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Another DI18 or DK28 Thread.

Well here I am, tried out DK28 since late december and ive had it till now... Im seeing that we are pretty much getting nowhere without source, and I am starting to get really, really crappy battery life (6 hours). So I'm browsing XDA and I see a lot of DK28 back to DI18 threads and people saying "Oh I'm back on Syndicate, or Baked Snack, and I'm loving it with a good old source rom and custom kernal" so it got me thinking, the Froyo features... "hmm App2Sd... not a big deal to me, i only install a handfull of apps, Flash 10.1.. well **** i cant even get over 200kbps download so im not going to use flash anytime soon", and thats about it (as far as i know)... So, tonight I downloaded the old DI18 tar.md5 and my old syndicate rom for some good old 1.2 GHZ overclocking... But now I'm thinking, is it worth it to downgrade? I really like my gingerbread theme that I have flashed, and well everything else is custom... but is it worth the downgrade? And what about everything being edify nowadays? What do you guys think?

lol, i go back and forth every day practically. the good thing is all these awesome developers give us so many choices and different things to try out. i usually end up back on a custom kernel for the battery life, but i don't think there is any one right answer. maybe when official Froyo drops, that will be the right answer..... but then of course we'll probably have Gingerbread leaks, lmao.

i had to go back, with the bugs and the battery life.. just wasn't worth it to me. syndicate and dI18 are fine for now, froyo is on its way. IMO Retro is in!

I couldn't go back. I love how snappy my phone is on ext4 and I love froyo. I don't see the bugs that people talk about. Sure every os had bugs but its not bad at all. In the end though its all up to in and what you want.
Sent from my Evo Killer!!!

coke32 said:
i had to go back, with the bugs and the battery life.. just wasn't worth it to me. syndicate and dI18 are fine for now, froyo is on its way. IMO Retro is in!
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Yeah, retro is cool! The funny thing is we're only talking 3 months old here, haha.

Well I decided to bit the bullet and I'm back on Syndicate... Now I hope Samsung gets their stuff together and releases their source soon :/

I switched back to Syndicate Rom few days ago liking it so far.
Things I miss from dk28: GPS
Things I don't miss: contact screen info lag, calling reliability
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fastmikey1969 said:
I switched back to Syndicate Rom few days ago liking it so far.
Things I miss from dk28: GPS
Things I don't miss: contact screen info lag, calling reliability
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I am so glad I'm not the only one who experienced calling reliability on DK28. Sometimes it will dial (or appear to be dialing) but with no sound. This highly annoying when you're just trying to make a quick phone call.
Sent from Carl Sagan through the Cosmos

I think its a bug and you can toggle speakerphone as a workaround.
Maybe I'll try it if I go back to DK28.
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I am so glad I'm not the only one who experienced calling reliability on DK28. Sometimes it will dial (or appear to be dialing) but with no sound. This highly annoying when you're just trying to make a quick phone call.
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fastmikey1969 said:
I think its a bug and you can toggle speakerphone as a workaround.
Maybe I'll try it if I go back to DK28.
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Yeah, the toggling trick seemed to work... minor bug really. I just haven't been able to get really good battery life on DK28.

DK28 to EC05
So, XDA rocks, but I'm stuck.
I've got DK28.
What is "flash" versus using Odin?
Is the Samsung cable REALLY that awful? I have not one computer that is recognizing the phone.
I don't want to lose my data. What are my options?
How can I get to EC05 now? How can I get comfortable "flashing" around without losing my data? What does that mean? I mean all data. Apps on home screens, apps etc.
Thanks! I hope you can point me to the right steps to just get my phone back to normal stock.
REALLY would appreciate a nice set of consolidated definitions.
Thanks!

Its not that hard but you can save all your data using rom manager!

Stop necro'ing threads, people.

Well, at least I learned that "necro" is now a verb. Awesome!

The quickest ROM out there...

Since opinions run rampant around these parts, I figured I'd ask for the hell of it. As for me, when I first made the progression to 2.2, I tried ViperROM but I didn't like some of the 2.2 features, so I switched back to 2.1. Eventually I came back to 2.2 and was running Syndicate ROM (pre Frozen) and was quit happy with it, then something randomly crashed and someone suggested that I try Bonsai instead. I made the switch (Syndicate 3.1 at the time) and it was wildly faster, and since then I've stayed with them up to 4.1. At the moment though, I've got a corrupted system again (due to my own screwing around), so I'm looking to start my phone from scratch and flash something again, so I wanted to see if anyone can suggest anything different...and why I should. Yes, I know I can just go try it myself, but I figured a poll and get the opinion of the collective could persuade me into which direction I should go, and as I said, why I should. I figure others have done the same as me where they went from one ROM to another, so what made you switch and/or stay with the one you're running now.
For me, battery life isn't a huge concern...I gave up on a phone lasting me more than 8hrs of steady use since the Treo days. I want a stupid fast and snappy ROM that has either lots of features or is stripped and easily upgraded to the features I want. I'm a texting and music streaming whore, constantly on messageboards and I want stability and speed within the OS itself, using BT, crashless when using apps like internet, games, etc. I forgot to put Bonsai on the list, but either way...throw your .02 at me.

Midnight zips around, and with the BYOR version has almost nothing on it...
I love that it gives you the option almost to customize every single aspect without adding too much bulk

They both have BOYR, but I had to edit it out to make it fit in the box...I have no idea what BOYR or Journaling does for me though compared to Bonsai that I'm running now.

Frozen is a really fast rom. I went back to stock ec05 for a couple days to bug test an issue I was having then went back to srf 1.1 again and it is the best. I hear their next release is going to be nothing short of AMAZING. EVEN BONSAI WON'T BE ABLE TO TOUCH IT WITHIN 500 YARDS. Well until acs does......... srf is the best
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I've used both SFR and Bonsai and I have to say Bonsai, but by a little. Noticeable difference, but not incredible.
...Where is Bonsai?

jbadboy2007 said:
EVEN BONSAI WON'T BE ABLE TO TOUCH IT WITHIN 500 YARDS.
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Dream on...
Sent from Bonsai 7.0.3

SpicyBurrito said:
...Where is Bonsai?
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Google is your friend and we have been busy.
Sent from Bonsai 7.0.3

SpicyBurrito said:
I've used both SFR and Bonsai and I have to say Bonsai, but by a little. Noticeable difference, but not incredible.
...Where is Bonsai?
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I somehow forgot to add it to the list, mostly because I was going off of active threads here and forgot that they've moved to their own website instead. I tried to edit the OP, but it wouldn't let me add Bonsai to the poll that I had created. I'm still running Bonsai (corrupted now) so I'm trying to get a feel if I should try something else and why.
I've never tried SRF as I made the switch to Bonsai right before Frozen came out, so maybe I should reconsider Syndicate again. I still don't completely agree w/ Bonsai's almost pretentious choice to leave a forum that enabled them to even to themselves on the map, but that's for a different thread that has already been created. Also, it seems Tmillar has enlisted the ACS team in an effort to get TV-Out working, and as far as I know, it'll only work on ACS's ROMs.

SFR is the best.
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Top Nurse said:
Google is your friend and we have been busy.
Sent from Bonsai 7.0.3
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I'm admittedly DEV ignorant about how things work, but I was reading the blog about how Bonsai is being blocked by Sprint's network. Unless I'm completely missing something, I remember Syndicate ROM's mentioning something about taking all the Sprint tracking stuff out of it's custom ROM, so does that mean Bonzai still has the Sprint tracking stuff in it, and is that why they're able to block people from coming to your site via the phone?

Top Nurse said:
Google is your friend and we have been busy.
Sent from Bonsai 7.0.3
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No no no. I'm using Bonsai right now. I should have been more specific. I meant on the poll. But it's nice to hear you guys are busy on Bonsai.

For those replying, please vote in the poll as well.
For any Admin that might be reading this, is there a possibility to add Bonsai to the poll since I missed it.
Grassyass.

I just noticed that there are people who clicked more than one ROM, messing up the few results on the poll and the whole point of this thread. All these views, and only a handful of votes.

Don't listen to jbadboy he's always talked a lot of crap about bonsai for some reason. I guess he can do better himself. Lol. He can name it bad boys rom.
Sent From My Evo Killer!!

I am trying to figure out where to get the roms.....help
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Tukisha2000 said:
I am trying to figure out where to get the roms.....help
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They are in the Development section, except for Bonsai, you can find that one in my signature below.

I'm using ACS SFR, with the genocide kernel.
It is quick. But still has some little qwerks that I've just given up on(most all related to the browser).
I would try Bonsai, But I don't want to get on to, and participate on another website/forum for just one dev/rom. I already have enough forums. But I am curious as to what happened to the other dev's; ie viper, nova, etc... and it seems like most the one available are based on acs sfr.

Speed ASC, stability Bonsai and battery life Midnight Rom.
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I'm running Syndicate Frozen at the moment, but when I was on Syndicate (pre the current Frozen that is out now) and switched to Bonsai 3.1, Bonsai was far quicker at that time.
I'm getting around 1800's in Quadrant, so maybe after the next Bonsai update comes out, maybe I'll try it again.

m5james said:
I'm getting around 1800's in Quadrant, so maybe after the next Bonsai update comes out, maybe I'll try it again.
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Remember the kernel is clocked at 1ghz by default.

Anyone else feel like the phone ran better stock?

Maybe its just me, but when I first got the phone I had no problems.. Now after rooting and flashing custom roms I get random freezes, crazy battery drain and the infamous LOS.. and contrary to popular belief it has something to do with root.. I didn't root my phone or anything for at least a week after having it and none of the problems started until after.. Most people are having are probably having the same issues but since members on here always want to bite your head off anytime you say something they don't agree with, noone says anything. Im just making an observation and if you don't like it, feel free to hit the back button anyways, anyone feel the same way? BTW this isn't a rant against the developers. They are all great and I appreciate all the hard work.. I just feel like theres a missing link or something causing the problems.. what are ypur thoughts
Tapatalkin' it from my Epic Touch 3g

Lol, no.
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I feel the same way... I'm getting serious battery loss after flashing a few of these roms.. with stock Rom I was getting a good 20 hours moderate use.. now with custom roms I'm getting like 10 hourz... I'm In noway knocking on any devs.. I do appreciate everyones contribution... I think it's a lil still early in the galaxy development
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Mine ran great fresh out the box for sure, but thats also because it was fresh and had no apps installed etc lol.
Some roms seem to work better than others. Running Starbust 1.2 with zedo's 4.1 kernel and it's running absolutely great now, better than unrooted IMO.
Could be grass in greener on the other side syndrome, try unrooting and see if you still feel that it runs better stock. With ODIN it's pretty quick and easy to jump back from rooted to not and back again.
I will always be rooted because I love trying out new things and custom roms and overclocking/undervolting etc.. it's fun, like a hobby for sure. And sometimes that hobby especially with beta stuff isnt that stable lol!
Just having adfree and wifi tethering is more than enough reason for me to root. But when the really cool custom roms start coming out, it's gunna be on like donkey kong
I did run a rooted rom with the stock kernel, and I have to say I like zedo's better.
My 2 cents

jok3sta said:
Maybe its just me, but when I first got the phone I had no problems.. Now after rooting and flashing custom roms I get random freezes, crazy battery drain and the infamous LOS.. and contrary to popular belief it has something to do with root.. I didn't root my phone or anything for at least a week after having it and none of the problems started until after.. Most people are having are probably having the same issues but since members on here always want to bite your head off anytime you say something they don't agree with, noone says anything. Im just making an observation and if you don't like it, feel free to hit the back button anyways, anyone feel the same way? BTW this isn't a rant against the developers. They are all great and I appreciate all the hard work.. I just feel like theres a missing link or something causing t runninghe problems.. what are ypur thoughts
Tapatalkin' it from my Epic Touch 3g
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I'm running stock + root.
There's nothing even remotely interesting to me in the current incarnations of the 3-4 roms available - they are all stock+ mods+ bugs.
Thank you very much but I can install those mods myself.
It's your own fault your phone is running like crap - don't mod it if you don't know what you are doing.

jok3sta said:
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Source?
My stock-rooted E4GT is working just fine. No LoS, no random reboots, no freezing up, no locking up... no bloat, great battery life, no BS.

I had a ton of issues with LOS and some random reboots on Zedomax's root kernel. Flashed to the stock + CMR and havent had an issue since.

I'll be serious now.
Aside from me disagreeing that root is the cause of LOS issues (I got them stock too) this is all part of the fun of modifying your gadgets.
Fun? Yeah, I said fun. These are insanely complex devices and it is still very early in their development cycle. If you aren't game then style out of it for a while until things mature. Hacking around ain't for everybody... As long as I maintain basic functionality I/we will (eventually) figure out the rest. That's the fun part.
That said I haven't experienced any of what you describe, besides a few unexpected FCs.
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nabbed said:
I'm running stock + root.
There's nothing even remotely interesting to me in the current incarnations of the 3-4 roms available - they are all stock+ mods+ bugs.
Thank you very much but I can install those mods myself.
It's your own fault your phone is running like crap - don't mod it if you don't know what you are doing.
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Haha ur a clown.. I've probably been modding my phones before you had your first smartphone. I've been modding smartphones since the T-Mobile mda days and Ive had 8 or 9 since then all modded. I know the risks that come with modding. So don't assume because you jus make an ass out of... well you know the rest. Anyway.. I was just making a statement to maybe see if others are having the same issues, or if maybe its just my handset. I'm going to try going back to Stock rooted and see if the issues continue.. right now I'm on starburst 1.2 with zedo 4.1.
Tapatalkin' it from my Epic Touch 3g

daneurysm said:
I'll be serious now.
Aside from me disagreeing that root is the cause of LOS issues (I got them stock too) this is all part of the fun of modifying your gadgets.
Fun? Yeah, I said fun. These are insanely complex devices and it is still very early in their development cycle. If you aren't game then style out of it for a while until things mature. Hacking around ain't for everybody... As long as I maintain basic functionality I/we will (eventually) figure out the rest. That's the fun part.
That said I haven't experienced any of what you describe, besides a few unexpected FCs.
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I agree with the fun part.. I mod anything I get my hands on. Not only my phones. Computers, cars you name it.. its in my nature.
Tapatalkin' it from my Epic Touch 3g

I'm stock with root, and it runs smoother than when I was on oc kernel
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S2

I agree that LOS is not caused by rooted kernal. But, I did experience LOS alot more often than stock kernal. When I got the phone I stayed unrooted for a little over a week. I experienced 2 LOS during that time period. Once I finally rooted I was experiencing LOS @ least 3 times a day. LOS also drains the battery like crazy. One night I left the phone off the charger with 100% battery life. When I woke up, the phone was in LOS and only had 40% battery life. Well, today last night I finally switched to stock kernal. So far today no LOS.
I digress. Stock rom works perfect but I needed so mods that require root. The battery percent mod, wireless tether, and roam control. I think I'll wait for an AOSP rom before I try anything different roms.

I've tried all the currently available kernals for ths phone. I've rooted and unrooted. Right now, i'm on stock rooted. I'm still experiencing LOS, but it seems less frequent than when I was on custom kernals. It could be other criteria, though. I haven't tried any of the ROMs, only because I want a stock ROM to flash, if something goes wrong. I don't remember the epic taking this long to get the stock ROM available to us. My memory may be slipping, though.
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jok3sta said:
Haha ur a clown.. I've probably been modding my phones before you had your first smartphone. I've been modding smartphones since the T-Mobile mda days and Ive had 8 or 9 since then all modded. I know the risks that come with modding. So don't assume because you jus make an ass out of... well you know the rest. Anyway.. I was just making a statement to maybe see if others are having the same issues, or if maybe its just my handset. I'm going to try going back to Stock rooted and see if the issues continue.. right now I'm on starburst 1.2 with zedo 4.1.
Tapatalkin' it from my Epic Touch 3g
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Stop whining!

nabbed said:
Stop whining!
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Not really sure where you see whining. But I do see a clown who has nothing better to do that reply to my "whining". thanks for the post bump though. Now back on topic.. lets keep this sucka free please
Tapatalkin' it from my Epic Touch 3g

this is why I will wait another week or 2 before rooting....this phone is awe sum as stock, but, like any newly released phone, it takes a few weeks before all the truly revolutionary stuff gets developed.
Most devs have a real job, a family, and a real life, so you can't really expect flashing "nirvana" only a week or so after a phone comes out.

jok3sta said:
I agree with the fun part.. I mod anything I get my hands on. Not only my phones. Computers, cars you name it.. its in my nature.
Tapatalkin' it from my Epic Touch 3g
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Same mentality here my man. It's either rooted... Overclocked.... Or supercharged. I like things over the top lol. Heck even my gas powered scooters and rc cars are souped up. Sorry.... Back on target.
Samsung Galaxy S II

I'm stock since day 1, when the phone first released, and I get LOS once a day. It's killing me not to have root, but I am not modding unless there is a factory RUU available straight from Samsung. Personally, and to no discredit to the developers, I don't trust the stock rom pulled from another phone. This phone is just a bit too new for me to be permanently altering it without a 100% safe way back. The OG Epic was made almost unbrickable, so it's reasonable to assume that a year from now, we will be rolling like pigs in **** with cool stuff to flash.
But I get what you are saying, and honestly, the community did not explode like I thought it would. Seems to be more HTC fans these days then Samsung, and just judging from Samsung's post launch support, or lack thereof, I can understand why...
Furthermore, my 3G speeds were horrible day 1 and continue to suck balls. Most times at work I can't even browse the market because of timeouts. 4G seems to work good though, and that's the only reason I haven't just returned this phone yet.
Check this thread:
http://community.sprint.com/baw/thread/76962?start=0&tstart=0
This is sprint's official forum, and they are just now admitting to the crappy radio implementation on this phone. Should have seen this coming a mile away, but honestly I was just too busy looking at this gorgeous 4.52" AMOLED+ screen to notice...

This is the first phone I've had were I don't feel the need to root, and I wouldn't have rooted until it had been perfected more.
Swyped from my Samsung Galaxy SII EPIC 4g Touch on XDA Premium!

my main reason for rooting was a few apps i had that needed root. as well as the battery percentage

[Q] What am I to do...

Ok, I am currently on contract with sprint until the end of next august. I was disappointed with the extended delay/final build of Froyo for this thing, and still trying to play the usuall waiting game on Gingerbread right now. My Epic i currently still "pure" and not rooted. I really don't want to risk Rooting it, but at this point I feel I should. I've been researching this for a while now but all I could come up with were very old articles,build roms, belated possible dates & info on the epic touch. Only thing I could get out of contacting sprint some time ago was the usuall "it's coming soon" I'm not the patient type.
So...you think I should quit my risk full induced hesitancy and root my phone then and there, or simply be stuck with froyo and keep playing the waiting game (If they don't decide to abandon releasing the build in favor of sticking with the new 4.0 /GSII lines).

I've got to say that for me the upgrade from Eclair to Froyo made a huge improvement in my Epic. I've rooted the phone so I can run various backup and and adblocker apps, but every time I try custom Froyo ROMS I end up going back to stock because of some odd problem or crash or something that doesn't work.
Right now I'm trying the Gingerbread EH17 leak with the source code compiled kernel, which is the most stable Gingerbread I've found. Is it better than Froyo? Yeah. Is it a lot better? nope. On a scale of 1 to 10,the upgrade from Eclair to Froyo went from 5 to 8, the upgrade to Gingebread takes it to 9. Graphics are a bit smoother, there are a few more options on some apps, Video calling is supported. Nothing to get too antsy about.
By the way, rooting Froyo is easy using the one-click method. Rooting Gingerbread requires using Odin right now, which makes it possible to brick the phone by checking the wrong options, although just reading the instructions carefully should make it pretty safe.

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Ok, I am currently on contract with sprint until the end of next august. I was disappointed with the extended delay/final build of Froyo for this thing, and still trying to play the usuall waiting game on Gingerbread right now. My Epic i currently still "pure" and not rooted. I really don't want to risk Rooting it, but at this point I feel I should. I've been researching this for a while now but all I could come up with were very old articles,build roms, belated possible dates & info on the epic touch. Only thing I could get out of contacting sprint some time ago was the usuall "it's coming soon" I'm not the patient type.
So...you think I should quit my risk full induced hesitancy and root my phone then and there, or simply be stuck with froyo and keep playing the waiting game (If they don't decide to abandon releasing the build in favor of sticking with the new 4.0 /GSII lines).
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If you waited this long, you might as well wait for the Gingerbread OTA...who knows maybe you'll be the first to get it! Wasn't Castro08 the first to get EC05 OTA? You'll be instantly famous
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Jbluna said:
Ok, I am currently on contract with sprint until the end of next august. I was disappointed with the extended delay/final build of Froyo for this thing, and still trying to play the usuall waiting game on Gingerbread right now. My Epic i currently still "pure" and not rooted. I really don't want to risk Rooting it, but at this point I feel I should. I've been researching this for a while now but all I could come up with were very old articles,build roms, belated possible dates & info on the epic touch. Only thing I could get out of contacting sprint some time ago was the usuall "it's coming soon" I'm not the patient type.
So...you think I should quit my risk full induced hesitancy and root my phone then and there, or simply be stuck with froyo and keep playing the waiting game (If they don't decide to abandon releasing the build in favor of sticking with the new 4.0 /GSII lines).
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There is really no disadvantage to rooting your phone. There is a program called odin which you can return your phone back to 2.2 android. To root your phone all you have to do is copy a few files to your sd card and run a .bat or .sh (windows or linux) .
Rooting your phone puts you in control. You can remove programs that bug you or keep starting on there own. You could also put on a different rom. If you need more help let us know.

Wait it out. You're really not missing out on much. just a different version name and color scheme to be honest. So unless you got some girl at home waiting for you to wow her with a phone that's running GB. Take a number, sit back and worry about bigger things in life.
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Wait it out. You're really not missing out on much. just a different version name and color scheme to be honest. So unless you got some girl at home waiting for you to wow her with a phone that's running GB. Take a number, sit back and worry about bigger things in life.
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+1, gingerbread is a little better than froyo, but nothing overly awesome about it. Cm7 (gingerbread) is pretty *****in, but u can do that from ec05...
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Jbluna said:
Ok, I am currently on contract with sprint until the end of next august. I was disappointed with the extended delay/final build of Froyo for this thing, and still trying to play the usuall waiting game on Gingerbread right now. My Epic i currently still "pure" and not rooted. I really don't want to risk Rooting it, but at this point I feel I should. I've been researching this for a while now but all I could come up with were very old articles,build roms, belated possible dates & info on the epic touch. Only thing I could get out of contacting sprint some time ago was the usuall "it's coming soon" I'm not the patient type.
So...you think I should quit my risk full induced hesitancy and root my phone then and there, or simply be stuck with froyo and keep playing the waiting game (If they don't decide to abandon releasing the build in favor of sticking with the new 4.0 /GSII lines).
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Ok first of all don't be afraid of rooting
2nd if you want out of your contract DO NOT TAKE NO for an answer from them! after the crap ass GPS on DI18 & more crap with EB13 & the camera not working right, I got out of my contract with sprint.
You just have to get past the "gate keeper" thats the first & some times the second person you get on the phone. All you have to do is start talking **** (with out cussing ) to them about the "crappy updates" & if they try & blame samsuck then you go into the fact that there NAME "SPRINT" is plastered on the fount of the dam phone & if there name is on something then they need to own up & take responsibility

Two problems with ICS.

Well, maybe two and a half.
I was using FB17 on my old black ET (bought on launch week), before it was bricked.
GPS would not connect. Vlingo was very broken - would not work with a bt car kit unless you manually unlocked the screen.
It was very snappy in my testing though.
I now have a brand new white ET, and I tried FC14.
Exact same problems. None of those were fixed in the last 3 1/2 weeks.
Thank god someone has figured out that you can simply remove vlingo garbage and replace it with a number of dialing apps like google voicedialer. I don't know if it can be done on ICS, but it works very well in EL29 gb roms.
So, GPS is a deal breaker right now, possibly on two somewhat different versions of hardware (old black et vs white new et.) What the hell are the developers thinking not fixing gps?
Also, FC14 was noticeably choppier than both EL29 and FB17. Maybe it was because of the particular widgets/software I used, I don't know. Could be a problem too.
Anyway, any thoughts?

nabbed said:
Well, maybe two and a half.
I was using FB17 on my old black ET (bought on launch week), before it was bricked.
GPS would not connect. Vlingo was very broken - would not work with a bt car kit unless you manually unlocked the screen.
It was very snappy in my testing though.
I now have a brand new white ET, and I tried FC14.
Exact same problems. None of those were fixed in the last 3 1/2 weeks.
Thank god someone has figured out that you can simply remove vlingo garbage and replace it with a number of dialing apps like google voicedialer. I don't know if it can be done on ICS, but it works very well in EL29 gb roms.
So, GPS is a deal breaker right now, possibly on two somewhat different versions of hardware (old black et vs white new et.) What the hell are the developers thinking not fixing gps?
Also, FC14 was noticeably choppier than both EL29 and FB17. Maybe it was because of the particular widgets/software I used, I don't know. Could be a problem too.
Anyway, any thoughts?
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When I started flashin ICS Roms...Couldn't get a lock or very spotty coverage...I tried all the Apps out there for GPS...None worked...What worked best has been used by many people on here...for me it worked the first time and I always get a lock...Here's the deal...
If you are willing to take the time to do it, this seems to work for everyone:
Odin one click back to Gingerbread
Odin flash kernel w/ recovery
Restore nandroid (optional)
Get GPS lock on Gingerbread and keep it on.
Boot to recovery and flash format all zip and ROM.
So Odin one click back to el29 GB...
get CWM there as well...Get your lock...leave it on...Go to CWM...restore your ICS Rom of choice...Reboot...ICS will open up and you will have GPS lock...works everytime...At least it has for me and a lot of people on here...
GPS was the Deal breaker for me as well...I use it a lot...Now I have an ICS Rom for my Daily Driver...

Well GPS hasn't been a strong point for Samsung in general. The devs your referring is Samsung, right? They have the necessary tools, like source code and non-gpl drivers. I'm pretty sure Samsung will get GPS better on ics at some point.
El29 is very refined. I would totally expect it to run smoother than any ics leak at this point.
I don't use any car/voice mode, so I cant comment on that.
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ronny71 said:
When I started flashin ICS Roms...Couldn't get a lock or very spotty coverage...I tried all the Apps out there for GPS...None worked...What worked best has been used by many people on here...for me it worked the first time and I always get a lock...Here's the deal...
If you are willing to take the time to do it, this seems to work for everyone:
Odin one click back to Gingerbread
Odin flash kernel w/ recovery
Restore nandroid (optional)
Get GPS lock on Gingerbread and keep it on.
Boot to recovery and flash format all zip and ROM.
So Odin one click back to el29 GB...
get CWM there as well...Get your lock...leave it on...Go to CWM...restore your ICS Rom of choice...Reboot...ICS will open up and you will have GPS lock...works everytime...At least it has for me and a lot of people on here...
GPS was the Deal breaker for me as well...I use it a lot...Now I have an ICS Rom for my Daily Driver...
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It works for a while. Then you lose gps again. It's too much trouble flashing and reflashing, whereas it should just work.
EL29 calks roms is very nice and smooth. Everything works, with a proper theme it looks a lot like ICS. It's just not worth it putting up with ICS bugs right now.
The only thing I'm really missing from ICS was the browser.

In the two days I've been running FC15 I've experienced none of what you mention. I think it's the luck of the draw with hardware/software and sprint service in your area. Are you updating your profile and PRL after flashing new modems?
FC15 is the smoothest build I've experienced since EL29 (which remains my goto version if the current ICS build doesn't do the job).
Did you do a complete wipe before installing? Did you make sure to flash the full rather than the nodata version if going from GB to ICS?
I'm certainly not insinuating you are incapable of knowing how to flash new builds but sometimes we overlook the simplest steps which leads to major complications.
If you've done all the above (including using Calkulin's format all) and still experience these issues then I'd definitely stick with EL29 for awhile longer.

My gps locks faster than ever. It's insane. I used gps all over CT, RI, and MA this weekend and was perfect. Didn't even get confused by 95 exchange in Providence.

Esoteric68 said:
In the two days I've been running FC15 I've experienced none of what you mention. I think it's the luck of the draw with hardware/software and sprint service in your area. Are you updating your profile and PRL after flashing new modems?
FC15 is the smoothest build I've experienced since EL29 (which remains my goto version if the current ICS build doesn't do the job).
Did you do a complete wipe before installing? Did you make sure to flash the full rather than the nodata version if going from GB to ICS?
I'm certainly not insinuating you are incapable of knowing how to flash new builds but sometimes we overlook the simplest steps which leads to major complications.
If you've done all the above (including using Calkulin's format all) and still experience these issues then I'd definitely stick with EL29 for awhile longer.
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Yeah, I've done all those things and even more you never heard about.

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Well, maybe two and a half.
I was using FB17 on my old black ET (bought on launch week), before it was bricked.
GPS would not connect. Vlingo was very broken - would not work with a bt car kit unless you manually unlocked the screen.
It was very snappy in my testing though.
I now have a brand new white ET, and I tried FC14.
Exact same problems. None of those were fixed in the last 3 1/2 weeks.
Thank god someone has figured out that you can simply remove vlingo garbage and replace it with a number of dialing apps like google voicedialer. I don't know if it can be done on ICS, but it works very well in EL29 gb roms.
So, GPS is a deal breaker right now, possibly on two somewhat different versions of hardware (old black et vs white new et.) What the hell are the developers thinking not fixing gps?
Also, FC14 was noticeably choppier than both EL29 and FB17. Maybe it was because of the particular widgets/software I used, I don't know. Could be a problem too.
Anyway, any thoughts?
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Of course el29 will be smoother it's an official release. It isn't the developers fault GPS is goofy on ics either they been working hard to fix it... maybe you should read the bug list before you flash anything. Nothing will be completely stable until an official release is out thank the devs they got us this far and at least we can use most ics roms as a daily driver... a couple months ago no one can even get ics to function now look were we Are.
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musikalharmony said:
Of course el29 will be smoother it's an official release. It isn't the developers fault GPS is goofy on ics either they been working hard to fix it... maybe you should read the bug list before you flash anything. Nothing will be completely stable until an official release is out thank the devs they got us this far and at least we can use most ics roms as a daily driver... a couple months ago no one can even get ics to function now look were we Are.
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I was talking about Samsung developers, not xda developers. Maybe I should have clarified. But I thought it was self-evident, since there's no source code for ICS available yet (and probably won't be for months.)
As for bug lists - ICS roms threads simply don't have them. So please don't patronize and act all butthurt for no reason.

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Yeah, I've done all those things and even more you never heard about.
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Well if you've tried all those and many you 'assume' I've never heard of then I think you've answered your own question.
Stick with EL29 until the official ICS is available. With any luck we aren't far off.

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Well if you've tried all those and many you 'assume' I've never heard of then I think you've answered your own question.
Stick with EL29 until the official ICS is available. With any luck we aren't far off.
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It's hard.
The flashaholic in me wants to try fc15. I know gps wont work in it, from the review qbking77 posted. But maybe it will be as snappy as FB17 was...
BTW, when is the official Sprint ics release due?

nabbed said:
It's hard.
The flashaholic in me wants to try fc15. I know gps wont work in it, from the review qbking77 posted. But maybe it will be as snappy as FB17 was...
BTW, when is the official Sprint ics release due?
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FC15 gps does work. I'm getting a lock right now on 8 satellites.

The Root said:
FC15 gps does work. I'm getting a lock right now on 8 satellites.
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It doesn't work for qbking77, so I assumed it won't work for me.

nabbed said:
It's hard.
The flashaholic in me wants to try fc15. I know gps wont work in it, from the review qbking77 posted. But maybe it will be as snappy as FB17 was...
BTW, when is the official Sprint ics release due?
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It is hard to not flash and I'm only a recent flashaholic (boy do I wish I'd paid more attention to XDA when I had my EVO 4G, would've saved me the mistake of buying the POS 3D).
After FC07 I was going to stick with EL29 until the official release came out but then the 13, 14 and 15 leaked builds came out with overall good reviews so I dove in again and so far I haven't regretted it.
Official release date, who knows, this is Sprint after all but with the leaks coming fast and furious common sense would dictate it can't be too far off (at least we hope).

nabbed said:
It doesn't work for qbking77, so I assumed it won't work for me.
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Believe me mine works...EveryTime...Im runnin on FC14 at the moment ...didn't think there is a need to update to 15 since 14 is runnin fine...Everything runs on My Rom...But like I told ya if GPS didn't work Id be back on GB...Right now Im runnin an EL29 Modem on MIJJz BLEND ICS "THE GOODNESS" 2.3...IMO its the hottest ICS Rom out there hands down...Its smooth quick snappy...uou name it...With functioning GPS for me...But if you think you'll be happy with GB go back...Im stickin with the ICS leaks till the final and I think they are Damn close...

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I was talking about Samsung developers, not xda developers. Maybe I should have clarified. But I thought it was self-evident, since there's no source code for ICS available yet (and probably won't be for months.)
As for bug lists - ICS roms threads simply don't have them. So please don't patronize and act all butthurt for no reason.
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You are aware of the difference between "unknown dev-state leaks" versus "official releases", right? Also that devs post leaks for us to test and report back bugs, of which there are multiple threads containing these lists, right? The issues you report have been answered in several threads, several times.

My gps has worked in every FC ICS build so far. (Lucky me I guess)
Few things that don't work, error out.
Accuweather daemon sometimes FC's.
Moving apps to SD card a bit wonkey. Currently doesn't move them to the ACTUAL SD but to "usb storage" on the phone. FC15 only.
A handful of apps still aren't compatible with ICS. (NOT the rom fault).
Signal bar info isn't correct on any build pre FC15.
Market sometimes takes awhile to actually start downloading apps.
GPS sometimes doesn't turn OFF. <- eating your battery VERY quickly.

Toleraen said:
You are aware of the difference between "unknown dev-state leaks" versus "official releases", right? Also that devs post leaks for us to test and report back bugs, of which there are multiple threads containing these lists, right? The issues you report have been answered in several threads, several times.
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I wasn't reporting anything. I was just reflecting on how in 3.5 weeks of my absence, the most blatant deal breaker bugs have not been fixed.

I've never flashed an ICS rom but I use FC15 modem with blazer 4.0 and It's possibly the best modem I've used with this phone. Smooth as can be and what seems to be better data speeds than the other modems.

I_FLY_Z3R0 said:
I've never flashed an ICS rom but I use FC15 modem with blazer 4.0 and It's possibly the best modem I've used with this phone. Smooth as can be and what seems to be better data speeds than the other modems.
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Im on an ICS Rom...just flashed FC15 for test run...
I see 17 and 19 are due out soon...