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[Q] Pre-purchase questions!

Hello there dear Desire Z community!
I am thinking of upgrading my htc desire for a deisre z but i am torn between the DZ and galaxy S..So i went ahead and decided to ask a list of factors before i make my purchase (because i am obviously leaning towards the Z)..
1) and most probably most important.How is the battery life (e.g compared to a desire-n1) ?
2)is the screen viewable under direct sunlight? (desire sucked at this)
3)how is it in terms of GPU graphics compared to these devices? : iphone4 ,galaxy s,desire hd?
4)Does it suffer from the same multitouch bug the deisre/n1 do?And if not it can use true multitouch or dual touch?
5)How is the dev support around here? i know CM is also supporting a rom for DZ/G2 ,but are there are others devs doing nice work on the device?
6)Is there anything u miss from this device ?

36 views and no reply?i only asked because these questions can be answered by only someone that has lived with the phone for a while..

It does have proper multi-touch, but I can't answer your other questions, since this is my first Android phone. And I love it

steviewevie said:
It does have proper multi-touch, but I can't answer your other questions, since this is my first Android phone. And I love it
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appreciate your feedback sir..enjoy your new handheld!

1) Battery life is amazing, much better than the N1. I can stretch around 18 hours with HEAVY use (mostly texting non-stop )
2) Under direct sunlight the phone does pretty well, just have to crank up the brightness. Remember, this is no S-AMOLED, but still does pretty well.
3) Best GPU I've had so far, Comes pretty close to the Galaxy S.
4) No multi touch problems Tracks 4 fingers independently
5) We have awesome dev support Most notably Enom and Cyanogen himself and the dev support will only increase over time...
6) Coming from a N1, I can say I don't miss anything. The G2 is a proper successor to the N1, better then that crap Samsung Nexus S garbage.
Note: GALAXY S IS COMPLETE GARBAGE. Feels like a cheap plastic toy

I forgot who it was, and what thread. But there is somebody on here that switched from a Galaxy S to the Vision, and he said the Vision was a much better phone. Do some reading on the CPU lag and GPS issues on the Galaxy S to help you decide. Also, being an HTC device, and also since it has the hardware keyboard, the Vision will likely remain a favorite of developers for some time.

In my opinion, the Vision is only the SECOND android phone worth owning. The first being the Dream. N1 wasn't good -- touch screen keyboards are ok for punching in something very SHORT, like a market search term, but anything longer and you're bashing your head against a wall. Faster or not, a lack of a keyboard is DEBILITATING. What can you do with fast if you can't get your data into it. All other keyboard androids suffered from retard issues, like incorrect button alignment and/or being motorola.
Also note that the Vision is the direct successor of the Dream (not the N1). I.e., a vision is kind of like a dream, but more powerful. It has basically the same characteristics of the Dream, but more and faster. The naming is also designed to imply a succession.... Its "vision" as in having a vision of the future, rather than "vision" as in seeing something with your eyes.

Thats great!thanks for the feedback and extra info all of u guys...i guess it turns out the only thing i miss is the better screen part..I think i will enjoy the hw kb!

[Q] theEVO, the camera, and ROMs...?

Hello EVO users,
I am new to the EVO section, but not to XDA. So I thought I would shoot a quick question or two, perhaps helping me make the most important decision I will make this year.
About to get my upgrade from the Hero in a few weeks, and like any android obsessed nerd, been browsing the specs, comparisons, etc, but most importantly browsing the ROM forums here on XDA.
And of course, the two phones I am looking at (since I am on Sprint) are the EVO vs the Epic. (Perhaps a mild interest in the Shift, but that has yet to really be reviewed enough for me to consider just yet.)
When one considers ROMs, community dev, the obvious winner here is the EVO. (Just Look at all those lovely ROMs! And MIUI even!) And likely, because of that, I will be getting an EVO.
My main question/topic for posting today is this, and perhaps someone can enlighten me:
Looking at most of the camera comparisons, the Epic is (imho) a clear winner. Natural colors, better definition, better night video, etc. And to be frank, I am a bit of a shutterbug with my phone. So there is my reason for hesitation at all. Of course, anything has to be better than my Hero, and the better CPU would (i assume) mean that I could take full res pics without a 20 sec "post processing time" lag.
Obviously, specs-wise, the EVO should be better. And from what I am reading, HTC in some misguided attempt to improve... something... is over-saturating the colors. On purpose? And loosing res as an result? (And perhaps, regardless of MPs, the lens on the Epic is a better glass?)
So, is this a function of the software, or something inherent on the CMOS? Or some other hardware based issue? OR, is this software based, something that a different camera app would fix, or something that has been "fixed" in a ROM with better drivers/software?
Feel free to enlighten me on anything/everything that I may not be considering on this. (I repair/build computers for a living, and been an Android rooter-flasher for about a year now. Still, there is much I don't know, and even less on these phone specifically.)
Further, if anyone wishes to get off topic here, tell me anything else I might want/need to know, either for or against choosing either of these phones, feel free. Like ... GPU? (Epic "has" one, EVO does not?) Screen glass/brightness? Battery life improvement with new ROMs?
Thanks for your time!

i have rooted many evo and epics. But i own the EVO myself
Cyanogen has made major camera improvements to the evo. Has all kinds of tweaks that make amazing pics if you know what you are doing.
There is a xda thread of ppl posting their pics with their evos and many of them are amazing.
Also the cyanogen team is working hard on the 2.3 gingerbread. Have been running it on my evo for the last two weeks and it is amazing. Gets updated almost everyday and is getting better and better.
I do wish someone would make some nice panarama features for the evo like the epic has.
Also way better cases for phones that do not have slide out keyboards. I rock ballistic case because i work constructions and it is the best.
Anything else you want to know just ask!

Honeycomb Porting

Hi please remove this if it is not in the right place. Ok so i was in the Magic forum and i found that they have a Honeycomb rom in the making. Since the Magic has a mdpi screen i thought it would be nice to port it on to our Silde. Now with that in mind is there a dev out there that may want to guide me through the porting process? I have permission by the dev of the original rom to port it once it comes out. Any help would be much appreciated.
Original thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=974038

Thats possible? I thought the core of honeycomb was built to run on tablets purely
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I thought that too but devs started to ported to HDPI phones like the N1 and NS but I didn't think I see on our MDPI phones until I came over this thread... hopefully someone can help me port it over
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but the slide's screen is micro sized compared to a tablet.
any phone, for that matter doesn't have the proper screen real estate to take advantage of honeycomb features
maybe the dell streak. maybe....

I agree, 3.0 was designed as a tablet OS, not a phone OS.
Like the post above me says, no phone really has the resolution to take advantage of things like tabbed browsing and other tablet features, at least not efficiently or realistically. Plus, seeing as most tablets are at LEAST 800 mhz, most being 1 GHz or more, it probably would run slower than froyo and gingerbread on our phones. It probably would use a lot more RAM/CPU/GPU resources, making the whole system overall laggier. I think it might be cool to have a honeycomb ROM, but honestly, it's not very practical, it may not be worth it.

You may have a point but I'm doing it to support the Slide community which is slowly being traded for other phones... plus I think ill be pretty cool to run honeycomb on my Slide
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Yeah it would be cool, and it would be an addition to a slow community. Go for it, if it can be built for the magic, surely it can run on our phones, seeing as our phones are from a later generation of android devices than the dream/magic/sapphire.

Im just asking for some assistance considering that dev skills have not been developed yet and was hoping that this task would help me there.

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You may have a point but I'm doing it to support the Slide community which is slowly being traded for other phones...
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lol, i just joined the slide community last week.
and i'm here to stay. go for it!

This is vid of it on G1...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RKEHfOwnSI&feature=player_embedded

Guys it is more like a proof of concept. It will be fun to run it to show off or to look at honeycomb but I'm sure it is not meant to be a daily driver for any phone. I would love a HoneyComb ROM and I could test it for you (I know adb, fastboot, and I can get logcat for you if needed).
If it can run on G1 I bet it can run on our slide (I'm not saying full speed but at a decent speed to mess with the ROM)

If it can run on G1, it will be much smoother on Slide because we have a better CPU and a much better GPU than G1 has. And we also have 320Mbs more RAM.

I have to wait till they release the alpha rom so that i can start messing with it

[Q] Would you buy this phone again?

OK, So I'm shopping for a new phone,
I've been enjoying getting my feet wet with a comparatively low end model & am becoming somewhat addicted to constantly tinkering, have managed to compile my own kernel and now feel the need for an upgrade.
This (Desire Z) is currently at the top of my list as it seems to be well supported by the dev community & I really want a qwerty keypad!
So, as users of this phone & knowing what you know now...
Would you buy this phone again?

Well, I love my Z and i think it works fast and the keyboard is amazing. But the problem these days is: Dual core phones are coming out a lot right now, and even the fast processor of the G2 can't compare to that. So, as much as i love my Desire Z, I would wait a while for a Dual Core HTC (like the Pyramid).
But ofcourse: If you REALLY want a phone right now, a Desire Z with an Otterbox Commuter case is my recommendation! (since I personally love the Otterbox case, hehe.)

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Well, I love my Z and i think it works fast and the keyboard is amazing. But the problem these days is: Dual core phones are coming out a lot right now, and even the fast processor of the G2 can't compare to that. So, as much as i love my Desire Z, I would wait a while for a Dual Core HTC (like the Pyramid).
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Cool, thanks for the input...
I hear what you're saying, my thinking right now is that in order to learn more about kernel & ROM development, is that I should be getting something that has a good amount of hacking & dev work behind it already.
The newer phones are less charted waters & I'm not experienced enough to be a pioneer
Will be sure to look at the otterbox case

waydownsouth said:
Cool, thanks for the input...
I hear what you're saying, my thinking right now is that in order to learn more about kernel & ROM development, is that I should be getting something that has a good amount of hacking & dev work behind it already.
The newer phones are less charted waters & I'm not experienced enough to be a pioneer
Will be sure to look at the otterbox case
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Yep, that's also true. And indeed, there is alof of development going on for the Desire Z, it's great. And so many awesome roms to choose from as well.

As Hubba88 said, at this point, I'd wait for a dual core like the HTC Pyramid/Sensation. But, I love my G2 and am very happy with the purchase. Great keyboard, capacitive buttons are in the right place, very responsive trackpad. All in all typically great HTC build quality. CyanogenMod support is a huge plus as well for this phone.

If I knew that the z hinge was going to be so ****ty no,I would not buy it again. I'd go for a unibody design instead.
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If the keyboard is important to you, as well as the tinkering aspect, then I reckon this is a good phone.
Not sure there has been much talk of dual core's with keyboards? So a real Desire Z upgrade may be some way beyond the next few HTC phones. Even then when they come out it takes time to build the developer base behind it and get rooting sorted etc. I moved a month and a bit ago and reckon there will be nothing to make me desperately want an upgrade for at least a year.
Look how well the desire has done and still does. The DZ has a better processor and more storage on board etc. The overclockability of the chip seems to be something that will extend its lifespan in terms of performance against the newer phones.
Always worth remembering that there is often quite a difference between phones being rumoured, then announced, and then actually on sale and being hacked. Therefore if a desire Z replacement is not yet in the rumours, it will likely be quite a while before its out there in the real world.
So yeah, I think its a good phone, although not perfect.
As I have insurance with my contract I will be OK with any problems with the Hinge - but none so far.

I voted yes but if I were in the market for a phone now I'd wait till the G2x was available and compare side by side. I suspect I'd get that one because it's newer, faster and has a more future proof AT&T compatible radio.

Thanks all for your input so far,
I've been following the Official thread on which phone should I get for some weeks which does talk about the latest & greatest dual core's an awful lot, but, as I said above the support & dev work that has gone into the DZ already is probably the biggest factor for me, it should give me a good base to work/learn from.
crazyC said:
Look how well the desire has done and still does. The DZ has a better processor and more storage on board etc. The overclockability of the chip seems to be something that will extend its lifespan in terms of performance against the newer phones.
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I saw in Hubba88's sig that 1.3Ghz is achievable, that seems more than fast enough given the apps that are currently available. I'm thinking it will take a while for any apps to be taking advantage of dual cores...
Re Hinge, well I can cope with that if it becomes an issue, the teardown & repair looks pretty straight forward.

waydownsouth said:
Thanks all for your input so far,
I've been following the Official thread on which phone should I get for some weeks which does talk about the latest & greatest dual core's an awful lot, but, as I said above the support & dev work that has gone into the DZ already is probably the biggest factor for me, it should give me a good base to work/learn from.
I saw in Hubba88's sig that 1.3Ghz is achievable, that seems more than fast enough given the apps that are currently available. I'm thinking it will take a while for any apps to be taking advantage of dual cores...
Re Hinge, well I can cope with that if it becomes an issue, the teardown & repair looks pretty straight forward.
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Even 1.9 ghz is achievable . And I haven't had any problems with my hinge, it's pretty sturdy.

If you need a phone now, get the DZ.
If you can wait, wait until the quad core phones come out in 2012.

I love my G2 but I would not buy this phone again. With Swiftkey I find that I never use the hardware keyboard which was the main reason I bought my G2. If I could go back in time I would get a Nexus S or maybe a galaxy s.

Obvious answer is obvious:
Why get the same phone again when it has been 6 months since it first came out, therefore rendering the phone "obsolete", so to speak. If I had half a grand cash in my pocket right now I would wait for the HTC Pyramid (Their Dual Core).

[Q] DEVS: Port a Port from DHD?

Been dead from the phone game a bit... so
forgive the ignorance if that is what this is, but
can http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1539423 now be ported back to the EVO to get working cams and such and also to play with Sense 4.0 while I await an HTC Nexus announcement?

Circular Pastry said:
Been dead from the phone game a bit... so
forgive the ignorance if that is what this is, but
can http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1539423 now be ported back to the EVO to get working cams and such and also to play with Sense 4.0 while I await an HTC Nexus announcement?
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A 3.0 Linux kernel is still needed to further progress on a sense 4 port
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Yup currently, only the_plattypus is working on a 3.0 kernel for his sense 4 rom. Im sure we would have one, but the evo is a 2+ year old device and everyone has moved onto the latest and greatest. Sense 4a should be the smoothest sense version on the evo since it only requires 512 ram and a 1 ghz processor, other than sense 1.0. I wish i knew how to build a 3.0 kernel, since i really wanted to use sense 4 and i have this phone till april next year... Im sure the evo 4g section will be pretty dead by then...

thanks for the responses! I guess we'll see what happens.
Still some life in my G1! I'm hoping someone gets it going,
or maybe I'll dig into the os more than I have in the past...

I was also wondering the same question about the Inspire 4g which has a Rom here on XDA that states everything is working including FFC http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1849074. It uses the same resolution Cameras as the OG Evo. So does the Huawai Mercury which also gained ICS. There are other phones that use the same rez Camera as the OG Evo that got ICS and have been trying to find the answer if they could be ported over. I can upgrade but in comparison to my OG all other phones are lacking and found nothing worthy of my effort to change phones. Maybe the next drop in Feb will bring one but as to date they fail horribly.

Fangstien said:
I was also wondering the same question about the Inspire 4g which has a Rom here on XDA that states everything is working including FFC http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1849074. It uses the same resolution Cameras as the OG Evo. So does the Huawai Mercury which also gained ICS. There are other phones that use the same rez Camera as the OG Evo that got ICS and have been trying to find the answer if they could be ported over. I can upgrade but in comparison to my OG all other phones are lacking and found nothing worthy of my effort to change phones. Maybe the next drop in Feb will bring one but as to date they fail horribly.
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It's not about the res. It's about the drivers and kernel. New drivers need to be written from scratch as well as the 3.0 kernel.
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