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Can Sprint tell if we're tethering over wifi?

My understanding is that with PDANet, tethering looks like normal data use. Does Wireless Tether or the hacked Sprint Hotspot app (warm 2.2) also show up as normal data use or can Sprint tell you're tethering over wifi?
I ask because apparently AT&T has been sending letters to customers who use MyWi forcing them to either sign up for a tethering plan or stop tethering... Can (would?) Sprint do something similar?
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Sprint can't tell unless they use Deep Packet Inspection and see something like "Oh hey, what's all this encrypted traffic coming from Netflix's server?".
As for AT&T, they're just yelling at anyone with high amounts of data usage. Simple as that.

I dont think think they can. Just the other day, I went to the Sprint store and the guy noticed that my Evo "looked" different! He said "man how you do that!" I showed him the Rom and told him about rooting, tether and all. He said " "damm. show me how to do that on mines"....i told about Unrevoked and XDA. NOW Im sure he could be reading this thread!

i'm not sure if they can, but i think they stated publicly that they dont care. their paid one just works better, and on 3g and 4g, while consuming less battery than the rest. this is their response, and i think it works well. self-advertising while not angering devs. pretty good of them.

so once rooted, do i have to download wireless tether or can i use the hot spot app without being charged?

Evo13 said:
so once rooted, do i have to download wireless tether or can i use the hot spot app without being charged?
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if you switch roms, most have a hacked hospot to work on 3g. wifi tether app also works on 4g.

Evo13 said:
so once rooted, do i have to download wireless tether or can i use the hot spot app without being charged?
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you can do both no charge.

Sprint mainly checks for users exceeding the 5Gb per month for data. Other than that, it is difficult to tell without users feeling that their privacy is being invaded. 5Gb comes up quickly if you are streaming movies or downloading outside the normal browsing or youtube.

engelsione said:
I dont think think they can. Just the other day, I went to the Sprint store and the guy noticed that my Evo "looked" different! He said "man how you do that!" I showed him the Rom and told him about rooting, tether and all. He said " "damm. show me how to do that on mines"....i told about Unrevoked and XDA. NOW Im sure he could be reading this thread!
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Yeah, but it wouldn't be a store employee checking anyway. Either way, seems like they don't care.

My evo was rooted with revoked, but still using the standard rom. I was able to use wireless tether without converting to any other rom. Be sure to use the security features (passphrase and access control) to prevent inadvertent use by others.

TheEdge88 said:
Sprint mainly checks for users exceeding the 5Gb per month for data. Other than that, it is difficult to tell without users feeling that their privacy is being invaded. 5Gb comes up quickly if you are streaming movies or downloading outside the normal browsing or youtube.
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Sprint doesn't have a 5gb limit on smartphone plans, that is only on data cards on the 3g network. I just watched a commercial yesterday with Dan Hess stating that Sprints unlimited plans have no limits, unlike Verizon and AT&T.

cruise350 said:
Sprint doesn't have a 5gb limit on smartphone plans, that is only on data cards on the 3g network. I just watched a commercial yesterday with Dan Hess stating that Sprints unlimited plans have no limits, unlike Verizon and AT&T.
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they dont have a throttle, they just look into it if you pull that much. like somebody said earlier, if you're pulling 8 gigs from netflix's server, there is only one explanation.

Anybody know of any specific examples of customers getting called out for excessive data use or wifi tethering? I assume there would've been an outrage on XDA and I would've heard about it... I don't think it's happened yet.
I get it that Sprint says they're truly unlimited but I have a nagging suspicion that they're eventually going to crack down on unauthorized tethering. Not that that's going to stop me in the mean time!
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I'd have to dig through the contract and T&C but technically speaking wouldn't tethering without a plan be a contract violation? I'm not claiming to be Mr. Innocent here. I've done the free tethering and have had tethering plans. Just seems to me that since we all signed contracts legally speaking the carriers have more of a leg to stand on than we do.
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I think with the sale of tmobile to at&t, Sprint will increase their user base with people bailing either one. Maybe, hopefully not, they'll begin to check our usage.
Then again, they'll be moving to LTE. Which means those of us with wimax devices, yours truly, will be left to use our data to our desires. At least I hope so.
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I use over 20 gigs a month downloading files(ROMs, files for work, etc) and streaming videos to my phone and have for almost two years. Not once have I been throttled or warned.
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So it sounds like the takeaway is that if Sprint wanted to, they could tell that you're tethering, but there is no evidence that they've ever done it or taken any action against customers... Cool.
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Sprint is a member of the open handset alliance. They don't care.
http://www.openhandsetalliance.com/oha_members.html

I use Slingplayer daily for hours sometimes, then I'll tether my iPad 2 and watch movies from my computer while traveling around via AirVideo. I am currently at 10GB of usage this month which is average, they never throttled me or anything.

I've hit over 12GB of usage regularly with no complaints from Sprint. YMMV.

Verizon can't charge for tethering anymore!!

Looks like 'm jumpig the Sprint ship ASAP and going to Verizon.
http://techcrunch.com/2012/07/31/verizon-can-no-longer-charge-for-tethering-fcc-declares/
Verizon has been slapped with a $1.25 million fine for charging customers to use their cell phones as a mobile Internet hotspot, and has declared that it must allow tethering for free. Google must also reinstate tethering applications from its Android store, which Verizon had asked them to remove. This is especially great news considering more Android devices (and perhaps the next iPhone) are 4G compatible, making mobile Internet nearly universal for Verizon customers. Sprint, T-Mobile, and AT&T customers should prepare to be gripped by overwhelming jealousy, as it only applies to Verizo
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So they won't charge for tethering but the plans are still expensive and capped... I'll stay

Ummm so?
I already have WiFi tether, and there are non root tether apps in the market. You go have fun tethering your limited 5gb data that costs you $100 a month. I'm going to stick with what I have.
Enjoy your jealousy over our savings and unlimited data
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fenixjn said:
So they won't charge for tethering but the plans are still expensive and capped... I'll stay
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I thought the judgement was that they couldn't block access, not that they couldn't charge for it.

Even with the family share plan the most you can get is 10 gigs.....if you heavily rely on tethering get ready for huge bills

You know it's just about unblocking the apps? Nothing about the plans has changed.

Why would you leave a unlimited plan to go to where you data is capped and expensive as well? There are unrooted tethering apps and rooted as well even rom with wifi hotspot?

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Looks like 'm jumpig the Sprint ship ASAP and going to Verizon.
http://techcrunch.com/2012/07/31/verizon-can-no-longer-charge-for-tethering-fcc-declares/
Verizon has been slapped with a $1.25 million fine for charging customers to use their cell phones as a mobile Internet hotspot, and has declared that it must allow tethering for free. Google must also reinstate tethering applications from its Android store, which Verizon had asked them to remove. This is especially great news considering more Android devices (and perhaps the next iPhone) are 4G compatible, making mobile Internet nearly universal for Verizon customers. Sprint, T-Mobile, and AT&T customers should prepare to be gripped by overwhelming jealousy, as it only applies to Verizo
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Might want to do a little research on what the FCC actually ruled on today. It is just stating that Verizon cannot block 3rd party tethering applications from the Markets. They can still charge for tethering if they want just by charging the customer for the "app" but Verizon is getting away from tethering plans anyways so this is not really newsworthy.

And before it gets any deeper in here.
Cue the lock......
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Do I need to hide my Tether?

So I got Wifi Tether working on my GS3 on the unlimited 4g plan. I only tether once in a while to my ipad and even then use minimal data.
My question is, while tethering (using Wifi-tether set to nexus s/lte option) do i need to take any extra steps to hide the fact that im tethering? Im sure they would be able to tell. Do i need to use a proxy or different dns or something.
Well thanks in advance for the help!
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kimbo1986 said:
So I got Wifi Tether working on my GS3 on the unlimited 4g plan. I only tether once in a while to my ipad and even then use minimal data.
My question is, while tethering (using Wifi-tether set to nexus s/lte option) do i need to take any extra steps to hide the fact that im tethering? Im sure they would be able to tell. Do i need to use a proxy or different dns or something.
Well thanks in advance for the help!
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I just got blocked. So I tried a different phone. Still a no go. Googled it and it appears they are now sniffing user-agents for the HTTP protocol. I used tether a lot. Like over 3 gigs. And I'm really pissed right now. But I've searched the net and that all say to bypass my issue is to change my user-agent on my computer.. don't think you'll have issues with your iPad
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Wow really that sucks. Your data is completley blocked on your phone as well?
What makes you say i wont have that issue on an ipad?
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elesbb said:
I just got blocked. So I tried a different phone. Still a no go. Googled it and it appears they are now sniffing user-agents for the HTTP protocol. I used tether a lot. Like over 3 gigs. And I'm really pissed right now. But I've searched the net and that all say to bypass my issue is to change my user-agent on my computer.. don't think you'll have issues with your iPad
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Mobile devices (phones, tablets, etc.) use different protocols when sending/receiving information over the internet than a computer does. If I understand it correctly, they will easily detect tethering to a computer, while they may not be able to tell you are tethering when tethering to another mobile device, such as a tablet. I could be totally wrong there, but that is my understanding of it.
Just out of curiosity, were you tethering to your computer or other mobile devices? I have considered purchasing a tablet, but don't want to pay for another line of service for it, would be nice to be able to tether it to my phone when out and about so I still have internet access.

Ive always tethered to my ipad with tmobile with no problem but now i changed to the unlimited data plan, i suppose they are watching it closley now.
Can anyone confirm that protocal stuff regarding the ipad and other mobile devices?
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you guys are taking this for granted...honestly tether once in a while if they take a look at your account and see 30-40 gigs thats looking suspicious as hell. not to mention T-mobile Technician are on these website reading how you guys by passing the system..they will figure out a way eventually to stop everyone because of you, so dumb!

With running netflix and pandora all day, for a month you can hit some pretty high numbers, and im sure thats what many people are doing now. I dont see how looking at data usage soley can determine if someone is tethering.
Unless it is a server side thing like the throttling is, theres always a way to beat the system.
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kimbo1986 said:
With running netflix and pandora all day, for a month you can hit some pretty high numbers, and im sure thats what many people are doing now. I dont see how looking at data usage soley can determine if someone is tethering.
Unless it is a server side thing like the throttling is, theres always a way to beat the system.
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They can't determine tethering by simply looking at data. Just as you said there are users that easily use 10+ gig in data a month without ever tethering. There is other backend detection going on that determines tethering.
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Dragoth12 said:
They can't determine tethering by simply looking at data. Just as you said there are users that easily use 10+ gig in data a month without ever tethering. There is other backend detection going on that determines tethering.
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It's based off of user-agent and the HTTP protocol. And to the op, my data still works I just can't use internet explorer anymore. I have to use Firefox.
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you guys are taking this for granted...honestly tether once in a while if they take a look at your account and see 30-40 gigs thats looking suspicious as hell. not to mention T-mobile Technician are on these website reading how you guys by passing the system..they will figure out a way eventually to stop everyone because of you, so dumb!
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Like stated before, Netflix and YouTube and Pandora, only to name a few, rack up high data usage. Weather I'm streaming on my phone or my laptop, it's still ****ing data. I paid for my data let me ****ing use it how I wish. I rest my case. Blocking tethering is just a way to be greedy and get more money. Period.
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elesbb said:
Like stated before, Netflix and YouTube and Pandora, only to name a few, rack up high data usage. Weather I'm streaming on my phone or my laptop, it's still ****ing data. I paid for my data let me ****ing use it how I wish. I rest my case. Blocking tethering is just a way to be greedy and get more money. Period.
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Interestingly enough, the federal government agrees. I really wish the ruling extended to all carriers and all plans, alas it only applies to certain plans on Verizon Wireless. When Verizon bought the spectrum they are using from the government, the FCC declared they must use it openly and have since ruled that they cannot charge customers extra for tethering, basically the government believes if you pay for data, you can use it however you want, but they can't dictate that on the other carriers, they simply had leverage against Verizon in this case. Charging for tethering is straight up greed on the part of the carriers.

elesbb said:
It's based off of user-agent and the HTTP protocol. And to the op, my data still works I just can't use internet explorer anymore. I have to use Firefox.
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Like stated before, Netflix and YouTube and Pandora, only to name a few, rack up high data usage. Weather I'm streaming on my phone or my laptop, it's still ****ing data. I paid for my data let me ****ing use it how I wish. I rest my case. Blocking tethering is just a way to be greedy and get more money. Period.
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So your data on phone still works fine, nothing blocked, and when you tether, data still works on pc just not with IE?
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elesbb said:
It's based off of user-agent and the HTTP protocol. And to the op, my data still works I just can't use internet explorer anymore. I have to use Firefox.
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Like stated before, Netflix and YouTube and Pandora, only to name a few, rack up high data usage. Weather I'm streaming on my phone or my laptop, it's still ****ing data. I paid for my data let me ****ing use it how I wish. I rest my case. Blocking tethering is just a way to be greedy and get more money. Period.
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i understand youtube and pandora but why the hell would you watch netflix on a small screen? you paid 30 bucks to use data on your phone as it intended to be, why dont you pay 50 bucks and get the tethering plan? either man up and pay or stop being a ***** about it. Your not entitle to anything but stated by tmobile, anything more is a bonus to you.

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i understand youtube and pandora but why the hell would you watch netflix on a small screen? you paid 30 bucks to use data on your phone as it intended to be, why dont you pay 50 bucks and get the tethering plan? either man up and pay or stop being a ***** about it. Your not entitle to anything but stated by tmobile, anything more is a bonus to you.
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Lolwut? I (and millions of other users) watch netflix on a small screen because it's convenient and portable. We pay 30 bucks to use an alloted (or, as the case may be now, unlimited) amount of data via our cellular network. While T-Mobile has a right to dictate how you can use the data allotment they provide for you, it doesn't make it any less greedy on their part.
I don't think anyone here feels they are entitled to anything more, we simply are of the opinion that if we are paying for an alloted data amount we should be able to use that allotment as we see fit. You think T-Mobile will give you a promotion if they see you are yelling at people for not paying for tethering or something?
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Dragoth12 said:
Lolwut? I (and millions of other users) watch netflix on a small screen because it's convenient and portable. We pay 30 bucks to use an alloted (or, as the case may be now, unlimited) amount of data via our cellular network. While T-Mobile has a right to dictate how you can use the data allotment they provide for you, it doesn't make it any less greedy on their part.
I don't think anyone here feels they are entitled to anything more, we simply are of the opinion that if we are paying for an alloted data amount we should be able to use that allotment as we see fit. You think T-Mobile will give you a promotion if they see you are yelling at people for not paying for tethering or something?
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no im saying hush the hell up about it so they dont find ways to ****ing block the service and i do not work for tmobile moron.
it says right in the term that you cannot tether the data, so yes your paying for data but your not allow to tether either. if you want to tether then pay the 50 bucks for it. no one forces you to pay them for data, if you dont like it use your own wifi, stop being cheap and try to cheat the system.

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no im saying hush the hell up about it so they dont find ways to ****ing block the service and i do not work for tmobile moron.
it says right in the term that you cannot tether the data, so yes your paying for data but your not allow to tether either. if you want to tether then pay the 50 bucks for it. no one forces you to pay them for data, if you dont like it use your own wifi, stop being cheap and try to cheat the system.
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Your opinion has been noted, i posted this to get some questions answered, not to have a moral debate. You say tethering is wrong, yet you clearly want us to "hush the hell up" so they dont block it, if your against it then you shouldnt feel the need to continue trolling.
***Im still looking for someone who knows for sure how their new technique in detecting tethering works, and a sure way of getting by it
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Um hrm.. last I heard, Chrome was blocked from tethering. So if IE is too. Thats something different. Which means my main browser Firefox is still win. =)
Now if I have to personally, I have no issue paying 10$ less and going back to my 2GB with hotspot ability if I needed. However not heard of anyone being blocked by rooted tether yet tho.

By Tethering are you guys referring to an App for tethering or Wired Tethering? Or is this the "WiFi HotSpot" deal too?
I usually use my Cell as a HotSpot for my Nexus 7 at work. Will this not work now that I have the "Truly unlimited plan" when I just got my SGS3?

Ok just tested something with my "Tmobile Hotspot" while on the new 4G Unl plan. It enables fine. Your PC can connect too. Load up in firefox... nothing happens, page loads blank forever. However.. Load in IE. Comes up with a message saying you are not on the hotspot plan, would you wanna add it for 15$ a month.
So seems IE has a way to parse TMOs data on tethering.
Now on my Rooted Wifi tether app. That works fine. No issues. =)

You cannot use the t mobile hotspot application if you do not have the tethering data plan. I know that you can download the wifi tether appplication that will allow you to tether your phone but as the other person said they have a way of detecting when you are tethering your phone my question is how do we get around that.
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G1_enthusiast said:
i understand youtube and pandora but why the hell would you watch netflix on a small screen? you paid 30 bucks to use data on your phone as it intended to be, why dont you pay 50 bucks and get the tethering plan? either man up and pay or stop being a ***** about it. Your not entitle to anything but stated by tmobile, anything more is a bonus to you.
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Oh so you're saying that I'm not allowed to use s beam or mhl adapter to push the video to my television? Why the hell have the features then?
Data is simply data. That's the base line it's black and white. Just because everyone is greedy is the only reason they make you pay for tethering.
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Getting caught tethering?

Whats the worst that can happen? Last time I was tethering to my PS3 and was downloading a games and got a text from T-Mobile that I should get wifi hotspot if I want to continue to tether.
I can still tether though but what could happen? What about torrents?

whytechapel_x said:
Whats the worst that can happen? Last time I was tethering to my PS3 and was downloading a games and got a text from T-Mobile that I should get wifi hotspot if I want to continue to tether.
I can still tether though but what could happen? What about torrents?
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They can most likely cancel your contract because you violated their TOS. That, or automatically upgrade you to a tethering plan..

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They can most likely cancel your contract because you violated their TOS. That, or automatically upgrade you to a tethering plan..
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Why is it that there's other people that download 80gb's or more a month?

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Why is it that there's other people that download 80gb's or more a month?
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Because they know how to use Google. There are millions of threads explaining in detail how to tether on T-Mobile network.
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All they will do is throttle/disable the tether till beginning of next billing cycle. They won't terminate your contract. The new plans they have come with 500 MB's for free.
It does not I repeat does not violate any terms of service. All they do is send you a message saying if you like to continue tethering please upgrade to a higher package or something to that effect. But no way with a just cancel your contract because that means they lose money. So don't worry about getting terminated from a contract because nobody major corporation whatever do that unless you like stole from them.
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whytechapel_x said:
Whats the worst that can happen? Last time I was tethering to my PS3 and was downloading a games and got a text from T-Mobile that I should get wifi hotspot if I want to continue to tether.
I can still tether though but what could happen? What about torrents?
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It's exactly this reason that we have to hide our tethering. Don't be cheap. Buy internet for your home. It actually makes more sense. If you are gaming our latency and game side to server path will be a lot more consistent and reliable. Tethering is not meant to replace your home network. It is meant to be used while out and about. Also it is very selfish to tax the network and cripple your fellow Tmobile users to by hooking up devices that are meant to be enjoyed on a home network. IMHO:cyclops:

I agree 100%,
I love my tmobile service and have been with them since it was called voicestream.
The more people that tether PS3's the worse it is for the network, that just makes the end user experience slower service and chock it up as tmobile LTE/4G being crap.
Tmobile have done a great job recently with all these rollouts and the restructuring of its plans, if we are to move up to #3 out of the top 4 carriers we need to let everone enjoy the network, for the first time in a long time tmobile sets to show a positive number of signups this quater.
If you want to keep enjoying lower rates, please get yourself a $19.99 DSL plan. Last thing we need is for tmobile to be bought out by sprint or someone else. Then we all lose.
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LAkingsfan3131 said:
It's exactly this reason that we have to hide our tethering. Don't be cheap. Buy internet for your home. It actually makes more sense. If you are gaming our latency and game side to server path will be a lot more consistent and reliable. Tethering is not meant to replace your home network. It is meant to be used while out and about. Also it is very selfish to tax the network and cripple your fellow Tmobile users to by hooking up devices that are meant to be enjoyed on a home network. IMHO:cyclops:
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Lmao now your calling me cheap? When in hell did I ever mention I don't have internet at home? If your not gonna answer the question how about you leave. Same goes to the poster above

There is no reason to tether your ps3 to your phone if you have internet at home.
Its abusing the system, people who are downloading 80gb as you say are the ones who make all of us suffer and its the reason tmobile stops tethering.
To answer your question they can and will cancel your service if the see fit, its written in their TOS here is a link below.
http://www.t-mobile.com/Templates/Popup.aspx?PAsset=Ftr_Ftr_TermsAndConditions&print=true
Here is a snippet if you dont want to look through the whole thing.
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Protective Measures: To provide a good experience for the majority of our customers and minimize capacity issues and degradation in network performance, we may take measures including temporarily reducing data throughput for a subset of customers who use a disproportionate amount of bandwidth. In addition, if your total usage exceeds 5GB (amount is subject to change without notice; please check T-Mobile's T&Cs on www.T-Mobile.com for updates) during a billing cycle, we may reduce your data speed for the remainder of that billing cycle. If you use your Data Plan in a manner that could interfere with other customers' service, affect our ability to allocate network capacity among customers, or degrade service quality for other customers, we may suspend, terminate, or restrict your data session, or switch you to a more appropriate Data Plan.
Hope this helps, I also tether, I dont see anything wrong with it, it is wrong when you do it on a daily basis to avoid paying for internet and specially if your tethering 80gb worth.
Also most of the new roms ie wicked v4 have native tethering. There also trevE mod that helps bypass the provision.
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P2P Sharers, Tetherers Beware! T Mobile Is Taking Action.

It's all here, folks: http://androidandme.com/2014/08/new...ed-data-users-who-engage-in-p2p-file-sharing/
UPDATE: Here is more clarfied info related to yesterday's news: http://www.phonearena.com/news/T-Mobile-clarifies-plans-to-throttle-unlimited-customers_id59381
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Thank god I have WiFi like everyplace I go.lol

I hope they don't mind occasional p2p sharing. I do use a lot of data, but don't really torrent often at all.

I'm sure this is to target out people who think they are funny when they use 300GB - 1TB in a month. They say "well unlimited means unlimited" with a complete disregard for the TOS in regards to tethering, torrenting etc.

partylikeaninjastar said:
I hope they don't mind occasional p2p sharing. I do use a lot of data, but don't really torrent often at all.
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Same boat; sometimes it's just convenient to grab a torrent over the network. Hopefully they do it right and crack down more on abusers than users. Or some kind of technique can be developed as a work-around. This is a slippery slope, I can see the endgame here being higher costs for plans allowing the "privilege" to stream content and connect p2p, while lower tiered plans only allow for web browsing mms/sms. Short term, we could be throttled back essentially at their discretion for what they're stating in their memo. Which, incidentally, covers more than just torrents and hotspots
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I assume you can just use a VPN to get around it. I have unlimited but I'd almost never torrent on 4G, not to mention when I ever do its straight to a cloud based torrent capturing service.

BACARDILIMON said:
Thank god I have WiFi like everyplace I go.lol
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Lol I got a letter from cable company for downoading 2 movies with torrents

raw2000j said:
Lol I got a letter from cable company for downoading 2 movies with torrents
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What............... Wtf. Who is our cable company

BACARDILIMON said:
What............... Wtf. Who is our cable company
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Verizon fios

raw2000j said:
Verizon fios
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I've only gotten notices from Comcast when I've shared things I've downloaded. Never for just downloading.

So if I use a lot of data by using netflix, red box I alright correct? Thanks
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partylikeaninjastar said:
I've only gotten notices from Comcast when I've shared things I've downloaded. Never for just downloading.
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If you torrent you share as you download. Unless you use one of the Leacher torrent programs but finding one that actually works is hard. You probably have just been lucky and haven't connected to a IP address that reports on any IP it connects with.

xda23 said:
So if I use a lot of data by using netflix, red box I alright correct? Thanks
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Yes, you are fine. This Tmo notice is for those are use their mobile connection as an always on, live data usage connection that is constantly saturating the connection with the tower/antenna, such as torrenting, webcasting or such.
But as Opensystem said, I think (and hope) this is to crackdown on the abusers and not users of their mobile connections. I've seen online others who are using their Tmo phone as a hotspot for ALL their internet use, including at home with multiple wifi connections working off of one device, because their LTE connection is solid and faster than their own DSL or cable connection and they cancelled that service and live off their Tmo LTE now.

ThePagel said:
If you torrent you share as you download. Unless you use one of the Leacher torrent programs but finding one that actually works is hard. You probably have just been lucky and haven't connected to a IP address that reports on any IP it connects with.
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You should never use a public torrent site unless you have to, and if you do, try not to share. Private trackers are more secure, but even then, nothing is completely secure. Even VPN providers have to abide by the laws of the country they reside in or risk being shut down.
I think T-Mobile is being very lenient here by only throttling. There's no mention of service suspension or termination if the user keeps doing this.
I am ok with this policy. T-Mobile should not be used as an ISP replacement (nor should any mobile carrier), that is why data tethering plans have caps. The unlimited plans are offered with the assumption that most users with a phone will not use more than a certain amount a month on average. The excessive uses must be dealt with accordingly, spectrum is not cheap, and if it's laid out in the Terms and Conditions, one cannot whine when the rules are finally enforced.
I have tethered outside of my tethering cap, but I use about 10-12 GB at the most (total between phone and hotspot). I'm technically still breaking the T&C, so if I end up being throttled when I exceed my tethering allowance, I won't be upset.

havanahjoe said:
You should never use a public torrent site unless you have to, and if you do, try not to share. Private trackers are more secure, but even then, nothing is completely secure. Even VPN providers have to abide by the laws of the country they reside in or risk being shut down.
I think T-Mobile is being very lenient here by only throttling. There's no mention of service suspension or termination if the user keeps doing this.
I am ok with this policy. T-Mobile should not be used as an ISP replacement (nor should any mobile carrier), that is why data tethering plans have caps. The unlimited plans are offered with the assumption that most users with a phone will not use more than a certain amount a month on average. The excessive uses must be dealt with accordingly, spectrum is not cheap, and if it's laid out in the Terms and Conditions, one cannot whine when the rules are finally enforced.
I have tethered outside of my tethering cap, but I use about 10-12 GB at the most (total between phone and hotspot). I'm technically still breaking the T&C, so if I end up being throttled when I exceed my tethering allowance, I won't be upset.
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Private trackers are no more secure than public that's kind of like thinking police need to say they are cops if you ask them. And you can find Vpns that completely sheild you , you just need to find the ones that don't keep logs. You will never get cought in the act and that's the only way to catch a no log VPN user. Its hard to find the no log vpns but private internet access is one of them at least for now. Surprisingly the USA is one of the few country's that do not mandate logs. Best tip you can get is to stay away from the huge VPN providers like hide my ass because they will log. Sadly private internet access is getting to be one of the huge providers and will probably have the capital to start saving logs soon.

You know in reality I'm sure that someone will figure out a work around just like they always seem to do.
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ThePagel said:
Private trackers are no more secure than public that's kind of like thinking police need to say they are cops if you ask them. And you can find Vpns that completely sheild you , you just need to find the ones that don't keep logs. You will never get cought in the act and that's the only way to catch a no log VPN user. Its hard to find the no log vpns but private internet access is one of them at least for now. Surprisingly the USA is one of the few country's that do not mandate logs. Best tip you can get is to stay away from the huge VPN providers like hide my ass because they will log. Sadly private internet access is getting to be one of the huge providers and will probably have the capital to start saving logs soon.
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Nothing is more secure than not downloading any illegal torrents. There will be risk when downloading them, no matter how much you try to hide, some things are riskier than others.

havanahjoe said:
Nothing is more secure than not downloading any illegal torrents. There will be risk when downloading them, no matter how much you try to hide, some things are riskier than others.
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Truth

Here is the new, clarified info from Tmo: http://www.phonearena.com/news/T-Mobile-clarifies-plans-to-throttle-unlimited-customers_id59381
I will update the OP accordingly.
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