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The Htc Sensation Rom is Simply Beautifull !!!

hi everybody .. just finished to look the video of the Htc Sensation and i hope someone will port this rom on the DHD ..
PS : sorry for my english

The DHD questions section isn't really the best place to post a thread about how beautiful a rom for a completely different device is

Lol. It's possible.. but will take some time for sure.
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https://twitter.com/htc/statuses/58287330590601216
You got to be kidding me..... How can something like 'Sense' be to heavy to run on a 1ghz processor? Most app's don't even require this.

mesut19 said:
https://twitter.com/htc/statuses/58287330590601216
You got to be kidding me..... How can something like 'Sense' be to heavy to run on a 1ghz processor? Most app's don't even require this.
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Sense 3.0 will run on a 1ghz processor, its just marketing.

mlenderink said:
Sense 3.0 will run on a 1ghz processor, its just marketing.
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+1 its all about the business tactics.

we are building the sensation rom for dhd, will take some time though.....lots to do

Yup, you can follow the devs working on it in the dev thread! They have it sort of working now, although the different screen resolution seems to be a problem. However, they say it's working very smooth! No lag at all! So the 1Ghz is not a problem.
Just have to be patient for the resolution to be fixed... which seems to be a not so easy fix...

It runs fine on a DHD, I loaded the sense 3 alpha rom and it ran perfectly fine. It's currently non-functional and the resolution isn't ported yet.
+1 It's just marketing.

Maybe HTC is thinking on the battery life of their old phones.
Our 1GHz CPU has alot more work to do for the Sense 3.0 UI and they can't just shrink the already bad battery life.
That would make sense, as the Flyer is getting the new UI right? And it has the same CPU/GPU but a way bigger battery

now take a look at it again..
what is so special or surprising in this?

Could be to do with the current battery, but if you look at the improvements CoreDroid have made to their ROM, they have managed to get a much faster Sense ROM, but with much better battery, so surely HTC would be able to do this? CoreDroid claim to have better battery by 50%, if HTC managed to do the same, running a ROM made originally for a dual-core processor would result in the same battery life that we have now. Just think about it and you'll understand.
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It's HTC marketing, for people who don't know much about phones to make them upgrade.

True, but most people that get Android tend to know what they are doing, am I not correct? If you have never used Android before, and your phones due an upgrade, surely you would go for an iPhone, due to the ease of use and the general market share the iPhone has. And even if you did go for a top spec Android phone such as the Desire HD, why, just a few months after you have bought it, would you go out and buy a new phone just because if a software update and a few internal changes? As far as I'm concerned, if it is HTC using ways of Marketing, then they will be loosing me as a customer. I've gone from a Desire to a Desire HD on a contract upgrade, I only chose the Desire HD due to the updated sense, and that's gods honest truth, and now, 5 months later, I'm being told that my phones spec doesn't match up to that required of the new update, despite the fact that to-date the DhD is the most powerfules phone on sale in the UK. HTC's gonna loose customers if they keep showing off shiny new things, and not giving it to so-called 'respected customers'.
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jaaystott said:
True, but most people that get Android tend to know what they are doing, am I not correct? If you have never used Android before, and your phones due an upgrade, surely you would go for an iPhone, due to the ease of use and the general market share the iPhone has. And even if you did go for a top spec Android phone such as the Desire HD, why, just a few months after you have bought it, would you go out and buy a new phone just because if a software update and a few internal changes? As far as I'm concerned, if it is HTC using ways of Marketing, then they will be loosing me as a customer. I've gone from a Desire to a Desire HD on a contract upgrade, I only chose the Desire HD due to the updated sense, and that's gods honest truth, and now, 5 months later, I'm being told that my phones spec doesn't match up to that required of the new update, despite the fact that to-date the DhD is the most powerfules phone on sale in the UK. HTC's gonna loose customers if they keep showing off shiny new things, and not giving it to so-called 'respected customers'.
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Yeah I know what you mean, but 5 months is a long time in the technology world. Their marketing will try to convince anybody to upgrade since old stuff is not "good enough".
Desire HD is a SICK phone, I don't really see why to upgrade from it and that's maybe what they are tying to achieve with this marketing?
As you've said, noobs don't usually buy an android and if they do they probably go back to a iphone, so who are they trying to fool?

ErOR22 said:
Yeah I know what you mean, but 5 months is a long time in the technology world. Their marketing will try to convince anybody to upgrade since old stuff is not "good enough".
Desire HD is a SICK phone, I don't really see why to upgrade from it and that's maybe what they are tying to achieve with this marketing?
As you've said, noobs don't usually buy an android and if they do they probably go back to a iphone, so who are they trying to fool?
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Thanks for helping confirm what I put, HTC are fooling nobody because I doubt a lot of people are going to get the Sensation despite the beautiful UI. W have already proven it can work on the Desire HD, and your right it is a sick phone! I reckon HTC will eventually release the full 3.0 update, due to demand, but it will be well after the Sensation release.

gekrem said:
we are building the sensation rom for dhd, will take some time though.....lots to do
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POKER FACE..... really? it´s great!!!!! and thank´s of course gekrem!!!
pd: i think that there´s no problem with the processor we can do OVERCLOCK and set up performance!!!! only a little condition... bad battery drain..

[Q] Till when will the DEFY get completely OUTDATED??

Hey guys. I am thinking of buying a good budget android. And with the budget i have i would like to get a Motorola Defy. This phone for me will be a one time thing as i can't go on changing my devices every 8-9 months. So all i want to ask is till when will the defy get popular support and will be able to do what it does now before getting completely outdated(by this i mean the time when you just want to chuck your phone into the bin)
I'll be moving from a Symbian to my First Android device and of all things i know about Android this phones seems good to me(Except for the "LOCKED Bootloader thing")
So i want to use my defy as a primary device for at least a year and half (i know its too much but not possible for me to buy a device every other day). Is it possible with defy?

yeah, i think it is possible to use the defy for more than 1.5 years, at least i'm not planning to buy a new cell in a year there are rumors about motorola unlocking the bootloader and developing official 2.3 (gingerbread) to the defy, so if these are true, it will be supported for a long time. and hardware wise you don't have to worry, it is a high-end phone imo. so you should be fine

I just bought a Defy a little less than two weeks ago. Very similar position to yours - it's a one time thing, because my budget is limited, and the Defy offers nice hardware for the price. So despite the locked bootloader, I went for it. I think we'll be fine. The hacker community around this thing is awesome, not even the locked bootloader slows them down.

Outdated depends on what you do with your device.
Example: An entry level PC will last a home/student for as long as the physical parts last. Entry level PCs have 500GB HDD, 2-4GB DDR3 RAM, and most have a decent dual core CPU in them.
Gamers find themselves chasing technology quickly and things become outdated after a year. Faster memory, faster drives, bigger/badder GFX cards.
If you use your phone to surf the net, check emails, make and receive calls, take occassional photography, and listen to music then your phone will last as long as it physically lasts.
Now if you always want the "best" user experience (latest software versions, fastest phone) then your phone will not last 1.5 years. I love my Defy physically, but I wish I had Gingerbread. It is the best mid range Android Phone on the market right now. And it is durable to boot.
Most Compact Phone - 3.7" screen yet similar in size to an HTC Wildfire (3.2" screen).
Best Value for Money - Midrange phone with a high resolution 3.7" screen, 800MHz CPU.
Only mainstream Android phone that is durable.

nicksti said:
Now if you always want the "best" user experience (latest software versions, fastest phone) then your phone will not last 1.5 years. I love my Defy physically, but I wish I had Gingerbread.
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well for me outdated can be the time when your phone just stops performing the basic tasks and app and developer support is reduced to the minimum extent.
For ex. I am currently using a Nuron(s60v5) device and it was a great device when i brought it back in July 2010. The phone offered great smartphone capabilities but now with s^3 in the market all products are either not compatible with my device or run too slow for daily use (Opera mobile can't even keep two tabs running simantaneously in a 3g network).
So i believe the dev support here is great and the defy will get support even after motorola stops pushing updates to it. But the BOOTLOADER IS LOCKED and there is no official word on unlocking it.

zakoo2 said:
yeah, i think it is possible to use the defy for more than 1.5 years, at least i'm not planning to buy a new cell in a year there are rumors about motorola unlocking the bootloader and developing official 2.3 (gingerbread) to the defy, so if these are true, it will be supported for a long time. and hardware wise you don't have to worry, it is a high-end phone imo. so you should be fine
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yeah the spec sheet is comparable to a high end phone. And the performance is good too....
Btw are there any sources about the gingerbread update and unlocking bootloader....

Gusar321 said:
I just bought a Defy a little less than two weeks ago. Very similar position to yours - it's a one time thing, because my budget is limited, and the Defy offers nice hardware for the price. So despite the locked bootloader, I went for it. I think we'll be fine. The hacker community around this thing is awesome, not even the locked bootloader slows them down.
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Great man... Enjoy your device and hope that i get mine soon!!

Thanks Guys for helping. +1 to zakoo2, gusar321 and nicksti..
Sorry but had to keep each in seperate posts. As for some reason multi quote isn't working on my mobile.

arpit982 said:
Btw are there any sources about the gingerbread update and unlocking bootloader....
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info about unlocking the bootloader:
http://www.androidguys.com/2011/04/27/motorola-jumps-unlocked-bootloader-bandwagon/
and this is a leaked 'official' 2.3.3, !not final!:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1081957
hope this helps!

yeah, basically CM7 is running 2.3 aka gingerbread, so with such a healthy dev community, you'll probably get the best user experience the hardware can handle. im pretty sure you'll get to at least ice cream sandwich experince!

Hello !
I probably am in your situation too . I had a Nokia e63 for about 1 and a half year. The phone was great, but the lack of apps and the thing that most of them couldn't run on my device made me think about change
IMO Defy is one of the best choice on the market(good specs @ good price) and thanks to the hard working devs we have gingerbread(CM7/MIUI) and I hope some next releases will be ported to on this mobile device(like ice cream sandwich or future on releases).
Right now defy can run almost everything on the market with no problems !
I highly recommend you to go for this change ! Good Luck

I had a Samsung Galaxy S. Its huge, powerful and awesome. But I switched bcs, its practical, durable, almost as powerful and awesomer!

Desire HD ->Sensation/SGII

I'm concerned... My DHD is a super smartphone, but after all it's just a device that is getting "old".
I can't really say what will my next phone be. Sensation? GalaxySII?
The Sensation has good specs(although I played for a whole day with one, and it didn't seemed so fast), but lacks the beauty of the DHD.
SGS2 definitely has power on his side, and a amazing screen. But again, it's plastic body is hideos and overall seems like a larger Iphone.
So please tell me... what should I be looking at? I don't dig Sony Ericsson crapphones, nor other semimanufacturers like Motorola, LG, Huaweii or God knows what.

I guess an important question is, what do you need it for? That should inform your decision. (For me, I've never really seen the point in a dual-core phone, as I've never played a game on a phone and never will.)

Sensation and SGII getting old too - the next generation was in many previews, so wait for the future updates with better sound and displays and so on... If you want an actual smartphone, you have to buy one every two month. Dual and Quad Core are in all minds. They give you the chance for recording FULL HD Videos, navigate faster than before, play games with actual upcoming graphicchips...you must know, what you prefer. At this time the DHD has more abilities than the new HTC devices, because their resolutions are not supported by all apps. Also there are more specific roms and themes.

What do I need it for? What do you need it for? I use it at it's full potential, with games, various aps, recording, browsing, teethering etc etc.
Whoever buys a smartphone to use it a simple phone is not a normal person(no offence ).
Neo, your opinion is to wait for now. Probably you're right

I'll be very honest...I wouldn't be looking anywhere. Yes, the newer phones are more powerful, but trust me, if you upgrade, you aren't actually getting anything more. Dual core processors still aren't being utilised fully yet. The Sensation is literally nothing over a DHD with an official Sense 3.0 ROM, it's all very much the same.
To be honest, you've answered the question yourself. Stick with the DHD, you'll be happiest that way!

lambomanx1 said:
I'll be very honest...I wouldn't be looking anywhere. Yes, the newer phones are more powerful, but trust me, if you upgrade, you aren't actually getting anything more. Dual core processors still aren't being utilised fully yet. The Sensation is literally nothing over a DHD with an official Sense 3.0 ROM, it's all very much the same.
To be honest, you've answered the question yourself. Stick with the DHD, you'll be happiest that way!
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Second that motion!
I use my Desire HD with Sense 3.5 (RCMix3D Bliss ROM) and it performs very well. Once the bluetooth problem has been fixed, Capychimp will have an awesome ROM for us all...

lambomanx1 said:
Stick with the DHD, you'll be happiest that way!
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I guess that's what I've wanted to hear from the beginning.

pupilov said:
I guess that's what I've wanted to hear from the beginning.
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I know what you mean. I got my DHD when the dual core phones were coming out, on purpose; I knew it was going to be cheaper, and I knew I wasn't loosing out much. I rooted from the very start, then worried that I had made the wrong decision when the SGS2 and Sensation came out...looking at everything now though, it's pretty clear I haven't

ive been on my dhd 4 a yr now nd havent been fascinated by any of the recent phones.....although i still use stock roms.....i love the sense interface so sammy is definitely out of the question. all dual cores as i have been readng havent really been utilized yet...im eagerly anticipating sense 3.5 update....it would b a new experience smhow. other than that i guess the only phone i wish was there is an android htc portrait slider...u know smthng like the dell venue pro for WP. Anyone thnks were gettng smthng like that anytime from htc?

Stick with DHD...because it same man...if ur next phone is sensation/sgs2...it will be outdated to...maybe will be a quad core cpu maybe...the technology in growing fast...haha
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pupilov said:
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Neo, your opinion is to wait for now. Probably you're right
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You can see it in my signature.. i was often unable to wait, because i wanted to test all new systems...at least the WP7 UI, before i bought my DHD. I think, WP7 style is a modern way to operate with a smartphone, but today no abilities to have an individual style. Android UI is a new form of windows mobile, not really futuristic, but i can change all i want. On the DHD it´s nearly perfect at this time.
Maybe in one year i will use again a WP7 phone, because i like many of it´s features, especially the menus inside and the live tiles (with another style). But i hope, that google won´t sleep all the time and works also on new interfaces. The last updates remind me to the times, when windows mobile was updated. I miss the really impressive changes... see, what will come in the next years.

I would wait if i were you.... even the so called dual core are being updated. Word on the street is that dual core 1.2-1.5 GHz should be the standard before the end of the year....HTC have some nice lineup comming soon

I took your advises seriously. Me and my DHD are friends for almost a year now, so it has a few scratches and dents. So, in order to complete our "new" friendship, I send it back to HTC for a complete makeover(new housing and a internal cleaning ).
Thank you guys!

Desire getting old, what's the next Dev favorit?

I've had my desire for quite a while now, and i still like it, it is a good phone, but nonetheless it is also getting older.
I've noticed that there seems to be a bigger dev community for desire than other devices.
Wondering what the next favourite is.
I don't think it'll be desire s with it's single core cpu, 5mp camera & 1450 mAh battery.
HTC Amaze or Sensation both seems to be a better choice.
Where does the devs go for next?

I think for me its too early to tell. Desire has a lot of life still. I'm not upgrading until may but there's nothing now for me that blows the desire out of the water. I'm still enjoying my desire. Come may I may even go sim only
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majority of devs moved over to Sensation.

That is good to know, when you want a new phones, it's nice to know where the majority of devs are.

A fair few dev's seem to have vanished from here I think - but some went to DHD and most went to Sensation as far as I can tell.
I'm not going to be upgrading soon (maybe in 6 months or so I'll reconsider) - so hoping there's a fair bit of life left - we have sense 3.0 ports, sense 3.5 ports - I imagine the next big step is making a full featured, stable 3.5 with no major bugs, and then whatever ICS brings (sense 4.0 perhaps?) - if ICS can be ported over then anything after that might be a stretch I imagine

You think the Desire could handle ICS? Now I'm excited!!
My contract isn't up until May as well but I'll feel sad moving on because it's been such a great device. Just a pity about the low internal memory

It is too early for me to think my next phone. My Desire is still function very well and fulfill my need. But, up to now, I observed that many devs moved to Sensation.

Well if google chooses to release the sourcecode of ics the chances are very good that we can have it running on the desire.
However personally i'm thinking of moving to the new nexus device depending on the specs google release next week. It might take a couple of months or more before we will see it in Denmark.

mortenmhp said:
Well if google chooses to release the sourcecode of ics the chances are very good that we can have it running on the desire.
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they already said they would - they got a fair bit of stick for not releasing HC - it wouldn't make sense to back out of it again - although it will probably be a few months after the nexus device is released before the source is available I guess?

I would just love for a new device with a more powerful processor, but still the 3,7" screen.
More than 3,7" is too large. It won't fit in my pocket without me being afraid I might bend it.
I don't know if I should stick with HTC or get a LG or Samsung. They would probably run clean Android with LauncherPro etc. like I do now.
I'm a sucker for things running smooth (iTunes is a dealbreaker, always)

Samsung Galaxy Note
I want a tablet , but I also want a phone , this seams to be the best of both worlds .
However , I wont be bale to buy anything till April next year , so by then the quad core phones will be out!

I am wondering the same... tomorrow I may sell my lovely Desire, and then add some money... but I don't know what to get. I am think about Sensation or Galaxy S II.
What do you guys think? Any third option? Btw, HTC Sense is a plus to me, I like it.

I didn't see this post before i added my own. Should've searched really. I don't think there is anything out at the moment that is taking my fancy. I didn't understand the release of the desire s or the need for HTC to release so many phones in such a short space of time.
The desire name is one of the greats in the mobile business and one they will continue to use...so im hoping there will be a new version by the time i can upgrade.
HTC Desire

Sexywacko said:
I didn't see this post before i added my own. Should've searched really. I don't think there is anything out at the moment that is taking my fancy. I didn't understand the release of the desire s or the need for HTC to release so many phones in such a short space of time.
The desire name is one of the greats in the mobile business and one they will continue to use...so im hoping there will be a new version by the time i can upgrade.
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Totally agree.
And I can use, with it, the last software at the moment (inclusive Sense)
I hope my desi keeps alive six months more, or a year.
Salu2
Enviado desde mi HTC Desire usando Tapatalk

I only like my desire fast so I haven't bothered with anything above sense 1.9. I will be sticking with supernova for the a while.
Sent from my HTC Desire using xda premium

At the moment Desire can still keep up with the new flagship phones although they are already much better than the good old Desire.
I wonder, what and when I should get a new Android smartphone...or...tablet.
Something like:
Amoled or better screen
3.7-4.0" screen size
max 15mm thick body
Quadcore proc
at least 1GB RAM
at least 16 GB internal memory for ROM, davlik cache, etc....and still expandable by using memory card.
Front and back facing camera
HD1080 smooth playback
at least 8-10 hours battery life on permanent usage...not on standby...
aluminium unibody...I just can not resist this type of casing...
gorilla glass
rootable
s-off-able
costs max €500

aaa said:
At the moment Desire can still keep up with the new flagship phones although they are already much better than the good old Desire.
I wonder, what and when I should get a new Android smartphone...or...tablet.
Something like:
Amoled or better screen
3.7-4.0" screen size
max 15mm thick body
Quadcore proc
at least 1GB RAM
at least 16 GB internal memory for ROM, davlik cache, etc....and still expandable by using memory card.
Front and back facing camera
HD1080 smooth playback
at least 8-10 hours battery life on permanent usage...not on standby...
aluminium unibody...I just can not resist this type of casing...
gorilla glass
rootable
s-off-able
costs max €500
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reading this i was thinking why no one make an online mobile store when everyone can assemble its own phone, like its already possible for the desktop computers lol

@ aaa..
Spot on. Was thinking the same kinda thing myself. I don't want a screen over 4" max. Starts getting too big for your pocket.
Just my opinion....

andQlimax said:
reading this i was thinking why no one make an online mobile store when everyone can assemble its own phone, like its already possible for the desktop computers lol
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Hmmm... your own customized Android smartphone..do not make me start to drool... LOL ...

I want the Desire 2 with the exact shape/form factor as Desire with update technology such as dual core A9, AMOLED Plus, BT 4.0, ICS with Sense x.x , 1 GB of RAM, 8mp with 1080p, 4GB internal memory with MicroSD, rooted and s-off.

What phone to get after Desire?

I had HTC Desire for nearly 3 years, and it is a great phone, but I think it is time to upgrade, because:
- it is annoyingly slow with my regular set of programs installed, even on fastest available roms
- it doesn't have kernel 3.0, and because of that JB roms have shortcomings
- a little bit too small screen for GPS navigation
- really crappy camera
- somewhat short battery life
Some time ago I had a chance to look at Galaxy S2 in person and it looked like a perfect phone (at least for 2 minutes I had it in my hands).
Somewhat bigger screen, more internal storage, kernel 3.0.
I use custom roms, so big development community is important for me. I have been spoiled by Desire as it (still) has a large one.
Galaxy S2 would cost me around 170-200 euro to get it.
Should I take that, or look for something else in this price range?
My requirements:
- larger screen (not necessarily much larger)
- android (duh)
- solid build quality
- large development community
- noticeably faster CPU than Desire (Dual+ core would come in handy)
- microUSB
- good/very good camera
- good battery life
- price up to 200 euro (used)
- would be nice if it had FM transmitter (not receiver) but it is not necessary
- it must by BLACK or therebout

I also considered s2 but there's one serious setback to it. Namely, the screen is amoled and without pentile matrix.
What's bad about it you ask? pixels that are frequently used lose color and items that you have on screen for most time are somewhat paler than the rest of the screen, and you can see their shadow for the whole time, ppl reported that with all amoled displays and non pentile of s2 is even more susceptible to that. That happens even to devices 3 months old, depending on how heavily they are used I guess. You can google it to see for yourself, just type galaxy s2 amoled burn in. There are also few good YouTube vids showing that. Items that you usually can see are burned in status bar, soft keys from your most used app, keyboard, alarm icon and "fully charged" sign across the screen as during night charging the phone lights up when battery is full and keeps the screen on until you turn it off or unplug it/on some ROMs at least, stock including/.

Is Desire not affected by that?
Then what else would you suggest?

Only first edition of desire pvt1 I believe had amoled screens, the rest are sporting slcd which is not organic and does not suffer from this burn in effect.

impactor said:
I had HTC Desire for nearly 3 years, and it is a great phone, but I think it is time to upgrade, because:
- it is annoyingly slow with my regular set of programs installed, even on fastest available roms
- it doesn't have kernel 3.0, and because of that JB roms have shortcomings
- a little bit too small screen for GPS navigation
- really crappy camera
- somewhat short battery life
Some time ago I had a chance to look at Galaxy S2 in person and it looked like a perfect phone (at least for 2 minutes I had it in my hands).
Somewhat bigger screen, more internal storage, kernel 3.0.
I use custom roms, so big development community is important for me. I have been spoiled by Desire as it (still) has a large one.
Galaxy S2 would cost me around 170-200 euro to get it.
Should I take that, or look for something else in this price range?
My requirements:
- larger screen (not necessarily much larger)
- android (duh)
- solid build quality
- large development community
- noticeably faster CPU than Desire (Dual+ core would come in handy)
- microUSB
- good/very good camera
- good battery life
- price up to 200 euro (used)
- would be nice if it had FM transmitter (not receiver) but it is not necessary
- it must by BLACK or therebout
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Go for SGS2+. It is newer phone, available almost at the same price as SGS2, probably have warranty and no burn-in effect of any major cosmetic wear.
But I think there is no black variant, but dark blue.
Price is 200-230 EUR.

HTC sensation
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dvd777 said:
Go for SGS2+. It is newer phone, available almost at the same price as SGS2, probably have warranty and no burn-in effect of any major cosmetic wear.
But I think there is no black variant, but dark blue.
Price is 200-230 EUR.
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What is the model number of that one? Galaxies have very confusing customer names.

impactor said:
What is the model number of that one? Galaxies have very confusing customer names.
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I9105 if l'm not mistaken.
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S2+ makes no sense, is more expensive than regular s2, has same screen with same setbacks and worse gpu, videocoreiv vs Mali 400.
Sensation seems good, but I've got no experience with that phone.

If you want a dev community supporting your device, avoid htc phones. HTC is terribly slow when it comes to releasing updates and sources.
If I helped, hit the thanks button!

What you like
totalnoob34 said:
If you want a dev community supporting your device, avoid htc phones. HTC is terribly slow when it comes to releasing updates and sources.
If I helped, hit the thanks button!
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I disagree with you. But again, it is on him to pick something that he likes. We are here to suggest him.
I like HTC Because of Sense,speed (on some new devices) new features big rom list's etc. I dont like samsung bcs every new phone (LG,ZTE,Nokia,Sony, and many more) are copy of Samsung,Same android UI, same phone design i will say. JUST A COPY .
HTC Have some original from begining of production for me that is a great and like i sayed i will suggest you to buy some HTC Model (HTC One X, HTC Sensation.not new but very good, HTC One v (it is not so special but it is very good,speed, and it is very Cheap)
But if you want to buy some other phone mark Yes i will suggest you to but SGSII or SGSIII Mini. Mini have small Display but have great camera great speed great support and what is importatt you can find it for 170/80 Eur
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+1 for the sensation, i baught mine used for 100 euro and its like brand new, i got it off a guy cheap coz it was stuck in bootloader lol, i got it home, flashed a ruu then s-off & rooted and it has great dev support, loads of sense roms, 3.5 - 3.6 - 4.1 - 4+ and now waiting for team venom to release sense 5. Also loads of JB - AOSP roms and 4.3 JB roms, really is a great phone with good hardware to handle all roms.

About sensation, the newer roms have working camera/video or is it stuck with that issue like our old desires?
And how do you cope without the trackpad, I tend to write lengthy emails/forum posts and it's a great tool when I want too correct something, yet no other phone has it. does it mean trouble for guys like me?

freebird24h said:
About sensation, the newer roms have working camera/video or is it stuck with that issue like our old desires?
And how do you cope without the trackpad, I tend to write lengthy emails/forum posts and it's a great tool when I want too correct something, yet no other phone has it. does it mean trouble for guys like me?
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everything works, and i never really used trackpad on the desire.

I would never buy sensation. Death grip issues and dust under screen glass is way too much for me. Sgs2+ is ftw in my opinion.
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Meh, I am stuck.
I read around here that s2 display is horrible when compared to s3.
s3 has even cheaper feel, and is 100-170e more expensive
Sensation is useless to me.
Price of S4 is absurd...

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Meh, I am stuck.
I read around here that s2 display is horrible when compared to s3.
s3 has even cheaper feel, and is 100-170e more expensive
Sensation is useless to me.
Price of S4 is absurd...
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What bout One X/S? In ireland they going for bout 175 - 225 euro, good all round phone and fairly solid.

One S would be good bargain, but no official 4.2.2 for him. He is eol already, unfortunately. One X is expensive, like S3.
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My friend is selling his One X for 200 euro in mint condition, he dont use it, its just sitting in his drawer. I was gona buy it but i always wanted a sensation lol. If ur interested i could say to him, he has it a while so maybe i can get it cheaper for u. Postage would be round 10 euro. Let me know
P.S - im not dodgy r that, user k3lcior had no gps antenna so i gave him mine from my desire (coz my desire is dead), free of charge, and i posted it to poland.

well if I may make a suggestion, I would say get the Nexus 4
Pros: (according to what you listed)
larger screen and clearer screen
will always have the latest and greatest Android OS since its from Google
I don't remember the build quality on it but I know its at least better than the desire
haven't checked the dev support but since its a bit more open.... should still be better than the desire
very fast 1.5GHz quad-core CPU
microUSB
8MP camera and a 1.3MP front cam
decent 2,100 mAh battery
and most importantly it comes in Black
Cons:
its $300 which about 224 euros (so slightly over budget although sorta worth it)
no FM trasmitter
limited storage and no SD card expansion
so really its an amazing phone, its mainly only brought down by not having an SD card slot but if you find the 8 or 16GB models fine then I'd say go for it.