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Verizon data throttling

From Engadget:
"Nice timing, Verizon. Just as thousands -- possibly zillions -- of smartphone users are pondering the switch to Big Red for Apple's iPhone 4, the carrier has slipped in two critical policy changes that are apparently effective immediately. Tucked within loads of fine print in a new PDF that surfaced on the company's site, there's this:
"Verizon Wireless strives to provide customers the best experience when using our network, a shared resource among tens of millions of customers. To help achieve this, if you use an extraordinary amount of data and fall within the top 5 percent of Verizon Wireless data users we may reduce your data throughput speeds periodically for the remainder of your then current and immediately following billing cycle to ensure high quality network performance for other users at locations and times of peak demand. Our proactive management of the Verizon Wireless network is designed to ensure that the remaining 95 percent of data customers aren't negatively affected by the inordinate data consumption of just a few users."
To our knowledge, this is the first time that VZW has taken a notable position on throttling, and the link to its stance on net neutrality (as it applies to wireless, anyway) is fairly obvious. What's most interesting to us is the five percent figure; the top one or two percent isn't a huge amount, and there's a good chance that bandwidth abusers are up in that echelon. But we're guessing that quite a few business travelers will fall within this particular range, and given that VZW now holds the right to throttle data for your existing billing cycle and the next one... well, good luck gritting your teeth and lasting through that two-year contract. "

This is interesting that they do this just before the iphone is released to the public for their network. I think they may be worried.
I'm sure they will have some clause for those on business accounts or have the business unlimited data plans that they will be less restrictive on the data usage. This just sucks for the rest of us who are considered the general public.
Then again this brings up the argument of really why do you need to download or upload so much with your phone. If you really need that bandwidth wouldn't it be better just to get a 3/4G air card for a laptop? I've recently seen some cable companies offer wireless internet access which has no limits just like your home cable connection. I'm all for an open internet with no restrictions but I too understand the need to keep a network stable so that it can still provide reasonable service. Just because it takes 5 to 10 seconds longer for a page load doesn't mean the end of the world. We pay for a service that they provide and if they need to make some changes like optimizing the data on the network or punishing those that are abusing the network causing everyone else to suffer I don't see a problem. If the optimizing has no visible effect to you or I then what differences does it make? *I understand those that work with photography or what ever field you work in will want to upload or download uncompressed files but really should you be using your phone for that?*
This is just my opinion and I respect everyone's opinion as well. I will say that I don't see "I don't want to carry around a heavy laptop" as a valid excuse. If you are really physically deprived that you cannot carry anything but a cell phone then you have more serious problems to deal with.
This again is just my opinion and in no way wish to offend anyone personally.

boomertwo said:
This is interesting that they do this just before the iphone is released to the public for their network. I think they may be worried.
I'm sure they will have some clause for those on business accounts or have the business unlimited data plans that they will be less restrictive on the data usage. This just sucks for the rest of us who are considered the general public.
Then again this brings up the argument of really why do you need to download or upload so much with your phone. If you really need that bandwidth wouldn't it be better just to get a 3/4G air card for a laptop? I've recently seen some cable companies offer wireless internet access which has no limits just like your home cable connection. I'm all for an open internet with no restrictions but I too understand the need to keep a network stable so that it can still provide reasonable service. Just because it takes 5 to 10 seconds longer for a page load doesn't mean the end of the world. We pay for a service that they provide and if they need to make some changes like optimizing the data on the network or punishing those that are abusing the network causing everyone else to suffer I don't see a problem. If the optimizing has no visible effect to you or I then what differences does it make? *I understand those that work with photography or what ever field you work in will want to upload or download uncompressed files but really should you be using your phone for that?*
This is just my opinion and I respect everyone's opinion as well. I will say that I don't see "I don't want to carry around a heavy laptop" as a valid excuse. If you are really physically deprived that you cannot carry anything but a cell phone then you have more serious problems to deal with.
This again is just my opinion and in no way wish to offend anyone personally.
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I think that you are correct regarding needing so much data, in general. I do travel occasionally to northern Michigan, to my in-laws house. They live in a pretty remote area and do not have any access to wired broadband. So I use my DINC as a modem (tethering), and find that I am using about 2GB/week when tethered.

Say It Isn't So!!!
I'm FUBAR'd then. I tether for all my net access including XB Live and last month My Verizon said I used 40GB. Nooooooooooooo!!!!

Wait, isn't there a mod that disables data throttling? I could've sworn I flashed one a month or 2 ago from this very forum. I don't think root users need to be worried.

TokedUp said:
Wait, isn't there a mod that disables data throttling? I could've sworn I flashed one a month or 2 ago from this very forum. I don't think root users need to be worried.
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This sounds like they're throttling from the server, not the device. I could be wrong though. I'd be interested to find out if anyone knows for sure...

I haven't seen a leak yet, but il keep looking
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boomertwo said:
... I've recently seen some cable companies offer wireless internet access which has no limits just like your home cable connection. ...
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I think you might want to reconsider this statement Comcast ...As of October 1, 2008, data usage above 250 Gigabytes ("GB") per month per Comcast High-Speed Internet residential customer account is considered to be excessive. This could result in termination of your account.
http://customer.comcast.com/Pages/FAQViewer.aspx?seoid=Frequently-Asked-Questions-about-Excessive-Use#approach

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I think you might want to reconsider this statement Comcast ...As of October 1, 2008, data usage above 250 Gigabytes ("GB") per month per Comcast High-Speed Internet residential customer account is considered to be excessive. This could result in termination of your account.
http://customer.comcast.com/Pages/FAQViewer.aspx?seoid=Frequently-Asked-Questions-about-Excessive-Use#approach
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Charter is doing teh same thing. My friend just got a certified letter from them saying he was using excessive amounts of data. His kids are downloading movies non stop.

AlanPototsky said:
I think you might want to reconsider this statement Comcast ...As of October 1, 2008, data usage above 250 Gigabytes ("GB") per month per Comcast High-Speed Internet residential customer account is considered to be excessive. This could result in termination of your account.
http://customer.comcast.com/Pages/FAQViewer.aspx?seoid=Frequently-Asked-Questions-about-Excessive-Use#approach
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I'm a VERY Heavy downloader and have never been chastised by Comcast for going over 250GB in a 30 day period.
Maybe just been lucky

AlanPototsky said:
I think you might want to reconsider this statement Comcast ...As of October 1, 2008, data usage above 250 Gigabytes ("GB") per month per Comcast High-Speed Internet residential customer account is considered to be excessive. This could result in termination of your account.
http://customer.comcast.com/Pages/FAQViewer.aspx?seoid=Frequently-Asked-Questions-about-Excessive-Use#approach
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Well I was mostly talking about Roadrunner as an example as I had received an email from them offering a usb air card which tied with my home connection basically. I didn't notice any fine print saying that there was any bandwidth limits.

Toked up, I believe Driphter as it as part of CM7.

But again, this throttle will happen at the network level, making that mod irrelevant. On a side note that mod removes google's throttle, which would put an icon in the status bar.

This is what confuses me. This statment makes 100% complete sense... And yet alot of people me included see undeniable speed gains with the mod. I actually see my speeds raise 5 or 6 times what they were. It makes zero sense.
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But again, this throttle will happen at the network level, making that mod irrelevant. On a side note that mod removes google's throttle, which would put an icon in the status bar.
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Let's keep in mind that this really has nothing to do with how much band width you actually use. There will always be a top 5 percent even if the heaviest users start to voluntarily cut back.

I believe the throttle only kicks in above a certain amount of usage. And its not guaranteed that it will even happen. It's just saying that it could happen. If you're that upset, write the corporate office and let them know. They're very good with feedback and will usually respond to your letter. But don't write if you're not the account holder. They could care less if you're some punk kid who cant play video games because they slowed down your speeds.

Is it our fault??

Ive been tossing around a idea in my head alot if people complain about sprints bad data speeds but i wonder is it our fault? Are we taking advantage of sprint with the free tethering clogging up data in top of the unlimited data we use but not paying causing sprint to lose money? im not tryna talk **** on anyone who tethers free cuz i do it to im just wondering are we hurting ourselves rather than helping?
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Excessive use is a breach of contract. Some people have said they have had their service canceled because of high data usage.
And yes it is a drain on everyone else using that tower, and we all suffer as a result.

I wouldn't say it's our fault. It's Sprints fault for not properly upgrading the towers to accommodate for all the new subscribers.
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rruss said:
Ive been tossing around a idea in my head alot if people complain about sprints bad data speeds but i wonder is it our fault? Are we taking advantage of sprint with the free tethering clogging up data in top of the unlimited data we use but not paying causing sprint to lose money? im not tryna talk **** on anyone who tethers free cuz i do it to im just wondering are we hurting ourselves rather than helping?
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It's Sprint's fault for not upgrading their network much [if at all] since 2003.
It's Sprint's fault for not estimating the data demands over their customers over the last two years.
But of course it isn't helpful when people use 60 GB of data a month.

Not all of us tether free even when rooted. This is Sprints fault. They know the ammount of data devices they sell and they should adjust their networks accordingly
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Our fault? No fncking way. This is Sprint's fault. We might seem like a huge community on XDA...our phone and every other Sprint model...and there are an impressive number of accounts here. But, in the big picture, we are a drop in the bucket....it would take 25-50 of us on every tower tethering constantly streaming video or downloading torrents 100% of the time, saturating the line, with a perfect signal in line-of-sight of the tower for them to blame us for their network sucking. This is technology. It is constantly marching forward. Wireless is the new broadband. Period. Us geeks knew this years ago, even when it seemed absurd and the technology was an immeasurable amount of years away. Then it wasn't just close, it was here...and they did nothing...
...in fact...We are at the cutting edge, we are pushing this technology. We should be the benchmark by which the capability of their network is judged. If they scale their network according to if their entire network was composed of users only like us with our data usage they wouldn't have these problems...instead they over-sell and under-supply their network banking on people under utilizing the bandwidth they were promised. That's the most important cornerstone of any type of data connection business....we can't possible use it all up 100% of the time, right? They should scale the network to fit *our* needs, to play it safe.
...but then they would just sit on their asses that much longer into the next generation. Short term profits over long term viability...that's the new way. If they were to put that kind of investment into their network investors would be fncking furious because it would cost capital and the stock would sink momentarily once those expenditures were announced.
OUR fault? Hardly. It is their fault. Who? The engineers? The techs? No, they know better and they wouldn't have done this. The sales people? They don't typically even know better. The CSR's on the phone? They don't even care.... it's the god damned CFO and CEO and the nature of the market that is to blame. Forest for the trees, cut off the nose to spite the face, penny wise pound foolish, etc etc etc.
Our fault?
Lol, no.

daneurysm said:
Our fault? No fncking way. This is Sprint's fault. We might seem like a huge community on XDA...our phone and every other Sprint model...and there are an impressive number of accounts here. But, in the big picture, we are a drop in the bucket....it would take 25-50 of us on every tower tethering constantly streaming video or downloading torrents 100% of the time, saturating the line, with a perfect signal in line-of-sight of the tower for them to blame us for their network sucking. This is technology. It is constantly marching forward. Wireless is the new broadband. Period. Us geeks knew this years ago, even when it seemed absurd and the technology was an immeasurable amount of years away. Then it wasn't just close, it was here...and they did nothing...
...in fact...We are at the cutting edge, we are pushing this technology. We should be the benchmark by which the capability of their network is judged. If they scale their network according to if their entire network was composed of users only like us with our data usage they wouldn't have these problems...instead they over-sell and under-supply their network banking on people under utilizing the bandwidth they were promised. That's the most important cornerstone of any type of data connection business....we can't possible use it all up 100% of the time, right? They should scale the network to fit *our* needs, to play it safe.
...but then they would just sit on their asses that much longer into the next generation. Short term profits over long term viability...that's the new way. If they were to put that kind of investment into their network investors would be fncking furious because it would cost capital and the stock would sink momentarily once those expenditures were announced.
OUR fault? Hardly. It is their fault. Who? The engineers? The techs? No, they know better and they wouldn't have done this. The sales people? They don't typically even know better. The CSR's on the phone? They don't even care.... it's the god damned CFO and CEO and the nature of the market that is to blame. Forest for the trees, cut off the nose to spite the face, penny wise pound foolish, etc etc etc.
Our fault?
Lol, no.
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Lol damn i feel like u starting a revolution
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phatmanxxl said:
Excessive use is a breach of contract. Some people have said they have had their service canceled because of high data usage.
And yes it is a drain on everyone else using that tower, and we all suffer as a result.
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Mine was canceled due to high data usage while tethering.
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Yes, it's the tetherers' fault. They're sucking up bandwidth from an already overburdened network.
Yes it's Sprint's fault. They've allowed their network to be overburdened when they should have been upgrading.
Yes it's the Apple fanbois' fault. They exist...

It's both parties fault. Those that put the blame only on Sprint are being stupid.
Yes, tethering uses a ton of bandwidth but that's not the only offender here. Torrents and streaming media are another huge burden. They were when I was on T Mobile also and even with me using their 21.1Mbps network it still slowed down often. Some people are just selfish and don't care that their data usage IS effecting others. Honestly it's more your fault than it is Sprint's.
You knew the network capabilities.
You knew how many people were on the network.
You knew the coverage area.
You knew how many people use smartphones.
You knew how much of a burden they are on any network.
You knew WiMax wasn't very good.
You went to the store and got the phone.
You upgraded for another 2 year contract.
You tethered.
You downloaded torrents.
You stream large amounts of media.
You rooted and ILLEGALLY used the wifi hotspot feature.
But of course it's all Sprints fault, right? Not at all your fault?
Get brains or GTFO

KCRic said:
It's both parties fault. Those that put the blame only on Sprint are being stupid.
Yes, tethering uses a ton of bandwidth but that's not the only offender here. Torrents and streaming media are another huge burden. They were when I was on T Mobile also and even with me using their 21.1Mbps network it still slowed down often. Some people are just selfish and don't care that their data usage IS effecting others. Honestly it's more your fault than it is Sprint's.
You knew the network capabilities.
You knew how many people were on the network.
You knew the coverage area.
You knew how many people use smartphones.
You knew how much of a burden they are on any network.
You knew WiMax wasn't very good.
You went to the store and got the phone.
You upgraded for another 2 year contract.
You tethered.
You downloaded torrents.
You stream large amounts of media.
You rooted and ILLEGALLY used the wifi hotspot feature.
But of course it's all Sprints fault, right? Not at all your fault?
Get brains or GTFO
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Is it THAT serious man?

KCRic said:
But of course it's all Sprints fault, right? Not at all your fault?
Get brains or GTFO
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Sprint supplies me with an unlimited connection. They told me so. They say that to millions of people every hour of every day. Whether that is via tethering or not is completely irrelevant... I can saturate the line, easily, without tethering using features that they proudly advertise....
... And the fact that a service provider cannot provide me with a service that they not only advertise as their crown jewel but I also pay for specifically is somehow my fault!?
If all of the "illegal" tethering were to stop right this second I'd wager it wouldn't make a bit of noticeable difference.
If you cannot provide a service why sell it?
Our fault? No..Sprint's fault.
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blestsol said:
Is it THAT serious man?
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+1 on that... dont know about anyone else but I have been on Sprint for a while now and since my TP/Diamond days and well before that the network has been slow. Also in my area I am sure not every tower I am hitting has a large mass of people doing tethering and downloading torrents but I can tell you that my data speeds stay consistently slow. There are probably many factors here that contribute to our slow speeds so lets not finger point too much guys..
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daneurysm said:
If all of the "illegal" tethering were to stop right this second I'd wager it wouldn't make a bit of noticeable difference.
If you cannot provide a service why sell it?
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I think he may have a point there...

I pay for Hotspot and I also grabbed Wifi Tether 3.1 beta 6 and 3.1 beta 99. I can't believe they are going to cap Hotspot! $30 a month. I don't use torrents but I will probably download ROMs on the Wifi Tether to watch that cap. What will cap be on Hotspot and effective when?
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daneurysm said:
Sprint supplies me with an unlimited connection. They told me so. They say that to millions of people every hour of every day. Whether that is via tethering or not is completely irrelevant... I can saturate the line, easily, without tethering using features that they proudly advertise....
... And the fact that a service provider cannot provide me with a service that they not only advertise as their crown jewel but I also pay for specifically is somehow my fault!?
If all of the "illegal" tethering were to stop right this second I'd wager it wouldn't make a bit of noticeable difference.
If you cannot provide a service why sell it?
Our fault? No..Sprint's fault.
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Restrictions apply
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It's true Restrictions do apply there are people however that do abuse the system though as well. In all honesty what's the appeal of doing torrents on a phone via a tethered connection? If you need something so bad use your computer at home I'm pretty sure the local internet provider is faster then Sprint's network.
with my first month on sprint now behind me I used less then 2 gig of data that's between watching a few video's on you tube and downloading market apps as well as just surfing the net on the phone while I'm on break. granted it might of been more but when I'm home I have a computer I can do all of those things on so why clog up the lines seriously.
I do agree a little though that even if Tethered apps went away I don't see it really affecting things much. But at least where I'm at I'm happy with the service and it's better then what I had with T-Mobile and it was great for school atleast till today (damn school jacking **** up so now ALL Sprint users are in the same boat as me LOS while at school for some dumb reason.)

KCRic said:
It's both parties fault. Those that put the blame only on Sprint are being stupid.
Yes, tethering uses a ton of bandwidth but that's not the only offender here. Torrents and streaming media are another huge burden. They were when I was on T Mobile also and even with me using their 21.1Mbps network it still slowed down often. Some people are just selfish and don't care that their data usage IS effecting others. Honestly it's more your fault than it is Sprint's.
You knew the network capabilities.
You knew how many people were on the network.
You knew the coverage area.
You knew how many people use smartphones.
You knew how much of a burden they are on any network.
You knew WiMax wasn't very good.
You went to the store and got the phone.
You upgraded for another 2 year contract.
You tethered.
You downloaded torrents.
You stream large amounts of media.
You rooted and ILLEGALLY used the wifi hotspot feature.
But of course it's all Sprints fault, right? Not at all your fault?
Get brains or GTFO
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This guys a fricken toolbox. Its very obvious even to sprint there networks are so heavily saturated because they didn't do upgrades fast enough. They were sent backpeddling with wimax and are scrambling and giving it a 110% right now supposedly with there new program to hit every tower in America with upgrades because they haven't been in the ball. Wait a bit and it should all be getting upgraded. Its lame when u arnt the Guy using TONS of bandwidth on your PC on torrents and you go to download your favorite Tom update and its maxing at .2Mb/sec but its all screwed up anyway. It will get better. Honestly I'm happy as can be right now

Some folks forget that Sprint whores out...sorry...wholesales out their network to every Tom **** and Harry MVNO and their mother.
Who's the newest company to announce plans to wholesale from Sprint? Republic Wireless...
So we already have Sprint, VMobile, Boost, Clear, Comcast, TimeWarner...e.t.c, and yet some want to hypothesize that it is a paying Sprint customers fault?
Let's dig a bit further...you advertize unlimited data, and I have the boriest night shift job in the world but I have this giganticus Android phone with a glorious app called Netflix, hallelujah, no more boredom at work.
One doesn't have to tether only to suck data. I could Netflix for hours a day (re: boring night job) and not be in violation of their ToS regarding tethering. Only if 3g was worth using...so slow.
As the last bastion in unlimited data, Sprint has to beef up their network and keep that niche carved up good, and we have to also cherish it too else it's easy for Sprint to start capping data (which is definitely coming).
Will I stop tethering? No. Why? Because between phone data usage AND the occasional tethering, I don't use up to 1gb (because 3g has become so slow I can't even use it for data intensive stuff like YouTube or even the afformentioned Netflix. At least 4g is decent when it works)
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If "Unlimited" isn't actually unlimited then they should use a more precise word...oh...I dunno...like limited. The word exists and it means what they mean when they say the word that has the opposite meaning. Seems a little deceptive to me.
I have asked about this "Unlimited" with CSRs at my local Sprint store, my local Sprint corporate store, in online chat, over the phone etc etc etc, and regardless of what the fine print might say every single one of them over the past 2 years has told me that "Unlimited" means unlimited, without limit. I don't know, perhaps EVERYONE in the chain of command and EVERYONE being heavily advertised to and EVERYONE who payed for an "Unlimited" plan might--just might--be a little confused as to why the word "Unlimited" is being used when there are far more fitting and far less confusing words to use.
Unlimited meaning without limit, synonymous with "infinite supply of." How a company would stake their ENTIRE survival on a typo (and the iPhone) eludes me.
I have (without tethering at all) pulled 10-20gb in a month before, sometimes higher. I never heard a word. Is that wrong of me? No. I was sold "Unlimited data" I pay for "Unlimited data" and I think it is not unreasonable to use unlimited data in an unlimited fashion.
Sure, there might be some twaddle in the contract about using so much data that you degrade the experience for other users of the network being against the rules...but...for the past 6-8 months it has been nigh on impossible for me to get speeds (or consistent connections) that allow me to get the service that I paid for let alone enough of it that I could ruin anything for anyone else....
...I'm pretty sure that's where the jackasses that say the WE "ruined it" come in to play.
This is Sprint's fault and no restrictions apply to that statement.

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If "Unlimited" isn't actually unlimited then they should use a more precise word...oh...I dunno...like limited. The word exists and it means what they mean when they say the word that has the opposite meaning. Seems a little deceptive to me.
I have asked about this "Unlimited" with CSRs at my local Sprint store, my local Sprint corporate store, in online chat, over the phone etc etc etc, and regardless of what the fine print might say every single one of them over the past 2 years has told me that "Unlimited" means unlimited, without limit. I don't know, perhaps EVERYONE in the chain of command and EVERYONE being heavily advertised to and EVERYONE who payed for an "Unlimited" plan might--just might--be a little confused as to why the word "Unlimited" is being used when there are far more fitting and far less confusing words to use.
Unlimited meaning without limit, synonymous with "infinite supply of." How a company would stake their ENTIRE survival on a typo (and the iPhone) eludes me.
I have (without tethering at all) pulled 10-20gb in a month before, sometimes higher. I never heard a word. Is that wrong of me? No. I was sold "Unlimited data" I pay for "Unlimited data" and I think it is not unreasonable to use unlimited data in an unlimited fashion.
Sure, there might be some twaddle in the contract about using so much data that you degrade the experience for other users of the network being against the rules...but...for the past 6-8 months it has been nigh on impossible for me to get speeds (or consistent connections) that allow me to get the service that I paid for let alone enough of it that I could ruin anything for anyone else....
...I'm pretty sure that's where the jackasses that say the WE "ruined it" come in to play.
This is Sprint's fault and no restrictions apply to that statement.
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Really, this argument?
Just like "free" doesn't really mean "complete and absolutely free."
Give me one example in life where "always" [hell or even the opposite] "never" actually are true.
You can't.
Language isn't perfect, especially English.
Hell even the English language has exceptions to every rule.
Sorry, but this is a rather silly complaint.

Get a load of this...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204653604577249080966030276.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
This something that is seriously making me think drop data or move to tmobile.
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AT&T is really trying to squeeze out revenue from every hole, they have pissed off their customers with the data plan fiasco and now they are going to piss off developers, both big and small.
As a hobbyist developer who wants to make app development a full time gig, i don't like this plan one bit.

Nexcellent said:
AT&T is really trying to squeeze out revenue from every hole, they have pissed off their customers with the data plan fiasco and now they are going to piss off developers, both big and small.
As a hobbyist developer who wants to make app development a full time gig, i don't like this plan one bit.
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I don't think you understand the plan. It would allow developers the option to pay for user data to "encourage in-app media purchases".

crachel said:
I don't think you understand the plan. It would allow developers the option to pay for user data to "encourage in-app media purchases".
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There are plenty of in-app purchasing API's and services out there for Android and iOS. I see no benefit to the developer at all with this plan.
AT&T should be the one to provide the data service - not the developer of the application, end of story.

Nexcellent said:
There are plenty of in-app purchasing API's and services out there for Android and iOS. I see no benefit to the developer at all with this plan.
AT&T should be the one to provide the data service - not the developer of the application, end of story.
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Then don't use it?
AT&T is simply providing an optional revenue stream for developers to take advantage of if they so choose. This is a way for app developers to make their cloud or streaming service a bit more attractive than a competitors by offsetting mobile data costs away from the user. Nobody is forcing anybody to do anything and there is no affect on end users except for potential reduction in data usage.

For instance,
Box.net and Dropbox are competitors.
Dropbox could say "hey, let's offer to pay for our user's traffic so it doesn't count against them when they upload pics, Box.net doesn't offer this"
Now, as a user, you might choose Dropbox over Box.net because you're always around your monthly quota.
Dropbox chose to do this, Box.net chose not to. The user chooses which benefits them most.
If you understand this, there's no way you can be so passionately against it.

Toll free data for some apps. I can't even remotely see why this would be a bad thing if some developer actually wants to pay for my data. I imagine it'll probably be reserved for people that say subscribe to a service with the app, like Spotify or something. Gives the developer another bragging feature, "free data" in a day where people worry about their data limits.

Like say... 1800 numbers?
And they're so proliferate that they needed 1888, and 1866.
Think of apps like spotify, how awesome would it be to have streaming apps not count towards your monthly data cap? I'm sure companies can get better data rates if they're buying a million gigs a month rather then the 2 you buy; and then the developer can keep the difference.... or pass it along to the subscriber.
it's a great business move for AT&T.

Welcome to AT&T, the most blatantly greed driven Wireless Company on Earth. And proud about it...

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Welcome to AT&T, the most blatantly greed driven Wireless Company on Earth. And proud about it...
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Maybe. But in this case it sounds like it potentially should be good for the customers. I assume like was mentioned earlier, the data may be sold in bulk to developers at a better rate, and the customers should get a better deal out of the entire thing by getting free data with a service they want.

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Maybe. But in this case it sounds like it potentially should be good for the customers. I assume like was mentioned earlier, the data may be sold in bulk to developers at a better rate, and the customers should get a better deal out of the entire thing by getting free data with a service they want.
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Most definitely, that's not the case. But a very nice idea...

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If you understand this, there's no way you can be so passionately against it.
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I completely understand - my personal opinion is that the data that the consumer is using should be of no concern of the developer.

How would the data monitor on your phone know what apps were "free" data and what wasn't? Great idea in theory, but that great new feature in ICS with monitoring and alerting you of your data usage won't work properly. If Google would put a method to ignore data from an app, what would be there to prevent a rogue app from taking advantage of it to hide its own data usage?
This is all just a way for AT&T to make more money as I'm sure there will be customers that don't use close to all of their data if this would go into effect, and I doubt AT&T would call you and say "You don't need as much data as you're paying for, you could pay less". So you'll have two people paying for the same data transferred now, rather than just one.

drae52 said:
Think of apps like spotify, how awesome would it be to have streaming apps not count towards your monthly data cap? I'm sure companies can get better data rates if they're buying a million gigs a month rather then the 2 you buy; and then the developer can keep the difference.... or pass it along to the subscriber.
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It's only a great business move if you think AT&T's business model revolves around selling bulk data. It isn't. Wireless data is a function of wireless spectrum. Since there is finite spectrum (particularly for AT&T who played a higher risk game than Verizon did and lost), there is a finite amount of data that can be pushed around. When voice was the killer app for phones, they had loads of spectrum and they used the excess spectrum to push unlimited data and whatever data-hungry application they could to get people to subscribe to a data plan. In such a scenario, the game really is to incentivize as much usage as possible to maximize assets (towers, backhaul, spectrum licenses) and entice even more people to buy data plans, increasing revenue.
Now that AT&T is facing a spectrum crunch, their game is to keep peak data usage roughly where it is now (at a asset maximizing level) while maximizing revenue per GB. Tiered data plans are not about network management. It's about milking the tech savy users who are most likely to be able and willing to pay for higher data plans. With such a business model, it becomes clear that this is a ploy to double dip by charging the sender and receiver. This is the same game AT&T was playing last year (when they complained about how they didn't/don't get a piece from YouTube or Netflix).
In short, it's about raising more revenue from existing assets. I.e. you pay the same rate you do now + devs now pay AT&T too. Maybe you get a nominal discount in the form of a few extra MB's per month, but you'll more than make up for it with higher app fees. Because you have to convert GB's to dollars (and I doubt they'll show you how much "free" data you even get) it's hard to tell whether or not you end up better off. Rest assured, they've done the math and set rates so that you won't.
If you want to know a bit of inside info (well, it's not that inside, they put it into their financial statements) wireless companies in the US have a roughly 30% gross margin on wireless. Some things, like individual plans, SMS packages, and international services are much higher, but they're dragged down by those $9.99 add-lines and (now, they used to be the cash cows) data plans. That's not the transport cost, which is almost zero, but the cost of infrastructure, capitalized spectrum and debt servicing) So if you want to do some napkin math with me here, imagine you use 1GB of wireless data while using Netflix. Netflix signs a contract for data sponsorship with AT&T. They get a bulk discount, but AT&T isn't going to take a loss, or even break even, so they're going to charge ~$8 per GB. Netflix, assuming they want to maintain their current margin, will thus have to charge you roughly $15.99 per month.

You know in the grand scheme of things, I love paying taxes. Don't get me wrong though. I don't mind paying taxes that kings of old would envy that allow us to enjoy the lifestyles we live. But i hate double dipping. And i hate when corporations play poor mouth and whine about not making enough profit. The high profile banker that left a literal tip on the receipt, "get a real job!" needs to take his own advice for instance. Blatant robbery if the article is taken at face value.
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Limited Time Offer from T-Mobile : No-Cap 4G Unlimited Data

Didn't know if anyone else got this email, but something interesting I saw from the email I got from T-Mo.
No 2GB, 10GB restrictions, no cap at all.
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Unlimited Nationwide 4G
Unleash the power of your smartphone with unlimited 4G data and experience T-Mobile 4G without limits.
If you want to access the web, stream music and video, and download cool apps and games, as much as you want, you will want unlimited 4G data.
There are no limits, no overages, no worries—you never have to keep track of how much data you use.
Not compatible with Smartphone Mobile HotSpot service. Data unlimited while on our 4G network.
The fine print :
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T-Mobile's HSPA+ 4G network not available everywhere. See coverage details. Limited-time offers; subject to change.
Taxes and fees additional. Domestic only. Compatible device required; not all features or plans available on all devices.
Unlimited features for direct U.S. communications between two people.
General Terms: Credit approval, $35 per line activation fee and two-year agreement with up to $200/line early cancellation fee required; deposit may apply.
If you switch plans you may be bound by existing or extended contract term (including early cancellation provisions) and/or charged an up to $200 fee.
You may be unable to switch to some plans. Regulatory Programs Fee (not a tax or government-mandated charge) of up to $1.61 per line/month applies.
Taxes approx. 6%–28% of your monthly bill. Overage extra; partial minutes/data rounded up. Talk overage of $0.45/minute.
Some calls/features involve multiple calls; each call incurs separate charges.
For unlimited data plans, full speeds available up to monthly data allotment; then speeds slowed to up to 2G speeds for remainder of billing cycle.
For post-paid 200MB plan, overage of $0.10/MB charged to customers after monthly data allotment is used.
Apps and 3rd Party Content: Use of some content, features, or services may incur separate, additional charges and/or require a qualifying data plan or access to Wi-Fi connection.
Coverage: Coverage not available everywhere. Abnormal Usage: Service may be slowed, suspended, terminated, or restricted for misuse, abnormal use, interference with our network or ability to provide quality service to other users, or significant roaming.
See brochures and Terms and Conditions (including arbitration provision) for additional information.
Thoughts?

Really? Are you for real? If you are, then you either been out of the country
in the last 2 months, or you don't read XDA.....

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Really? Are you for real? If you are, then you either been out of the country
in the last 2 months, or you don't read XDA.....
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+1 plus its not limited time. Its a permanent option now.
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premiatul said:
Really? Are you for real? If you are, then you either been out of the country
in the last 2 months, or you don't read XDA.....
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Sadly enough I just got that email literally a few hours ago, no I don't live out of country either. :l Never knew about it until now.
And I only read XDA when I need support on something.

And I only read XDA when I need support on something.
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Because of that you lost about 2 months of Unlimited goodness...lol...
Read XDA every day and you will be up to date with everything....
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Not fully your fault but you should of done a search before grinning and posting it on xda. You know da rules around these parts... well I guess if you are just posting this maybe you dont j/k but for future reference do some research before posting

This added data costs more? I have the 2GB for $10 on three lines. I thought they wanted $20 per line for the unlimited?

apicia said:
This added data costs more? I have the 2GB for $10 on three lines. I thought they wanted $20 per line for the unlimited?
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I only see this as being worth it if you only own laptops and tablets and plan to tether and cancel your internet, or if you don't have internet thus do not have the ability to use Wi-Fi whine at home

Dougshell said:
I only see this as being worth it if you only own laptops and tablets and plan to tether and cancel your internet, or if you don't have internet thus do not have the ability to use Wi-Fi whine at home
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Well the unlimited does not come with tether but of course if you're rooted you can make it so they don't know
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T-Mobile Data De-Prioritization

Anyone else have unlimited data and now are getting De-prioritized (throttled) ?
I use easily 20gb a month for the past year and never had this issue
Im getting 300 + ms pings and 0.20 mbps and lower speeds
Certain times of the day ill get 30mbps but most of the time its being throttled
Apparently I'm in the top 3% of data users
Tried making an IPV4 apn but still getting throttled
any one know of a work around?

It's possible that you're in a congested cell, and not throttled. Have you tried moving geographically to see if that helps?
Throttling is implemented on the PCEF (Policy and Charging Enforcement Function), and it's a QoS policy pushed by the PCRF (Policy and Charging Rules Function) onto the PDN-Gateway. There is no workaround for unlimited users that might get throttled for network abuse, other than wait for your bill cycle reset, or use Wi-Fi. In other words, you can't "top off" an unlimited plan, at least I don't think you can.
My advice is that if you're paying for unlimited data, and you feel like you're unjustly throttled, I would call customer support. They can check your data usage and typically tell if you're flagged as a "heavy hitter" or not. If you complain loudly enough, they can (and will) remove the block, but your mileage may vary. If they resist, tell them you plan to tweet to John Legere, and they'll hook you right up.
For what it's worth, I used to work as a PCRF/PCEF systems engineer. We had a "heavy data user" policy, but in our case it was only people that went over 200 GB or something ridiculous like that. If I recall correctly, roughly 20 GB/month was more or less average for an unlimited data subscriber, although I'm sure usage patterns vary from carrier to carrier, as well as implementation details on the PCC policies. Also, I believe our policy was to remove any throttling for unlimited users, no questions asked if they called to complain.
I know T-Mobile uses NSN (Nokia) for their policy vendor, but I don't know any details about their actual policies, at least not any more.
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Also, just to be clear--I don't know if T-Mobile even throttles "heavy hitter" data users. I know it's been done, but I am not a T-Mobile employee and have no idea what their current policies are.
I would think that if they did implement QoS, the policy would not be time-based. However, anything is possible, which is why I would just call customer service.

If your in a heavy cell site then you might be throttled or just congested really bad. Call 611 and ask tmo if your line is being throttled. I average about 40gb's a month for the past 6 months on unlimited LTE plan and have never been throttled yet.

TMO throttles based on the plan that you have. Recently a Reddit thread came up where the customer filed a complaint with John Legere's office and was told that all unlimited data users will be de-prioritized and eventually removed from their system if they disagreed with the policy. De-prioritization has a chance to "kick in" after the 5 gig mark for unlimited data plans, but completely dependent on the market and how busy the network actually is. At least now if you are actually de-prioritized, you can call customer service and they would be able to tell you if the account is flagged. A few years ago, users would just wonder what's wrong with their accounts.
The bad thing about being throttled is that the OOKLA app on the market will not reflect the throttling, since TMO said they will not count data when it comes to that specific speed app, as well as many of the apps that you stream music off of.
Hope this helps.

I believe the new net neutrality law disallows throttling now, unless you're in violation of the terms of agreement based on what you're using the data for.

Swizzle82 said:
I believe the new net neutrality law disallows throttling now, unless you're in violation of the terms of agreement based on what you're using the data for.
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It's not 'throttling' if the says it's de-prioritization, right? Just a play on words really.

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It's not 'throttling' if the says it's de-prioritization, right? Just a play on words really.
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Yeah I guess so. Gotta love verbage. I am at 29gbs of data so far this month and I'm still hitting about 75megs down and about 25 up.. Just for the ops information..

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Yeah I guess so. Gotta love verbage. I am at 29gbs of data so far this month and I'm still hitting about 75megs down and about 25 up.. Just for the ops information..
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Exactly.
I'm on the $5 BTV data plan with TMO and regularly use about 50 gigs and still get full LTE speeds with no throttling. I love my plan, and would never even consider changing to other carriers. I mean, which other carrier gives unlimited LTE for $5 a month, right?

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Exactly.
I'm on the $5 BTV data plan with TMO and regularly use about 50 gigs and still get full LTE speeds with no throttling. I love my plan, and would never even consider changing to other carriers. I mean, which other carrier gives unlimited LTE for $5 a month, right?
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BTV? Ive got 4 for $100 with two lines increased to unlimited and 5gbs plus unlimited text on my tablet totalling about $160/mo. I get anywhere from 35-110megs depending on the time of day and my location. I really can't complain.

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BTV? Ive got 4 for $100 with two lines increased to unlimited and 5gbs plus unlimited text on my tablet totalling about $160/mo. I get anywhere from 35-110megs depending on the time of day and my location. I really can't complain.
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BTV is basically the unlimited Android data plan that used to be $30 to new users, or $20 for current but grandfathered users - with an additional $15 discount, making it $5.
http://www.tmonews.com/2012/11/t-mo...p-migrate-customers-over-to-value-rate-plans/
I'm on a 600 minute (no overages now, so minutes don't matter) family plan with two lines for $49.99 with a $10 unlimited family texting and BTV data with a corp discount of 15% and a loyalty bonus of $10 discount per month. The bill totals out to be $90.45 after taxes with a $25/mo payment plan on the G4.

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BTV is basically the unlimited Android data plan that used to be $30 to new users, or $20 for current but grandfathered users - with an additional $15 discount, making it $5.
http://www.tmonews.com/2012/11/t-mo...p-migrate-customers-over-to-value-rate-plans/
I'm on a 600 minute (no overages now, so minutes don't matter) family plan with two lines for $49.99 with a $10 unlimited family texting and BTV data with a corp discount of 15% and a loyalty bonus of $10 discount per month. The bill totals out to be $90.45 after taxes with a $25/mo payment plan on the G4.
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Damn yo.. How long you been with TMo? Lol. I Tried to use my work discount, but they had told me that I couldn't because I already got a discounted plan. This was a while back though, might have to try again.

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Damn yo.. How long you been with TMo? Lol. I Tried to use my work discount, but they had told me that I couldn't because I already got a discounted plan. This was a while back though, might have to try again.
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On and off? 10 or so years. If you are interested, check out the discounted plans on howardforums.com - they have the SOC codes that you can provide to CSR to get on these plans.

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TMO throttles based on the plan that you have. Recently a Reddit thread came up where the customer filed a complaint with John Legere's office and was told that all unlimited data users will be de-prioritized and eventually removed from their system if they disagreed with the policy. De-prioritization has a chance to "kick in" after the 5 gig mark for unlimited data plans, but completely dependent on the market and how busy the network actually is. At least now if you are actually de-prioritized, you can call customer service and they would be able to tell you if the account is flagged. A few years ago, users would just wonder what's wrong with their accounts.
The bad thing about being throttled is that the OOKLA app on the market will not reflect the throttling, since TMO said they will not count data when it comes to that specific speed app, as well as many of the apps that you stream music off of.
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Thanks for the tip about the Reddit thread. I think I found it here: http://www.reddit.com/r/tmobile/comments/342wr7/tmobile_is_now_throttling_unlimited_data/
If you put yourself into T-Mobile's shoes, how SHOULD they handle congestion? They can do what they can with existing spectrum and tower agreements, but if there IS congestion, how do you handle it?
I don't necessarily agree or disagree with the official stance, but I do understand where they're coming from. The mindset is that you, the heavy data customer, can and SHOULD accept some modest degradation in performance, especially since you're on the edge of the bell curve in data usage. If there's contention, should you suffer, or should the casual data user suffer? They choose to slightly punish the 3%, rather than the average Joes whose usage is more normal.
As I said in a previous comment, I had to deal with this when I worked as a systems engineer for a certain carrier. We put policies in place to throttle users over some ridiculously high amount, and we also sent them an SMS notification when we did so. In that case, we were looking for the REALLY heavy users, that were in the top 0.5%. The average unlimited subscriber used 10-20 GB per month, but these people were using well over 100 GB. The intent of unlimited is to avoid surprises with billing, not to provide wireless Internet service for your whole dorm or apartment complex or whatever.
Think about unlimited wireless in terms of your local all-you-can-eat buffet restaurant. Most people pay their money and eat their meal, ranging from a modest portion to a massive portion, but at some point everyone gets full. What is NOT acceptable is to sit in the restaurant from open to close, constantly gorging yourself on food. It's not an exact analogy since you can't get "full" consuming data, but you can get the idea.
Carrying the "all you can eat" restaurant analogy a little further...if you're in a buffet restaurant, and they run low on something, should they keep serving the guy that is on his twentieth portion? Or should they cut him off and let the people who have had ANY of the food eat first?
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Totally agree with you that people who are using extremely high data, typically people 100 GB and above, needs to be checked. Often times these people are using their data plans for hacked/tethering at home, which the connection is also shared with other users. A lot of times, the high data is due to downloading/torrenting.
While I'm a heavy user myself (since TMO considers anyone over 5 GB a month as heavy users), watching youtube in 1440P really eats up data very quickly. At one point in my life, I had a really crappy home internet plan and just watched Netflix off my phone nonstop. This eventually led up to about 150GB for the month.
The buffet analogy is great, but it really does show the difference between being a company and being a consumer. If the consumer's desire for the buffet is to have 100 oysters and nothing else and your company wants to stop him because he's having too much, but his sole purpose there is for the oysters - you're really telling him, "No, we don't want to service you again." This makes things sour with their customers real quick. Basically what it comes down to in the consumers eyes is, "If you can't afford to do it, then don't run the program. " De-prioritization controls the person eating 100 oysters to allow the next guy to have some oysters too, but that's not why he came to this buffet.
It's a very difficult place to be, and just like voting on taxes - no one really wins. Money has to come out from somewhere. If TMO increases their bandwidth, then there will be additional fees. We don't want to be like Sprint where they charge you an additional $10 or $15 just because you have a "smartphone." That makes absolutely no sense.

Yes sir!!! Im with you OP. I used to have unlimited 4g data in my plan for additional $30. But since last 10 months or so it's been bad. I would use roughly 30 to 40 gigs a month. Mostly youtube and netflix. Then after "de prioritization" or being in area of "data congestion" ( which in simple words means "throttling" imo ) i started getting about 20 gigs on high speed and after that i would be stuck with 0.1 to 0.2 mbps.
Called tmo a million times and they would always tell me that i might be connected to a tower where a lot others are connected. WHAT ?? WTF?? Why is it that i get connected to THAT tower 2 weeks after new cycle when i have used about 20 gigs? Why not in 1 week or after uaing about 5 or 10 gigs? I would be always in my room in the same spot all the time. It was all BS.
And the reps would always tell me that since im paying for unlimited high speed data i shouldn't be slowed down until one day when one of the reps mentioned being slow if im in the top 3%. Thats when i decided to let it go. I posted screen shots of slow speeds on on social media and ranted them and all that bad stuff just to let my anger out. That it really is UNLIMITED but its not UNLIMITED 4G. After certain usage you'll be stuck with 128KBPS speeds.
I was really upset with that. I cancelled that extra data plan. Saved me $30 a month and soon I'll be switching over to something else.
Well played tmo..

The magic number is updated quarterly. Right now if you go over 21GB in a congested area, you could be prioritized and slowed down.
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Here is the TRUTH! T-mobile is THROTTLING and calling in DE PRIORITIZING to protect the company's ass from an FCC lawsuit. At 21 gigs data speed dies. They say it is during busy times, blah, blah blah, but the reality is, it dies. The problem is that when the unlimited HIGH SPEED DATA users changed to this plan, there were no limits and were advertised as such, "UNLIMITED LTE HIGH SPEED DATA." The ads were on TV 24/7 three years ago. T-mobile got exactly what they set out to do, sign up millions of new customers. Those that try to see T-mobile's SIDE sound like this is an innocent mistake. That T-mobile had no idea what they were doing when they created this data plan and the network would not be able to handle the load. The TRUTH is, at least in my experience, the system had NO issues. It worked unbelievable well and NOT the typical T-mobile inconsistent signal. So, here's the deal, if you purchase something that is clearly stated, "THIS IS WHAT YOU ARE GETTING, UNLIMITED LTE 4G HIGH SPEED DATA," and the company decides they don't want to do that anymore, why aren't the customers compensated? Lower the rate of the plan since 21 gigs is what you are paying for, NOT UNLIMITED. Also, ATT got sued and lost a 100 million dollar law suit for throttling its unlimited data customers. It is only a matter of time before T-mobile is in front of a judge. Bait and switch is still against the law. Calling something a NEW made up word like DE PRIORITIZING does not change the fact customers are being throttled.

The new magic number is 25GB.
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Salvatoreascend said:
Here is the TRUTH! T-mobile is THROTTLING and calling in DE PRIORITIZING to protect the company's ass from an FCC lawsuit. At 21 gigs data speed dies. They say it is during busy times, blah, blah blah, but the reality is, it dies. The problem is that when the unlimited HIGH SPEED DATA users changed to this plan, there were no limits and were advertised as such, "UNLIMITED LTE HIGH SPEED DATA." The ads were on TV 24/7 three years ago. T-mobile got exactly what they set out to do, sign up millions of new customers. Those that try to see T-mobile's SIDE sound like this is an innocent mistake. That T-mobile had no idea what they were doing when they created this data plan and the network would not be able to handle the load. The TRUTH is, at least in my experience, the system had NO issues. It worked unbelievable well and NOT the typical T-mobile inconsistent signal. So, here's the deal, if you purchase something that is clearly stated, "THIS IS WHAT YOU ARE GETTING, UNLIMITED LTE 4G HIGH SPEED DATA," and the company decides they don't want to do that anymore, why aren't the customers compensated? Lower the rate of the plan since 21 gigs is what you are paying for, NOT UNLIMITED. Also, ATT got sued and lost a 100 million dollar law suit for throttling its unlimited data customers. It is only a matter of time before T-mobile is in front of a judge. Bait and switch is still against the law. Calling something a NEW made up word like DE PRIORITIZING does not change the fact customers are being throttled.
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Yep... soon as I hit 21 gigs I get throttled to Dial up speed. I can no longer use video chat with my wife who is overseas. I can't even stream 144p without it buffering.
I average 30-50 gigs per month. When I was on metro I had zero issues. When I switched to this unlimited plan with Tmobile, I had no issues. only 1 time have I ever gone over the 100 gig mark. That was 2 years ago in december, when I was unemployed and reformatted my computer. I used my mobile for all my downloads. the past year has been just streaming music, and videos, and google hangout video chats with my wife.
Right now I can't do anything on my data. it's so slow the speedtest says "network issues" most of the time. Although Ping is 30ms.. and this is regardless of the time of day. even 3-4-5am when the towers are hardly used. low ping (faster ping than comcast), but ridiculous slow speed. and I pay $70 per month for this BS...
I'm contacting some attorneys and seeking to file a class action for violation of net neutrality. And I'm going back to metro (same towers, but I was never throttled and had really fast 4G LTE with Metro. it was faster than my buddies sprint service in my area.
Anyone with an unlimited Tmobile plan that wants to join in a class action PM me.

cocokasper said:
Yep... soon as I hit 21 gigs I get throttled to Dial up speed. I can no longer use video chat with my wife who is overseas. I can't even stream 144p without it buffering.
I average 30-50 gigs per month. When I was on metro I had zero issues. When I switched to this unlimited plan with Tmobile, I had no issues. only 1 time have I ever gone over the 100 gig mark. That was 2 years ago in december, when I was unemployed and reformatted my computer. I used my mobile for all my downloads. the past year has been just streaming music, and videos, and google hangout video chats with my wife.
Right now I can't do anything on my data. it's so slow the speedtest says "network issues" most of the time. Although Ping is 30ms.. and this is regardless of the time of day. even 3-4-5am when the towers are hardly used. low ping (faster ping than comcast), but ridiculous slow speed. and I pay $70 per month for this BS...
I'm contacting some attorneys and seeking to file a class action for violation of net neutrality. And I'm going back to metro (same towers, but I was never throttled and had really fast 4G LTE with Metro. it was faster than my buddies sprint service in my area.
Anyone with an unlimited Tmobile plan that wants to join in a class action PM me.
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Try switching to hspa first. This seems to help me when that happens.