" device.
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I've herd others say this and I don't get it. It's a very high end phone! Second generation snapdragon with gpu and a front facing camera? I'de say its high end. Not a tb but not many phones have dual core or Tegra 2 yet. Plus 4g is too much. It sucks battery and its not covered enough yet. 3g is just fine for me. Its the best phone Verizon has at the moment. The battery is great, its fast, amazing build quality and the video chat is a nice plus. I call it the thunderbolt's little brother.
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Give it more than a little over a month.. this is why I keep my inc1 to play with. it'll come..
I believe the issue is that HTC has given us an ounce of hope by telling us that they will no longer lock their bootloaders. By doing this, most people are hesitant to try and root their phone since they know that HTC might do it for them. (Or provide an automated solution, of course.)
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I've herd others say this and I don't get it. It's a very high end phone! Second generation snapdragon with gpu and a front facing camera? I'de say its high end. Not a tb but not many phones have dual core or Tegra 2 yet. Plus 4g is too much. It sucks battery and its not covered enough yet. 3g is just fine for me. Its the best phone Verizon has at the moment. The battery is great, its fast, amazing build quality and the video chat is a nice plus. I call it the thunderbolt's little brother.
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Sure, it's not a tbolt. Differences:
tbolt has 4.3" screen, I2 has 4" screen
tbolt has LTE, I2 does not
tbolt has a kickstand built in, I2 does not
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Do you find these differences revolutionary? Because that's pretty much the only real differences. They both have the same SOC (2nd gen snapdragon), same 768mb RAM, same cameras, etc. The core hardware is pretty much the same. Unfortunately the storage controllers are different enough to make the rooting process for the tbolt not work for the I2, but it's my understanding they are similar enough that a similar hack is being worked on.
(this isn't targeted at gigamchz, just expanding on what was said)
I agree completely with nearly everything stated. What would you guys think about starting up an IRC room for us "non-devs" ? Ive got one setup, but if nobody is interested in making use of it, I don't see a reason to move forward with it.
I was only thing Irc because its a lot easier to get an answer to your question quickly. And also there would be a strict rule of no flaming. So hopefully people would feel more comfortable asking questions.
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Can we desolder the CPU from the evo 3D and put it on the Evo 4G? Any expert know how many leads are in each processor?
cough wow! lmao! NO YOU CAN'T "SOLDER" a processor onto your evo. lmao! plus, what would be the point? if we could build our own phones. well... that would be great. It's micro for a reason. now you can put a 3d screen in for the evo. and it would work. however, then the software wouldn't work.
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cough wow! lmao! NO YOU CAN'T "SOLDER" a processor onto your evo. lmao! plus, what would be the point? if we could build our own phones. well... that would be great. It's micro for a reason. now you can put a 3d screen in for the evo. and it would work. however, then the software wouldn't work.
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Well you could provided you have a very steady hand, are skilled in soldering surface mount components, and the tools to do so. In this case you couldn't because the CPU footprints are entirely different.
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Motherboard might not know what to do with it too.
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Can we desolder the CPU from the evo 3D and put it on the Evo 4G? Any expert know how many leads are in each processor?
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I can't speak on whether it's technically compatible. I do think it's probably soldered by robots in the factory. Your fine motor control probably isn't good enough.
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I can't speak on whether it's technically compatible. I do think it's probably soldered by robots in the factory. Your fine motor control probably isn't good enough.
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I don't think our phones would even acknowledge the processor if it is even swappable. Even if it could wouldn't it be hindered by the rest of the hardware?
OC your current one to 1.2 and you'll get exactly what you think you might get swapping for 110% less headache and money. 1.2 on these phones is stable and then some.
What the hell? It's like asking can I put the engine from lambo into a fiesta. Would not work... Facepalm...
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See-Through Tablets
WoW this is awsome and could hit the market in 2012. I hope its true.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/this-could-be-big-abc-news/see-tablets-2012-144516380.html
yeah completely invisible internals are soooooo possible.
I seriously doubt that....
bwhahahaha... if we see something like that in our lifetimes that will be a miracle.
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I seriously doubt that....
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Did you ever watch Star Trek The Next Generation when it was out? The idea of computers the size of a book was a futuristic idea. It was an idea that was considered 300 years in the future. Now we have tablets that are even more advanced than those in the show.
The military is now testing invisible armor
Purdue is testing nano-technology for cloaking devices
MIT is working on a tractor beam using light technology
We have cell phones that are more powerful than the computers used to power the space shuttle to the moon circa 1969
Even the play station 3 has the computing power of super computers from 1997.
Technology improves at incredible rates. I would be shocked if we don't have see through and flexible tablets inside of 10 years and maybe even 5.
I want what you are smoking... did you not see the holographic display and the entire thing was transparent and flexible?!?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJEHp15Hoo0
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Did you ever watch Star Trek The Next Generation when it was out? The idea of computers the size of a book was a futuristic idea. It was an idea that was considered 300 years in the future. Now we have tablets that are even more advanced than those in the show.
The military is now testing invisible armor
Purdue is testing nano-technology for cloaking devices
MIT is working on a tractor beam using light technology
We have cell phones that are more powerful than the computers used to power the space shuttle to the moon circa 1969
Even the play station 3 has the computing power of super computers from 1997.
Technology improves at incredible rates. I would be shocked if we don't have see through and flexible tablets inside of 10 years and maybe even 5.
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I believe flexible but not see through... How's that even possible????
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I believe flexible but not see through... How's that even possible????
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Here's the real see through AMOLED screen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6YQiKmDWpI&feature=relmfu
Anyone ever work for Boeing? After seeing the stuff that goes in and out of there anything seems possible. Whether or not it would make it to a commercial market is another story. But there are things being built that I only thought existed in movies lol
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Anyone ever work for Boeing? After seeing the stuff that goes in and out of there anything seems possible. Whether or not it would make it to a commercial market is another story. But there are things being built that I only thought existed in movies lol
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Boeing is great and all but the real magic is at Skunk Works. Anything is basically possible. Electronics are advancing so fast these days it won't be long before we are wowed with another break through phone tech.
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Boeing is great and all but the real magic is at Skunk Works. Anything is basically possible. Electronics are advancing so fast these days it won't be long before we are wowed with another break through phone tech.
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Skunk Works is so far ahead and they are great about keeping quiet about what they have as well
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Skunk Works is so far ahead and they are great about keeping quiet about what they have as well
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...maybe samsung's next phone will be designed by boeing...>,>
While the commercial seems to be an exaggeration it will most definitely be commercial produced within the next 5-10 years.
Invisible internals? While I'm sure they can minimize the visibility of such things what I think most likely to happen is there will be a 'hand grip' or such where all of the unhideables will be hidden...mostly the battery. The motherboards for these devices is already insanely tiny and only 1 or 2 more process shrinks and super-integration of all of the disparate circuits could reduce the entire motherboard to a chip the size of an SD card.
The flexible invisible screen already exists...and it's AMOLED.
The battery is going to be the hard part...though perhaps we're not thinking 'out of the box' enough IRT batteries. I know there is lots of work going on in the polymer-battery area...flexible, semi-flexible or formless liquid batteries? Who knows....but...we will see it.
This is no flying car...these are consumer electronics. These megalith companies have a vested interest in making the stuff they just sold you yesterday completely obsolete by today to take more of your money tomorrow. That's their incentive. That's why Apple will sit on a phone for a year...they also make money on the back-end in the app store. Samsung makes money on the hardware, that's why there's so much of it.
I see nothing compelling of current gen, next gen or even rumored next-next gen Androids/smart phones. My phone is pretty damn fast and thin and has a huge screen...aside from radio upgrades, storage upgrades and processor upgrades...which we really don't need yet, we are way ahead in that department....I want something as amazing as a flexible see through phone. Going from a Lotus to a Moment was amazing, going from the Hero to the Evo4G was amazing....Going from the Evo to Evo3D was, umm, incremental? Slightly? Evo3g-NS4G to ET4g? It was cool, it is the superior phone for certain, but...amazing? Not anymore.
Bring on the transparent holographic liquid-polymer see-through battery invisible electronic 4D 5G LTE-A² ultra-phones. I'm getting bored, lol.
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...maybe samsung's next phone will be designed by boeing...>,>
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Maybe it's already in the works
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I saw a preview some where online that a japaneese company has a thin plastic film stuff that did just what this describes in this video. I totally beleive it. Ovbiously the internals arnt see through but the diaplay could be. It was shocking when i saw the preview demo a year or so ago
Edit- it was slightly like the videos posted in page one. I posted beford i read it all to see if there were videos
Honestly, some people here have no imagination. The internals, for example, don't need to be see through, they just have to be smaller and clustered to a certain edge of the device and be covered by something black so it looks like a design. The rest can be clear. Done!
You guys need to balance out some logic with imagination, you will then see how close these things are to actually being in production.
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i would totally trade in my tab 10.1 for one of these.
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yeah completely invisible internals are soooooo possible.
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Hahahaha
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Will it have CM9? If not, I'll pass.
Hi there Nexus owners, I currently own a Nexus S, and I plan on switching to a Galaxy Nexus but I was wondering since the Sa Nexus camera is lacking in the numbers when it comes to megapixels, does anyone know of the possibilities of swapping the camera of an SII (8mp) with that of our phone?
My Nexus S takes good enough pictures at 5mp but I just want to justify the lack of a need for the SIII over the Nexus.
I found the back camera for an SII for sale here.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Samsung-Gal...ltDomain_0&hash=item3a73f3b2f3#ht_3470wt_1378
nice double post. i'll reply here too:
No. Its not going to happen. Seriously people?
Seriously. It's just one of those days. You know it had to happen with the influx of gnex flying out the door recently.
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Sorry about the double post, I had to when I noticed the post right after mine stating "All Questions to Go into the Q&A Section".
So why do you think its not going to happen? Any insights?
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Seriously. It's just one of those days. You know it had to happen with the influx of gnex flying out the door recently.
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So why do you think its not going to happen? Any insights?
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Because you can't just take apart 2 phones and swap parts frankenstein style. Just because they're both phone cameras doesn't mean they're "plug and play". These things aren't desktop computers, their parts are not interchangeable.
If you think that the camera on the GNex is that bad (it actually isn't), and a phone camera is that important to you, don't buy the GNex.
Thanks for the input, I brought it up only because I know a fairly similar act was successfully pulled off with the Galaxy S and the Galaxy S 4G, with the front camera swap. Maybe someone with better knowledge of the internals can give some insight on what differences exist if there are. I dont mind getting the GNEX to be frank, way to much pros over the cons, but I can't wait to be able to swap out parts off a phone on the fly like a computer. Now thats going to be the best thing that happened to the phone industry after Android.
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Thanks for the input, I brought it up only because I know a fairly similar act was successfully pulled off with the Galaxy S and the Galaxy S 4G, with the front camera swap.
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The Galaxy S and Galaxy S4G are effectively the same phone, one just has a faster radio.
...but I can't wait to be able to swap out parts off a phone on the fly like a computer. Now thats going to be the best thing that happened to the phone industry after Android.
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This isn't ever going to happen.
martonikaj said:
This isn't ever going to happen.
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Remember the name "Toba", You will think of me when it does happen.
fixedonfixies said:
Remember the name "Toba", You will think of me when it does happen.
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Phones have been closed proprietary hardware systems since the modern smartphone. They're getting more closed and proprietary as time goes on. If you want better performance, battery life, and design you need them to be closed, sealed devices.
Even laptops are going this way. If you wanna swap parts get a dekstop computer.
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Maybe someone with better knowledge of the internals can give some insight on what differences exist if there are.
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The Galaxy Nexus and Galaxy S II camera modules are totally different. If the SII camera worked out of the box with the Galaxus' ISP (which is quite possible,) the connectors are completely different. It would require so much work that it just wouldn't be worth it by any stretch.
That and it probably wouldn't even fit inside the phone.
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Remember the name "Toba", You will think of me when it does happen.
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How many universal parts/standards do you see on the inside of phones? Even if parts were more universal your phone would be uglier than Frankenstein and look like a mummy with all the duct tape keeping it together so you have something usable. A lot of things would have to become standard before swapping parts in and out even becomes thinkable. Think when a thought pops happens upon your head.
let it be.
When i read threads like this or those "can i install Gingerbread on gnex? " i really think these are TROLLS trying to get people mad...
Makes no sense, you want a better camera? Get a nikkon camera... I dont even see the point on better cameras on a phone.. If i can take a picture to put a Face on my contact or to take any fast photo for a quick reference.. Im ok.. Now if I want really good pictures for a wedding, 15 years daughter party or any special moment.. Id hire a professional photographer.. Thats all about it
Ppl tends to be really stupid about this, like iphone fan Boys.. When they figured 4S its a piece of crap they only got left to say oh but the camera its awesome... Yeah?? Better than a nikkon 24mp / 300 photos per second / 2milles zoom 250gb internal memory 1 touch in screen per 300 photos?... I say go to hell
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Thanks for ur inputs guys. That been said if you are a member of XDA then I will think you won't be one to comfortably accept what the manufacturer gave u as is, keep it in your pocket and feel satisfied, we are here to tweak, tinker and learn from these devices, some of us at least.
If no one challenged what manufacturers have handed down then there won't be a need for MIUI, Voodoo, Ezekeel etc. I was only looking to see the possibilities I am not an electronic head to know exactly what can be or cannot be done. But I sure can don't mind satisfying my curiosities by raising questions i am unsure about, so call me a troll if u want. "That don't faze me foo".
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Thanks for ur inputs guys. That been said if you are a member of XDA then I will think you won't be one to comfortably accept what the manufacturer gave u as is, keep it in your pocket and feel satisfied, we are here to tweak, tinker and learn from these devices, some of us at least.
If no one challenged what manufacturers have handed down then there won't be a need for MIUI, Voodoo, Ezekeel etc. I was only looking to see the possibilities I am not an electronic head to know exactly what can be or cannot be done. But I sure can don't mind satisfying my curiosities by raising questions i am unsure about, so call me a troll if u want. "That don't faze me foo".
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Even if possible, if. You got enough money to buy 2 phones just to swap cameras, or lets put it this way, the camera its so portant to you that you dont mind spending over 1k USD just to swap the camera and with the risk of damaging the 2 phones in the process (as you said "you are not an electronic head") so risk its even higher of messing all the things up.. And wasting 1k USD?? Ok thats your money its your problem but dont Think any decent person around here will lead you to that and as i said if the camera its so important, dude theres plenty devices out there with 8/12 mp cameras and you can always flash some stock/custom ICS room to that device.
So you can get your camera with ICS in a reasonable way and any1 could help you accomplish that
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The Galaxy Nexus and Galaxy S II camera modules are totally different. If the SII camera worked out of the box with the Galaxus' ISP (which is quite possible,) the connectors are completely different. It would require so much work that it just wouldn't be worth it by any stretch.
That and it probably wouldn't even fit inside the phone.
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The first helpful post. Not just people *****ing about people asking questions on a Q&A forum.
This was an interesting question, yet the regulars still just see it as an opportunity to ***** and moan. Why hang around the Q&A forum if you're just gonna get pissed off with every single question that gets asked?
Thanks Sjael.
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Even if possible, if. You got enough money to buy 2 phones just to swap cameras, or lets put it this way, the camera its so portant to you that you dont mind spending over 1k USD just to swap the camera and with the risk of damaging the 2 phones in the process (as you said "you are not an electronic head") so risk its even higher of messing all the things up.. And wasting 1k USD?? Ok thats your money its your problem but dont Think any decent person around here will lead you to that and as i said if the camera its so important, dude theres plenty devices out there with 8/12 mp cameras and you can always flash some stock/custom ICS room to that device.
So you can get your camera with ICS in a reasonable way and any1 could help you accomplish that
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OP linked an Ebay listing of a SGS2 camera that he would have purchased if it was possible to swap the cameras..
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The first helpful post. Not just people *****ing about people asking questions on a Q&A forum.
This was an interesting question, yet the regulars still just see it as an opportunity to ***** and moan. Why hang around the Q&A forum if you're just gonna get pissed off with every single question that gets asked?
Thanks Sjael.
OP linked an Ebay listing of a SGS2 camera that he would have purchased if it was possible to swap the cameras..
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Well not 1k USD but 700 then thats not the point
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PsiAdster said:
The first helpful post. Not just people *****ing about people asking questions on a Q&A forum.
This was an interesting question, yet the regulars still just see it as an opportunity to ***** and moan. Why hang around the Q&A forum if you're just gonna get pissed off with every single question that gets asked?
Thanks Sjael.
OP linked an Ebay listing of a SGS2 camera that he would have purchased if it was possible to swap the cameras..
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Exactly. If you don't like questions maybe you should stay out of QnA.
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Remember the name "Toba", You will think of me when it does happen.
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Don't forget the duct tape and jb-weld.
I still don't get why people are so worried with the GN's camera. I have both (GN & GS2) and can't tell from a glance "oh, this is the GN and this is the GS2" from looking at a picture.
- both are back illuminated sensors
- a 1920x1080 screen is 2 megapixels, most professional photographers say that 5 megapixels is more than enough, above is only useful if you *print* on large medias (eg. posters)
- both have the same sensor size
It is true that the GN had focus oddities and no image stabilization but this was fixed in 4.0.4. Don't forget that the GN has 2 CPUs (Cortex M3) dedicated solely to the camera subsystem. This is why there's instant shoot on that device.
Also consider that things change WAY too fast in this industry to develop standards. Intel can make a new CPU and ride on it for 2-3 years before they need to make a new one, even with AMD nipping at its heels. And when they make their CPU, they make it however they want, and the OEMs will build the form factor around it.
Smartphone companies do not have the same luxury. People want their sensor-laden connected supercomputers to fit comfortably in their hands, and they want it right now. If someone were to try to come up with a standard CPU, it would be obsolete before the ink dried on the standards page. Look how long it took them to agree on MicroUSB, and that's just a port.
Company: Here's your camera standard, the C5. Plug it into any board and you're good to go.
OEM: Only 8 megapixels? No backlight? Not good enough.
Company. OK, here's the C6.
Only 12 megapixels? NO CMOS sensor?
And on it goes.
Do u think in 10 years phones well be built able like after market desktops
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Maybe. I think it would be possible, but a pain in the butt to do because they will be so small. They may have large screens, but most of the guts come from the battery really. If someone could create a tiny and powerful battery, phones would be crazy thin.
Back on topic, I think it could be possible, but not possible to take out individual components without a tool or machine to do it for you.
Then again, phone companies will probably decide against it entirely simply because they want you to spend the money and upgrade. The parts themselves are probably dirt cheap, but when the manufacturers put them together, increase the sale price tenfold. From a business perspective it doesn't make sense.
Now, another thing to consider is the rate of change in technology. In 10 years, phones might be a thing of the past. After all, they are pretty much replacing computers. I just typed up a document the other day on my phone because I didn't want to wait and boot up my computer
But I guess my answer is, no I don't think it will happen. Just my opinion though.
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Don't really think but that would be so cool. Changing rams, motherboard, cpus... lol
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