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touch pro 2 running android???

is it possible to flash a android rom on the touch pro 2??? would be nice to have the hero rom on my touch pro 2 idk if its even possible

Yeah if you want to brick your phone then go ahead
You should give it to someone who wants it so bad

Dude Android is a different OS with a completely different architecture.
You may be able to port Android functions to Windows Mobile if someone is willing to do it, but it's impossible to use Android on WinMo *yet*.

ilabstudios said:
Dude Android is a different OS with a completely different architecture.
You may be able to port Android functions to Windows Mobile if someone is willing to do it, but it's impossible to use Android on WinMo *yet*.
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I think he talks about running it nativelz on the phone...
I don|t know if you can think of a phone like a pc, but basically shouldnt it be possible to run android on the Rhodium with the right drivers and the right SPL ??

im just saying it would be nice i know its a diffrent os and i cant think of it as a pc but it all really is made by htc if u think about it if someone were able to find a way i would gladly run it on my touch...i realized when i hard reseted my phone it was very similar to when flashing the g1 thats y i asked

And don't forget they both run on the same Qualcomm MSM7200A. Making the supposition that they can be ported more plausible.

It's been ported quite nicely for the Vogue so I don't see why it couldn't be ported for the TP2. I think it just needs a dedicated dev team and a big enough user base to make it worthwhile... I'd definitely be interested in seeing that project come to light!

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It's been ported quite nicely for the Vogue so I don't see why it couldn't be ported for the TP2. I think it just needs a dedicated dev team and a big enough user base to make it worthwhile... I'd definitely be interested in seeing that project come to light!
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Yes I have a vogue (Winmo device) and have been using Android exclusively on it for the last month or so - it's fantastic! The reason I lurk in the TP2 thread is hoping Android gets ported over - I love the TP2 and its high on my "want" list but can't go back to Winmo - hopefully Android isn't too far off.

I would pay for it...
Seriously, by donation or actually having to pay for it I would have no issue forking out some dough for android on my TP2. As long as i had all the functions like wifi, 3g, bluetooth, etc. My concern is that the phone may run slower with the higher resolution screen but then again the g1 doesnt run at max cpu speeds on a stock build so maybe running it overclocked(max speed) can help. The battery life on my tp2 is wayyyy better than my g1 so if running the core faster is needed i feel the battery could keep up at least on the level of the g1. Also the additional ram may help too. Its strange how even people who dont know much about phones keep asking if i am gonna run android on it. I love my TP2 but its the hardware I love and the os is good but unless the winmo marketplace gets up an running the momentum android has is just too attractive.

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Seriously, by donation or actually having to pay for it I would have no issue forking out some dough for android on my TP2. As long as i had all the functions like wifi, 3g, bluetooth, etc. My concern is that the phone may run slower with the higher resolution screen but then again the g1 doesnt run at max cpu speeds on a stock build so maybe running it overclocked(max speed) can help. The battery life on my tp2 is wayyyy better than my g1 so if running the core faster is needed i feel the battery could keep up at least on the level of the g1. Also the additional ram may help too. Its strange how even people who dont know much about phones keep asking if i am gonna run android on it. I love my TP2 but its the hardware I love and the os is good but unless the winmo marketplace gets up an running the momentum android has is just too attractive.
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I agree. I would love to have Sense UI on my TP2 once I get it. I hate WinMo, the only reason I'm getting the TP2 is because it's such a siiiick device

I'm happy to find out that I am probably not the only person who fell in love with the device after demo'ing one from the T-Mobile store. I have used windows mobile since about 3 devices ago, got a G1, currently running Sense-UI and loving it!! If the Touch Pro 2 could port an android build over with enough Developer support it could easily be done, just as all the rom flashing we never though would be possible for the G1 but ended up doing daily =) Spread the word and keep asking for developer support, don't be afraid to flash a little cash to make it worth their time, and the community will push it in the right direction

NO!!!DO NOT RUN ANDRIOD ON YOUR TOUCH PRO 2. This is totally different with its own os and that will destroy your phone....

Guinea Pig.
I dont mind being the guinea pig with my TP2 if someone can come up with a way of running android on it. I have a g1 I can use in the mean time. I would even consider a temporary phone donation if this gets some serious attention. Of course I would need it back eventually lol.

Limlin said:
NO!!!DO NOT RUN ANDRIOD ON YOUR TOUCH PRO 2. This is totally different with its own os and that will destroy your phone....
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Uhm, no? Android runs through HARET, which you run from WinMO, then it closes down WinMO so that Android is the only OS running... and it runs off your SD-card. I have android on my old ELF, and I've ****ed up the install so many times, I dunno' what to do anymore, haha. Phone works fine.

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Uhm, no? Android runs through HARET, which you run from WinMO, then it closes down WinMO so that Android is the only OS running... and it runs off your SD-card. I have android on my old ELF, and I've ****ed up the install so many times, I dunno' what to do anymore, haha. Phone works fine.
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Oh, so this is how the Android runs on the phone. I was under the illusion that I have to delete winmo for the running of android.....(I should learn more about that....)

Interesting, I had a G1 and loved Android. I would pay/donate money to the cause.It's worth a shot with the TP2.

I would love to see this too. I have been using a G1 for the past year and love Android. I just ordered a TP2 however, but would really like to get Android on it eventually.

+1 i would love this aswell

I've been thinking about starting the port (have to wait until the 26th to get my TP2 sadly) for Android. Not great with coding but good enough to make tweaks and such to the linux kernel. If there are any others who are interested, maybe we should get together and get the ball rolling? The TP version should work on the TP2 (same hardware underneath still) with the exception of the screen and CPU. Anyway, if anyone here is good at coding for Linux/hardware/IO/etc, please shoot me an email/PM! Don't really have a need for guinea pigs yet since anything we do will need to be tested right away, not whenever the next guinea pig is available

Question/Opinion about the EVO 3D

hey all
i just wanted to get some of your feedback regarding the Evo 3D and the love/lack of love it will get from the development community.
I love the specs on it, but the new 3D technology and display seems like it could be hell AOSP devs to create roms for.
For example, it took nearly 9 months to get 4G fully working on CM (which i love and appreciate b/c it's been my daily driver since my G1). So i feel like the same type of delay would be in effect for all the new technology the 3D will have, such as the dual 5MP cameras.
Anyways, i could be completely off on my analysis of this.
The thing is, i would consider an upgrade to the 3D purely based off the dual core processor and other specs. But, if i can't have a functional, nice CM build for it, i honestly don't think i would go near it.
opinions?

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hey all
i just wanted to get some of your feedback regarding the Evo 3D and the love/lack of love it will get from the development community.
I love the specs on it, but the new 3D technology and display seems like it could be hell AOSP devs to create roms for.
For example, it took nearly 9 months to get 4G fully working on CM (which i love and appreciate b/c it's been my daily driver since my G1). So i feel like the same type of delay would be in effect for all the new technology the 3D will have, such as the dual 5MP cameras.
Anyways, i could be completely off on my analysis of this.
The thing is, i would consider an upgrade to the 3D purely based off the dual core processor and other specs. But, if i can't have a functional, nice CM build for it, i honestly don't think i would go near it.
opinions?
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I am certainly no developer but the existence of the Nexus S 4G should help to iron out any 4G issues that are left and make 4G available in any EVO 3D AOSP builds. AFAIK, I believe the biggest reason behind the delay in 4G for the EVO was that they basically had to build it from the ground up since they didn't have any AOSP source to modify for it.
As for the developer support, I was wondering the same. I really want the EVO 3D but I don't want to get stuck in a position like all the Epic users are with little developer and no CM support. I hate waiting but I might wait to see how much love each of the new phones gets before deciding which one to go with.
Chances are that since the Nexus is supposed to be released first and there is already a version available, that will be the phone that many people flock to. I had actually considered PM'ing a couple of my favorite developers (Toast, Flipzmode, Myn) and see what phones they were leaning toward. I think that the ease of rooting might also be a factor. If HTC and/or Samsung end up locking the phones down real tight, that might end up swaying some people one way or another.

Check out the Evo 3d forum...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1095
They just made it a few days ago so I don't think it shows up on the xda app yet.
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xHausx said:
Check out the Evo 3d forum...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1095
They just made it a few days ago so I don't think it shows up on the xda app yet.
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Just looked at it, it looks like joeykrim and toastcfh are in which means, at the very least, the thing will probably be rooted before it's released. And if anyone can get the 3D thing figured out, TeamWin can.

[Q] Would you buy this phone again?

OK, So I'm shopping for a new phone,
I've been enjoying getting my feet wet with a comparatively low end model & am becoming somewhat addicted to constantly tinkering, have managed to compile my own kernel and now feel the need for an upgrade.
This (Desire Z) is currently at the top of my list as it seems to be well supported by the dev community & I really want a qwerty keypad!
So, as users of this phone & knowing what you know now...
Would you buy this phone again?

Well, I love my Z and i think it works fast and the keyboard is amazing. But the problem these days is: Dual core phones are coming out a lot right now, and even the fast processor of the G2 can't compare to that. So, as much as i love my Desire Z, I would wait a while for a Dual Core HTC (like the Pyramid).
But ofcourse: If you REALLY want a phone right now, a Desire Z with an Otterbox Commuter case is my recommendation! (since I personally love the Otterbox case, hehe.)

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Well, I love my Z and i think it works fast and the keyboard is amazing. But the problem these days is: Dual core phones are coming out a lot right now, and even the fast processor of the G2 can't compare to that. So, as much as i love my Desire Z, I would wait a while for a Dual Core HTC (like the Pyramid).
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Cool, thanks for the input...
I hear what you're saying, my thinking right now is that in order to learn more about kernel & ROM development, is that I should be getting something that has a good amount of hacking & dev work behind it already.
The newer phones are less charted waters & I'm not experienced enough to be a pioneer
Will be sure to look at the otterbox case

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Cool, thanks for the input...
I hear what you're saying, my thinking right now is that in order to learn more about kernel & ROM development, is that I should be getting something that has a good amount of hacking & dev work behind it already.
The newer phones are less charted waters & I'm not experienced enough to be a pioneer
Will be sure to look at the otterbox case
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Yep, that's also true. And indeed, there is alof of development going on for the Desire Z, it's great. And so many awesome roms to choose from as well.

As Hubba88 said, at this point, I'd wait for a dual core like the HTC Pyramid/Sensation. But, I love my G2 and am very happy with the purchase. Great keyboard, capacitive buttons are in the right place, very responsive trackpad. All in all typically great HTC build quality. CyanogenMod support is a huge plus as well for this phone.

If I knew that the z hinge was going to be so ****ty no,I would not buy it again. I'd go for a unibody design instead.
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If the keyboard is important to you, as well as the tinkering aspect, then I reckon this is a good phone.
Not sure there has been much talk of dual core's with keyboards? So a real Desire Z upgrade may be some way beyond the next few HTC phones. Even then when they come out it takes time to build the developer base behind it and get rooting sorted etc. I moved a month and a bit ago and reckon there will be nothing to make me desperately want an upgrade for at least a year.
Look how well the desire has done and still does. The DZ has a better processor and more storage on board etc. The overclockability of the chip seems to be something that will extend its lifespan in terms of performance against the newer phones.
Always worth remembering that there is often quite a difference between phones being rumoured, then announced, and then actually on sale and being hacked. Therefore if a desire Z replacement is not yet in the rumours, it will likely be quite a while before its out there in the real world.
So yeah, I think its a good phone, although not perfect.
As I have insurance with my contract I will be OK with any problems with the Hinge - but none so far.

I voted yes but if I were in the market for a phone now I'd wait till the G2x was available and compare side by side. I suspect I'd get that one because it's newer, faster and has a more future proof AT&T compatible radio.

Thanks all for your input so far,
I've been following the Official thread on which phone should I get for some weeks which does talk about the latest & greatest dual core's an awful lot, but, as I said above the support & dev work that has gone into the DZ already is probably the biggest factor for me, it should give me a good base to work/learn from.
crazyC said:
Look how well the desire has done and still does. The DZ has a better processor and more storage on board etc. The overclockability of the chip seems to be something that will extend its lifespan in terms of performance against the newer phones.
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I saw in Hubba88's sig that 1.3Ghz is achievable, that seems more than fast enough given the apps that are currently available. I'm thinking it will take a while for any apps to be taking advantage of dual cores...
Re Hinge, well I can cope with that if it becomes an issue, the teardown & repair looks pretty straight forward.

waydownsouth said:
Thanks all for your input so far,
I've been following the Official thread on which phone should I get for some weeks which does talk about the latest & greatest dual core's an awful lot, but, as I said above the support & dev work that has gone into the DZ already is probably the biggest factor for me, it should give me a good base to work/learn from.
I saw in Hubba88's sig that 1.3Ghz is achievable, that seems more than fast enough given the apps that are currently available. I'm thinking it will take a while for any apps to be taking advantage of dual cores...
Re Hinge, well I can cope with that if it becomes an issue, the teardown & repair looks pretty straight forward.
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Even 1.9 ghz is achievable . And I haven't had any problems with my hinge, it's pretty sturdy.

If you need a phone now, get the DZ.
If you can wait, wait until the quad core phones come out in 2012.

I love my G2 but I would not buy this phone again. With Swiftkey I find that I never use the hardware keyboard which was the main reason I bought my G2. If I could go back in time I would get a Nexus S or maybe a galaxy s.

Obvious answer is obvious:
Why get the same phone again when it has been 6 months since it first came out, therefore rendering the phone "obsolete", so to speak. If I had half a grand cash in my pocket right now I would wait for the HTC Pyramid (Their Dual Core).

[Q] Android 4.0

Any chance of a tasty Ice Cream Sandwich please for the Hero ?
thanks to elelinux for a great rom

should be possible after the release of the source code (maybe next month?).
without the source it looks for me that it won't be possible to boot the emulator image on our hero, because it is compiled for armeabi-v7a (snapdragon cpu) only.

thank you for your post
booooo sounds like time for an upgrade

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should be possible after the release of the source code (maybe next month?).
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I think source code was already released
http://developer.android.com/sdk/android-4.0.html

That's different. SDK is not kernel source. That's why most honeycomb Ports aren't complete. No source was released.
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Loxxy said:
Any chance of a tasty Ice Cream Sandwich please for the Hero ?
thanks to elelinux for a great rom
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Maybe someone can get it to run. but I don't get my hopes up if I where you. if you look at 2.3 how that runs on the hero comparing to 2.2 and mostly 2.1. And 4.0 even more stuffed then I guess not

touch wood, 2.3.7 is working well for me on my Hero (dont really to upgrade just to get Android 4.0)
But keeping an eye on some HTC Desires on ebay nonetheless

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Maybe someone can get it to run.
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it probably will run. just wait for the source to be released.

I hope for a Vanilla 4.0, with no heavy CM mods

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it probably will run. just wait for the source to be released.
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I thinks so too.
I remember when on this forum we were discussing about porting Froyo 2.2. on the Hero...lol...

Its not long since the GB rom's were considered too fat for the hero. Look at us now..... mines has never been so quick.
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I completely agree with Prof Peach. GB was slow on first releases and now it flies so maybe it's hope for 4.0 too when the sources come out and them maybe it will boot on our Hero after the devs cast their magic.

yea, but don't forget the one and only honeycomb rom for gsm hero which JieeHD (I think) created from the sdk...
YES it was from sdk and so it was a miracle it ran at all, but it was SO slow that you couldn't even try the UI features of the rom. No the hardware didn't work at all, no data, wifi, etc, and that is all because it came from the sdk. That wasn't the purpose of the sdk build. It was just to play with the honeycomb UI, but even then the UI should have run alright if it was ever going to run on the hero.
However that rom (which I still have kicking around somewhere) showed me just how honeycomb was clearly made to run on much more powerful hardware than even gingerbread requires.
So I personally will be very surprised if it works well enough for daily use.
But then I'm running a gingerbread rom that is fast enough for daily use and perfectly stable... and I bet against that every happening back in teh day LoL.
I've been wrong before, and I hope you guys can prove me wrong again. I'm always happy to be wrong when I'm being pessimistic!

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To upgrade or not to upgrade?​ This is the big question for the android community!!!!
It will run on the hero, but since phones are getting bigger, i think it's gonna be kind of weird to run 4.0... We will have to see it ported firts
As far from what i see and what the google guys reported...every phone that can run GB can run ICS... so that means that there can't be a big problem to run the os, and since the nexus S will receive the update, that means that there is a way to disable the on screen buttons...
For the moment we stick with what we have !!! And we have to THANKS the devs that keep this phone alive. As for the part with upgrading to a new phone, i think we have to wait for the next gen of processors (quad core) or buy phones like nexus S that now are on slim prices
PS: since i got my tablet, i'm not so much into getting a new phone
Stefan

yea, tablets are awesome. Same here - I've used many android tablets and my employer supplies apple devices for my dev work at one company.
Tablets are awesome if you truly embrace them and buy whatever options you need to use them as virtual laptops effectively.

Agree with dkelley...if you have places where you can use them, it's better to have one...i use mine all the time, from movies and finishing with reading stuff.
I have to admin i was thinking on to buy a desire Hd / Nexus S...but not so shure
Stefan

yeah i love my Hero to bits, cost me £50 with Android 1.6 pre installed on it from some guy at work lol.
Whilst i can appreciate its an old handset etc etc, its running gingerbread like a dream, so would love to see the 'consolidated' release of 4.0 on there, i feel google will have dropped a legacy beat if only snapdragon cpus are supported.
admins feel free to move this to the Q&A sub-forum if required

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i think we have to wait for the next gen of processors (quad core)
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This is why I didn't upgrade my phone yet!
I would like to get a beast with 1200x800 display resolution, android 4.0 with the new Quad-Core CPU...
Basically, almost a gaming machine...

yukinok25 said:
This is why I didn't upgrade my phone yet!
I would like to get a beast with 1200x800 display resolution, android 4.0 with the new Quad-Core CPU...
Basically, almost a gaming machine...
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For me the Hero is a phone. and nothing more. It is a little smarter phone then my moms. She can text and call. I can do that and I can also send mail check agenda and navigate some. That is what I use my phone for. If I need more then I will use my laptop anyway. So the Hero with some easy rom is fine for me.
Android 4.0 will bring problems and stuff that I will never use anyway. If you look at most devs on the Hero forum. They are good porters and breakers of things. I am the last one, a breaker XD There are still a half hand full of devs for the Hero.
I think the CDMA will have 4.0 sooner then the Hero. But that is just my oppinion. If they ever get it...

And is there an upgrade for sgs2?
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HTC: Sense is better than stock android

Bwhahahahahaha
http://blog.laptopmag.com/htc’s-sense-guru-stock-android-4-0-just-not-good-enough
Thought you guys might need a good laugh today

Gotta appreciate the confidence.
captcha: 30 arvits

"According to Drew Bamford, HTC’s AVP of user experience...."

When I read this article I'm reminded of what it sounds like when the teacher is talking to charlie brown.
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well is the same as every mother thinks his ugly kid is the most beautiful in the world

He says,
"There are some subtleties to our design that I think make an improvement over the ICS design. For example, when you press that recent apps button, the current app zooms out and then moves over to the right so that the one that’s in the center was the previous app. And then probably 80 percent of the cases, at least, you’re switching to the most recent app, the previous app, and in that case ***you just press right in the center and there you are. So it actually optimizes for that most common case of going to the most recent application.***"
Huh. Kinda like with stock ICS where the last app is right in the bottom right where my thumb already is?

Yes I agree, HTC Sense is better then stock Android. I bought Nexus to use it with CM9 and AOKP, stock Nexus sucks....One S/X is much better

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Yes I agree, HTC Sense is NOT better than stock Android. I bought the Nexus to use it with CM9 and AOKP, stock Nexus is awesome....One S/X is terrible....
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Yes I agree, HTC Sense is better then stock Android. I bought Nexus to use it with CM9 and AOKP, stock Nexus sucks....One S/X is much better
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Good for you. CM9/AOKP are based off of Stock(and look very much like stock from what I've seen). Personally, Sense has always seemed like it tried to hard to look "elegant", but came out looking cartoonish. The added features didn't really seem all great either. Mind you, this is from my experience with the HTC Rezound. Plus, simple tasks like changing a ringtone was awkward and didn't work well. They never stuck.
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The recent apps window in Sense 4 is One (heh) of the few features I genuinely dislike about it.
A key point of the menu is to access apps you have been previously using. As the article says, In Sense 4, you can see one full app screen, and the edges of the two on either side. In stock ICS you get four full apps shown. Sure, HTC's one looks nice, but it's far less practical, regardless of what the guy who designed it claims. Add some fancy reflections to the stock ICS and it'd look every bit as flashy, too.
And don't get me started on white menu backgrounds. They look nasty, and now I can't use them in the dark without going blind!
The guy even says they didn't have long to tinker with it. Google, on the other hand, has been iterating this UI for a long time. They didn't just make a utilitarian, functional UI at the last minute to get ICS out the door. The fuss they made over Roboto should tell you that much.

Coming off of 3 years of using Sense (had the Hero, Evo 4G and Evo 3D), Sense is nice to look at--but if you want a quicker, more streamlined experience, then stock Android is the way to go. I missed it way too much after I got rid of my G1 a couple years back.
Stock ICS > Sense 4.0.

Coming from a sensation 4g using ARHD, there are a few sense features that google should pick up on.
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well he does work for HTC, so I could imagine they are proud of their work, it is the prettiest overlay for android and its has some useful widgets

Reading off of many reviews about Sense 4 (particularly The Verge's) many say that it does not bring anything new to the table that stock ICS already has.
Plus, many of the things Sense has can be implemented via third-party apps anyways. I never understood their need to insert their proprietary software in the device. Seems so limited and closed. Part of the reason why I hated Sense 3/3.5 on my EVO 3D.

IMHO, Sense was relevant and useful prior to ICS. Now, it just looks dated.
I appreciated sense on my Dinc but would never install a rom with Sense 4.0 on my Gnex.

Sense influenced the evolution of android back in its pioneering days. Since google hired Mathias duarte from webos to apple-ify the interface to make it more elegant and intuitive, there's no need for sense. I wish that these companies would just stick to proprietary apps or something for differentiation rather than screwing with the os. The only thing lacking from ics stock is pull down toggles and customize able nav bar icons. Aokp and some others solve that without ruining ics.
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What made sense amazing however is what it did for windows phone before android came out or just after. It actually made that crap useable.
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Jayrod1980 said:
What made sense amazing however is what it did for windows phone before android came out or just after. It actually made that crap useable.
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Ahhh....
*reminisces about Touchflo3D days*

chlehqls said:
Reading off of many reviews about Sense 4 (particularly The Verge's) many say that it does not bring anything new to the table that stock ICS already has.
Plus, many of the things Sense has can be implemented via third-party apps anyways. I never understood their need to insert their proprietary software in the device. Seems so limited and closed. Part of the reason why I hated Sense 3/3.5 on my EVO 3D.
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Marketing, that'd the only idea i can think of why the manufactures put it on, if they all ran vanilla (oh what a world it would be) they just pick thier style and run with it to separate themselves from other Android phones
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Isn't it true that having an HTC phone means, if you root, that you always have the choice of stock android or sense? Something any other phone lacks.