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Verizon data throttling

From Engadget:
"Nice timing, Verizon. Just as thousands -- possibly zillions -- of smartphone users are pondering the switch to Big Red for Apple's iPhone 4, the carrier has slipped in two critical policy changes that are apparently effective immediately. Tucked within loads of fine print in a new PDF that surfaced on the company's site, there's this:
"Verizon Wireless strives to provide customers the best experience when using our network, a shared resource among tens of millions of customers. To help achieve this, if you use an extraordinary amount of data and fall within the top 5 percent of Verizon Wireless data users we may reduce your data throughput speeds periodically for the remainder of your then current and immediately following billing cycle to ensure high quality network performance for other users at locations and times of peak demand. Our proactive management of the Verizon Wireless network is designed to ensure that the remaining 95 percent of data customers aren't negatively affected by the inordinate data consumption of just a few users."
To our knowledge, this is the first time that VZW has taken a notable position on throttling, and the link to its stance on net neutrality (as it applies to wireless, anyway) is fairly obvious. What's most interesting to us is the five percent figure; the top one or two percent isn't a huge amount, and there's a good chance that bandwidth abusers are up in that echelon. But we're guessing that quite a few business travelers will fall within this particular range, and given that VZW now holds the right to throttle data for your existing billing cycle and the next one... well, good luck gritting your teeth and lasting through that two-year contract. "

This is interesting that they do this just before the iphone is released to the public for their network. I think they may be worried.
I'm sure they will have some clause for those on business accounts or have the business unlimited data plans that they will be less restrictive on the data usage. This just sucks for the rest of us who are considered the general public.
Then again this brings up the argument of really why do you need to download or upload so much with your phone. If you really need that bandwidth wouldn't it be better just to get a 3/4G air card for a laptop? I've recently seen some cable companies offer wireless internet access which has no limits just like your home cable connection. I'm all for an open internet with no restrictions but I too understand the need to keep a network stable so that it can still provide reasonable service. Just because it takes 5 to 10 seconds longer for a page load doesn't mean the end of the world. We pay for a service that they provide and if they need to make some changes like optimizing the data on the network or punishing those that are abusing the network causing everyone else to suffer I don't see a problem. If the optimizing has no visible effect to you or I then what differences does it make? *I understand those that work with photography or what ever field you work in will want to upload or download uncompressed files but really should you be using your phone for that?*
This is just my opinion and I respect everyone's opinion as well. I will say that I don't see "I don't want to carry around a heavy laptop" as a valid excuse. If you are really physically deprived that you cannot carry anything but a cell phone then you have more serious problems to deal with.
This again is just my opinion and in no way wish to offend anyone personally.

boomertwo said:
This is interesting that they do this just before the iphone is released to the public for their network. I think they may be worried.
I'm sure they will have some clause for those on business accounts or have the business unlimited data plans that they will be less restrictive on the data usage. This just sucks for the rest of us who are considered the general public.
Then again this brings up the argument of really why do you need to download or upload so much with your phone. If you really need that bandwidth wouldn't it be better just to get a 3/4G air card for a laptop? I've recently seen some cable companies offer wireless internet access which has no limits just like your home cable connection. I'm all for an open internet with no restrictions but I too understand the need to keep a network stable so that it can still provide reasonable service. Just because it takes 5 to 10 seconds longer for a page load doesn't mean the end of the world. We pay for a service that they provide and if they need to make some changes like optimizing the data on the network or punishing those that are abusing the network causing everyone else to suffer I don't see a problem. If the optimizing has no visible effect to you or I then what differences does it make? *I understand those that work with photography or what ever field you work in will want to upload or download uncompressed files but really should you be using your phone for that?*
This is just my opinion and I respect everyone's opinion as well. I will say that I don't see "I don't want to carry around a heavy laptop" as a valid excuse. If you are really physically deprived that you cannot carry anything but a cell phone then you have more serious problems to deal with.
This again is just my opinion and in no way wish to offend anyone personally.
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I think that you are correct regarding needing so much data, in general. I do travel occasionally to northern Michigan, to my in-laws house. They live in a pretty remote area and do not have any access to wired broadband. So I use my DINC as a modem (tethering), and find that I am using about 2GB/week when tethered.

Say It Isn't So!!!
I'm FUBAR'd then. I tether for all my net access including XB Live and last month My Verizon said I used 40GB. Nooooooooooooo!!!!

Wait, isn't there a mod that disables data throttling? I could've sworn I flashed one a month or 2 ago from this very forum. I don't think root users need to be worried.

TokedUp said:
Wait, isn't there a mod that disables data throttling? I could've sworn I flashed one a month or 2 ago from this very forum. I don't think root users need to be worried.
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This sounds like they're throttling from the server, not the device. I could be wrong though. I'd be interested to find out if anyone knows for sure...

I haven't seen a leak yet, but il keep looking
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boomertwo said:
... I've recently seen some cable companies offer wireless internet access which has no limits just like your home cable connection. ...
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I think you might want to reconsider this statement Comcast ...As of October 1, 2008, data usage above 250 Gigabytes ("GB") per month per Comcast High-Speed Internet residential customer account is considered to be excessive. This could result in termination of your account.
http://customer.comcast.com/Pages/FAQViewer.aspx?seoid=Frequently-Asked-Questions-about-Excessive-Use#approach

AlanPototsky said:
I think you might want to reconsider this statement Comcast ...As of October 1, 2008, data usage above 250 Gigabytes ("GB") per month per Comcast High-Speed Internet residential customer account is considered to be excessive. This could result in termination of your account.
http://customer.comcast.com/Pages/FAQViewer.aspx?seoid=Frequently-Asked-Questions-about-Excessive-Use#approach
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Charter is doing teh same thing. My friend just got a certified letter from them saying he was using excessive amounts of data. His kids are downloading movies non stop.

AlanPototsky said:
I think you might want to reconsider this statement Comcast ...As of October 1, 2008, data usage above 250 Gigabytes ("GB") per month per Comcast High-Speed Internet residential customer account is considered to be excessive. This could result in termination of your account.
http://customer.comcast.com/Pages/FAQViewer.aspx?seoid=Frequently-Asked-Questions-about-Excessive-Use#approach
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I'm a VERY Heavy downloader and have never been chastised by Comcast for going over 250GB in a 30 day period.
Maybe just been lucky

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I think you might want to reconsider this statement Comcast ...As of October 1, 2008, data usage above 250 Gigabytes ("GB") per month per Comcast High-Speed Internet residential customer account is considered to be excessive. This could result in termination of your account.
http://customer.comcast.com/Pages/FAQViewer.aspx?seoid=Frequently-Asked-Questions-about-Excessive-Use#approach
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Well I was mostly talking about Roadrunner as an example as I had received an email from them offering a usb air card which tied with my home connection basically. I didn't notice any fine print saying that there was any bandwidth limits.

Toked up, I believe Driphter as it as part of CM7.

But again, this throttle will happen at the network level, making that mod irrelevant. On a side note that mod removes google's throttle, which would put an icon in the status bar.

This is what confuses me. This statment makes 100% complete sense... And yet alot of people me included see undeniable speed gains with the mod. I actually see my speeds raise 5 or 6 times what they were. It makes zero sense.
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But again, this throttle will happen at the network level, making that mod irrelevant. On a side note that mod removes google's throttle, which would put an icon in the status bar.
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Let's keep in mind that this really has nothing to do with how much band width you actually use. There will always be a top 5 percent even if the heaviest users start to voluntarily cut back.

I believe the throttle only kicks in above a certain amount of usage. And its not guaranteed that it will even happen. It's just saying that it could happen. If you're that upset, write the corporate office and let them know. They're very good with feedback and will usually respond to your letter. But don't write if you're not the account holder. They could care less if you're some punk kid who cant play video games because they slowed down your speeds.

Sprint Confirms Unlimited Data Is Here to Stay!!

Quote from engadget post speaking about information released by Sprints CTO
"Sprint may have plenty of changes in store for its upcoming "strategy update," but it looks like one crucial policy will remain in place -- unlimited data plans. Speaking to reporters at Mobilize in San Francisco yesterday, company CTO Stephen Bye confirmed that even though competitors like Verizon and AT&T are phasing out their unlimited plans, Sprint remains committed to providing its customers with infinite data. Doing so won't come without costs, since, as Bye explained, not all unlimited subscribers eat up the same amount of data. But the exec pointed out that these efforts are counterbalanced by the relative simplicity of managing unlimited schemes, and don't seem quite as prohibitive when compared with the hidden customer support costs involved with more complex, tiered plans. Yet despite all this optimism, Sprint seems fully aware that some major expenses are on the horizon, especially with a revamped 4G LTE network in the pipeline and, perhaps, with the iPhone 5 on the way. "Is there pressure? Yeah," Bye acknowledged. "There's a challenge for all engineers to work on how we get the cost structure down." Bye went on to reiterate, however, that although a new data network may attract new investors, it's ultimately Sprint's unique data plans that will keep its customer base intact."
Source:Engadget http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/27/sprints-unlimited-data-plans-arent-going-anywhere-cto-confirm/
Engadgets Source: Cnet http://www.cnet.com/8301-17918_1-20...irms-it-will-stick-with-unlimited-data-plans/

Queue the "yeah, for now" and other sarcastic comments and other general complaining not related to this topic.

mattykinsx said:
Queue the "yeah, for now" and other sarcastic comments and other general complaining not related to this topic.
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Ive grown used to it

Yeah, for now.
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It can only be unlimited for so long before they throttle and then ultimately do data caps. More users are added on a daily basis and it seems they have not gotten a hold of expanding the infrastructure for phone basic needs like 3g. Hell wimax 4g stopped expanding for long while now.
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Continuing to have the higher ups reiterate this is encouraging..
-J

For now unfortunately
Samsung Galaxy S Dos indeed

HaiKaiDo said:
Ive grown used to it
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Pfffft, every single response except one.

Sprint will continue to offer Unlimited data to your smart phone until Sprint's service has very compelling advantages which would make them very competitive with the other 2 big(ger) players....and I don't see that happening any time soon...and if it does, well, then they will at least be offering an attractive service with value on par with the other carriers.
Sprint isn't stupid.
Right now the only thing keeping most of us (and not just us phone geeks) with Sprint is their low prices and unlimited data. Their price advantage is quickly fading and every perk they've offered has been removed. This is the one thing differentiating them from AT&T and Verizon and they know it. Their (surprisingly fantastic) line up of smartphones is not enough to keep people from making a mass exodus to two other carriers.
So, to sum it up, Sprint will have "Unlimited Data" until their network and/or plan pricing can compete (or out-compete) with the 2 big boys.
If Sprint happens to stop offering unlimited data without these compelling features and/or advantages I would consider that the death throes of the company...as anyone with a lick of common sense would know that to be complete and total corporate suicide at this stage of the game.
You hear that Sprint? Send this message up the flag pole. It's the cold hard truth for both YOU and US. *I* already know when I'm going to jump ship, and it'll be long before the emergency rafts are full...most of XDA (who are Sprint subscribers) like will do the same. Choose wisely.

Its funny that you people all think that companies like ATT and tMobile and Verizon actually switched to tiered data plans because their networks couldnt handle the traffic. They switched because theyre greedy bastards trying to squeeze every last bit of money out of their clients. Its a sad day when corporate BS is taken at face value by the General Pubic. Needless to say, I think sprint data plans are here to stay, and if they WERE changed it wouldnt be because sprints network couldnt handle it. It would be for monetary gain only, just like the others. You really think ATT's network cant handle more than 3 gigs a month per customer? Lol k

HaiKaiDo said:
Its funny that you people all think that companies like ATT and tMobile and Verizon actually switched to tiered data plans because their networks couldnt handle the traffic. They switched because theyre greedy bastards trying to squeeze every last bit of money out of their clients. Its a sad day when corporate BS is taken at face value by the General Pubic. Needless to say, I think sprint data plans are here to stay, and if they WERE changed it wouldnt be because sprints network couldnt handle it. It would be for monetary gain only, just like the others. You really think ATT's network cant handle more than 3 gigs a month per customer? Lol k
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I do agree with corporation being ran by greed. I preach this on a daily basis. But, the fact is there is limited spectrum space out there. That's the reason for the whole digital receiver dilemma a few years ago to open more spectrum space for other usage. You always have to account for everything before you can draw a conclusion.

HaiKaiDo said:
You really think ATT's network cant handle more than 3 gigs a month per customer? Lol k
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The best part about this is the average smartphone user doesn't even use that much data a month.
"3 GB / month" is probably top 7% of users.

[INFO] VZW UNLIMITED Data - Tips from a Throttled Power User

I originally posted information on how VZW actually does throttle 4G data. They claim to only throttle 3G connections but I can see obvious speed adjustments in a specific line that I severely exceed the normal usage on, my connections are slower than a more typically used line.
I am fine with being throttled and was offering my experience in what the thresholds were, I posted because of recent news about AT&T and a lot of misinformation about unlimited data usage and carrier's throttling. I was trying to quell the fears from experience because I highly doubt a single one of you is throttled or ever will be whereas I am in the top 5%... probably the top 1%. – Essentially that I am on the carrier’s side in their right to do so and that it’s not so bad when it happens.
What I got was a lynch mob over my very atypical data usage. My data needs are far greater than any plan currently offered so instead of paying $500+ a month in overages I admitted in my post to using Wireless Tether. - This is where the pitchforks and torches came in. If you don't use this app then so be it, I am Frankenstein’s monster and you want to string me up... if you have ever used the app then put down your pitchfork, you belong at my side because there is no difference in using it for 1kb or 1tb.
I read my contract and the terms of my service and do not believe I have violated my specific agreement but if I sign a new contract then the verbiage would change so that I would be in breach.
Know your contract and understand what you are signing, some marriages don’t even last for 2 years… It’s good to understand what you are signing up for especially if you are on here looking for instructions to root your phone or how to install one of the MANY tethering apps for rooted and non-rooted phones.
Someone (mwalt2) mentioned that I could still get the Mobile Hotspot enabled with unlimited data so I called Verizon and talked to a half dozen people, only the online rep would confirm that the specific feature code he gave exists… This is the closest as I have come in a year to getting Unlimited Mobile Hotspot data.
My final conversation with VZW today, I talked to a really awesome rep who agreed that my data usage was high but never questioned why. Actually, he avoided mentioning or asking me any questions about my usage other than the initial “Wow, you use a lot of data”. He told me the feature code I mentioned isn’t available anymore and he couldn’t add it to my plan; feature codes don’t ‘expire’ because people who had it added while it still existed need it for their plan to bill properly. So he could see it but he wasn’t able to add it.
My attempt was to add the feature for Unlimited Mobile Hotspot data; he could only offer me a 2GB plan for $20 or sign me up for a MiFi for an additional $10 for the line and then $80 for 10GB (They only double the data on phone plans).
His final words were, “Just keep doing what you are doing. There are no plans to get rid of people with unlimited data and at very least, if they do eventually, you have until the end of your contract to use it.”
This isn't my free ticket nor should it be yours, I will take it for what it's worth.
MY FINAL COMMENT:
I was trying to help the community with a contribution few of you will ever experience but ended up just getting chastised, threatened and called names. I will close this thread by saying: The VZW reps did not have any bad comments, no names, nor did they threaten to kick my arse. They have a better picture than any of you of my usage as well as a clear understanding of what the policies and terms of my agreement are. Every single Verizon rep I talked to today was nice, didn’t threaten to terminate my contract or tell me that I don’t “Need to use…” whatever feature/app was causing me to use so much data. - This is why I am with Verizon; I was a human talking to humans. I did not, nor should I ever, have to justify what I use my internet for. – I am sorry I even posted this but I did learn a lot so it wasn’t a complete waste.
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After all this time and crap it's as easy as getting into your features online to add the 4G mobile hotspot... it simply attaches to your unlimited data plan. (Comment#82) - FACEPALM -

Well, as long as you apologized for making everybody pay higher prices for data plans.
Oh and btw, what's your phone number? I'm not going to report you to Verizon or anything, I promise.

compnird said:
Do I feel guilty? A little... it's people like me that forced VZW to get rid of the Unlimited plan. So those of you using 5-6GB a month are forced to buy an expensive plan... sorry!
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Don't be. Tiered plans have nothing to do with capacity and everything to do with keeping revenue per user up despite declining voice usage. It has everything to do with paying a $400+ commission to Apple for every iPhone sold. As you know first hand, traffic shaping can be handled without across the board cutoffs.
You keep fighting the good fight. Strangle their network til they take it away from you. Fight the man, because he's been fighting all of us for years. He will lose, first by giving us unlimited off-peak data back. Then, he'll give us unlimited 24/7 access back too. We've seen this all before with voice.

What the heck! That's a lot of data in a month! I don't accept your apology.
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There was alot of speculation whether Verizon's unlimited data plan was truly unlimited back in the d1 days. Judging from the amount of data you have used I guess it is really unlimited I've always been tempted to tether to my Xbox when I'm away from a connection but thought it would lag to much.
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ATnTdude said:
You keep fighting the good fight. Strangle their network til they take it away from you. Fight the man, because he's been fighting all of us for years. He will lose, first by giving us unlimited off-peak data back. Then, he'll give us unlimited 24/7 access back too. We've seen this all before with voice.
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In all honesty I don't think of myself as "fighting the man". I just believe that we should ALL have a plan that fits our specific needs. They simply don't offer one for me any longer so I am forced to do something they frown upon.
I agree though, they screwed with the voice plans back in the early 00's and lost enough people, I almost jumped ship in 2001, they eventually brought back the unlimited talk and gave us more options like family share and others... SMS and MMS are the same way, they finally give me enough text allowance that I don't go over anymore but before it was either pay per text, 100 or 500... now I can pay for unlimited.
Someday they will bring back unlimited data or offer it at a considerable markup. Until then, I will continue using my data as I need it and will bail and go elsewhere if they ever cancelled it.

Zane_Grey said:
I've always been tempted to tether to my Xbox when I'm away from a connection but thought it would lag to much.
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I play online all the time with friends... I actually have had my daughter watching Netflix or Amazon videos on the tablet while I play Halo online.
I only had and issue once when my phone decided to reboot mid-game.
I literally had more issues and lag when I had Comcast Cable.
Give it a try sometime... Keep in mind that at home I have full signal 4G LTE so you may not have the same full signal I do. My Ping times to the Live servers are around 60ms.

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I play online all the time with friends... I actually have had my daughter watching Netflix or Amazon videos on the tablet while I play Halo online.
I only had and issue once when my phone decided to reboot mid-game.
I literally had more issues and lag when I had Comcast Cable.
Give it a try sometime... Keep in mind that at home I have full signal 4G LTE so you may not have the same full signal I do. My Ping times to the Live servers are around 60ms.
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How much data do u use I want to use my phone for online but thought it would so a big red flag because Im around 3gb a month I have unlimited so I'm not to worried there just don't want vzw knowing.
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tysdad08 said:
How much data do u use I want to use my phone for online but thought it would so a big red flag because Im around 3gb a month I have unlimited so I'm not to worried there just don't want vzw knowing.
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Read my original post at the top..... I use a LOT!

Cool story bro.

schizrade said:
Cool story bro.
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I'm not a fan of this saying. But this time, it's fitting.
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That is a ridiculous amount of data...

lrs421 said:
I'm not a fan of this saying. But this time, it's fitting.
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Neither am I, but yes, it seems very fitting.
OP, people that are unable to get a decent dataplan for a decent price thank you. Why you would brag about this is beyond me. Just get a FiOS or uVerse line.
But hey, carry on.
Just to add, what you do with your line(s) is between you and Verizon.

Damn home internet is affordable!
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**** i was hitting the 200 GBs w Sprint myself. Just remember people with out us, these companies aint ****. So give em a run for there money. At some point people get screwed over by the big companies and as we being human dont like to get played so it becomes a playground w these scums. Its a win lose or win win lose lose factor. Just gotta go with it. Its to show those comps how we as spenders want what we want. Again, we give them our money to provide the service. So if people wanna go there about to doing these things.. Let em. If our president doesnt listen to what we demand than **** we push it down there throats and push the limits to get something done.
Ex: Bank wants to sell my condo for 114k but best ive been offered is 99k, so what do i do is simple tell the bank either take the money or ill foreclose. Simple as that and they took the money, I split and we happy.
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I tether on sprint and hit like 30gb but don't do it officially because they cap it. I wouldn't do it if there was an affordable decent service where I live there is only one ISP which is over prized. So sometimes its necessary to do things that are frowned upon when what you need isn't offered.
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luckylui said:
**** i was hitting the 200 GBs w Sprint myself. Just remember people with out us, these companies aint ****. So give em a run for there money. At some point people get screwed over by the big companies and as we being human dont like to get played so it becomes a playground w these scums. Its a win lose or win win lose lose factor. Just gotta go with it. Its to show those comps how we as spenders want what we want. Again, we give them our money to provide the service. So if people wanna go there about to doing these things.. Let em. If our president doesnt listen to what we demand than **** we push it down there throats and push the limits to get something done.
Ex: Bank wants to sell my condo for 114k but best ive been offered is 99k, so what do i do is simple tell the bank either take the money or ill foreclose. Simple as that and they took the money, I split and we happy.
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I hit the thanks button out of sarcasm...

People actually wonder why they are capping wireless data and throttling users?
/boggle

I play Xbox live off a terrible 3g connection just fine. I use at most 10 gigs a month if I play ALOT. I pay for an unlimited plan. Suck it if your upset because you came to Verizon late.
Edit: Verizon is capping the data because they can. Not because we use a lot of data because they can get away with it. They cap it and make you pay when you go over. They aren't doing it to be fair to the people who don't use as much they do it to make money.
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How much data do u use I want to use my phone for online but thought it would so a big red flag because Im around 3gb a month I have unlimited so I'm not to worried there just don't want vzw knowing.
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All I got from OP's post was "I'm an honest scumbag. Honest. "
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Looking for new carrier, any help?

Hey guys. I was with T-mobile for a while but after they started throttling me aI switched to Sprint and got an Evo 3D. I'm sick of sprint now, but NEED Unlimited data because this is what I use for my home internet. Would anyone know of any good, cheap month-to-month GSM carriers that fit this discription? HSPA+ connectivity would be awesome too if that exists.
Can't wait to get back on the Nexus train!
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There are no month-to-month options that give you unlimited data without throttling.
The only possible option is signing contract on Verizon and tricking them into giving you unlimited data. At that point you can just buy cable high speed at home and a month to month cell plan for much less... and you never have to worry about anything.
Get a home ISP. For God's sake people, these wireless plans are not meant to be exploited as home network solutions. Unless you're an extremely light home user that'll only use 10-15gb between both the phone and home, you need to just pay for cable high speed...

Most carriers don't give unlimited data anymore. If that is a priority, you could see if Verizon/AT&T and/or T-Mobile give unlimited data for business users, and see if you could sign up as a business user.
And martonikaj is right, if you use 10s or 100s of GBs per month at home, better to get a landline internet option. That itself will save you money.

And for the few ones that claim to have unlimited data, the data coverage is ****ty. What's the point of having 'unlimited' when you have no data most of the time?

I'm sorry to say but everyone is right. Go buy home internet. Quit being el cheapo.
Its people like you that require cell providers to throttle, remove unlimited plans , and "optimize networks"
If you used the cell phone as designed and as intended as a mobile device not home internet you'd be fine
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Quit being el cheapo.
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That's classic.

I already pay for one Internet bill. I'm not paying for two. I do almost everything from my Mobile and I've done it this way for the last 5 years. And I'll continue to do it this way, thank you all very much.
Mobile phone's aren't dumb phones anymore, they are full on computers. Stop acting like it's 1999.
It's my fault that AT&T continues to waste cash on failed mergers or rebranding efforts? That Sprint bet on the wrong wireless standard? That T-Mobile was cheap and didn't want the iPhone when they had multiple chances to grab one and as a direct consequence it stunted their growth and with the continual loss of subscribers will eventually finish their company? It's my fault that companies couldn't look five years down the road and see a hint of the future? It's literally right there in the palm of your hand. It's my fault for signing a contract to use "unlimited" data when it was offered and offered gratefully? I even got a thank you when I re-signed. Twice.
The future is MOBILE, gentlemen. I just embrace it and use my iPhone, Galaxy Nexus, N9 and Lumia 800 the way it was designed and meant to be used as my central communications tool. Voice, text and data all working together without limits.

Quit making excuses for being cheap
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bmstrong said:
I already pay for one Internet bill. I'm not paying for two. I do almost everything from my Mobile and I've done it this way for the last 5 years. And I'll continue to do it this way, thank you all very much.
Mobile phone's aren't dumb phones anymore, they are full on computers. Stop acting like it's 1999.
It's my fault that AT&T continues to waste cash on failed mergers or rebranding efforts? That Sprint bet on the wrong wireless standard? That T-Mobile was cheap and didn't want the iPhone when they had multiple chances to grab one and as a direct consequence it stunted their growth and with the continual loss of subscribers will eventually finish their company? It's my fault that companies couldn't look five years down the road and see a hint of the future? It's literally right there in the palm of your hand. It's my fault for signing a contract to use "unlimited" data when it was offered and offered gratefully? I even got a thank you when I re-signed. Twice.
The future is MOBILE, gentlemen. I just embrace it and use my iPhone, Galaxy Nexus, N9 and Lumia 800 the way it was designed and meant to be used as my central communications tool. Voice, text and data all working together without limits.
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That's cool and all, but these phones aren't meant to be home routers for regular home internet use on multiple computers and devices. People really need to just buy a modem and pay for home internet. Having just a smartphone for their only data may be practical for some people but its nowhere near efficient (cost or hassle wise) for most. As I said earlier, its cheaper to get a prepaid plan for your cell phone and a home cable connection with no data cap than it is to pay Verizon or AT&T monthly for just cell service.
Cell companies don't offer unlimited data anymore because they don't need people taking their phones and burning 150gb a month on 3G/4G. That's just not where the industry is right now. And you're crazy if you think that unlimited data on phones will be coming back any time soon.

To the poster who said "everything should be mobile", I can only say that there's a fixed amount of spectrum that very large and powerful companies and the very large and powerful government in the US is fighting over. There's only so much data that can be transmitted on that spectrum. Therefore you will have limits on mobile. Even with LTE, the engineers are getting very close to maxing out what they can transmit over mobile. Now of course they can get more by sticking a cell on everything, but that is going to take a while.
All in all, if you use more than 10 GB you should use a wireline connection that has the bandwidth capability to feed high bandwidth uses over a long time frame.

[Q] Sprint's "Truly Unlimited Data"

Is it truly unlimited? I expect to exceed 1.5 Terrabytes on one of my lines in January and am curious if anyone has had Sprint complain in the past.

1.5 TERABYTES? WTF?!
Honestly, I use and abuse mine and have NEVER gotten that close. I would think they might go after you since obviously you are doing something dubious.

yea, holy ****. I hardly get past 200gigs a month on my cable at home. your wiener must be raw.

it's truly unlimited within reason, if you exceed a certain point they check on your usage, if it's tethering and you don't pay for tethering they screw you
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Slingbox would not be considered dubious to me. I own the box, downloaded and paid for the android app, and plan to keep it running for 29 days. Even @ a meager 500kbps, my math gets to 1.5 TB+.
So the question remains, is there any reason why Sprint would have grounds to complain?

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Slingbox would not be considered dubious to me. I own the box, downloaded and paid for the android app, and plan to keep it running for 29 days. Even @ a meager 500kbps, my math gets to 1.5 TB+.
So the question remains, is there any reason why Sprint would have grounds to complain?
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"Specific Terms & Restrictions On Using Data Services
In addition to the rules for using all of our other Services, unless we identify the Service or Device that you have selected as specifically intended for that purpose (for example, wireless routers, Data Link, etc.), you can't use our data Services: (1) with server devices or host computer applications or other systems that drive continuous, heavy traffic or data sessions; (2) as a substitute or backup for private lines or frame relay connections; or (3) for any other unintended use as we determine in our sole discretion. We reserve the right to limit, suspend, or constrain any heavy, continuous data usage that adversely impacts our networks performances or hinders access to our networks. If your Services include web or data access, you also can't use your Device as a modem for computers or other equipment, unless we identify the Service or Device you have selected as specifically intended for that purpose (for example, with "phone as modem" plans, Sprint Mobile Broadband card plans, wireless router plans, etc.)."
http://shop2.sprint.com/en/legal/legal_terms_privacy_popup.shtml

http://www.timehat.com/sprint-truly-unlimited-data-really/
Great question. Found an article which takes a look at this (from March 2012)
All the comments I've read seem to indicate the Sprint PoPo comes calling when you're using it too much while roaming. "Off-network" seems to be the catch here. On Sprint's network, I haven't read anything which states that is capped like the roaming is capped.
From link in above post:
Prohibited Network Uses. To ensure the activities of some users do not impair the ability of our customers to have access to reliable services provided at reasonable costs, you may not use our services in a manner that is unlawful, infringes on intellectual property rights, or harms or unduly interferes with the use of Sprint's network or systems. Sprint reserves the right, without notice or limitation, to limit data throughput speeds or quantities or to deny, terminate, end, modify, disconnect, or suspend service if an individual engages in any of the prohibited voice or data uses detailed below or if Sprint, in its sole discretion, determines action is necessary to protect its wireless networks from harm or degradation. Examples of prohibited voice uses: Sprint voice services are provided solely for live dialogue between, and initiated by, individuals for personal use and as otherwise described in this policy. Sprint services may not be used for any other purposes, including, but not limited to: monitoring services, transmission of broadcasts, transmission of recorded material, telemarketing, autodialed calls, other commercial uses, or other connections that do not consist of uninterrupted live dialogue between individuals. Examples of prohibited data uses: Sprint data services are provided solely for purposes of web surfing, sending and receiving email, photographs and other similar messaging activities, and the non-continuous streaming of videos, downloading of files or on line gaming. Our data services may not be used: (i) to generate excessive amounts of Internet traffic through the continuous, unattended streaming, downloading or uploading of videos or other files or to operate hosting services including, but not limited to, web or gaming hosting; (ii) to maintain continuous active network connections to the Internet such as through a web camera or machine-to-machine connections that do not involve active participation by a person; (iii) to disrupt email use by others using automated or manual routines, including, but not limited to "auto-responders" or cancel bots or other similar routines; (iv) to transmit or facilitate any unsolicited or unauthorized advertising, telemarketing, promotional materials, "junk mail", unsolicited commercial or bulk email, or fax; (v) for activities adversely affecting the ability of other people or systems to use either Sprint's wireless services or other parties' Internet-based resources, including, but not limited to, "denial of service" (DoS) attacks against another network host or individual user; (vi) for an activity that connects any device to Personal Computers (including without limitation, laptops), or other equipment for the purpose of transmitting wireless data over the network (unless customer is using a plan designated for such usage); or (vi) for any other reason that, in our sole discretion violates our policy of providing service for individual use. Unlimited Use Plans. If you subscribe to rate plans, services or features that are described as unlimited, you should be aware that such "unlimited" plans are subject to these Sprint Prohibited Network Uses.
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Thank you 00mred00,
I think that clears it up for me. They could terminate the service or restrict service but not charge me more.

Thanks lenny....I read similar information where the data roaming had a soft cap (300 mb) but no data restriction on their network. I have also seen references to external devices being a problem. If the worst that happens is they terminate the line, looks like I'm goo to go and try to get to 1.5 TB.

There's also the fact that you'll cause a huge degradation in service to other users on the same site/sector as you, especially if you're on 3G. Even using ~20 GB a month on 3G is enough to negatively affect other users. How do you not have some kind of WiFi offload if you're using over a terabyte of data?

I have plenty of wifi available but for the $350 termination fee I am paying I am going to push the limits intentionally. I am in a small war with Sprint and before I fork over the $350, I'm going to see how much data I can pull. Childish....Absolutely! Make me feel better.....Absolutely!

I have 5 lines we usually avg 200-250gb a month between them, and have for years. Sprint has never said a thing about our usage. Even when I directly asked if my usage was excessive they told me no, and if it was I would receive a warning letter or a courtesy call. However I use like 3mb a month roaming very few minutes to landlines and 2 of my lines are grandfathered on unlimited tethering plans for work. Of course I'm part of a buisness account that has a total of over 25k employees and their families linked so I'm sure sprint prefers our buisness over the data usage we all use for work.
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I average 40 - 50gb of data a month solo but I am also an employee sooo.. I cannot really chime in.
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JAREDR said:
yea, holy ****. I hardly get past 200gigs a month on my cable at home. your wiener must be raw.
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You win the internets!!!!!!!!!
swyped all these spelling errors from my galaxy note 2

JAREDR said:
yea, holy ****. I hardly get past 200gigs a month on my cable at home. your wiener must be raw.
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Funniest post I have ever seen on xda. Putting this in my SIG soon lol
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ntron1 said:
I have plenty of wifi available but for the $350 termination fee I am paying I am going to push the limits intentionally. I am in a small war with Sprint and before I fork over the $350, I'm going to see how much data I can pull. Childish....Absolutely! Make me feel better.....Absolutely!
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So, because you're unhappy with Sprint's service-
Because you signed a contract in the last 6 months that you apparently don't want, and don't agree to the ETFs... that you agreed to-
Because you're unwilling to talk with Sprint representatives and possibly work something out...
You'd rather make life miserable for other people on Sprint in your area? You'd rather affect other customers more than Sprint as a whole?
Definitely childish. And foolish.

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So, because you're unhappy with Sprint's service-
Because you signed a contract in the last 6 months that you apparently don't want, and don't agree to the ETFs... that you agreed to-
Because you're unwilling to talk with Sprint representatives and possibly work something out...
You'd rather make life miserable for other people on Sprint in your area? You'd rather affect other customers more than Sprint as a whole?
Definitely childish. And foolish.
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LOL!
I Paid the $350 ETF (Actually my company pays for all my Mobile Phone items and costs). My monthly bill is $1,000+ so the money is never an issue. The idea emanated from my knowledge that this line would be terminated on January 26th. I am now @ 24 hours and 8 GB.
The question was is their data truly unlimited and if you are not interested in the answer than there is no need to keep this thread open.
Mod's feel free to close this thread. It appears to be degrading quickly.
Have a Great Day!

So that's why the sprint network is so slow...

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