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Cheeky T Mobile UK Dropping data to 500mb!!

found a link saying that t mobile are dropping down to 500mb for feb 1st! fortunately im not with t mobile as im on an unlimited internet plan with orange but will others follow suit? having unlimited internet was the reason i didnt end up with a hd7 so important is the internet to me. especially with the amount of data that wp7 needs and will need even more in the future....anyone think this is acceptable???

I agree, it is quite cheeky for them to be reducing the data plans down to 500MB. I've noticed a few providers going that direction, which is kind of silly because especially at a time like this when we are heading towards an internet driven society where having internet access is becoming a necessity, rather than a luxury.
Providers should be increasing the data plans, not reducing them, seeing as the data infrastructure is already in place. In fact they should be investing in improving and increasing bandwidth capabilities. Just seems like they want to suck more money out of consumers...
I do understand they need money to improve and increase bandwidth capabilities, but reducing data plans is not the way to go. Perhaps providing truly unlimited plans at a slightly higher price should be available.
davidebanks, you mention you are on Orange. Just be aware that T-Mobile UK and Orange are now joint companies, and may steer towards combining their tariff policies. You may get a letter telling you that they will be restricting your data plan too!

t mobile and orange are using can now use eachothers networks not sure if thats the same as joining companies. hope not now. so im paying £35 pounds a month for my service which includes unlimited internet. if mine goes down to 500mb, is there anything i can do about this? like cancel contract or something? i just dont get why they are doing it. im sure its for good reason but i own wp7 device so with all its facebook updating all friends stuff and pictures, Bing maps + internet, the Cloud service which microsoft strongly encourage us wp7 to use and then fob us uk customers with mainly 8gb devices....the list goes on......

I really can't understand how a carrier dares to provide a dataplan with less than 1GB in the year 2011 -500MB have been up-to-date in the year 2008!
I hope that they'll lose all users due to this stupid decision.
I have a 3GB dataplan for 2 years now included with my phone-plan and I'm absolutely sure that I'm paying less for this than T-Mobile users are paying for their 500MB-plan.

yes i reckon you are paying less. our `unlimited` internet is usually 1gb, whilst other countries have 3gb `unlimited` I also forgot to mention Zune as well! low memory storage, then ask us to use and pay for cloud storage. then carriers start dropping our monthly limit.

If you have an Android phone, or you say you have an android phone they give you 3GB. I'm sure they'll extend that to WP7 when it becomes more popular (although they don't actually check what phone you have).
And yeah Orange and T-Mobile are now the same network, in the UK at least (T-Mobile and Orange still exist as separate entities in other countries, France, Germany etc). It doesn't mean we'll be seeing Orange tarrifs on T-Mobile though. Infact the reason why they are still called Orange and T-Mobile and not 1 network called Everything Everywhere is because they didn't want to ruin the brand of T-Mobile being "Value" and Orange being "Premium".
@davidebanks: Phone them up, tell them you have an android phone, ask to be upgraded to 3GB and they'll to it at no extra cost.

davidebanks said:
so im paying £35 pounds a month for my service which includes unlimited internet. if mine goes down to 500mb, is there anything i can do about this? like cancel contract or something?
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Yes, that would be considered a rather large change in their T&C's so you could cancel the contract no questions asked. However, for this reason - they are unlikely to apply the 500MB limit to exsiting contracts. More likely than not you will continue on your existing plan until your contract runs out at which time you will be offered a renewal with the new limit in place.
Here in Sweden, I have the "basic" data addon which costs me something like 6 quid a month, that includes 1GB of data at full speed - once I've used the 1GB speed is limited to 120kbps. Additional packages (costing between 12-18 quid) give you 5 and 10 GB of traffic before the speed is limited. There are also offers of truly unlimited plans where you can use as much as you want at full speed (although they are rather pricey).

Hopefully this is not implemented state side, but I would say this is a pretty messed up cut back and you can't download. The high limit before you are throttled on t-mobile is the only reason I stuck with them, if I'm not mistaken its 3gigs. I mean I am paying for the data service I should be able to use it however I like. There only two US carriers that I know of that doesn't have a limit on data and the other one is Sprint. So I guess I might be changing over if they try and pull this over here.

I've got a 500Mb per month plan with orange and samsung omnia 7, i'm adding on a further 500Mb soon though as 500 just isn't enough for WP7, even with my minimal usage i'm still going through at least 150Mb a week. Someone needs to make a Data consumer app, that's if microsoft would let them :/

emigrating said:
Yes, that would be considered a rather large change in their T&C's so you could cancel the contract no questions asked. However, for this reason - they are unlikely to apply the 500MB limit to exsiting contracts. More likely than not you will continue on your existing plan until your contract runs out at which time you will be offered a renewal with the new limit in place.
Here in Sweden, I have the "basic" data addon which costs me something like 6 quid a month, that includes 1GB of data at full speed - once I've used the 1GB speed is limited to 120kbps. Additional packages (costing between 12-18 quid) give you 5 and 10 GB of traffic before the speed is limited. There are also offers of truly unlimited plans where you can use as much as you want at full speed (although they are rather pricey).
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Actually, I have an unlimited dataplan with Tele2 in Sweden, and I pay 7 £ for that (80kr) a month.

Strutten said:
Actually, I have an unlimited dataplan with Tele2 in Sweden, and I pay 7 £ for that (80kr) a month.
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That must be an old plan in that case, as the ones they do these days are fairly similar in both price and limitations to the ones I mentioned above (although Tele2 limits the speed to 64kbps rather than 120).
Most of Tele2's services are however advertised as "fri surf" with a footnote explaining that after X gigabytes speed is limited.

I reckon all of you affected by this change should cut'n'paste the letter found at the Uri below and send to T-Mobile UK.
http://cantankerous.co.uk/?p=499

Looks like exisiting customers will not be affected anymore:
http://support.t-mobile.co.uk/help-and-support/index?page=home&cat=DATA_CHANGES
T-Mobile Statement:
“On Monday 10 January 2011 we announced that, in line with the rest of the industry, T-Mobile would be reducing its Fair Use Policy for data usage to 500MB a month for all mobile phone customers. Following a further review of our policy, these changes will now be introduced from 1 February, to new and upgrading customers only - not existing customers.
There will be no change to the data packages for existing customers for the duration of their contract and we apologise for any confusion caused. The revision to the Fair Use Policy is designed to ensure an improved quality of service for all mobile internet users."
Lysa Hardy, VP, T-Mobile UK
Information on new data policy:
From 1 February 2011 new and upgrading customers will be given a monthly 500MB data allowance. There will be no charge for those customers exceeding that limit, and those who do will still be able to access important services such as email and web browsing, however file downloading and streaming services will be restricted. Customers will then have the option to increase their monthly Fair Use Policy to 1GB a month by purchasing a Mobile Broadband Booster. This will ensure an improved quality of service for all of our mobile internet users.
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Verizon data throttling

From Engadget:
"Nice timing, Verizon. Just as thousands -- possibly zillions -- of smartphone users are pondering the switch to Big Red for Apple's iPhone 4, the carrier has slipped in two critical policy changes that are apparently effective immediately. Tucked within loads of fine print in a new PDF that surfaced on the company's site, there's this:
"Verizon Wireless strives to provide customers the best experience when using our network, a shared resource among tens of millions of customers. To help achieve this, if you use an extraordinary amount of data and fall within the top 5 percent of Verizon Wireless data users we may reduce your data throughput speeds periodically for the remainder of your then current and immediately following billing cycle to ensure high quality network performance for other users at locations and times of peak demand. Our proactive management of the Verizon Wireless network is designed to ensure that the remaining 95 percent of data customers aren't negatively affected by the inordinate data consumption of just a few users."
To our knowledge, this is the first time that VZW has taken a notable position on throttling, and the link to its stance on net neutrality (as it applies to wireless, anyway) is fairly obvious. What's most interesting to us is the five percent figure; the top one or two percent isn't a huge amount, and there's a good chance that bandwidth abusers are up in that echelon. But we're guessing that quite a few business travelers will fall within this particular range, and given that VZW now holds the right to throttle data for your existing billing cycle and the next one... well, good luck gritting your teeth and lasting through that two-year contract. "

This is interesting that they do this just before the iphone is released to the public for their network. I think they may be worried.
I'm sure they will have some clause for those on business accounts or have the business unlimited data plans that they will be less restrictive on the data usage. This just sucks for the rest of us who are considered the general public.
Then again this brings up the argument of really why do you need to download or upload so much with your phone. If you really need that bandwidth wouldn't it be better just to get a 3/4G air card for a laptop? I've recently seen some cable companies offer wireless internet access which has no limits just like your home cable connection. I'm all for an open internet with no restrictions but I too understand the need to keep a network stable so that it can still provide reasonable service. Just because it takes 5 to 10 seconds longer for a page load doesn't mean the end of the world. We pay for a service that they provide and if they need to make some changes like optimizing the data on the network or punishing those that are abusing the network causing everyone else to suffer I don't see a problem. If the optimizing has no visible effect to you or I then what differences does it make? *I understand those that work with photography or what ever field you work in will want to upload or download uncompressed files but really should you be using your phone for that?*
This is just my opinion and I respect everyone's opinion as well. I will say that I don't see "I don't want to carry around a heavy laptop" as a valid excuse. If you are really physically deprived that you cannot carry anything but a cell phone then you have more serious problems to deal with.
This again is just my opinion and in no way wish to offend anyone personally.

boomertwo said:
This is interesting that they do this just before the iphone is released to the public for their network. I think they may be worried.
I'm sure they will have some clause for those on business accounts or have the business unlimited data plans that they will be less restrictive on the data usage. This just sucks for the rest of us who are considered the general public.
Then again this brings up the argument of really why do you need to download or upload so much with your phone. If you really need that bandwidth wouldn't it be better just to get a 3/4G air card for a laptop? I've recently seen some cable companies offer wireless internet access which has no limits just like your home cable connection. I'm all for an open internet with no restrictions but I too understand the need to keep a network stable so that it can still provide reasonable service. Just because it takes 5 to 10 seconds longer for a page load doesn't mean the end of the world. We pay for a service that they provide and if they need to make some changes like optimizing the data on the network or punishing those that are abusing the network causing everyone else to suffer I don't see a problem. If the optimizing has no visible effect to you or I then what differences does it make? *I understand those that work with photography or what ever field you work in will want to upload or download uncompressed files but really should you be using your phone for that?*
This is just my opinion and I respect everyone's opinion as well. I will say that I don't see "I don't want to carry around a heavy laptop" as a valid excuse. If you are really physically deprived that you cannot carry anything but a cell phone then you have more serious problems to deal with.
This again is just my opinion and in no way wish to offend anyone personally.
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I think that you are correct regarding needing so much data, in general. I do travel occasionally to northern Michigan, to my in-laws house. They live in a pretty remote area and do not have any access to wired broadband. So I use my DINC as a modem (tethering), and find that I am using about 2GB/week when tethered.

Say It Isn't So!!!
I'm FUBAR'd then. I tether for all my net access including XB Live and last month My Verizon said I used 40GB. Nooooooooooooo!!!!

Wait, isn't there a mod that disables data throttling? I could've sworn I flashed one a month or 2 ago from this very forum. I don't think root users need to be worried.

TokedUp said:
Wait, isn't there a mod that disables data throttling? I could've sworn I flashed one a month or 2 ago from this very forum. I don't think root users need to be worried.
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This sounds like they're throttling from the server, not the device. I could be wrong though. I'd be interested to find out if anyone knows for sure...

I haven't seen a leak yet, but il keep looking
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boomertwo said:
... I've recently seen some cable companies offer wireless internet access which has no limits just like your home cable connection. ...
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I think you might want to reconsider this statement Comcast ...As of October 1, 2008, data usage above 250 Gigabytes ("GB") per month per Comcast High-Speed Internet residential customer account is considered to be excessive. This could result in termination of your account.
http://customer.comcast.com/Pages/FAQViewer.aspx?seoid=Frequently-Asked-Questions-about-Excessive-Use#approach

AlanPototsky said:
I think you might want to reconsider this statement Comcast ...As of October 1, 2008, data usage above 250 Gigabytes ("GB") per month per Comcast High-Speed Internet residential customer account is considered to be excessive. This could result in termination of your account.
http://customer.comcast.com/Pages/FAQViewer.aspx?seoid=Frequently-Asked-Questions-about-Excessive-Use#approach
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Charter is doing teh same thing. My friend just got a certified letter from them saying he was using excessive amounts of data. His kids are downloading movies non stop.

AlanPototsky said:
I think you might want to reconsider this statement Comcast ...As of October 1, 2008, data usage above 250 Gigabytes ("GB") per month per Comcast High-Speed Internet residential customer account is considered to be excessive. This could result in termination of your account.
http://customer.comcast.com/Pages/FAQViewer.aspx?seoid=Frequently-Asked-Questions-about-Excessive-Use#approach
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I'm a VERY Heavy downloader and have never been chastised by Comcast for going over 250GB in a 30 day period.
Maybe just been lucky

AlanPototsky said:
I think you might want to reconsider this statement Comcast ...As of October 1, 2008, data usage above 250 Gigabytes ("GB") per month per Comcast High-Speed Internet residential customer account is considered to be excessive. This could result in termination of your account.
http://customer.comcast.com/Pages/FAQViewer.aspx?seoid=Frequently-Asked-Questions-about-Excessive-Use#approach
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Well I was mostly talking about Roadrunner as an example as I had received an email from them offering a usb air card which tied with my home connection basically. I didn't notice any fine print saying that there was any bandwidth limits.

Toked up, I believe Driphter as it as part of CM7.

But again, this throttle will happen at the network level, making that mod irrelevant. On a side note that mod removes google's throttle, which would put an icon in the status bar.

This is what confuses me. This statment makes 100% complete sense... And yet alot of people me included see undeniable speed gains with the mod. I actually see my speeds raise 5 or 6 times what they were. It makes zero sense.
PonsAsinorem said:
But again, this throttle will happen at the network level, making that mod irrelevant. On a side note that mod removes google's throttle, which would put an icon in the status bar.
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Let's keep in mind that this really has nothing to do with how much band width you actually use. There will always be a top 5 percent even if the heaviest users start to voluntarily cut back.

I believe the throttle only kicks in above a certain amount of usage. And its not guaranteed that it will even happen. It's just saying that it could happen. If you're that upset, write the corporate office and let them know. They're very good with feedback and will usually respond to your letter. But don't write if you're not the account holder. They could care less if you're some punk kid who cant play video games because they slowed down your speeds.

Get a load of this...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204653604577249080966030276.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
This something that is seriously making me think drop data or move to tmobile.
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AT&T is really trying to squeeze out revenue from every hole, they have pissed off their customers with the data plan fiasco and now they are going to piss off developers, both big and small.
As a hobbyist developer who wants to make app development a full time gig, i don't like this plan one bit.

Nexcellent said:
AT&T is really trying to squeeze out revenue from every hole, they have pissed off their customers with the data plan fiasco and now they are going to piss off developers, both big and small.
As a hobbyist developer who wants to make app development a full time gig, i don't like this plan one bit.
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I don't think you understand the plan. It would allow developers the option to pay for user data to "encourage in-app media purchases".

crachel said:
I don't think you understand the plan. It would allow developers the option to pay for user data to "encourage in-app media purchases".
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There are plenty of in-app purchasing API's and services out there for Android and iOS. I see no benefit to the developer at all with this plan.
AT&T should be the one to provide the data service - not the developer of the application, end of story.

Nexcellent said:
There are plenty of in-app purchasing API's and services out there for Android and iOS. I see no benefit to the developer at all with this plan.
AT&T should be the one to provide the data service - not the developer of the application, end of story.
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Then don't use it?
AT&T is simply providing an optional revenue stream for developers to take advantage of if they so choose. This is a way for app developers to make their cloud or streaming service a bit more attractive than a competitors by offsetting mobile data costs away from the user. Nobody is forcing anybody to do anything and there is no affect on end users except for potential reduction in data usage.

For instance,
Box.net and Dropbox are competitors.
Dropbox could say "hey, let's offer to pay for our user's traffic so it doesn't count against them when they upload pics, Box.net doesn't offer this"
Now, as a user, you might choose Dropbox over Box.net because you're always around your monthly quota.
Dropbox chose to do this, Box.net chose not to. The user chooses which benefits them most.
If you understand this, there's no way you can be so passionately against it.

Toll free data for some apps. I can't even remotely see why this would be a bad thing if some developer actually wants to pay for my data. I imagine it'll probably be reserved for people that say subscribe to a service with the app, like Spotify or something. Gives the developer another bragging feature, "free data" in a day where people worry about their data limits.

Like say... 1800 numbers?
And they're so proliferate that they needed 1888, and 1866.
Think of apps like spotify, how awesome would it be to have streaming apps not count towards your monthly data cap? I'm sure companies can get better data rates if they're buying a million gigs a month rather then the 2 you buy; and then the developer can keep the difference.... or pass it along to the subscriber.
it's a great business move for AT&T.

Welcome to AT&T, the most blatantly greed driven Wireless Company on Earth. And proud about it...

milan03 said:
Welcome to AT&T, the most blatantly greed driven Wireless Company on Earth. And proud about it...
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Maybe. But in this case it sounds like it potentially should be good for the customers. I assume like was mentioned earlier, the data may be sold in bulk to developers at a better rate, and the customers should get a better deal out of the entire thing by getting free data with a service they want.

Ravynmagi said:
Maybe. But in this case it sounds like it potentially should be good for the customers. I assume like was mentioned earlier, the data may be sold in bulk to developers at a better rate, and the customers should get a better deal out of the entire thing by getting free data with a service they want.
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Most definitely, that's not the case. But a very nice idea...

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If you understand this, there's no way you can be so passionately against it.
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I completely understand - my personal opinion is that the data that the consumer is using should be of no concern of the developer.

How would the data monitor on your phone know what apps were "free" data and what wasn't? Great idea in theory, but that great new feature in ICS with monitoring and alerting you of your data usage won't work properly. If Google would put a method to ignore data from an app, what would be there to prevent a rogue app from taking advantage of it to hide its own data usage?
This is all just a way for AT&T to make more money as I'm sure there will be customers that don't use close to all of their data if this would go into effect, and I doubt AT&T would call you and say "You don't need as much data as you're paying for, you could pay less". So you'll have two people paying for the same data transferred now, rather than just one.

drae52 said:
Think of apps like spotify, how awesome would it be to have streaming apps not count towards your monthly data cap? I'm sure companies can get better data rates if they're buying a million gigs a month rather then the 2 you buy; and then the developer can keep the difference.... or pass it along to the subscriber.
it's a great business move for AT&T.
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It's only a great business move if you think AT&T's business model revolves around selling bulk data. It isn't. Wireless data is a function of wireless spectrum. Since there is finite spectrum (particularly for AT&T who played a higher risk game than Verizon did and lost), there is a finite amount of data that can be pushed around. When voice was the killer app for phones, they had loads of spectrum and they used the excess spectrum to push unlimited data and whatever data-hungry application they could to get people to subscribe to a data plan. In such a scenario, the game really is to incentivize as much usage as possible to maximize assets (towers, backhaul, spectrum licenses) and entice even more people to buy data plans, increasing revenue.
Now that AT&T is facing a spectrum crunch, their game is to keep peak data usage roughly where it is now (at a asset maximizing level) while maximizing revenue per GB. Tiered data plans are not about network management. It's about milking the tech savy users who are most likely to be able and willing to pay for higher data plans. With such a business model, it becomes clear that this is a ploy to double dip by charging the sender and receiver. This is the same game AT&T was playing last year (when they complained about how they didn't/don't get a piece from YouTube or Netflix).
In short, it's about raising more revenue from existing assets. I.e. you pay the same rate you do now + devs now pay AT&T too. Maybe you get a nominal discount in the form of a few extra MB's per month, but you'll more than make up for it with higher app fees. Because you have to convert GB's to dollars (and I doubt they'll show you how much "free" data you even get) it's hard to tell whether or not you end up better off. Rest assured, they've done the math and set rates so that you won't.
If you want to know a bit of inside info (well, it's not that inside, they put it into their financial statements) wireless companies in the US have a roughly 30% gross margin on wireless. Some things, like individual plans, SMS packages, and international services are much higher, but they're dragged down by those $9.99 add-lines and (now, they used to be the cash cows) data plans. That's not the transport cost, which is almost zero, but the cost of infrastructure, capitalized spectrum and debt servicing) So if you want to do some napkin math with me here, imagine you use 1GB of wireless data while using Netflix. Netflix signs a contract for data sponsorship with AT&T. They get a bulk discount, but AT&T isn't going to take a loss, or even break even, so they're going to charge ~$8 per GB. Netflix, assuming they want to maintain their current margin, will thus have to charge you roughly $15.99 per month.

You know in the grand scheme of things, I love paying taxes. Don't get me wrong though. I don't mind paying taxes that kings of old would envy that allow us to enjoy the lifestyles we live. But i hate double dipping. And i hate when corporations play poor mouth and whine about not making enough profit. The high profile banker that left a literal tip on the receipt, "get a real job!" needs to take his own advice for instance. Blatant robbery if the article is taken at face value.
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[Q] Sprint's "Truly Unlimited Data"

Is it truly unlimited? I expect to exceed 1.5 Terrabytes on one of my lines in January and am curious if anyone has had Sprint complain in the past.

1.5 TERABYTES? WTF?!
Honestly, I use and abuse mine and have NEVER gotten that close. I would think they might go after you since obviously you are doing something dubious.

yea, holy ****. I hardly get past 200gigs a month on my cable at home. your wiener must be raw.

it's truly unlimited within reason, if you exceed a certain point they check on your usage, if it's tethering and you don't pay for tethering they screw you
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Slingbox would not be considered dubious to me. I own the box, downloaded and paid for the android app, and plan to keep it running for 29 days. Even @ a meager 500kbps, my math gets to 1.5 TB+.
So the question remains, is there any reason why Sprint would have grounds to complain?

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Slingbox would not be considered dubious to me. I own the box, downloaded and paid for the android app, and plan to keep it running for 29 days. Even @ a meager 500kbps, my math gets to 1.5 TB+.
So the question remains, is there any reason why Sprint would have grounds to complain?
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"Specific Terms & Restrictions On Using Data Services
In addition to the rules for using all of our other Services, unless we identify the Service or Device that you have selected as specifically intended for that purpose (for example, wireless routers, Data Link, etc.), you can't use our data Services: (1) with server devices or host computer applications or other systems that drive continuous, heavy traffic or data sessions; (2) as a substitute or backup for private lines or frame relay connections; or (3) for any other unintended use as we determine in our sole discretion. We reserve the right to limit, suspend, or constrain any heavy, continuous data usage that adversely impacts our networks performances or hinders access to our networks. If your Services include web or data access, you also can't use your Device as a modem for computers or other equipment, unless we identify the Service or Device you have selected as specifically intended for that purpose (for example, with "phone as modem" plans, Sprint Mobile Broadband card plans, wireless router plans, etc.)."
http://shop2.sprint.com/en/legal/legal_terms_privacy_popup.shtml

http://www.timehat.com/sprint-truly-unlimited-data-really/
Great question. Found an article which takes a look at this (from March 2012)
All the comments I've read seem to indicate the Sprint PoPo comes calling when you're using it too much while roaming. "Off-network" seems to be the catch here. On Sprint's network, I haven't read anything which states that is capped like the roaming is capped.
From link in above post:
Prohibited Network Uses. To ensure the activities of some users do not impair the ability of our customers to have access to reliable services provided at reasonable costs, you may not use our services in a manner that is unlawful, infringes on intellectual property rights, or harms or unduly interferes with the use of Sprint's network or systems. Sprint reserves the right, without notice or limitation, to limit data throughput speeds or quantities or to deny, terminate, end, modify, disconnect, or suspend service if an individual engages in any of the prohibited voice or data uses detailed below or if Sprint, in its sole discretion, determines action is necessary to protect its wireless networks from harm or degradation. Examples of prohibited voice uses: Sprint voice services are provided solely for live dialogue between, and initiated by, individuals for personal use and as otherwise described in this policy. Sprint services may not be used for any other purposes, including, but not limited to: monitoring services, transmission of broadcasts, transmission of recorded material, telemarketing, autodialed calls, other commercial uses, or other connections that do not consist of uninterrupted live dialogue between individuals. Examples of prohibited data uses: Sprint data services are provided solely for purposes of web surfing, sending and receiving email, photographs and other similar messaging activities, and the non-continuous streaming of videos, downloading of files or on line gaming. Our data services may not be used: (i) to generate excessive amounts of Internet traffic through the continuous, unattended streaming, downloading or uploading of videos or other files or to operate hosting services including, but not limited to, web or gaming hosting; (ii) to maintain continuous active network connections to the Internet such as through a web camera or machine-to-machine connections that do not involve active participation by a person; (iii) to disrupt email use by others using automated or manual routines, including, but not limited to "auto-responders" or cancel bots or other similar routines; (iv) to transmit or facilitate any unsolicited or unauthorized advertising, telemarketing, promotional materials, "junk mail", unsolicited commercial or bulk email, or fax; (v) for activities adversely affecting the ability of other people or systems to use either Sprint's wireless services or other parties' Internet-based resources, including, but not limited to, "denial of service" (DoS) attacks against another network host or individual user; (vi) for an activity that connects any device to Personal Computers (including without limitation, laptops), or other equipment for the purpose of transmitting wireless data over the network (unless customer is using a plan designated for such usage); or (vi) for any other reason that, in our sole discretion violates our policy of providing service for individual use. Unlimited Use Plans. If you subscribe to rate plans, services or features that are described as unlimited, you should be aware that such "unlimited" plans are subject to these Sprint Prohibited Network Uses.
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Thank you 00mred00,
I think that clears it up for me. They could terminate the service or restrict service but not charge me more.

Thanks lenny....I read similar information where the data roaming had a soft cap (300 mb) but no data restriction on their network. I have also seen references to external devices being a problem. If the worst that happens is they terminate the line, looks like I'm goo to go and try to get to 1.5 TB.

There's also the fact that you'll cause a huge degradation in service to other users on the same site/sector as you, especially if you're on 3G. Even using ~20 GB a month on 3G is enough to negatively affect other users. How do you not have some kind of WiFi offload if you're using over a terabyte of data?

I have plenty of wifi available but for the $350 termination fee I am paying I am going to push the limits intentionally. I am in a small war with Sprint and before I fork over the $350, I'm going to see how much data I can pull. Childish....Absolutely! Make me feel better.....Absolutely!

I have 5 lines we usually avg 200-250gb a month between them, and have for years. Sprint has never said a thing about our usage. Even when I directly asked if my usage was excessive they told me no, and if it was I would receive a warning letter or a courtesy call. However I use like 3mb a month roaming very few minutes to landlines and 2 of my lines are grandfathered on unlimited tethering plans for work. Of course I'm part of a buisness account that has a total of over 25k employees and their families linked so I'm sure sprint prefers our buisness over the data usage we all use for work.
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I average 40 - 50gb of data a month solo but I am also an employee sooo.. I cannot really chime in.
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JAREDR said:
yea, holy ****. I hardly get past 200gigs a month on my cable at home. your wiener must be raw.
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You win the internets!!!!!!!!!
swyped all these spelling errors from my galaxy note 2

JAREDR said:
yea, holy ****. I hardly get past 200gigs a month on my cable at home. your wiener must be raw.
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Funniest post I have ever seen on xda. Putting this in my SIG soon lol
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ntron1 said:
I have plenty of wifi available but for the $350 termination fee I am paying I am going to push the limits intentionally. I am in a small war with Sprint and before I fork over the $350, I'm going to see how much data I can pull. Childish....Absolutely! Make me feel better.....Absolutely!
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So, because you're unhappy with Sprint's service-
Because you signed a contract in the last 6 months that you apparently don't want, and don't agree to the ETFs... that you agreed to-
Because you're unwilling to talk with Sprint representatives and possibly work something out...
You'd rather make life miserable for other people on Sprint in your area? You'd rather affect other customers more than Sprint as a whole?
Definitely childish. And foolish.

koiulpoi said:
So, because you're unhappy with Sprint's service-
Because you signed a contract in the last 6 months that you apparently don't want, and don't agree to the ETFs... that you agreed to-
Because you're unwilling to talk with Sprint representatives and possibly work something out...
You'd rather make life miserable for other people on Sprint in your area? You'd rather affect other customers more than Sprint as a whole?
Definitely childish. And foolish.
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LOL!
I Paid the $350 ETF (Actually my company pays for all my Mobile Phone items and costs). My monthly bill is $1,000+ so the money is never an issue. The idea emanated from my knowledge that this line would be terminated on January 26th. I am now @ 24 hours and 8 GB.
The question was is their data truly unlimited and if you are not interested in the answer than there is no need to keep this thread open.
Mod's feel free to close this thread. It appears to be degrading quickly.
Have a Great Day!

So that's why the sprint network is so slow...

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P2P Sharers, Tetherers Beware! T Mobile Is Taking Action.

It's all here, folks: http://androidandme.com/2014/08/new...ed-data-users-who-engage-in-p2p-file-sharing/
UPDATE: Here is more clarfied info related to yesterday's news: http://www.phonearena.com/news/T-Mobile-clarifies-plans-to-throttle-unlimited-customers_id59381
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Thank god I have WiFi like everyplace I go.lol

I hope they don't mind occasional p2p sharing. I do use a lot of data, but don't really torrent often at all.

I'm sure this is to target out people who think they are funny when they use 300GB - 1TB in a month. They say "well unlimited means unlimited" with a complete disregard for the TOS in regards to tethering, torrenting etc.

partylikeaninjastar said:
I hope they don't mind occasional p2p sharing. I do use a lot of data, but don't really torrent often at all.
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Same boat; sometimes it's just convenient to grab a torrent over the network. Hopefully they do it right and crack down more on abusers than users. Or some kind of technique can be developed as a work-around. This is a slippery slope, I can see the endgame here being higher costs for plans allowing the "privilege" to stream content and connect p2p, while lower tiered plans only allow for web browsing mms/sms. Short term, we could be throttled back essentially at their discretion for what they're stating in their memo. Which, incidentally, covers more than just torrents and hotspots
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I assume you can just use a VPN to get around it. I have unlimited but I'd almost never torrent on 4G, not to mention when I ever do its straight to a cloud based torrent capturing service.

BACARDILIMON said:
Thank god I have WiFi like everyplace I go.lol
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Lol I got a letter from cable company for downoading 2 movies with torrents

raw2000j said:
Lol I got a letter from cable company for downoading 2 movies with torrents
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What............... Wtf. Who is our cable company

BACARDILIMON said:
What............... Wtf. Who is our cable company
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Verizon fios

raw2000j said:
Verizon fios
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Say no more

I've only gotten notices from Comcast when I've shared things I've downloaded. Never for just downloading.

So if I use a lot of data by using netflix, red box I alright correct? Thanks
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partylikeaninjastar said:
I've only gotten notices from Comcast when I've shared things I've downloaded. Never for just downloading.
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If you torrent you share as you download. Unless you use one of the Leacher torrent programs but finding one that actually works is hard. You probably have just been lucky and haven't connected to a IP address that reports on any IP it connects with.

xda23 said:
So if I use a lot of data by using netflix, red box I alright correct? Thanks
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Yes, you are fine. This Tmo notice is for those are use their mobile connection as an always on, live data usage connection that is constantly saturating the connection with the tower/antenna, such as torrenting, webcasting or such.
But as Opensystem said, I think (and hope) this is to crackdown on the abusers and not users of their mobile connections. I've seen online others who are using their Tmo phone as a hotspot for ALL their internet use, including at home with multiple wifi connections working off of one device, because their LTE connection is solid and faster than their own DSL or cable connection and they cancelled that service and live off their Tmo LTE now.

ThePagel said:
If you torrent you share as you download. Unless you use one of the Leacher torrent programs but finding one that actually works is hard. You probably have just been lucky and haven't connected to a IP address that reports on any IP it connects with.
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You should never use a public torrent site unless you have to, and if you do, try not to share. Private trackers are more secure, but even then, nothing is completely secure. Even VPN providers have to abide by the laws of the country they reside in or risk being shut down.
I think T-Mobile is being very lenient here by only throttling. There's no mention of service suspension or termination if the user keeps doing this.
I am ok with this policy. T-Mobile should not be used as an ISP replacement (nor should any mobile carrier), that is why data tethering plans have caps. The unlimited plans are offered with the assumption that most users with a phone will not use more than a certain amount a month on average. The excessive uses must be dealt with accordingly, spectrum is not cheap, and if it's laid out in the Terms and Conditions, one cannot whine when the rules are finally enforced.
I have tethered outside of my tethering cap, but I use about 10-12 GB at the most (total between phone and hotspot). I'm technically still breaking the T&C, so if I end up being throttled when I exceed my tethering allowance, I won't be upset.

havanahjoe said:
You should never use a public torrent site unless you have to, and if you do, try not to share. Private trackers are more secure, but even then, nothing is completely secure. Even VPN providers have to abide by the laws of the country they reside in or risk being shut down.
I think T-Mobile is being very lenient here by only throttling. There's no mention of service suspension or termination if the user keeps doing this.
I am ok with this policy. T-Mobile should not be used as an ISP replacement (nor should any mobile carrier), that is why data tethering plans have caps. The unlimited plans are offered with the assumption that most users with a phone will not use more than a certain amount a month on average. The excessive uses must be dealt with accordingly, spectrum is not cheap, and if it's laid out in the Terms and Conditions, one cannot whine when the rules are finally enforced.
I have tethered outside of my tethering cap, but I use about 10-12 GB at the most (total between phone and hotspot). I'm technically still breaking the T&C, so if I end up being throttled when I exceed my tethering allowance, I won't be upset.
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Private trackers are no more secure than public that's kind of like thinking police need to say they are cops if you ask them. And you can find Vpns that completely sheild you , you just need to find the ones that don't keep logs. You will never get cought in the act and that's the only way to catch a no log VPN user. Its hard to find the no log vpns but private internet access is one of them at least for now. Surprisingly the USA is one of the few country's that do not mandate logs. Best tip you can get is to stay away from the huge VPN providers like hide my ass because they will log. Sadly private internet access is getting to be one of the huge providers and will probably have the capital to start saving logs soon.

You know in reality I'm sure that someone will figure out a work around just like they always seem to do.
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ThePagel said:
Private trackers are no more secure than public that's kind of like thinking police need to say they are cops if you ask them. And you can find Vpns that completely sheild you , you just need to find the ones that don't keep logs. You will never get cought in the act and that's the only way to catch a no log VPN user. Its hard to find the no log vpns but private internet access is one of them at least for now. Surprisingly the USA is one of the few country's that do not mandate logs. Best tip you can get is to stay away from the huge VPN providers like hide my ass because they will log. Sadly private internet access is getting to be one of the huge providers and will probably have the capital to start saving logs soon.
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Nothing is more secure than not downloading any illegal torrents. There will be risk when downloading them, no matter how much you try to hide, some things are riskier than others.

havanahjoe said:
Nothing is more secure than not downloading any illegal torrents. There will be risk when downloading them, no matter how much you try to hide, some things are riskier than others.
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Truth

Here is the new, clarified info from Tmo: http://www.phonearena.com/news/T-Mobile-clarifies-plans-to-throttle-unlimited-customers_id59381
I will update the OP accordingly.
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