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Join the complaint to htc to have access to install apps to sd

i hope people will do this i think it will get a result.....
join the protest for htc to make us a way to install apps to SD there just not enough room i said to them its no good its what is really killin this device for me now its not fair its locked out what kind of crazy idea to miss this feature out from day one
1. complaint made in writing and voiced

It's nothing to do with HTC per se, it's inherent with the Android OS - something which Google have already acknowledged and is rumoured to be fixed in 2.2 (Froyo) which will be announced in about 10 days at the Google IO conference.

No need to do that , it all depends on Google. This is what I've got from HTC.
Hi, Thanks for your email. We're all looking forward to that... it seems that they have now said that it is 'coming soon' and they have closed the forum regarding this on their site, so at present, it is assumed that it is coming in 2.2. However, until they announce it, it is still speculation. best regards, Pete W HTC
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"Hi, Thanks for your email. We're all looking forward to that... it seems that they have now said that it is 'coming soon' and they have closed the forum regarding this on their site, so at present, it is assumed that it is coming in 2.2. However, until they announce it, it is still speculation. best regards, Pete W HTC "
Ok, nice... coming soon.... but how much time then untill HTC releases it with sense etc?

BUT, do we have any information that leads us to believe HTC will release Froyo for the Desire - I've not seen nor heard anything other than their commitment to support Flash 10.1 for the Desire in a future update?? As Flash 10.1 is natively supported in Froyo an OS update would kill two birds with one stone and supposedly remedy the Android fragmentation issue on all Desires. However a simple OTA update to Eclair could readily unlock Flash 10.1 without the need for a full OS update to replace Eclair with Froyo.

hija31 said:
No need to do that , it all depends on Google. This is what I've got from HTC.
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Not only on google, but on HTC too. HTC will get Froyo next month, and then its up on them if they will give upgrade to Desire.

So make a request to put Froyo ASAP, not for HTC to include a core feature to Google Android operating system. This thread is ridiculous

Great.... just found this and didnt realize there was a problem like this with the Desire... that really sux! especially as my Desire turns up at 10am this morning and my trusty HD which I can install 32Gb of apps if I so wanted has just sold on ebay!
Maybe I need to stop buying HTC devices.

The desire is selling like hotcakes - I suspect on a whole different scale to any HTC device before. That makes me optimistic that froyo will be available for the desire at some point. Until then, I'm sure a cooked nexus one Rom will be able to tide us over.

Geeba said:
Great.... just found this and didnt realize there was a problem like this with the Desire... that really sux! especially as my Desire turns up at 10am this morning and my trusty HD which I can install 32Gb of apps if I so wanted has just sold on ebay!
Maybe I need to stop buying HTC devices.
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You do not seem to understand that it is not HTCs fault. This is an Android operating system limitation. So it is a "problem" with every single phone with the Desire.
I wrote "problem" because.. how much apps do you actually install?? I have about 50 apps installed and far from running out of my memory.
Also, of course you can stop whining and install a cutom ROM with A2SD (Apps To SD card).
Just to make it clear: Apps CAN store its data on SD card (like navigation apps storing maps etc) so most of the apps that require storage use SD card anyway. It's quicker that way.

I have to disagree, it's not an inherent problem with Android, but the fault of the handset maker. Android installs apps to the system memory - this is a fact. The manufacturer should provide adequate ROM memory for this.

That's a valid point. If HTC had simply put more memory in the device itself, accessible for apps and such, this would be a negligible issue.

personally, it will sure be handy but for me, I have ll the apps that i needed and my available space is still 113MB on my HTC Desire.

Ok, nice... coming soon.... but how much time then untill HTC releases it with sense etc?
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This is what I've got :
Until we get it, we simply don't know. It depends what changes in 2.2 and how that affects our Sense software and how much work is needed to get it working properly again. As a desire owner myself, i'm hoping it won't take as long as the Hero has (which i also own), and hoping that the 'defragmentation' that Google is supposedly doing will speed the process up in future. Best regards, Pete W HTC
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antz88c said:
personally, it will sure be handy but for me, I have ll the apps that i needed and my available space is still 113MB on my HTC Desire.
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Wish I could say the same. I have 47 apps installed (including Navigon satnav, and 6 or 7 games) and I'm pretty much out of space. I'm reduced to making decisions on whether or not I can be bothered to try out a new game because it means uninstalling one that I already own... I also had to get rid of Google Earth, simply because I hardly used it and it took up so much space - however I would've loved to have kept it because it's nice to show off to people.

Ommadawn said:
That's a valid point. If HTC had simply put more memory in the device itself, accessible for apps and such, this would be a negligible issue.
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In fact, despite this not being Google's fault (HTC's penny-pinching) they are still going to address the issue in Froyo, for the good of the users. I imagine they are doing this to avoid any further harm to the Android name. Whatever the reason, good on 'em.
I for one will be happy when Froyo is released, and if HTC don't get their arses in gear quick-smart with a Sense update then I will be rooting (if I haven't rooted by then already). I'm only waiting now because it seems VERY complicated compared to rooting the Dream which I had before, and also I don't really have the time to devote to it right now, or to having a potentially unstable phone/ROM. But I'm not that enamoured with HTC or Sense, so when I do eventually get hacked off, I will root.

I deffo need space as I have to leave off or keep swapping apps around and I only use ones I need to or have actual value.

Still not reached the memory limit but getting close. So i keep my fingers crossed for the update. I think both Google and HTC are doing their best all we need is a little patience.
Btw although navigation software puts the maps on the sd their memory footprint is very different. For example, both Navigon and Copilot will use over 15 mb whereas Sygic only uses 8 mb.

mornixuur said:
Still not reached the memory limit but getting close. So i keep my fingers crossed for the update. I think both Google and HTC are doing their best all we need is a little patience.
Btw although navigation software puts the maps on the sd their memory footprint is very different. For example, both Navigon and Copilot will use over 15 mb whereas Sygic only uses 8 mb.
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That's good to know mornixuur, and may help some people decide on a particular satnav, although I'm very happy with Navigon and won't be changing to save 7mb
I think you have to agree that it's pretty sad we're even having this conversation - why on earth should our decisions be based on a few megs when I have an 8GB class 6 microSD card in my phone which only cost me £11? I know that ROM memory is considerably faster and probably more expensive than SD cards, but really - how much would it've cost HTC (remembering they get huge volume discounts) to stick a 4 gig ROM chip in the phone? £5? £10? That way this issue would affect hardly anyone.
And it's not like people haven't complained about it before - every HTC Android phone has had the same problem, since the original Dream. You'd think they would learn! No, it's as I read on another thread somewhere - although HTC are more than capable of designing decent handsets, somewhere along the line the bean-counters get involved and decide to cut corners with cheap, inadequate components, such as not enough RAM (which was a problem with the Dream from the outset), crappy touchscreens (all HTC phones, except the latest Incredible), last generation processors (up until the HD2/N1/Desire/Incredible), cheap speakers, etc etc.
They buy huge quantities of the cheapest parts they can find and then use them until it's no longer viable and the competition has a significant technological lead for months (iPhone 3GS, Motorola Droid). I think it's planned obsolescence, as they release a new "must have" phone every 2 months, which in reality is only a very slight upgrade from the last. By the time a year has passed, you are looking at your HTC phone and comparing it to the 4 or 5 which have superceeded it, and you want a new one. Very clever, I must say.
The only time where they have cocked this up is in failing to release a high-end QWERTY keyboard Android phone in the last couple of years. I held off from upgrading my Dream for ages because of the lack of a decent one on the market (Droid/Milestone doesn't count because the keyboard was ****e).
Eventually I had to get something new because my nearly 2yr old Dream just couldn't play with the big boys any more, despite all the modding/hacks that the geniuses at XDA have provided (and I'm very grateful for).
Incidentally, I'm still waiting for a decent QWERTY to come out, whether that be the Droid 2/Nexus Enterprise Edition (with alleged better keyboard), or something from HTC or another manufacturer.
Anyway, rant over! I still love my Desire, it's the best thing I can get in this country at the moment!

Dell Venue Pro the cause of update delays?

I spoke with a representative today at the Microsoft store and asked if he knew anything about the delay in update. He actually seemed suprisingly knowledgable considering most of their staff was half retarded hot chicks who couldnt tell the difference between a smartphone and a toaster. e informed me that one of the major causes behind the delay was the fact that they were having to do extensive bug fixes on the Venue Pro. To prevent fragmentation they're wanting to release the update all at once but they want to make sure everything runs right on all devices. Your thoughts?

I figure that if it was all the fault of getting it to work on one phone it would have leaked out prior to the guy at the MS Store knowing about it.

I highly doubt the staff at an MS Store know any details about the update and why it is delayed (if it is). When I purchased my Dell Venue Pro at an MS Store, I had to help the staff with the Tmobile activation/upgrade of my existing plan.

tvailment said:
I highly doubt the staff at an MS Store know any details about the update and why it is delayed (if it is). When I purchased my Dell Venue Pro at an MS Store, I had to help the staff with the Tmobile activation/upgrade of my existing plan.
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As stated I'm the first to agree with their general stupidity... However there was definitely conviction when he said it...

SO
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Heck their registry anything barely works at all! let alone anything else!

So they're holding back our update because of that piece of junk...aint that a b....

Well, as long as it will be worth it. I hope MS makes the update worth the wait... but knowing them, probably not.

eternalemb said:
So they're holding back our update because of that piece of junk...aint that a b....
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Excuse me? Just because you think your phone is superior doesnt mean the DVP is a peice of "junk"
*Strokes my DVP*

vagabond1 said:
Excuse me? Just because you think your phone is superior doesnt mean the DVP is a peice of "junk"
*Strokes my DVP*
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haha sorry. But you gotta admit the damn thing has been nothing but trouble. I was considering testing out the HD7 and DVP on launch day but the DVP wasn't even available so I said screw it and come launch day I just got my HD7. Plus all the bugs and crap. Damn thing just found another way to screw me

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haha sorry. But you gotta admit the damn thing has been nothing but trouble. I was considering testing out the HD7 and DVP on launch day but the DVP wasn't even available so I said screw it and come launch day I just got my HD7. Plus all the bugs and crap. Damn thing just found another way to screw me
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It's been a nice device for those of us who got the ones without issues... I know theres some unfortunate ones though...

Hey I got my DVP a few weeks ago from dell and it has been fantastic. The only issues I had were the ones that were specific to all WP7 devices. That said I returned it four days ago since I didn't realize I couldn't get insurance through T-Mo or dell for the phone. I'm not clumbsy but the extra 8.00 is worth the extra peice of mind.
Ironically I went to a T-Mo store later that evening to get my new HD7 and the rep bricked one during the bootloader right in front of me. He told that happens about the same occurance with all customers that have purchased ones from him. Apparently there has been a 50% failure rate at the stores he talked with during initial startup. So take that HD7
I like my new HD7 with insurance but I loved my DVP while I had it.

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Hey I got my DVP a few weeks ago from dell and it has been fantastic. The only issues I had were the ones that were specific to all WP7 devices. That said I returned it four days ago since I didn't realize I couldn't get insurance through T-Mo or dell for the phone. I'm not clumbsy but the extra 8.00 is worth the extra peice of mind.
Ironically I went to a T-Mo store later that evening to get my new HD7 and the rep bricked one during the bootloader right in front of me. He told that happens about the same occurance with all customers that have purchased ones from him. Apparently there has been a 50% failure rate at the stores he talked with during initial startup. So take that HD7
I like my new HD7 with insurance but I loved my DVP while I had it.
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you said it yourself...from him. I see a direct correlation between bricked phones and him and my conclusion is the following: he's an imbecile lol

dougolupski said:
Hey I got my DVP a few weeks ago from dell and it has been fantastic. The only issues I had were the ones that were specific to all WP7 devices. That said I returned it four days ago since I didn't realize I couldn't get insurance through T-Mo or dell for the phone. I'm not clumbsy but the extra 8.00 is worth the extra peice of mind.
Ironically I went to a T-Mo store later that evening to get my new HD7 and the rep bricked one during the bootloader right in front of me. He told that happens about the same occurance with all customers that have purchased ones from him. Apparently there has been a 50% failure rate at the stores he talked with during initial startup. So take that HD7
I like my new HD7 with insurance but I loved my DVP while I had it.
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i didnt even know it was possible to brick an HD7. Im calling this a user error on his part. He must be trying to do something that causes them to break.

I doubt delays for update are about DVP, they're most likely CDMA radio support and driver issues so they can launch devices on Sprint and Verizon.

Somehow I doubt that a store employee who undoubtedly has multiple layers of higher management above him is privy to the schedules and decisions affecting the first WP7 update.

Windows Phone 8 Preview

PocketNow dropped some really awesome details on Windows Phone 8. Now that the information is public Paul Thurrott can talk about it a little more open and honestly with probably more credible evidence.
Some points he discussed that are interesting:
-Windows Phone 8 will be based on the Windows 8 kernel and now Windows CE like it currently is.
-Will launch together with Windows 8 and share an integrated ecosystem thanks to the same code, user experience, and components.
-Data Smart
-App to app communication
-Internet Explorer 10 Mobile
-Shared components with Windows 8
-Companion experiences with Windows 8 (HELL YES)
-SkyDrive integration
-Skype app
-NFC and Wallet
-Improved Local Scout
-Camera Improvements
-Better business features
I'll update this post with greater detail. But in the meantime check out Paul's site for details here.
What feature are you most excited for??? Sound off.

I'm personally most excited for the "Companion experiences with Windows 8". Syncing content between the Xbox, phone, and laptop/desktop/tablet will be awesome.
My ideal future would be to be at the local coffee shop and maybe get a text on my phone and since the phone is in my backpack it could instead show on the messaging hub in Windows 8. I can reply there in Windows 8 and the phone will show the message as both read and replied to. Awesome right? We'll see what the future holds.

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I'm personally most excited for the "Companion experiences with Windows 8". Syncing content between the Xbox, phone, and laptop/desktop/tablet will be awesome.
My ideal future would be to be at the local coffee shop and maybe get a text on my phone and since the phone is in my backpack it could instead show on the messaging hub in Windows 8. I can reply there in Windows 8 and the phone will show the message as both read and replied to. Awesome right? We'll see what the future holds.
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neat idea, working with some services already.
So you have your laptop tethered to the phone, or depending on free wifi ? Just thinking about data charges for a 5x transfer of a mms between the laptop and phone...

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neat idea, working with some services already.
So you have your laptop tethered to the phone, or depending on free wifi ? Just thinking about data charges for a 5x transfer of a mms between the laptop and phone...
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Ideally the OS would be smart enough to figure out which networks to use to optimize data usage if you were tethering and not on wifi. But I'm sure there are solutions to make a good user experience.

Seem like nice features to me. I guess the big question is which phones will get the update though.. Tempted to get the Lumia 910 when it comes out here in the UK or Titan 2 but I hate this game of "Will I ever get the new OS when it comes out" that I've had with Android till now. Though seeing as no phones are being announced to launch with it, my wisest guess would that Nokia aren't going to forget their flagship phones lol, HTC.. not so sure =P

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Seem like nice features to me. I guess the big question is which phones will get the update though.. Tempted to get the Lumia 910 when it comes out here in the UK or Titan 2 but I hate this game of "Will I ever get the new OS when it comes out" that I've had with Android till now. Though seeing as no phones are being announced to launch with it, my wisest guess would that Nokia aren't going to forget their flagship phones lol, HTC.. not so sure =P
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It will be interesting what phones get the update. I want to say I think most devices out right now will be able to work with it, unless the new kernel requires different hardware.
I know this isn't the most convenient option for OEMS and companies like Apple, Microsoft, and Google since you want to push innovation forward. But...in countries like the US where carriers still have more power than they should phones need to be able to last two years for two years of upgrades.
Obviously if you buy a phone at the end of it's lifecycle you can't expect to get updates two years from purchase but it's not hard to believe they can try for two years of software support from initial release.
What other features are you guys stoked about in WP8?

Last i heard microsoft was eyeing an october launch for the win8 tablets. Hopefully they release apollo around then too.

rruffman already started a thread on this.
admins can you merge this thread with the original?

hummm even if there will ever be a w8 like lite-mobile version, i dont think 1st gen and 2 gen phones will be supported, with an 8GB storage....

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hummm even if there will ever be a w8 like lite-mobile version, i dont think 1st gen and 2 gen phones will be supported, with an 8GB storage....
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Flash storage has nothing to do with OS upgrade. MS policy is to support 2 years for each devices. Dont see why they won't be supported. May be Gen1 won't be able to benefit from all the new hardware features that can be used by apps, but that is it.

I hope so.... but I'm not optimistic

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hummm even if there will ever be a w8 like lite-mobile version, i dont think 1st gen and 2 gen phones will be supported, with an 8GB storage....
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The NT kernel is only 25 MB. They wouldn't include all the subsystems of desktop Windows.

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MS policy is to support 2 years for each devices.
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Source for this information?

I wonder if we will see any advantages of running the NT kernel on our Windows Phones.

sionicion said:
I wonder if we will see any advantages of running the NT kernel on our Windows Phones.
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I think the biggest advantage doesn't lie with us consumers, but instead the developers!
I don't know much about coding, but from I've come to understand is if they share the same kernel it can make creating an application that works on a laptop/desktop/tablet and a phone a lot easier. By saving developers time, energy and resources they might feel more incentive to create applications for Windows 8 / Windows Phone 8.
Another added benefit: the sales of "PCs" can boost the number of apps. When you go buy a new laptop, tablet, or desktop running Windows it will add to the total normal of devices that a developer can target on the platform. With the increased marketshare devs will be more compelled to add the app to the Windows Phone Marketplace with the increased ease with their code.
Consumers / You and me...win! With more quality apps added to our arsenal we get to reap the rewards of WP8 and Win8 sharing the same kernel.

WP8 info looks good.
Finally an upgrade from windows mobile.
It looks like it will have an accessible user file system. My main problem with WP7.
Also more languages beyond .NET/silverlight. It will get a lot of standard apps ported which were written in C++.
Targeting of business is long overdue and will improve the software for everyone.
I hope it has more VOIP integration. I think that is the future.

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its false. MSFT gave carriers the authority to control and push updates. This means MSFT will not support devices for 2 years. My at&t first Gen phone is no longer supported after mango 7720. We don't even get the keyboard disappearing fix.
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its false. MSFT gave carriers the authority to control and push updates. This means MSFT will not support devices for 2 years. My at&t first Gen phone is no longer supported after mango 7720. We don't even get the keyboard disappearing fix.
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Source please?

karan1203 said:
its false. MSFT gave carriers the authority to control and push updates. This means MSFT will not support devices for 2 years. My at&t first Gen phone is no longer supported after mango 7720.
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Another good reason to buy a phone sim free. You pay for the phone over the course of the contract anyway so it's never free.
Also the deal MS have is that they have to push every second update at least. So you should be upgraded to 8107 soon. (They skipped 7740 and they can only skip one)

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Another good reason to buy a phone sim free. You pay for the phone over the course of the contract anyway so it's never free.
Also the deal MS have is that they have to push every second update at least. So you should be upgraded to 8107 soon. (They skipped 7740 and they can only skip one)
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It may not be free, but still cheaper with AT&T in the United States. If you buy the phone at the no contract price, your monthly payment for service is not any cheaper. You just have the option of cancelling without paying $350 minus $10 for each month you had service.
If you are going to keep the phone for 2 years and don't want to switch to cancel or switch to a prepaid plan, it is cheaper to buy it on contract.
And, if you want to switch to a prepaid plan, it is still sometimes cheaper to get a phone with a contract. The HTC HD7 for AT&T is $0.01 if you get a 2 year contract, but is $449 if you buy it for a prepaid plan. So, it is about $100 cheaper to take the contract and then cancel after a month and pay $340. Then switch the phone to a prepaid plan.
They are out of stock for the HD7 for the prepaid plan, but not with a contract, which is funny since it is the same phone.

Is Lumia 900 getting WP7.8 update in a few weeks?

https://twitter.com/APNWindowsPhone/status/215549101260013568
NokiaUSA is saying YES!

they said that we can get wp8 updating a few weeks ago

They also said "To clarify the post is about internet sharing..." and some other **** I give a **** about" NOT 7.8

This is too funny.... there's a video posted on the usual wp websites from just after this morning's WP8 seminar. It showed a preliminary version of the 7.8 version on an ATT lumia 900. When asked, 'can you flick it to the left so we can see the apps list?'... the MS or Nokia rep replied: "it'll crash the phone". He then explained it's just a crude test version.
Release anytime soon... not likely.

They also said they'd have a fix for the purple screen a LONG time ago, and we are still waiting for it (only AT&T got the fix)...

Zhariak said:
They also said they'd have a fix for the purple screen a LONG time ago, and we are still waiting for it (only AT&T got the fix)...
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http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...d-ad31ea4db0d7?page=1&tm=1340284824926#footer

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http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...d-ad31ea4db0d7?page=1&tm=1340284824926#footer
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Actually... You know what, I don't even care anymore...
With the fact that my new device is already obsolete, I'll be looking for a new mobile device provider soon who's product have longer supported lifespans (and not to mention better support).

Zhariak said:
Actually... You know what, I don't even care anymore...
With the fact that my new device is already obsolete, I'll be looking for a new mobile device provider soon who's product have longer supported lifespans (and not to mention better support).
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Try iPhone. You can install the new iOS on an old phone. You won't get Siri and true GPS to work due to hardware issues but you CAN install the OS. At least they arent so weak as to use the "Hardware incompatibility" excuse.

hx4700 Killer said:
Try iPhone. You can install the new iOS on an old phone. You won't get Siri and true GPS to work due to hardware issues but you CAN install the OS. At least they arent so weak as to use the "Hardware incompatibility" excuse.
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Lumia doesn't have NFC, so yes, hardware incompatibility. derp.

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Lumia doesn't have NFC, so yes, hardware incompatibility. derp.
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Whoa, wait a second... I don't give a **** about the Wallet or NFC...
I want the OS and the majority of the capabilities... WP 7.8 is just bringing adjustments to the start screen: "Hi, we know you just blew 600 bucks on this phone which is obsolete a few days later, but hey, here's a free key chain" kinda thing...
As far as I'm concerned, I've heard that WP8 on latest gen older devices is capable..

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Whoa, wait a second... I don't give a **** about the Wallet or NFC...
I want the OS and the majority of the capabilities... WP 7.8 is just bringing adjustments to the start screen: "Hi, we know you just blew 600 bucks on this phone which is obsolete a few days later, but hey, here's a free key chain" kinda thing...
As far as I'm concerned, I've heard that WP8 on latest gen older devices is capable..
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Yeah...but don't you do that with everything else?? Your new car?? A new laptop, PC or Tablet? At least you got a key chain....
But ...the big question really is.....From where did you hear that about WP8 on latest Gen older devices?? I work very close with friends from Microsoft on Windows Phone. Never, never ever never, have they ever hinted, to me, that WP8 was going to be a broad update, or even work on old devices.
So, if you have some Steve Balmer, Terry Myerson insight...please share....

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"Hi, we know you just blew 600 bucks on this phone which is obsolete a few days later, but hey, here's a free key chain" kinda thing...
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Words of wisdom and people please stop mentioning Apple's methodology. The lumia 900 is way newer compared to the 3GS when the 4G came out.
3GS did not get all the iOS4 feature but it was already old in the market unlike the 900!

Take a Deep Breath
If you are like me, you bought the Lumia 900 hoping that, since it is a high end phone, it would be upgraded to WP8. You didn't know that for a fact, you either guessed, relied on others guesses or hoped. You rolled the dice based on a feeling that MS and Nokia would do the right thing, based upon your desires. Well, they did the right thing based upon their needs. I love my Nokia 900 on WP7.5, I'll love WP7.8 even more. It will take me a long time to grow out of WP7.8. At that time, I will upgrade my phone to WP8.x. Like most of you, I am not at all happy about this. The highest of the high end WP7 phones, just released, and not upgradeable to WP8. Sure I am mad, but mostly at myself for taking such a chance with no facts to backup a future upgrade to WP8.

JamesAllen said:
If you are like me, you bought the Lumia 900 hoping that, since it is a high end phone, it would be upgraded to WP8. You didn't know that for a fact, you either guessed, relied on others guesses or hoped. You rolled the dice based on a feeling that MS and Nokia would do the right thing, based upon your desires. Well, they did the right thing based upon their needs. I love my Nokia 900 on WP7.5, I'll love WP7.8 even more. It will take me a long time to grow out of WP7.8. At that time, I will upgrade my phone to WP8.x. Like most of you, I am not at all happy about this. The highest of the high end WP7 phones, just released, and not upgradeable to WP8. Sure I am mad, but mostly at myself for taking such a chance with no facts to backup a future upgrade to WP8.
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Agreed, pretty much sums it up for me. I took a risk, banked on MS to not depricate a "flagship" device like they HAVE NOT done so often in the past and took it in the a$$. Like I said, fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me.

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If you are like me, you bought the Lumia 900 hoping that, since it is a high end phone, it would be upgraded to WP8.
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Call it what you want. The phone was FREE here in the US. It was cheaper than some feature phones. I had no expectations. I got a nice very capable smartphone for free. My expectations were met.

sitizenx said:
Call it what you want. The phone was FREE here in the US. It was cheaper than some feature phones. I had no expectations. I got a nice very capable smartphone for free. My expectations were met.
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I'm locked down on contracts for the next 7+ years since every time I get a phone from my provider it breaks, so I extend to get another one discounted...
I bought the Lumia 900 outright for $600... And It's not physically busted, but now is obsolete
There's just no winning...

Zhariak said:
I'm locked down on contracts for the next 7+ years since every time I get a phone from my provider it breaks, so I extend to get another one discounted...
There's just no winning...
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That's somewhat your fault mate! Why would you do that?!
MS messed up for sure, but let's not blame it for all our problems.

xsever said:
That's somewhat your fault mate! Why would you do that?!
MS messed up for sure, but let's not blame it for all our problems.
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I'm so mad at the whole WP8 thing, I think I am going to blame them for all my problems... And my cell provider (which is another story I'm not even going to get in to), heh

I don't want to disrespect anyone, but how could any Lumia owner not feel screwed.
Don't forget poeple that every device, comparable to Lumia 800 or 900, with different OS can run Skype, viber and other VOIP apps in the background... It seems Lumia 800 and 900 will never be able to do so.
How could you just accept that.
$135 androids have VOIP while we ($500/$600 Lumia owners) don't?!?!?!? and you're ok with it?!?!?!?!
Now I know that most Lumia owners are MS or Nokia loyals... I am one... And when others critisized the lack of apps and the inability to run Skype, I always defended both saying that apps will come and skype will be updated... "just a matter of time"... Do I feel stupid now!
I'm not saying I'm chaging to other OS... I'll probably get a new WP8 device and a surface tablet... But i can not NOT feel screwed.
BTW, I got my Lumia 800 in January... was so happy with it that I ordered the 900 about 2 weeks ago... (both factory unlocked cause we don't have contracts where I'm from)

i just got my phone less then 2 weeks ago, i'm piss... but what else can i say, i like the design, and the support from nokia seems good enough. Don't get me wrong, i'm not a WP or Nokia fanboy. Just like what JamesAllen says, i put my bet and i lose it... nothing more, nothing less, but i still like the phone, i'm gonna keep it until i feel a need to change to another

MS + Carrier Woes :(

I have two bones to pick, one with MS, and one with Carriers:
First, MS promised small intermittent updates, and major updates at least once a year. For the most part they have delivered, in theory. We saw Mango around October of last year. Woohoo, it was great, started to fill the gap, but still left us wanting. We all eagerly anticipated what MS had up its sleeve next.
The same month they release a fitly update, 7.10.7740.16, that didn't really do much of anything, low and behold, ATT never rolled that one out....go figure....
There was a massive keyboard disappearing bug (which I never experienced thank god), that it took them 3 months to fix with 7.10.8107.79. Luckily this fixed my gmail sync issue, so that was nice. LTE support is a bonus, if you happen to be in one of the few areas ATT has such a service, no luck for me though. Again, ATT didn't bother with this one, so I had to manually push it.
We start finally hearing some details about Tango in March. Come to find out, its really just an MS push into emerging markets, and really won't add anything new except for some additional SMS capabilities. This update starts to roll out in June. If it were up to ATT, i would still be running 7720, a full three versions, and 9 months old. Not with the help of XDA though....
Its not that I really need the updates, again, they don't really do anything, the change log list is either incredibly omissive or simply childish in length. its the principle. You promised me updates, I want them dammit! And I want them now! Preferably with some actual updates....that is....How about MS and Nokia get together and work towards fixing this shoddy camera quality you shipped the Lumia with??? People might actually appreciate that work....
Now to WP8. MS totally screws us with this, as all we are ending up getting is an ugly home screen update....Thanks a lot, my 3 month old Lumia salutes you, as does its infantile ATT 2 year contract. But you stuck with your promise, a major update once a year. Looks like we will be seeing Apollo around when Mango was shipped last year. Guess we can't argue with that logic...
Could be worse I suppose. I could have an Android device with a 9 month and standing promise to update to ICS.....o that's right....that's exactly what I have with ATT.....bah humbug....except ATT hasn't actually promised any updates at all, and customers will probably never see Tango. At least we can look on the bright side, the updates don't actually do anything anyway, so no harm no foul, right?
Anyway, in a total of the 9 months since MS officially released Mango, we have gotten 3 quasi-widely pushed updates, so long as you are not an ATT customer that is (ok MS seems to be doing what they promised), however, in said time, the only real additions were two bug fixes and some SMS bull. 9 months in the making.....really??? Granted they must be spending a lot of resources on WP8, and its great that they are developing the platform and pushing it further, but how does that help me???? Absolutely in no way shape or form.
For comparison (and simply that) ICS was released right along with Mango, and they have rolled out three updates (unlike MS these actually did things and improved the OS substantially), and are now on a major refresh after 9 months, Jelly Bean. My comparison ends there.....
And what about the Carriers??? I took me a total of 10 minutes a piece to deliver myself each of the updates we have gotten our hands on here. WTF are the carriers doing with my money??? Surely not expanding its LTE network, and surely not building new towers so I can actually get a bar or two at work....god forbid...
Androids Carrier/OEM problem is probably even worse than what I have seen from ATT and MS, and Apples updates seems to break more than they fix, but I really feel like MS has kicked us to the curb not only with promised updates, but also with the WP8 announcement.
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I will stick with MS, and will probably use my wife's upgrade to deliver me a WP8 phone late this year, simply because there is no better options. What OEMs do to Android should be a crime, and I cant bring myself to support the tyrant that is Apple, nor jump on its fanboy bandwagon. WP is truly a superior product, even if it still lacks a few bells and whistles. Anyone who actually cares about their experience cannot deny that.
But seriously MS, you are letting us down. Its because of people like me that this thing is still afloat, and you are treating me like a red headed step child. Get with it already!
If you are still with me, thanks for reading, hope to see any thoughtful comments offered.

emjlr3 said:
There was a massive keyboard disappearing bug (which I never experienced thank god), that it took them 3 months to fix with 7.10.8107.79.
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Lucky you.
First gen here. I experience that bug every day and MSFT/AT&T still haven't pushed the update for it.
Still on 7720.

karan1203 said:
Lucky you.
First gen here. I experience that bug every day and MSFT/AT&T still haven't pushed the update for it.
Still on 7720.
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More like AT&T rather than MS, I've had 8107 on my TMOUS HD7 since like February.

At&t is supposedly starting to roll out Tango on some of their Windows Phones.
As far as you just getting your Lumia goes, I wish Nokia and/or Microsoft would implement some trade-up program. That way everybody (users and developers) can get onto 8 almost right away while eliminating the complaining and uncertainty that now exists.

I thought M/$ said carriers could not skip more than 1 update....
Guess AT&T did not get or agree with that memo...
The way I see it blame falls on the AT&T death star.

More like AT&T rather than MS, I've had 8107 on my TMOUS HD7 since like February.
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yes ATT has been horrible, but what can one do that really matters? Verizon I have heard hasn't been much better - they are used to A. Apple pushing its own updates, and letting them have their way, and B. not giving a **** about Android updates, because it takes OEMS 9 months to "refresh" their skins.
That way everybody (users and developers) can get onto 8 almost right away while eliminating the complaining and uncertainty that now exists.
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Nokia lost and arm and a leg giving away the Lumia for $100, and then for free, not so sure they could survive another such Apocalypse only a few months later.
I thought M/$ said carriers could not skip more than 1 update....
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if that is the case, there was probably verbiage in there delineating the option to only major rehashes - but seriously, the Carriers have nothing to do, just push it?!?!?!

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Do you have to use the word "end" if you're already using a forward slash to close the "rant" tag? Just wondering

no clue, I am a biochemist, not a computer programmer

The AT&T death star has already gotten the $$ from the sale of the phones. Updates do not create income so it is low on the radar. Besides death stars only want to deal with planets.
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well they didn't make **** off my phone sale, now aside from that stupid contract price I pay every month....