PocketNow dropped some really awesome details on Windows Phone 8. Now that the information is public Paul Thurrott can talk about it a little more open and honestly with probably more credible evidence.
Some points he discussed that are interesting:
-Windows Phone 8 will be based on the Windows 8 kernel and now Windows CE like it currently is.
-Will launch together with Windows 8 and share an integrated ecosystem thanks to the same code, user experience, and components.
-Data Smart
-App to app communication
-Internet Explorer 10 Mobile
-Shared components with Windows 8
-Companion experiences with Windows 8 (HELL YES)
-SkyDrive integration
-Skype app
-NFC and Wallet
-Improved Local Scout
-Camera Improvements
-Better business features
I'll update this post with greater detail. But in the meantime check out Paul's site for details here.
What feature are you most excited for??? Sound off.
I'm personally most excited for the "Companion experiences with Windows 8". Syncing content between the Xbox, phone, and laptop/desktop/tablet will be awesome.
My ideal future would be to be at the local coffee shop and maybe get a text on my phone and since the phone is in my backpack it could instead show on the messaging hub in Windows 8. I can reply there in Windows 8 and the phone will show the message as both read and replied to. Awesome right? We'll see what the future holds.
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I'm personally most excited for the "Companion experiences with Windows 8". Syncing content between the Xbox, phone, and laptop/desktop/tablet will be awesome.
My ideal future would be to be at the local coffee shop and maybe get a text on my phone and since the phone is in my backpack it could instead show on the messaging hub in Windows 8. I can reply there in Windows 8 and the phone will show the message as both read and replied to. Awesome right? We'll see what the future holds.
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neat idea, working with some services already.
So you have your laptop tethered to the phone, or depending on free wifi ? Just thinking about data charges for a 5x transfer of a mms between the laptop and phone...
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neat idea, working with some services already.
So you have your laptop tethered to the phone, or depending on free wifi ? Just thinking about data charges for a 5x transfer of a mms between the laptop and phone...
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Ideally the OS would be smart enough to figure out which networks to use to optimize data usage if you were tethering and not on wifi. But I'm sure there are solutions to make a good user experience.
Seem like nice features to me. I guess the big question is which phones will get the update though.. Tempted to get the Lumia 910 when it comes out here in the UK or Titan 2 but I hate this game of "Will I ever get the new OS when it comes out" that I've had with Android till now. Though seeing as no phones are being announced to launch with it, my wisest guess would that Nokia aren't going to forget their flagship phones lol, HTC.. not so sure =P
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Seem like nice features to me. I guess the big question is which phones will get the update though.. Tempted to get the Lumia 910 when it comes out here in the UK or Titan 2 but I hate this game of "Will I ever get the new OS when it comes out" that I've had with Android till now. Though seeing as no phones are being announced to launch with it, my wisest guess would that Nokia aren't going to forget their flagship phones lol, HTC.. not so sure =P
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It will be interesting what phones get the update. I want to say I think most devices out right now will be able to work with it, unless the new kernel requires different hardware.
I know this isn't the most convenient option for OEMS and companies like Apple, Microsoft, and Google since you want to push innovation forward. But...in countries like the US where carriers still have more power than they should phones need to be able to last two years for two years of upgrades.
Obviously if you buy a phone at the end of it's lifecycle you can't expect to get updates two years from purchase but it's not hard to believe they can try for two years of software support from initial release.
What other features are you guys stoked about in WP8?
Last i heard microsoft was eyeing an october launch for the win8 tablets. Hopefully they release apollo around then too.
rruffman already started a thread on this.
admins can you merge this thread with the original?
hummm even if there will ever be a w8 like lite-mobile version, i dont think 1st gen and 2 gen phones will be supported, with an 8GB storage....
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hummm even if there will ever be a w8 like lite-mobile version, i dont think 1st gen and 2 gen phones will be supported, with an 8GB storage....
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Flash storage has nothing to do with OS upgrade. MS policy is to support 2 years for each devices. Dont see why they won't be supported. May be Gen1 won't be able to benefit from all the new hardware features that can be used by apps, but that is it.
I hope so.... but I'm not optimistic
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hummm even if there will ever be a w8 like lite-mobile version, i dont think 1st gen and 2 gen phones will be supported, with an 8GB storage....
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The NT kernel is only 25 MB. They wouldn't include all the subsystems of desktop Windows.
drupad2drupad said:
MS policy is to support 2 years for each devices.
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Source for this information?
I wonder if we will see any advantages of running the NT kernel on our Windows Phones.
sionicion said:
I wonder if we will see any advantages of running the NT kernel on our Windows Phones.
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I think the biggest advantage doesn't lie with us consumers, but instead the developers!
I don't know much about coding, but from I've come to understand is if they share the same kernel it can make creating an application that works on a laptop/desktop/tablet and a phone a lot easier. By saving developers time, energy and resources they might feel more incentive to create applications for Windows 8 / Windows Phone 8.
Another added benefit: the sales of "PCs" can boost the number of apps. When you go buy a new laptop, tablet, or desktop running Windows it will add to the total normal of devices that a developer can target on the platform. With the increased marketshare devs will be more compelled to add the app to the Windows Phone Marketplace with the increased ease with their code.
Consumers / You and me...win! With more quality apps added to our arsenal we get to reap the rewards of WP8 and Win8 sharing the same kernel.
WP8 info looks good.
Finally an upgrade from windows mobile.
It looks like it will have an accessible user file system. My main problem with WP7.
Also more languages beyond .NET/silverlight. It will get a lot of standard apps ported which were written in C++.
Targeting of business is long overdue and will improve the software for everyone.
I hope it has more VOIP integration. I think that is the future.
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its false. MSFT gave carriers the authority to control and push updates. This means MSFT will not support devices for 2 years. My at&t first Gen phone is no longer supported after mango 7720. We don't even get the keyboard disappearing fix.
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its false. MSFT gave carriers the authority to control and push updates. This means MSFT will not support devices for 2 years. My at&t first Gen phone is no longer supported after mango 7720. We don't even get the keyboard disappearing fix.
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its false. MSFT gave carriers the authority to control and push updates. This means MSFT will not support devices for 2 years. My at&t first Gen phone is no longer supported after mango 7720.
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Another good reason to buy a phone sim free. You pay for the phone over the course of the contract anyway so it's never free.
Also the deal MS have is that they have to push every second update at least. So you should be upgraded to 8107 soon. (They skipped 7740 and they can only skip one)
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Another good reason to buy a phone sim free. You pay for the phone over the course of the contract anyway so it's never free.
Also the deal MS have is that they have to push every second update at least. So you should be upgraded to 8107 soon. (They skipped 7740 and they can only skip one)
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It may not be free, but still cheaper with AT&T in the United States. If you buy the phone at the no contract price, your monthly payment for service is not any cheaper. You just have the option of cancelling without paying $350 minus $10 for each month you had service.
If you are going to keep the phone for 2 years and don't want to switch to cancel or switch to a prepaid plan, it is cheaper to buy it on contract.
And, if you want to switch to a prepaid plan, it is still sometimes cheaper to get a phone with a contract. The HTC HD7 for AT&T is $0.01 if you get a 2 year contract, but is $449 if you buy it for a prepaid plan. So, it is about $100 cheaper to take the contract and then cancel after a month and pay $340. Then switch the phone to a prepaid plan.
They are out of stock for the HD7 for the prepaid plan, but not with a contract, which is funny since it is the same phone.
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Again, those of us that support MS are the ones getting screwed.
A lot of us here are already runnung Mango RTM, and one the most important feature we wanted from the official update is the wifi hotspot. well it turns out, IT IS NOT IN THE UPDATE.
Joe Belfiore just tweeted that ONLY NEW WP7 phones will support this feature, so it will not be available until new phones are out, and possibly never on existing phones.
this is what we call a blow below the belt. so all of you who a bought a WP7 during the past year when no one else would, and kept it while many got rid of it because they could wait no longer, MS is thanking us by asking us to buy a brand new phone to have a feature that is available on any cheap android phone.
It's like somebody inside Microsoft is doing everything possible to make sure WP7 fails. i have a focus and a dell venue pro. both are going on the auction block tonight. Iphone and Android users must be laughing their ass off...
Dude, calm down. Belfiore already tweeted that the wireless tethering feature for older devices will come as an additional update. But it still has to be enabled by your carrier. Same goes for the new devices btw.
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Again, those of us that support MS are the ones getting screwed.
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This isn't because of Microsoft. It's the carriers. Point your finger in the right direction before you throw a fit, at least.
Adding WIFI support would probably have delayed the Mango update even more as I don't think all carriers would approve of it.
Just take a look at this article on WMPoweruser.com and take some deep breaths.
Before you freak, many platforms are separating WiFi tethering and either breaking it or making it an extra pay feature.
Android 2.3.6 for instance disables WiFi hotspot for many carriers (3G disabled when WiFi hotpot enabled).
Other carriers are letting their users know that there will be charges for tethering (wired or wireless). The problem is not the technology; it's that Carriers want to make extra money from the feature.
And the Bluetooth still sux too in Mango. Went to my car in hopes... No rSAP even though 6.x had it.
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And the Bluetooth still sux too in Mango. Went to my car in hopes... No rSAP even though 6.x had it.
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pre mango bluetooth works peffectly for me. connected it to the new holden iq system and could dial, speak play and control music all from the car controls.
Duh!
http://www.winrumors.com/windows-phone-7-5-internet-tethering-feature-only-available-on-new-devices/
I already told in the previous thread, IF the OM phones will not have tethering, that does it for me. No word on this from my MS/HTC contacts, yet.
IMHO, the absence of internet sharing is not a big deal at least for me...
However,please solve these problems...
1)please enable the live tiles to update itself by pressing home button,not just back button
2)please allow secondary windows live account to have the live messenger in chat or at least allow windows live to merge account...
3)please allow the mango app go into multitask mode automatically&compatible with the use of home button. I found out that if you opened a mango app(even it has fast app switching or resume),if you doesn't long press back button to let it go into multitask mode,it'll not allow fast app switching.
Take weave as an example, try it by yourself,open the weave app up. Then,press Home button,now open the weave from the app list again,it'll just relaunch again.
Home button is really a multitask killer...
Just solve these problems I would be happy enough
That's because you aren't supposed to relaunch it, you're supposed to either push the back button to get to it, or hold down the back button....
it clearly says that in order to have the hotspot feature, the OEM have to update the wifi driver for each device, then the carrier needs to include it in another update. so good luck with that.
the OEM want you to buy new phones, and the carriers too because new phones means new contracts.
just take a look at android, it took some phones nearly 2 years to be updated to the latest release because Google left it to the OEM. they have absolutely no motivation for it.
my carrier supports tethering on Iphone and Android phones. so i'm sure it wasn't their decision to have it left out.
Mango has been announced for a year and there are only a handful of WP7 phones on the market. how hard would it have been to ask the OEM to update the wifi driver in time for the mango release ?
I'm gonna keep one wp7 phone just to play with it but it will never be my primary phone. too bad.
This actually kind of came out early in September
HTC says Internet Sharing was a last minute addition by Microsoft, and that the company didn’t have the time to bundle it with the software update scheduled for the last week of September. Don’t worry, though – HTC is looking to include the feature in the second Mango update. Though when that is, is yet to be known.
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Relax, it'll come.
armrob said:
Again, those of us that support MS are the ones getting screwed.
A lot of us here are already runnung Mango RTM, and one the most important feature we wanted from the official update is the wifi hotspot. well it turns out, IT IS NOT IN THE UPDATE.
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I totally agree with this, once again marketing crap. Phone manufacturer had plenty of time to give any support for this feature. Carriers can request to block some features, but if someone buys phone on open market, all features should be enabled.
Another thing that makes this update big fail, is that not everybody could get update. Microsoft advertise "new shiny mango", but phones does not see update possibility. Once again microsoft divides customers to better and worser.
Keeping carriers happy = another fail for customers.
"Coming soon in next update" = failing customers again
This should have been implemented (prenodo) originally and left alone. Putting more energy into what are considered standard feature sets instead of innovating and "wowing" folks, I just don't understand this.
I wouldn't. Say the iphone and android guys are LOLing about it, more like just facepalming and then shaking their heads.
Actually, not all phones will be able to make hotspot. Why?
There were two similar wifi chipsets used (don't beg me for looking up the numbers of the chipset). One IS capable of "AP" mode, one isn't. It is not software issue, it is hardware issue. I will check devices' drivers and hopefuly try making a list of devices that are able to make hotspot.
Aah, that makes sense now. No wonder I do not see the internet sharing.
Microsoft, shame on you..
Wait, why shame on Microsoft?
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There were two similar wifi chipsets used (don't beg me for looking up the numbers of the chipset). One IS capable of "AP" mode, one isn't. It is not software issue, it is hardware issue. I will check devices' drivers and hopefuly try making a list of devices that are able to make hotspot.
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Bla, bla, bla. Marketing bull****. Every wifi chip is capable of operation in AdHoc mode. It is part of WiFi specification, if chip cannot, it cant use WiFi name, because is not compatible.
after looking at the next gen specs, are any current wp7 owners going to upgrade to next gen? or wait a bit longer till we get some real phones?
I upgraded because I wanted the improved camera and bigger screen on the Titan, but I could understand people being happy with their mango~fied first gen devices
....I am not going to upgrade my device, at least not for immediately. My contract is still running for another 10 month. I am very happy with my HTC Mozart, I got my 2 updates and will certainly get at least one more (Tango) or even Apollo. The device works smooth and stable like on the first day. It's faster then most of the latest 2core Android devices. It's the first time I am not nervously checking the market for new devices while being half way through my contract. So here I am, sitting back very relaxed and I will wait and see what new WP7 devices will be available next year at this same time....
not giving ATT the pleasure! I love the Samsung Focus it has been dev unlocked since the beginning , but buying a new means added expense to the contract and the specs of the new phones dont change enough to warrant the new purchase!
I need to be WOW'ed and as of now I am not WOW'ed with the current offerings of 2nd gen WP7 devices.
If this all we are getting, I'll stick with my first gen device (Trophy) for a little longer...
Never mind that I am on a CDMA carrier and my choices are VERY limited right now.
Going to switch to android galaxy nexus until windows 8 apollo comes out.
Not impressed with the quality of apps on windows phone. But highly impressed with the OS itself. So will wait for microsoft to attract more support.
I expect my Samsung Focus to last 2 more years. It's smooth and does pretty everything I want. I learned from moving from 3mp to 5mp cell phone camera is the number is irrelevant. Most cellphones just have ****ty cameras, rather just buy a real camera.
As much as I like the metro UI and the performance of the current devices I can't really see WP7 being overly desirable in comparison to other platforms. The marketplace is locked down, with a very limited number of applications. If given the choice of upgrading to a gen 2 device I would switch to Android hands down.
All feelings aside, I'm glad to see the Chevron project making progress. Microsoft needs to loosen up they're grip on the marketplace submission criteria.
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Going to switch to android galaxy nexus until windows 8 apollo comes out.
Not impressed with the quality of apps on windows phone. But highly impressed with the OS itself. So will wait for microsoft to attract more support.
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Then just support the OS, who cares about apps?
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JustinTV773 said:
Then just support the OS, who cares about apps?
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Who doesn't care about apps?
You're sadly out of touch.
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Who doesn't care about apps?
You're sadly out of touch.
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You are out of touch too my friend, there are many people I know who do not care about apps, be they iphone users, andoid users, BB users or WP users. There is a huge demographic out there who have smartphones simply because they think they are the cool thing to have, they may use email, they may use BBM, they may use Siri but they rarely is ever use apps. Of course there is another HUGE demographic that DO use apps (myself included), who do care about the size of their relevant app store. I even know one old guy who bought himself a Desire HD because he "liked the look of it" and only uses it for calls and texts. I set him a Gmail account up for the phone but he never even uses that, then there is my aunt who has an iphone 3G and never switches the blasted thing on because she is "saving the battery" in case she needs to make an emergency call, or there is the girl who works for me who only uses her Blackberry for BBM and taking pictures and thats it - trust me, at least 50% of the people I know who own smartphones could get by with a feature phone for all the use they get out of them, but they go into the phone retailers and have expensive smartphones shoved down their throats by pushy sales staff - tragic!!
Anecdotal "evidence" is meaningless. Don't cite "I know many people who.." as proof of anything. Statistics have proven that for iPhones, the average user (as of last January) has 88 apps downloaded and installed on their phone (in addition to the 20 apps that are pre-installed). Certainly, that means that some people have fewer than that number, but it also means that some people have far more.
Exactly. On my iTouch I have over 30 useful third party apps not counting games. On android I have even more (had that device longer). On WP7 I have less than 10 because there simply isn't much worthwhile to get from there. I'm not counting stock and own apps that would be baked into the ROM on other platforms anyways.
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As I posted elsewhere I've been eligible for upgrade for 3 months but I wanted 32GB or nothing. My choices were:
- Upgrade and live with 16GB (could probably get a Lumia 800 for free)
- Upgrade to android/iOS
- Do not upgrade and get a PMP to use alongside my 1st gen phone
It will be annoying to carry two devices but I opted for a Zune HD. The good thing is that I can now cancel my contract and wait until there's a proper phone to upgrade to as the new batch is worthless. With Pay As You Go I won't be tied to any carrier and will even be able to jump ship if the 3rd gen isn't better.
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As I posted elsewhere I've been eligible for upgrade for 3 months but I wanted 32GB or nothing. My choices were:
- Upgrade and live with 16GB (could probably get a Lumia 800 for free)
- Upgrade to android/iOS
- Do not upgrade and get a PMP to use alongside my 1st gen phone
It will be annoying to carry two devices but I opted for a Zune HD. The good thing is that I can now cancel my contract and wait until there's a proper phone to upgrade to as the new batch is worthless. With Pay As You Go I won't be tied to any carrier and will even be able to jump ship if the 3rd gen isn't better.
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I expect things to radically improve in the next year. MS just hired a Samsung VP to run WP. You know what you get when you put a Korean in control of a smartphone division? Fantastic toys! Think about it like it's Samsung having all that MS dough to come up with amazing products.
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I do ?
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Who doesn't care about apps?
You're sadly out of touch.
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Leaving an OS over 10% of apps is pointless. WMPU did an article that claim that 90% of the most wanted apps from other platforms are now on WP. Just because a certain app isn't available it is not the fault of MS but more the fault of the developer of the app and should not be cause to leave.
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Anecdotal "evidence" is meaningless. Don't cite "I know many people who.." as proof of anything. Statistics have proven that for iPhones, the average user (as of last January) has 88 apps downloaded and installed on their phone (in addition to the 20 apps that are pre-installed). Certainly, that means that some people have fewer than that number, but it also means that some people have far more.
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If you want stats, here are some stats,
According to Neilsen, the average smartphone user has 22 apps (37 on iphone)
According to Localytics 1 in 4 downloaded apps are used once then discarded
Again according to Neilsen, the most used apps are Facebook, Google Maps and the Weather Channel (all available on WP7).
According to COMScore (Feb 2011), Users prefer to use mobile web over apps, 34.4% used apps in the USA versus 28% in Europe versus 53% Japan. I am not saying that apps are not important, they clearly are very important, but they are not the be all and end all.
This is a genuine question - how many games does the average smartphone user have? And how many of the top played games are on WP?
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This is a genuine question - how many games does the average smartphone user have? And how many of the top played games are on WP?
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I have no idea how many games the average smartphone user has, I have one game, as for top games, the top on the iPAD (I have no iPhone) are bike baron, trivial pursuit, angry birds, sonic and sea All stars racing and aquaria, perhaps someone else can furnish the top games on android.
I am very interested in this phone and the $20 Amazon price tag makes it even more exciting but Apollo is (reportedly) just around the corner.
My question is should I wait and get Apollo or go ahead and grab this? I can't think of a good enough reason to wait ATM but I must admit that is mostly due to the fact that I can't think of any must have features Apollo would have that Mango doesn't or that the 900's Hardware wouldn't be able to handle other than screen resolution and I am certainly not waiting 6 months or better for that.
What say you?
You know what..buy it...if you could afford it...you only live once...I bought mine off-contact. $481 w/tax.
No point waiting since we don't even know for sure when Apollo will be release...But if you want to play the waiting game...why not wait for windows phone 9 or windows phone 10....because new technology will always be out...the longer you wait...the less time you truly get to enjoy it before the next best thing hits market...
I got my Lumia 900 and enjoying it a lot...that means that when Apollo release I'll have like 6 or 7 months of joy with this phone....Of course only do this if you can afford the phone...
For a new and the top of the line Nokia phone for $481 w/tax is cheap. I bought their old Nokia 8800 for more than that...fruit for thought...
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You know what..buy it...if you could afford it...you only live once...I bought mine off-contact. $481 w/tax.
No point waiting since we don't even know for sure when Apollo will be release...But if you want to play the waiting game...why not wait for windows phone 9 or windows phone 10....because new technology will always be out...the longer you wait...the less time you truly get to enjoy it before the next best thing hits market...
I got my Lumia 900 and enjoying it a lot...that means that when Apollo release I'll have like 6 or 7 months of joy with this phone....Of course only do this if you can afford the phone...
For a new and the top of the line Nokia phone for $481 w/tax is cheap. I bought their old Nokia 8800 for more than that...fruit for thought...
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I appreciate your opinion. Doing some basic estimations if the price holds steady on Amazon for the next month or so I can get it for $20 as compared to a standard high end phone at $200 which is a $180 discount.
Whereas if I were to buy it unsubsidized it runs $450 and a lot of of phones run $550+ unsubsidized. Therefore the $20 does seem to be a better deal.
I don't usually play the waiting game but I was just wondering if anyone knew a groundbreaking reason I should hold off.
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I'd wait for Apollo. I think the Lumia 900 is late to the game hardware that's more of a holdover until Microsoft readies Apollo (which hopefully supports larger than 800x480 displays and dual core processors) and Nokia is able to utilize any enhancements Microsoft mandates for newer Apollo devices.
I'm not saying it's a bad product, just not something I'd put down for a two year contract.
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Why do I need/want a dual core processor? All videos I have seen showthe Lumia performing compareably with a single core. I agree on the resolution but I'm not holding on to my focus for another 6 months(or more) for a better resolution.
I somewhat agree on the hardware specwise but the software is performing in a manner that doesn't show it as much. I just think my excitement for the 900 is higher than my excitement would be for an Apollo device. If not than I probably would be willing to drop my unsubsidized money on it.
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Why do I need/want a dual core processor? All videos I have seen showthe Lumia performing compareably with a single core. I agree on the resolution but I'm not holding on to my focus for another 6 months(or more) for a better resolution.
I somewhat agree on the hardware specwise but the software is performing in a manner that doesn't show it as much. I just think my excitement for the 900 is higher than my excitement would be for an Apollo device. If not than I probably would be willing to drop my unsubsidized money on it.
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Good point. Its really easy to say, look at all the things I could do. Why not say, look at all the thing I do. The difference between the 2 is huge.
Windows Phone has only 80k apps in the marketplace. The others, hundreds of thousands. With the exception of a few notable ones, why is a weather app found in WP Marketplace not as good as one found in Android Marketplace. I guarentee you I will not scroll through 32k weather apps, to find the perfect one for me. I have my starbucks card, my facebook/twitter, my Cloud Music player, a few games I like, minus Angry Birds space. What else would I use all those apps for?
Dual/Quad core. I've not seen an Android phone, in my hands, have the battery life its expected to. Every Android I've had, plus the Razr, has failed at batterr life, for me. I never tried the MAXX. Is it the cores eating the battery? Or is it something else? Gaurentee you, Microsoft won't release the dual/quad core spec until it solves the battery life issue. Until the phone can be used, normally, for normal purposes, by normal people, non modded, a Dual or Quad core windows phone won't release. Terry Myerson is one of the more realistic GM's at Microsoft. If the phone won't last all day on a charge, then its no good. He doesn't ask if it can be fixed. He says show me it working.
Can you imagine, Angry Birds Space, in Quad Core!!!! Level 1, recharge. Level 2, Recharge.
I'm sure I do not understand the science of the Dual/Quad core. I'm sure there is a logic between all of these 'improvements', and why we need them. Someone on this forum talked about his phone in comparisons to his previous one, as a normal person should(?) think about it....
Checklist:
Does it work better than my last one> Check.
End of Checklist.
I plan on buying the white 900 when it comes out later this month. I'm going to buy it outright even though I'm due for an upgrade and save my upgrade for WP8. I'm betting the full price on a WP8 Nokia device will be higher than what the 900 is going for.
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I plan on buying the white 900 when it comes out later this month. I'm going to buy it outright even though I'm due for an upgrade and save my upgrade for WP8. I'm betting the full price on a WP8 Nokia device will be higher than what the 900 is going for.
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I plan on doing something similar. I can get it for 20 on amazon with subsidized pricing so that means it is roughly 180 cheaper than a standard subsidized high end phone.
Comparing that to 450 unsubsidized to 550+ unsubsidized shows you save more money that way. Which also makes more sense because I am by convinced I'll be unequivocally upgrading
to Apollo therefore I don't want to commit my financial plns to it.
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Save the money now, get the subsidized price, then decide if new WP8 hardware is worth buying off contract/unlocked. It's pretty simple, pay now or pay later and pay later is always better, especially given lack of info regarding WP8.
$450 is a pretty good price for the phone.
With the ~$400 difference between subsidized and unsubsidized, I guess your question should be "Do I think the difference between subsidized and unsubsidized on the WP8 phone I'll want will be > or < $400?"
I just bought it outright in hopes the difference for the WP8 flagship will be >400
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$450 is a pretty good price for the phone.
With the ~$400 difference between subsidized and unsubsidized, I guess your question should be "Do I think the difference between subsidized and unsubsidized on the WP8 phone I'll want will be > or < $400?"
I just bought it outright in hopes the difference for the WP8 flagship will be >400
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The one major downside to that plan, and the reason I won't most likely do it, is because I am preemtively locking myself into upgrading into Windows 8. Which I am nowhere near convinced that I will want to.
The focus is the first handset I have held on to long enough to reach the upgrade point. I usued to upgrade once a year or more. Stating that I could reasonably see the 900 being in that category as well and if it turns out it's not I'll pay then for unsubsidized.
Most of my research says that there is a better chance that the difference will be less than 180 which is what I am looking at here ( price of 900(20) vs the price of most high end devices (200)) Whereas most devices run roughly no more than 600 or so compared to 450 or better unsubsidized.
And furthermore the likelihood of a killer feature coming out in the next year or less is highly unlikely as far as I am concerned.
Can anyone think of a rumored feature that would be that earth shattering?
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Save the money now, get the subsidized price, then decide if new WP8 hardware is worth buying off contract/unlocked. It's pretty simple, pay now or pay later and pay later is always better, especially given lack of info regarding WP8.
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This is the way I'm leaning. Although I will admit I wish the White I was so looking forward to wasn't gloss. Makes it seem cheaper and more prone to scratches and smudges. But no device has ever been perfect so I suppose this is no different.
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Can anyone think of a rumored feature that would be that earth shattering?
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Earth shattering? No. But WP8 will bring a number of things up to speed like higher resolution displays, multi-core procs, etc.
The most important things will likely be in the software running on the phone. Various accounts suggest that the tight integration of services into WP7 will be on steroids in WP8. Think along the lines of Skype integrated into the dialer, perhaps even APIs that support direct integration of third party VOIP solutions, like Tango or Google Voice.
If you assume that MSFT will get it together and roll out APIs for integrating third party services into core OS functions on the scale of the Mango API release, watch out. You can really let your imagination go crazy.
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Earth shattering? No. But WP8 will bring a number of things up to speed like higher resolution displays, multi-core procs, etc.
The most important things will likely be in the software running on the phone. Various accounts suggest that the tight integration of services into WP7 will be on steroids in WP8. Think along the lines of Skype integrated into the dialer, perhaps even APIs that support direct integration of third party VOIP solutions, like Tango or Google Voice.
If you assume that MSFT will get it together and roll out APIs for integrating third party services into core OS functions on the scale of the Mango API release, watch out. You can really let your imagination go crazy.
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And those sound enticing but not world beaters. I feel like the core argument is similar to the current generation video game consoles; meaning that they have more power than developers know what to do with and as such will take a while to come into their own.
Thank you for your knowledge. The people here are making me feel better and better about my decision.
Either way, there's no wrong decision.
+1 to all kenikh said. Hit the nail on the head, especially the if M$ get their **** together part. That's the key here. They could hit it out of the park, or just end up with an experience that's only a minute step forward as opposed to a monumental one.
WP7 is great despite all it lacks. WP8 should address the areas where WP7 is decidedly hindered.
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Either way, there's no wrong decision.
+1 to all kenikh said. Hit the nail on the head, especially the if M$ get their **** together part. That's the key here. They could hit it out of the park, or just end up with an experience that's only a minute step forward as opposed to a monumental one.
WP7 is great despite all it lacks. WP8 should address the areas where WP7 is decidedly hindered.
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Just curious what do you think it lacks? The resolution is the only thing I can think of that matters
All I know is that I went to an att store and played with a 900 today, and I want one bad! I have used android for years now, but wow I love that phone. And the price is great! And there will be 4G in my area next month. Need to dump my sprint contact.
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Just curious what do you think it lacks? The resolution is the only thing I can think of that matters
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Yeah resolution of course and an ecosystem (not their fault) with apps that can access core OS API. App integration into the OS has come a long way, but will mature further. More customization options couldn't hurt them either.
It'd be nice to have some real multitasking.
Other than that, it's all I can think of at the moment. Not a whole lot of stuff but just lime everything else, not only does it have to be done, it needs to be done right.
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I'd edit my last post but the app won't let me scroll to the bottom of it LOL. Lime=like.
And with things like upped resolution will be everything behind it hardware-wise.
One thing I can't get with WP7 is proper integration of outlook when your company is running exchange server 2003, almost a deal breaker for me, but I blame my company as much as I blame M$ for that.
My most important work emails arrive with no preview line or contents. Sucks sometimes.
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Yeah resolution of course and an ecosystem (not their fault) with apps that can access core OS API. App integration into the OS has come a long way, but will mature further. More customization options couldn't hurt them either.
It'd be nice to have some real multitasking.
Other than that, it's all I can think of at the moment. Not a whole lot of stuff but just lime everything else, not only does it have to be done, it needs to be done right.
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I pretty much agree with all of that but not being a Machead, none of those middling features are enough to make me foam at the mouth and wait in line to get a Win8 phone. Want but don't need and not want more than my 600 dollars
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I pretty much agree with all of that but not being a Machead, none of those middling features are enough to make me foam at the mouth and wait in line to get a Win8 phone. Want but don't need and not want more than my 600 dollars
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TBH, the upped resolution (assuming it doesn't sacrifice the smoothness) and proper compatibility with my Exchange server would be enough for me to justify it.
I'm not a Machead either.
But the quality and functionality of apps should improve with WP8.... Curious how well integrated it'll get with Win8.
I can't say right now whether I'll be in line for the first flagship WP8 device. Who knows, there might be another offering at that time that I'd prefer. I'm not affixed to any certain OS family, so my opinion is subject to change as they change and the offerings evolve. I can say, though, I'm glad WP finally got a flagship quality device. I'm addicted to AMOLED but have been F'd in the A enough by Samsung that I wasn't about to buy another one of those.... Then the Lumia 900 came along. Perfect.
Just want to know how the situation is. Anyone still trust in Microsoft after abandoning Windows Mobile and now this with WP?
WP7.8 is pretty reasonable update, they should have just called it "WP8 for old phones" and everything would be fine... And I have a first-gen Samsung Omnia 7 and I'm going to buy a WP8 phone around christmas As well as Microsoft Surface, those seem to be pretty awesome tablets.
Yes, I'll probably upgrade to a WP8 device when my device is two years old, assuming there's a device with a good hardware keyboard. WP8 looks good and I prefer the WP experience.
Will probably be more cautious about recommending WP to others, however, especially in the period before new OS releases.
Well at the moment I'm really pissed how I spent my saved 350€ for a device (Lumia 800) that will be "outdated" OS vise after around a year. But I guess we will have to wait what the update brings. I don't need NFC as longs as Bluetooth can be used as a substitute (or maybe even WiFi). Also, I think the new Startscreen is somehow cluttered, but I guess I have to experience the look and feel. I surely hope that some software updates like the rumored notification system will come to current devices as well. Another thing is that my contract is due in 2013 so I have to stick around with this phone anyway. And as a poor student I cannot afford a new high-end phone every year. When the contract expires I will decide based on the existing choices and reevaluate the OS. I really like Windows Phone 7 but the whole update dilemma did not increase my thrust in neither Nokia nor Microsoft. I hope they keep their word that they are committed to bring future updates to existing devices. If not, I will move to another OS. It all depends how they handle Windows Phone 7 this and next year.
I switched to android last month from 1st gen wp because i knew they wouldn't update my wp.
I told myself i'll switch to wp8 if they do something android can't do. It doesn't look like that's the case.
I got my current WP7 device for nothing so I will get a WP8 phone when released if my carrier gives me a fair selection of devices.
I hope to have 7.8 soon so I can see if I like the feel of WP8. Infact I am going to install a dual boot with Windows 8 (the release) to see if I give it a chance...
Yess definitely, I will be buying.
People need to understand, in order to progress some will be left behind. Thats just how the world works.
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So I´m stuck with an WP 7.5 that wont even get the 7.8 update and a new device is too expensive...
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So I´m stuck with an WP 7.5 that wont even get the 7.8 update and a new device is too expensive...
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Let's just hope that 7.8 is not a huge update and it's something we can install right from here (XDA).
I wouldnt want to lose my custom rom right now.
As I have more thoughts here...
I guess the way MS planned it, if you were one of the first people to get WP7, you would be out of your 2 year by fall time (around release time). Sprint and Verizon (CDMA/LTE) customers would be ending their 2 year Spring/early Summer 2013 (I got mine with out a contract so I am good) due to late releases.
I think I am disapointed in the 18 month support only. I really think it should be 24 months, as most US carriers who have contracts are 2 years. Note: their exact quote was "18 months from the time the phone is released". Just because you get a new phone here in the US, that model could be out for over 3-4 months overseas. That could suck.
As for WP 7.8 all you will get is the new start menu that you can load up with more tiles. As a first gen user, I was kind of looking forward to upgrading my Trophy but, I guess I will be waiting till fall.
If you just picked up a new 2nd gen like a Lumia 900 or Titan 2, they are nice phones but, I would feel a little screwed.
After watching the entire conf today and the way they are talking C++ and direct hardware access, all I can say is this is the GAMING phone I have been waiting for. Everything WP7 should of been.
I enjoyed my WP7 device but, I can't wait for a WP8 device
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Yess definitely, I will be buying.
People need to understand, in order to progress some will be left behind. Thats just how the world works.
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Agreed! iOS has always left out a feature or 2 during every new major update. Android is even worse with some last generation phones not getting any updates at all. Yet when Microsoft does it, everybody complains!
I'm definitely getting a WP8 device! I can just imagine a Nokia Lumia 1000 with a 4.5" 720p ClearBlack display & dual core 1.5ghz processor!! I don't even care about the other stuff
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Agreed! iOS has always left out a feature or 2 during every new major update. Android is even worse with some last generation phones not getting any updates at all. Yet when Microsoft does it, everybody complains!
I'm definitely getting a WP8 device! I can just imagine a Nokia Lumia 1000 with a 4.5" 720p screen & dual core 1.5ghz processor!! I don't even care about the other stuff
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Yeah, Apple does that. But Apple releases one phone per year. And you are secured that the next phone will receive 90% or more of the update.
My Lumia doesnt have 6 months of life and all it got was a new horrible start screen. Seriously, anybody liked the mini-tile? I dont think metro = square. At least, it was not. Just because that thing is a square form it's Metro UI. I wouldnt use, but its personal and I respect.
But hey, we are not receiving Skype, Multitasking, Turn-by-Turn, NT Kernel, and also, lets see if next year new apps will continue to be made thinking about WP 7 users. Or maybe 2014. Just like Android, 2.0 is already being forgotten.
If MS release at least Skype and Multitask, I will shut and smile.
Im pretty annoyed as well... I am also a student and cannot afford a new device every year. What kinda seems odd to me is that the current devices will not be upgradeable to the new nt core whilst microsoft and nokia and aims to sell low end devices (lower than current gen devices?) to compete with low end androids which presumably will be running on the nt core. Ultimately, as much as i love the looks of it, I will probably not be buying a windows 8 slate (unless they reach the sub £100 mark) so the integration features with windows phone 8 are not so important to me. The features that matter most to me would be updated bluetooth profiles (for bluetooth HID drivers), flash player (although there's no indication that WP8 does this either) and would like continued app support, better cloud/skydrive integration as well as a more complete office funtionality
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In a positive note, if microsoft really does put in the effort to compete with the low end android devices, we may see wp8 devices for as low as £60....
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Yeah, Apple does that. But Apple releases one phone per year. And you are secured that the next phone will receive 90% or more of the update.
My Lumia doesnt have 6 months of life and all it got was a new horrible start screen.
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First of all no matter when MSFT does a reboot someone is going to have only had their phone for 6 months. That's true of all OSes. Secondly you don't even know what the new features of Windows Phone 7.8 are going to be. So claiming it's just a start screen is just BS.
I'll probably wait 2-3 months into the next year to buy one. I'll see if app developers choose to accept WP8 as a serious platform and start making apps for Windows Phone too. If all goes well, and there's a phone release around that time that actually looks good, I'll buy it. Also somebody might port WP8 over to some of the old devices. If that happens, it will delay me buying a WP8 by a month or two.
^ developers will take it seriously, native coding means a lot!
The new kernel means a lot! The old one was dead from the beginning.
MS just put a tomb stone on RIM, and are now standing on it pointing at Google and Apple saying "You're Next".
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I have a HTC HD7S first gen that I bought May last year. WP7.8 will be nice to get but would be disappointed to loose my custom rom hope MS offers dev release soon. Can't wait to get a tablet.
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I bought a samsung focus, but I won't upgrade to WP8. From what they showed today it's just catching up to what is out there on the other platforms, I'll keep the old WP7 phone around and get something else and buy the Surface laptop instead.
Maybe WP9, if the come out with some killer features in the future.
So glad that I got rid of my Samsung Focus and now the proud owner of the HTC One X. I started doubting the whole WP debacle when support for my Dell Venue Pro was dropped and I started smelling a scam. However, I still held on to my Samsung Focus since I hope that they will change. Luckily I changed my mind 2 weeks ago and sold my Focus for a good price. After this, there will be a lot of frustrated users trying to dump their WP on ebay, it would be hard to sell it at a good price now.
I used to be the HD2 owner that watched every single MS news hoping that they will change their mind and provide us with the upgrade. Ah, how I wished that I learned my lesson and never give M$ another chance. Technically speaking, I was shafted not only once but twice.
I was thinking about buying a Lumia 800 to try it out but no more, MS will never AGAIN get my money. I hope they burn in hell and fail miserably for what they did to the users.
And if you are still blindly supporting M$ after this, stop for a moment and think about how you have been treated. M$ is even worse than Google. Don't ever trust them. **** you M$.
Blind was buying WP7 knowing that it was old. Knowing that it didn't support multi cores, knowing that it only supported one resolution. Thats blind.
Don't be mad for Microsoft catching up with the times.
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Blind was buying WP7 knowing that it was old. Knowing that it didn't support multi cores, knowing that it only supported one resolution. Thats blind.
Don't be mad for Microsoft catching up with the times.
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Sorry dude, looks like no one here is blind, except you. I will be seeing you around at the WP9 announcement then, when your shiny 2-month old phone is cut off support that is.
I am sorry for posting this here as I didn't see a Q&A section. Now that MS has killed Spotify + Groove Music, what exactly is going on? IN fact, I just want to know if anyone else is, like me, thinking of letting Windows 10 Mobile go? I am frankly tired of them stalling all the good things that are actually freely available on other platforms. I am talking about apps like Flipboard etc.
What's next? Insta? WhatsApp? It has now come to a point where even an expensive flagship is nothing more than a paper-weight.
When you ask that arrogant Nawzil on FB, the smart-ass laughs at you and sinkers at you as if holding some precious information that is going to magically transform your life.
Anyways, I will not make this a hate-thread and want to focus on the way ahead. Is it a kill and abandon mission? Or walk on and see?
Windows 10 Mobile is clearly facing the same fate as Windows RT. No offical statement from MS that it will be abandoned, but no new devices is coming, no new apps and current apps is losing support. And the OS itself has not seen any new features for a long time, still missing night mode and bluetooth has been buggy for years.
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Windows 10 Mobile is clearly facing the same fate as Windows RT. No offical statement from MS that it will be abandoned, but no new devices is coming, no new apps and current apps is losing support. And the OS itself has not seen any new features for a long time, still missing night mode and bluetooth has been buggy for years.
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You forgot to add to this list: Bill Gates told to the Fox News reporter, he switched to Android
Looks like it's time to say "Bye bye, Windows Mobile"...
sensboston said:
You forgot to add to this list: Bill Gates told to the Fox News reporter, he switched to Android
Looks like it's time to say "Bye bye, Windows Mobile"...
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haha..I read that too. I don't care much about what Billy uses. I need to know if it is time to jump ship? Or is something really remarkable just round the corner. Which I honestly doubt. But the devs here at XDA were making some really good progress hacking Lumia. But this too has been a silent room for a long time. So are the senior devs here too given up?
My next phone OS definitely will NOT be from Microsoft.
P.S. I've got free LG X charge from Xfinity Mobile (also with free unlimited calls/SMS) and now I understand what I really need (I mean incredible battery life). Unfortunately this X charge has an awful camera (like most of LG budget handsets). So, I hope, someone will release similar phone with good modern camera(s) and same (or more powerful) battery, with similar power savings.
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... But the devs here at XDA were making some really good progress hacking Lumia. ..
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So point it. There is no progress, there is no need for it because no new OS futures or system capabilities. OK, I will pay someone to make 950 bootloader unlocked and change the system font...nothing more. Give a break
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Anyways, I will not make this a hate-thread and want to focus on the way ahead. Is it a kill and abandon mission? Or walk on and see?
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For me, the choice is sad but easy: I like Windows phones and dislike Android and iOS. I expect to stay until they no longer provide security updates.
I'm not optimistic about the future of Windows on phones yet the options I know of seem worse.
Your responsibilities are to yourself and it's not as if you are only allowed to switch once. What works best for you at this time?
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For me, the choice is sad but easy: I like Windows phones and dislike Android and iOS. I expect to stay until they no longer provide security updates.
I'm not optimistic about the future of Windows on phones yet the options I know of seem worse.
Your responsibilities are to yourself and it's not as if you are only allowed to switch once. What works best for you at this time?
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Thank you for your reply my friend. Something very strange happened yesterday. I shifted to my Nexus 6 after 2 weeks of usage of my Lumia 950XL. And the moment I turned it on, something hit me hard. I missed my Lumia. I dragged my feet through the day with my Android device. And what did I do the moment I reached home? I ripped open my Lumia, put my SIM in and fired it on immediately.
This has never happened before. I used to have cravings for using my Lumia in the past. The simplicity, the speed, the security. All of it. I however never swapped my SIM in a day's time ever before. And now I don't feel like going back to my Nexus at all. Though it isn't laggy in anyway with (Stock 7.1.1). I just felt a kind of aversion to it.
What works for me? Lumia hands down. However, what worries me is the fact that slowly and steadily, every app will go quiet. It has already started. Flipboard is gone and so are a bunch of others with it.
Feels like MS is on some kind of suicidal mission with WP.
Recent tweets by Joe Belfiore:
https://twitter.com/joebelfiore/status/917071857370595328
We have tried VERY HARD to incent app devs. Paid money.. wrote apps 4 them.. but volume of users is too low for most companies to invest.
https://twitter.com/joebelfiore/status/917071399541391360
Of course we'll continue to support the platform.. bug fixes, security updates, etc. But building new features/hw aren't the focus.
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Recent tweets by Joe Belfiore:
https://twitter.com/joebelfiore/status/917071857370595328
We have tried VERY HARD to incent app devs. Paid money.. wrote apps 4 them.. but volume of users is too low for most companies to invest.
https://twitter.com/joebelfiore/status/917071399541391360
Of course we'll continue to support the platform.. bug fixes, security updates, etc. But building new features/hw aren't the focus.
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Yea I read. All the news blog channels are declaring the OS dead, RIP and what not. However, as long as the basic apps like WhatsApp and Insta work, we are good. Otherwise it would be seriously crippling. Even then, I don't think I would sell my 950XL.
Same here. Will stay with my Lumia 730 until basic apps are alive. Just feels so bad to move to other platforms after using windows mobile
Even planning to upgrade to an used 1520.
(Have a Nexus 5 for backup)
hold , windows phone 10 still works good and bug fixes on the way .
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Yea I read. All the news blog channels are declaring the OS dead, RIP and what not. However, as long as the basic apps like WhatsApp and Insta work, we are good. Otherwise it would be seriously crippling. Even then, I don't think I would sell my 950XL.
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The UWP apps with mobile support should continue to get updates and work on mobile for a while (2+ years or more) unless a developer pulls the app. The legacy apps will eventually expire off...So unless you are gung-ho crazy over certain media apps (because Groove is dying) or want a Google store experience for some reason, there is no need to move to another hand set platform over apps. However folks should do what works best for them...I personally still find Android somewhat unintuitive so even though the huge amount of apps is there I still only use a handful. I am planning on buying a VZW Elite X3 soon and use that while waiting to see if Microsoft is really aiming for an Andromeda device with Windows Core OS.
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The UWP apps with mobile support should continue to get updates and work on mobile for a while (2+ years or more) unless a developer pulls the app. The legacy apps will eventually expire off...So unless you are gung-ho crazy over certain media apps (because Groove is dying) or want a Google store experience for some reason, there is no need to move to another hand set platform over apps. However folks should do what works best for them...I personally still find Android somewhat unintuitive so even though the huge amount of apps is there I still only use a handful. I am planning on buying a VZW Elite X3 soon and use that while waiting to see if Microsoft is really aiming for an Andromeda device with Windows Core OS.
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Well. I will be honest. I've jumped ship. I've got myself a Xiaomi Mi Note 2. I am honestly very happy. This is just not done. They have a history of abandoning products and I should have known it. My bad Microsoft.
So much bluetooth problems with Windows 10 Mobile, since the it was released. I can't understand that Microsoft never have and never will fix it.
I have no problem at all-
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I have no problem at all-
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With Bluetooth? If I stream music from Spotify or Groove with Bluetooth and try to use the device at the same time, like open the Maps app, the sound will start to stutter or the sound quality will turn bad. Sometimes it also just stops playing, and I have to wait for the music app to reload before it opens.
Sometimes Bluetooth does not auto connect, sometimes it can't connect at all and I have to restart phone.
Reading the MS feedback forums it seems like the Bluetooth problems affect all devices and all versions of W10M.
On witch phone? Mine is 640 xl.
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I have no problem at all-
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On witch phone? Mine is 640 xl.
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Its great if what you are saying is true. I still have Bluetooth issues with my Lumia 730
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On witch phone? Mine is 640 xl.
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Sorry, I have 950XL.