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Verizon and Tethering

Looks like Verizon just took a kick to the balls.
http://gigaom.com/mobile/fcc-tells-verizon-you-cant-block-tethering-apps-verizon-settles-for-1-25m/

That would be nice if true.

TiltedAz said:
That would be nice if true.
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http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/31/verizon-to-stop-blocking-tethering-apps-settles-with-fcc-for-1/
looks pretty real to me. engadget included a press release

I don't put a lot of weight in the lemming blog world. On the other hand, anecdotal stories of apps downloaded on non-rooted GNs while working at non-throttled 4G speeds... Unfortunately, Verizon can detect tethering and have their way in the end.

TiltedAz said:
I don't put a lot of weight in the lemming blog world. On the other hand, anecdotal stories of apps downloaded on non-rooted GNs while working at non-throttled 4G speeds... Unfortunately, Verizon can detect tethering and have their way in the end.
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Do you put stock in government press releases?
http://www.fcc.gov/document/verizon-wireless-pay-125-million-settle-investigation

looks like Droid Life has the article also. Now to find one that works properly (even though I have nothing to tether for lol)
Pdanet shows up as available for me now

carriers can detect tethering but it takes a lot of money and time to deploy the software. even with that i'm not sure how they can block it down to the account and phone number level as the blocking would have to be done at the mtso's. they would have to allow some accounts and numbers to tether and block other accounts on unlimited. i don't think they have the software and capability to implement blocking at a account level at the mtso's.
HOWEVER, they can later bill you for tethering on unlimited plans. but i'm sure many people tether on their rooted and not-rooted phones. there are many free wifi tether apps. i haven't heard any mass outcry about people getting caught and charged.
so if they haven't done anything about it so far, it's doubtful that they are. maybe it's just too costly to implement. cost outweighs the benefits?

h_10 said:
carriers can detect tethering but it takes a lot of money and time to deploy the software. even with that i'm not sure how they can block it down to the account and phone number level as the blocking would have to be done at the mtso's. they would have to allow some accounts and numbers to tether and block other accounts on unlimited. i don't think they have the software and capability to implement blocking at a account level at the mtso's.
HOWEVER, they can later bill you for tethering on unlimited plans. but i'm sure many people tether on their rooted and not-rooted phones. there are many free wifi tether apps. i haven't heard any mass outcry about people getting caught and charged.
so if they haven't done anything about it so far, it's doubtful that they are. maybe it's just too costly to implement. cost outweighs the benefits?
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It doesn't matter now. They can detect it all day long, but they can't do anything about it. Not without violating the settlement.

you can only tether on a limited plan. their blocking or charging tethering on an unlimited plan does not break the settlement.

h_10 said:
you can only tether on a limited plan. their blocking or charging tethering on an unlimited plan does not break the settlement.
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Thats fine. I will tether on my wife's phone
I'd like to see them try and block apps per account type though. Simply not possible.

This seems like a semi-appropriate place to ask...
What is the best tethering app for the Nexus?

Open door for Google Wallet?
"The FCC has ruled that Verizon violated the rules governing the C Block of LTE spectrum by preventing consumers from using any application of their choice. "
Doesn't this make blocking access to Google Wallet a violation of the agreement as well?

And now I see why tethering is included for free in the new shared plans. For a moment, I thought Verizon lost its greedy ways.

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carriers can detect tethering but it takes a lot of money and time to deploy the software. even with that i'm not sure how they can block it down to the account and phone number level as the blocking would have to be done at the mtso's. they would have to allow some accounts and numbers to tether and block other accounts on unlimited. i don't think they have the software and capability to implement blocking at a account level at the mtso's.
HOWEVER, they can later bill you for tethering on unlimited plans. but i'm sure many people tether on their rooted and not-rooted phones. there are many free wifi tether apps. i haven't heard any mass outcry about people getting caught and charged.
so if they haven't done anything about it so far, it's doubtful that they are. maybe it's just too costly to implement. cost outweighs the benefits?
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I think the main way they detect tethering right now is to look at data usage that is above and beyond what someone using a cell phone/tablet would ever achieve.
Me, when I tether on my phone; I'm using a small amount of data (either using a site that doesn't exactly work well on a mobile browser, or just using my netbook while eating out)... I'm not using it to download torrents or as my main internet connection.

adrynalyne said:
Do you put stock in government press releases?
http://www.fcc.gov/document/verizon-wireless-pay-125-million-settle-investigation
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I never doubted the ruling. It was the end result I questioned.
Sure sounds like Verizon has the flexibility to plop a fee on tethered unlimited data users. It was $20 but could go a lot higher.
After reading ("Block C") Title 47 paragraph 27.16, as always, Verizon can still throttle as needed for network management.
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"The FCC has ruled that Verizon violated the rules governing the C Block of LTE spectrum by preventing consumers from using any application of their choice. "
Doesn't this make blocking access to Google Wallet a violation of the agreement as well?
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I think so. It's been argued that way in the past.

I use my hotspot all the time from my gnex especially when using my tablet. Running about 8gb a month and they take away my unlimited I'll have to go hunting for free net elsewhere...lol
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So,whats the best app to use for a stock VGNEX??

g1xx3r said:
So,whats the best app to use for a stock VGNEX??
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I like FoxFi. Free on Google Play, no root, works like a champ.
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amaddux said:
"The FCC has ruled that Verizon violated the rules governing the C Block of LTE spectrum by preventing consumers from using any application of their choice. "
Doesn't this make blocking access to Google Wallet a violation of the agreement as well?
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AFAIK Google wallet only uses cell to get region all location (from basic service signal). Also, Google is not a cell service provider licensing spectrum from a government body, so they're not violating any FCC provisions.
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Winesnob said:
I like FoxFi. Free on Google Play, no root, works like a champ.
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Thanks,works like a charm!!

Tethering and Packet Data, Huge Bill!

Hey! So I have an unlimited data plan on virgin mobile canada that doe not include tethering. In the past I have always tethered using apps like fox fi without any charges so I had assumed I was safe to continue doing so. This month I received a large phone bill because they decided to charge me for tethering. I cant figure out how they determined that i was tethering though. My only clue is that in the last month I have used roms with the built in tethering enabled, specifically free gs3 which includes the tmo tethering app. Could using that app have alerted my carrier that i was tethering whenever I used it?
Also, and I dont mean to beg but I'm broke so if anyone wants to help me out with this bill feel free not that I'm expecting anything but It'd be greatly appreciated aha
Thanks again!

They can't just up and charge you. They must warn you first. You can get in trouble for tethering when you shouldn't but they can't force you to pay for service you didn't ask for. Call them and play dumb. Deny everything. They will warn you to never do it again and read to you the tos....blah blah blah. Basically....call and act stupid.
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My curiosity is getting the best of me if you dont mind me asking how much was the Bill? if you prefer not to say no big deal im just curious how much one can rack up with tethering for a month.......and as far as your question, End answered it perfectly, call and play completely stupid as you have no idea if you have unlimited data how in the heck can they charge, then if they mention the word "tether" say you dont even know what that is and if its a feature that your not suppose to have then why would they allow you to? That seems predatory, I know you used an app but this is all part of it. You can always try things like " I am going to have to contact the BBB" or "Well I am going to hYouave to take my business elsewhere because I have never been accused or treated like this before with a company". Things like that usually work because their number 1 goal is to keep you happy and to keep you as a customer. I just wouldnt even mention the word "Tether" unless they do, but dont ever say too much play stupid and simple you know I use my phone for calls and texts and web browsing. Things like that.
Take Care and Good Luck
PS. If you are El Broke O' and they dont budge on the phone after doing the ABOVE you can always setup a payment plan with them. They should always allow that. You just tell them what you can afford and they will usually always agree. Believe me they just want to get their money doesnt matter how or when as long as you are paying. Because most people just say screw them and go somewhere else without paying.

No offense, however, in your OP you clearly stated that tethering was not included in your package and you tethered. What did you expect your carrier to do? Surprise!
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SaneinOne said:
No offense, however, in your OP you clearly stated that tethering was not included in your package and you tethered. What did you expect your carrier to do? Surprise!
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He knows that, he just wants to know how the carrier figured out he was tethering.

using native carrier tethering apps hacked to give free access would absolutely alert them to your behavior...that and excessive amounts of data used in a small amount of time
also keep in mind excessive amounts of data can also mean signifigantly more than your average use from past months...they got their clue somehow, time to own up and pay my friend!

thanks guys! Yeah im not mad that i was charged doing something i wasnt suposed too, i guess it must have been the stock app. Anyways I was told the email address of some corporate guy at virgin so hopefully I can work something out with him, thanks for all your advice!

I would imagine it has something to do with a different APN setting.
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So would the cm10 setup give you up?
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If tethering is not part of your plan then I would suggest operating under the premise that tethering is tethering as far as a carrier is concerned.
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So would the cm10 setup give you up?
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More likely than not, it was the wi-fi drivers that gave you away. I'm not sure about the exact details, but I believe that when you tether via wifi (using the phone's wifi interface as an access point), the datagrams from traffic routed through the wifi interface look identifiably different from traffic originating within the phone itself.
I don't know anybody who's ever gotten caught tethering via ADB (Easytether, etc). I've seen a lot of people get busted for tethering via wifi.
Remember, carriers go for low-hanging fruit, and wifi tethering is an easy target. It's not even a matter of spyware or deep packet inspection. I think it's actually a single bit in the datagram that's clear for phone-originated traffic, and set for routed traffic. ADB-based apps aren't affected, because all network traffic passing through them is by definition to or from the host via ADB. In contrast, wifi/bluetooth-tethered traffic returned to the phone might be for a local app, or it might be for one routed through the phone. The phone's network stack uses the bit as an easy, low-impact way to make its job easy and figure out whether it needs to pass the traffic to a local app on the phone, or just hand it over to the wifi driver for further routing.
I believe that if you wanted to safely tether via wifi, you'd basically have to run a PPP server on the phone, connect to it from the client PC via wifi, then the PPP server running on the phone would take the traffic and treat it the same way EasyTether would, so to Android it looked exactly like app-originated traffic (because it basically is; the fact that the app is originating it on behalf of a connected client is none of Android's business).
If you want to make your tethering foolproof, tether to the phone via ADB, and tunnel it to the internet via some thirdparty VPN (I use a company called ibvpn.com; it's around $3/month if you pay by the year, and also comes in handy for safely using unencrypted wifi in public places with a tablet).

They can tell no matter how you do it and most of the carriers, at least in the US, are now activly looking for people doing this. They can tell by the obvious jump in traffic, but other ways as well. Broswer signatures, etc. It's really very simple for them to pick it up just by watching your data flow, has nothing to do with your handset it's self.

If your PC/Mac-originated traffic is being regenerated by an Android-hosted app like EasyTether (so it officially originated with the Android app, as opposed to having been routed by the wifi driver and kernel iptables), it would be extraordinarily difficult for the carrier to figure out its true nature without deep packet inspection. If you tunnel it over an IPsec VPN using PPTP or L2TP, it would be damn near impossible for them to establish tethering with enough certainty to ever prevail in court unless you were literally tethering daily as your primary means of getting online, as opposed to tethering once in a while when you lacked better access options (airport, beach, car, etc).
Traffic analysis can certainly SUGGEST tethering and get you flagged for an automatic nastygram informing you that it's going to be added to your plan unless you complain, but if you're using an ADB-type tethering method and tunneling, you could tell your carrier to go f**k themselves and prove it with a very high degree of confidence. If you have a data plan that's tiered, I can't fathom them investing the resources to prove that you're tethering once in a while. In the AT&T context, somebody who's tethering on a regular basis with a tiered data plan is going to go over 5 gigs and end up paying the same amount he'd have paid to openly tether anyway, and somebody who's only tethering occasionally & not exceeding 3 gigs/month wouldn't be worth the effort to track down.
Add the fact that most carriers (in the US, at least) either rate-limit your traffic after 5 gigs (or less), or (in the case of Sprint) will actively dump you as a customer if you routinely exceed 5 gigs month after month after month (as if anyone could actually exceed 5 gigs over their glacial, dysfunctional network anyway), and the business case for aggressive tethering enforcement that goes beyond looking for routing signatures in the datagram becomes almost nonexistent.
Now, if you have an unlimited data plan that they're itching to terminate and force you into a tiered plan, they might try a little harder... but if their payback potential is an extra $10/month (because you have a tiered plan and you're already paying them $40/month for 3 gigs plus an extra gig, instead of paying $50/month for 5 gigs you might not fully use), they aren't going to bother, especially if you push back. Remember, there are data privacy laws, and most of the things they'd have to do to prove tethering if you're actively obfuscating and tunneling your traffic are borderline greyhat hacking. A big corporation isn't going to risk getting smacked down by federal regulators over pocket change. They're going to shake down the easy targets, and move along.
Insofar as deep packet inspection goes, remember... it might be easy to gather enough evidence for them to auto-send a nastygram and auto-subscription notice, but it's HARD to gather enough evidence for them to risk pursuing a case against someone who's actively fighting back. Five years ago, it might have been easy to notice tethering from a J2ME, Blackberry, or PalmOS smartphone by looking for implausible traffic. Nowadays, there's very little traffic that couldn't plausibly be generated directly by an Android phone. RDP and VNC? Check. IPsec VPN? Check. SQL client? Check. SSH? Check. Bittorrent? Check. (Suicidal and insane, but plausible). Desktop browser identifiers? Nope. Android's own browser can spoof desktop browsers with casual ease (about:debug, then menu->Settings).
The way to win against your carrier is to make victory too expensive for them to bother with. They're looking for easy ways to boost revenue, not embarking on a moral crusade to stamp out tethering. Make victory more expensive for them than stalemate, and they'll leave you alone.

So when I turn on the mobile AP in CM, they can track that? What if I used the AP and turned on my BTGuard VPN? Then it's just encrypted traffic. I only used it for tethering my WIFI tablet. So the apps that used the connection were nearly/if not identical to the ones on my phone. Most of the time I'm running CM on my tablet as well.

So your saying if i tether via usb using an app like tether by clockworkmod from the play store i should be good?
And if I argue enough and don't shutup then they will most likely drop the charges?

I can't give any concrete assurances. I've never seen how the others work, and I can't promise that they don't do anything that would give it away. All I can say is that I've tethered in moderation for years via ADB using EasyTether and ibvpn.com ($3/month if you pay 12 months at a time, and handy for using your tablet via wifi in public places where encryption isn't otherwise used). I've never been hassled. Chances are, when I DO use it, I end up using less data anyway than somebody who streams videos from Netflix, Amazon, and Blockbuster.
At the end of the day, if you have an unlimited data plan and you're using it as your primary means of internet access, they're eventually going to find a pretense for getting rid of you regardless of what you say or do. Used in moderation once in a while, with reasonable precautions to make your tethering non-blatantly-obvious, you should be fine. Like I said, you're dealing with private companies, not government agencies out for jihad. They aren't going to waste 3 hours of a $20/hour employee's time researching your use just so they can quibble with you over a few dollars per month, especially if they're already getting most of it from you anyway in the form of fees for additional gigabytes of data. They're going to cast their net far and wide, skim off the easy pickings who don't know any better than to use bare wifi without obfuscation, then focus on the guys using 10-20 gigs of data per month or more.
Be discreet, keep your head down, act insulted if they confront you, and you should be fine.

^ pretty much what I thought
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Getting caught tethering?

Whats the worst that can happen? Last time I was tethering to my PS3 and was downloading a games and got a text from T-Mobile that I should get wifi hotspot if I want to continue to tether.
I can still tether though but what could happen? What about torrents?

whytechapel_x said:
Whats the worst that can happen? Last time I was tethering to my PS3 and was downloading a games and got a text from T-Mobile that I should get wifi hotspot if I want to continue to tether.
I can still tether though but what could happen? What about torrents?
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They can most likely cancel your contract because you violated their TOS. That, or automatically upgrade you to a tethering plan..

lordcheeto03 said:
They can most likely cancel your contract because you violated their TOS. That, or automatically upgrade you to a tethering plan..
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Why is it that there's other people that download 80gb's or more a month?

whytechapel_x said:
Why is it that there's other people that download 80gb's or more a month?
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Because they know how to use Google. There are millions of threads explaining in detail how to tether on T-Mobile network.
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All they will do is throttle/disable the tether till beginning of next billing cycle. They won't terminate your contract. The new plans they have come with 500 MB's for free.
It does not I repeat does not violate any terms of service. All they do is send you a message saying if you like to continue tethering please upgrade to a higher package or something to that effect. But no way with a just cancel your contract because that means they lose money. So don't worry about getting terminated from a contract because nobody major corporation whatever do that unless you like stole from them.
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whytechapel_x said:
Whats the worst that can happen? Last time I was tethering to my PS3 and was downloading a games and got a text from T-Mobile that I should get wifi hotspot if I want to continue to tether.
I can still tether though but what could happen? What about torrents?
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It's exactly this reason that we have to hide our tethering. Don't be cheap. Buy internet for your home. It actually makes more sense. If you are gaming our latency and game side to server path will be a lot more consistent and reliable. Tethering is not meant to replace your home network. It is meant to be used while out and about. Also it is very selfish to tax the network and cripple your fellow Tmobile users to by hooking up devices that are meant to be enjoyed on a home network. IMHO:cyclops:

I agree 100%,
I love my tmobile service and have been with them since it was called voicestream.
The more people that tether PS3's the worse it is for the network, that just makes the end user experience slower service and chock it up as tmobile LTE/4G being crap.
Tmobile have done a great job recently with all these rollouts and the restructuring of its plans, if we are to move up to #3 out of the top 4 carriers we need to let everone enjoy the network, for the first time in a long time tmobile sets to show a positive number of signups this quater.
If you want to keep enjoying lower rates, please get yourself a $19.99 DSL plan. Last thing we need is for tmobile to be bought out by sprint or someone else. Then we all lose.
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LAkingsfan3131 said:
It's exactly this reason that we have to hide our tethering. Don't be cheap. Buy internet for your home. It actually makes more sense. If you are gaming our latency and game side to server path will be a lot more consistent and reliable. Tethering is not meant to replace your home network. It is meant to be used while out and about. Also it is very selfish to tax the network and cripple your fellow Tmobile users to by hooking up devices that are meant to be enjoyed on a home network. IMHO:cyclops:
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Lmao now your calling me cheap? When in hell did I ever mention I don't have internet at home? If your not gonna answer the question how about you leave. Same goes to the poster above

There is no reason to tether your ps3 to your phone if you have internet at home.
Its abusing the system, people who are downloading 80gb as you say are the ones who make all of us suffer and its the reason tmobile stops tethering.
To answer your question they can and will cancel your service if the see fit, its written in their TOS here is a link below.
http://www.t-mobile.com/Templates/Popup.aspx?PAsset=Ftr_Ftr_TermsAndConditions&print=true
Here is a snippet if you dont want to look through the whole thing.
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Protective Measures: To provide a good experience for the majority of our customers and minimize capacity issues and degradation in network performance, we may take measures including temporarily reducing data throughput for a subset of customers who use a disproportionate amount of bandwidth. In addition, if your total usage exceeds 5GB (amount is subject to change without notice; please check T-Mobile's T&Cs on www.T-Mobile.com for updates) during a billing cycle, we may reduce your data speed for the remainder of that billing cycle. If you use your Data Plan in a manner that could interfere with other customers' service, affect our ability to allocate network capacity among customers, or degrade service quality for other customers, we may suspend, terminate, or restrict your data session, or switch you to a more appropriate Data Plan.
Hope this helps, I also tether, I dont see anything wrong with it, it is wrong when you do it on a daily basis to avoid paying for internet and specially if your tethering 80gb worth.
Also most of the new roms ie wicked v4 have native tethering. There also trevE mod that helps bypass the provision.
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TMobile to issue warnings to unlimited data customers using P2P technology

http://www.androidauthority.com/t-m...d-data-customers-using-p2p-technology-417830/

dam then i guess it isn't unlimited internet as they say i might have to go back to sprint ?

Sprint won't be to far behind

This wouldn't be a problem if everybody on smartphones used vpns like they should be in the first place. But sadly its not that common of practice and peoples login information is just pooled there in the cell block waiting for the right (or wrong however you want to view it) person to harvest them. Not to mention open wifi spots holy crap I would never log into my bank account in a bar without my vpn but I am sure most people do it not even realizing how easy it is to get all your login information even a novice could do it with backtrack. I even use my vpn when I am on my home network because it is none of comcast concern what I do when I use the data I pay for.
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I should have said access to anything your logged into. I don't personally know of a way to get login info via wifi but it might be possible.

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dam then i guess it isn't unlimited internet as they say i might have to go back to sprint ?
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I don't know where you live, but Iin the Dallas market you're lucky to get signal with sprint and very lucky to get 4 MB download
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BACARDILIMON said:
Sprint won't be to far behind
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Sprint is already there since June 1st of this year. They throttle their top 5% of data users. Who's in the top 5% according to Sprint? Anyone who uses 5GB or more a month. Which is just about everybody who isn't a grandparent with a smartphone.
That is one of the reasons I left Sprint last month. They started throttling me at my work location, which was the ONLY decent signal spot I had with Sprint, where I was getting speed tests of 15-20Mbps and on June 20th (my new billing period in which it took effect) my speeds went down to 3-5Mbps till July 23rd, when I left for Tmo.
Netflix looked like a crayon show with the terrible quality with Sprint after June 19th...
With Sprint, they throttle all your data connections.
At least with Tmo, they're only throttling their continuous use data connections, eg: hotspot users who are using their mobile connection as their broadband connection with webcasts, torrenting, etc. For now.
I was thinking of doing that. I get 100MBps down and 10Mbps up on my cable internet at home. I get 60MBps down and 25MBps up on my Tmobile data connection at home and was thinking of dropping my cable, but I need it for my CCTV remote viewing and when I leave my PC on doing... things. I'm not going to abuse Tmo's connection, but I will abuse TWC's. :victory:

Why would anyone doing P2P not be using a VPN?

psufan5 said:
Why would anyone doing P2P not be using a VPN?
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Most likely because the vast majority of people do not know about VPNs. Or even what they are.

psufan5 said:
Why would anyone doing P2P not be using a VPN?
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do u any of any free vpn apps? which one would you recommend i seen most of them charge a monthly fee thanks in advance

COCODRILO45 said:
do u any of any free vpn apps? which one would you recommend i seen most of them charge a monthly fee thanks in advance
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Free vpns are no good for p2p for many reasons but just one example is they either don't allow use of p2p or they only allow 100mb per day or week.
And the connection speed sucks

IMO, the best way to use p2p is using torrents & a seedbox. Most seedbox providers, however, do not allow public torrents. That being said, tmobile will not recognize a private torrent site, to begin with, as "p2p". So all of you guys using private sites (which require invites) can rest assured.

What good vpn. With lte. And goood speed ?

emezrahi said:
That being said, tmobile will not recognize a private torrent site, to begin with, as "p2p". So all of you guys using private sites (which require invites) can rest assured.
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Sorry to burst your bubble but you couldn't be more wrong. It has nothing to do with the site and everything to do with the torrent program and how you send/receive packets.
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What good vpn. With lte. And goood speed ?
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I'm a private internet access fan. Unlimited bandwidth fast connections no logs and only about 50 bucks a year.

i replied incorrectly. Please delete this post

emezrahi said:
Oh shoot... sorry i wasnt clear... the seedbox should be used running (rtorrent) & then you can DL using HTTP or FTP...
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Gotcha but I doubt T-Mobile cares if you download the torrent file itself (completely legal no matter the content you get from it and so tiny) but its definitely better to be safe than sorry. I don't browse torrent sites unless I'm on the VPN for that reason.

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Sorry to burst your bubble but you couldn't be more wrong. It has nothing to do with the site and everything to do with the torrent program and how you send/receive packets.
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I'm a private internet access fan. Unlimited bandwidth fast connections no logs and only about 50 bucks a year.
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What vpn. Do you use?? Good speed and tethering

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What vpn. Do you use?? Good speed and tethering
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Private internet access and I was wrong its only 40 bucks a year https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/pages/buy-vpn/
The one downfall is it only works with ipv4 and that requires flashing a patch that will break built in tethering.

ThePagel said:
Private internet access and I was wrong its only 40 bucks a year https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/pages/buy-vpn/
The one downfall is it only works with ipv4 and that requires flashing a patch that will break built in tethering.
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Too bad no tethering

Tmobile tethering hack busted

So as the title says, it seems Tmobile has caught on to very few peoples tethering finally including mine and my brothers phone twice. Anybody else get caught and anybody find a fix please feel free to comment in here and let's help each other with whatever we find
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and what were you doing that you got caught by T-Mobile......which tether method etc.....

Running one of these aosp ROMs that has the built in tethering hack in it. Then one day, it just stopped
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How much data were you using a month?

I reached 113gb
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I'm using hotspot shield on my pc and working perfectly fine.
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VPN slows down the speeds a lot. But from what I've been able to find out, I can tether just fine for laptops and cell phones but whenever I try with my ps4 it won't let me log in
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bigstunta101 said:
I reached 113gb
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Dude, just pay up for a real internet connection at home. Don't abuse a good thing from T mobile.

Androidnewuser1 said:
Dude, just pay up for a real internet connection at home. Don't abuse a good thing from T mobile.
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Thanks pastor. We really needed to hear your sermon -_-
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Androidnewuser1 said:
Dude, just pay up for a real internet connection at home. Don't abuse a good thing from T mobile.
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I agree with the Pastor. 113 GB's? Users like you slow it down for the rest of us and are the reason the carriers restrict tethering in the first place IMHO. Just sayin'.

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I agree with the Pastor. 113 GB's? Users like you slow it down for the rest of us and are the reason the carriers restrict tethering in the first place IMHO. Just sayin'.
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You are quite daft if you believe that 113gb a month slows down tmobiles network. You have absolutely zero idea all that's taken into account to slow down a network but please take your preaching elsewhere. The OP stated a place to talk about tethering not about self righteous people like you to spew inaccurate opinions. Go create your own thread.
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ickster said:
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I agree with the Pastor. 113 GB's? Users like you slow it down for the rest of us and are the reason the carriers restrict tethering in the first place IMHO. Just sayin'.
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Uuuuuh no. I used to work for Tmobile and this might be hard for you to comprehend in all your self righteousness but there are actually people who use 1 terabyte or more a month and that's who tmobiles worried about. Don't believe me, that's fine, go do some reading for yourself. Tmobiles not a backyard company who's multi billion dollar network can't handle a measly 113gb. Besides I rack up about 47gb a month just on my phone alone with no tethering. Yes I have a life and job, no I don't live in my moms basement, so keep the childish comments to yourself.
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nighthawk626 said:
So as the title says, it seems Tmobile has caught on to very few peoples tethering finally including mine and my brothers phone twice. Anybody else get caught and anybody find a fix please feel free to comment in here and let's help each other with whatever we find
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Yes I ran into this issue with the Note 3 and Note 4, but I started using FoxFi and it's been working fine on my Note 4 for the past week.
I just made my tethering mod for this new lollipop for my wife's Note 3, and yesterday I wound up using her 3gb tethering and then I got blocked by the Tmobile message, and tried it again just a few moments ago, and to my surprise it was working again,
She doesn't like me messing with her phone, so I have to wait till she is asleep to play with it.
So it is working with lollipop with FoxFi. I will keep playing with it and see what happens. It is in testing stages.
I wasn't able to make my rom work with @dsixda kitchen, so i was using @mastergrillo stock rom and edited a few files and its working with @jovy23 turorial, that's how I've been able to make things work. I need permission from @mastergrillo to use his rom before I can post the Tethering Mod Rom.

I tried it last night and the only thing that wont tether is signing into the ps4 network but Netflix and YouTube works just fine, also tethering to a laptop. So it does look like they're finding a way to block it. But the thing is I never got a message from Tmobile saying that I used up my 5gb of data. Very weird
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I'm willing to try tether mod it you're wife do not let u use her phone

Using a built-in hot-spot to tether is not a big deal as long as you use it accordingly and for the purpose it was meant.
2.5 G of data is plenty for the average user powering a tablet, laptop or media player on the go or outdoors away from a wifi signal.
It comes in handy while on long road trips and the misses wants to watch some Netflix or Amazon prime.
But trying to run your entire household off of T-Mobile's network is kind of lame, I guess that this over tethering abuse is OK with XDA and when you least expect it T-mobile is going to make a case of it and drag somebody into court and the lawyers will have a field day with it.
If you're allowed 2.5gb and you want to use 200+gb, technically it can be called "theft of services" , give yourself peace of mind and buy some Internet service from a provider, 30 or 40 dollars a month isn't such a hardship.
I personally use it sparingly but really appreciate having it to use and not abuse.
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Pp.

PanchoPlanet said:
Using a built-in hot-spot to tether is not a big deal as long as you use it accordingly and for the purpose it was meant.
2.5 G of data is plenty for the average user powering a tablet, laptop or media player on the go or outdoors away from a wifi signal.
It comes in handy while on long road trips and the misses wants to watch some Netflix or Amazon prime.
But trying to run your entire household off of T-Mobile's network is kind of lame, I guess that this over tethering abuse is OK with XDA and when you least expect it T-mobile is going to make a case of it and drag somebody into court and the lawyers will have a field day with it.
If you're allowed 2.5gb and you want to use 200+gb, technically it can be called "theft of services" , give yourself peace of mind and buy some Internet service from a provider, 30 or 40 dollars a month isn't such a hardship.
I personally use it sparingly but really appreciate having it to use and not abuse.
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The problem is that for the 2.5GB data users paid for, there is only 500MB allowed for tethering.
Users want to use their paid 2.5gb data, either on the phone or using tethering, because they already pay for the 2.5gb data and they should be able use their paid data the way they want.
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According to the plan comparison chart on t mobile site you can tether all of your data quota except for the unlimited plan where you are capped at 5G, which makes some sense.
I would very much like to have the freedom to learn how to bypass tether restrictions but at the same time running an entire household worth of data off t mobile network isn't right. Just imagine what AT&T would do to you if you used 100G on their LTE plan.
Please don't get me wrong, I'm not giving a moral lecture. I am making a practical point. We all switched from AT&T or Verizon because we like what T Mobile is doing. If we abuse the system T Mobile will fail and we will have to go back to AT&T. I make a living designing telecom electronics for a company you all know so I can tell you with 100 percent confidence that if we all run our entire home Internet on t mobile network it will break and they will have to reduce the data rate for every one. It's a simple application of the available bandwidth, Shannon's theorem, and the number of users in a given cell.
So as a practical issue, let's figure out how to by pass tethering and then use it responsibly.

Pretty much. I'm not saying hey let's just use up tmobiles data and run it as much as we can. Just because some might be OK with using less than 5 GB a month doesn't mean everyone uses it the same amount. And yes its very possible to run up 5gb of data in just a few hours of watching Netflix in one night. I work from 6am -9pm every day. When I get home, I just wanna watch some Netflix, youtube and sleep. Netflix just happens to have the HD feature which runs up data like crazy. I can't justify paying Comcast or others another data fee just to watch TV a few hours of the night. Having said that, I'll make sure to use an extra 5gb next month for each of you in here that want to preach to me.
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bigstunta101 said:
Pretty much. I'm not saying hey let's just use up tmobiles data and run it as much as we can. Just because some might be OK with using less than 5 GB a month doesn't mean everyone uses it the same amount. And yes its very possible to run up 5gb of data in just a few hours of watching Netflix in one night. I work from 6am -9pm every day. When I get home, I just wanna watch some Netflix, youtube and sleep. Netflix just happens to have the HD feature which runs up data like crazy. I can't justify paying Comcast or others another data fee just to watch TV a few hours of the night. Having said that, I'll make sure to use an extra 5gb next month for each of you in here that want to preach to me.
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Get a $30 month flip phone and spend the money your saving on some Internet for your home.
I don't subscribe to cable, I just have a middle plan from Cablevision thats $50 month with Netflix, Prime with a smart Tv , a Roku in the bedroom and an antenna, and get board watching TV.
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