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[Q] HTC Sense or Cyanogen?

Ok, I want to give the Cyanogen ROM a go, but I want to know which is better with your opinions, and since I'm on a Sense ROM at the moment, if I did a nand backup, wiped etc, flashed Cyanogen and found it difficult to get used to, would I be able to go back with just a nand restore?
Thank You
Tazur Rahman

sHaHiN786 said:
Ok, I want to give the Cyanogen ROM a go, but I want to know which is better with your opinions, and since I'm on a Sense ROM at the moment, if I did a nand backup, wiped etc, flashed Cyanogen and found it difficult to get used to, would I be able to go back with just a nand restore?
Thank You
Tazur Rahman
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I went cyanogen rc2-thyrus theme,launcher pro.It blows sense to ****.
More ram spare ,overclock,smoother and i can take the piss out of the misses as she's on sense.Personally i am 100% happy i flashed.
yep you just flash a backup using clockworkmod and you are back to normal.
Only problem i have found is should i use adw launcher or launcher pro ,they both have there ups and downs.
Make sure you install the google apps when you flash cyanogen.

ciderz said:
I went cyanogen rc2-thyrus theme,launcher pro.It blows sense to ****.
More ram spare ,overclock,smoother and i can take the piss out of the misses as she's on sense.Personally i am 100% happy i flashed.
yep you just flash a backup using clockworkmod and you are back to normal.
Only problem i have found is should i use adw launcher or launcher pro ,they both have there ups and downs.
Make sure you install the google apps when you flash cyanogen.
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Does this completely void the warranty though? Just read it on the Cyanogen thread.
Regards.
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In theory you've already voided your warranty by flashing s-off bootloader
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ciderz said:
I went cyanogen rc2-thyrus theme,launcher pro.It blows sense to ****.
More ram spare ,overclock,smoother and i can take the piss out of the misses as she's on sense.Personally i am 100% happy i flashed.
yep you just flash a backup using clockworkmod and you are back to normal.
Only problem i have found is should i use adw launcher or launcher pro ,they both have there ups and downs.
Make sure you install the google apps when you flash cyanogen.
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nice screens, what clock is that?

rosswaa said:
nice screens, what clock is that?
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It's called SiMiclock.

nickhammond121 said:
In theory you've already voided your warranty by flashing s-off bootloader
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Cheers. Foolish me.

ciderz said:
I went cyanogen rc2-thyrus theme,launcher pro.It blows sense to ****.
More ram spare ,overclock,smoother and i can take the piss out of the misses as she's on sense.Personally i am 100% happy i flashed.
yep you just flash a backup using clockworkmod and you are back to normal.
Only problem i have found is should i use adw launcher or launcher pro ,they both have there ups and downs.
Make sure you install the google apps when you flash cyanogen.
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Wahey!! I'm now on Cyanogen, so bloody awesome!! I'm loving it, the fact that you could tewa the equalizer means bye bye to Dolby, I prefer using my personal tweak, everything is amazing, so far battery's running right, I hope it stays this way, thanks for your recommendation, where did you get your theme? I'm currently on the Lucid theme.
Thanks

Hi guys, I'm currently on a Sense based ROM but very interested in trying Cyanogen, the only thing holding me back is HTC Sense. I sync all my SMS with HTC Sense so that when I change between ROMs I won't lose my SMSes. Can you still use/sync to HTC Sense in Cyanogen? Thanks!

sHaHiN786 said:
Wahey!! I'm now on Cyanogen, so bloody awesome!! I'm loving it, the fact that you could tewa the equalizer means bye bye to Dolby, I prefer using my personal tweak, everything is amazing, so far battery's running right, I hope it stays this way, thanks for your recommendation, where did you get your theme? I'm currently on the Lucid theme.
Thanks
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Glad you like cyanogen
Theme,icons and wallpapers are here,use 200dpi version.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=859548
using launcher pro and launcher pro icons ,off market.
splash screen and how to apply them are here,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=855490&page=58
Before you install the theme use root explorer and copy system/media/bootanimation.zip to your sd card .
install the theme then copy back bootanimation.zip.
bookmark home off the market.
enjoy.

SW7 said:
Hi guys, I'm currently on a Sense based ROM but very interested in trying Cyanogen, the only thing holding me back is HTC Sense. I sync all my SMS with HTC Sense so that when I change between ROMs I won't lose my SMSes. Can you still use/sync to HTC Sense in Cyanogen? Thanks!
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sync with google instead ,then you will have np no sense on cyanogen.

If I had to go back to sense Id sell my phone..
I love my DHD now...

is cyanogen best rom for now?

DarkVasyaK said:
is cyanogen best rom for now?
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Personaly, I like the Sparta rom more (vanilla android + some sense interfaces). But cyanogen is good to. Hell, everything is better then sense!

rixsta said:
If I had to go back to sense Id sell my phone..
I love my DHD now...
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Wow! Is it really that much better?? So what exactly do gain or lose with Cyanogen comparing to Sense? I know Cyanogen is a lot cleaner/lighter and therefore faster than Sense; and you get DSP Manager but lose Dolby Mobile and SRS; you'll have ADW/Launcher Pro and of course lose the Sense UI...what else??

SW7 said:
Wow! Is it really that much better?? So what exactly do gain or lose with Cyanogen comparing to Sense? I know Cyanogen is a lot cleaner/lighter and therefore faster than Sense; and you get DSP Manager but lose Dolby Mobile and SRS; you'll have ADW/Launcher Pro and of course lose the Sense UI...what else??
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Most of the differences are in the kernel and not really the build. All 3rd party softwares can be installed on both Cyanogen and Sense....

Leechoonhwee said:
Most of the differences are in the kernel and not really the build. All 3rd party softwares can be installed on both Cyanogen and Sense....
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I see. In that case, how does a custom Sense ROM + a custom kernel compare to a Cyanogen ROM with the same custom kernel? I guess the later would be quicker due to it's lighter?

SW7 said:
I see. In that case, how does a custom Sense ROM + a custom kernel compare to a Cyanogen ROM with the same custom kernel? I guess the later would be quicker due to it's lighter?
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Yes, I'd like to understand the differences as well.
Apart form some enthusiastic but not very informative "CM blows Sense to sh1t!" statements, I haven't seen any clear explanation of what the benefits of CM are? If it is simply the removal of Sense then that is a subjective improvement. Coming from a Magic (on CM) I know that many people over there spent their efforts getting Sense to work on that handset. Personally, I like Sense, it is clean and has a number of useful or flashy widgets and with the hardware of the DHD it is smooth and fast. I've rooted my DHD to Leedroid (mainly because I can't stop tinkering) but I'm holding from CM much as i liked it on the Magic because I just can't see the advantages..
Maybe someone could explain them for the more nooby amongst us?
Can you have more/less screens?
Can you organise you apps? Hide them?
Landscape home?
A list would be nice.

Personally, I like HTC Sense because it's clean and has uniformity as a UI. But if I have time spend 80% of my phone/device just customizing the UI again and again rather than using it then I would go for Cyanogen.

derkie said:
Personally, I like HTC Sense because it's clean and has uniformity as a UI. But if I have time spend 80% of my phone/device just customizing the UI again and again rather than using it then I would go for Cyanogen.
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Yep. Just tried CM6 and whilst there is nothing wrong with it all, and it is possibly faster than stock, I just can't be ar$ed with tweaking all the settings to get the phone to have a bit of uniformity in its looks and operation.
Sense might be a bit bloated, but you don't need to use it and on the DHD it runs fine.
I think it is more of a aesthetic thing than anything else.

[Debate]What rom and why?

Alright.. so we all probably use virtuous rom, gingervillian,cyanogen or miui.
I wanna know why everyone chooses each one.. I've flashed all and am just curious to why everyone else chooses the roms they do.. what really makes you stay with the rom you have??
I run miui. To me cyanogen lacks full customization. And has no benefitial features over miui. I get same battery life and phone runs smoothly at 1ghz as it would on any other rom. ONLY issue is random reboots. Which is a theme issue not a rom issue.. And I don't care for sense roms.. to me they slow the phone down.. although I am waiting for cm7 to become stable before my first flash.
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Currently I am running MIUI. I'm still getting used to it but overall I like it. I love the UI. It looks clean and it's quick.

Stock post ota deodexed.... because every other rom gives me some sort of problem that there is no guide to fixing and I don't have the time to troubleshoot the bull****

Whats deodexed mean??
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The 1.2Ghz clock speed from the God speed thread.
Anything higher than that affects my battery and I don't see any obvious benefit as I don't play any games that need a higher CPU.

virtuous because of eye candy and htc streams are awesome!!

which rom saves battery most?

I use CM6.1.1
I previously tried Virtuous because I always wanted a Sense phone but realized Sense actually sucks, well the messaging, gallery and dialer at least.
I use my phone heavily for A2DP bluetooth streaming and apperantly cyanogenmod is pretty much the best rom for bluetooth audio quality, also the added equalizer feature is awesome. Its just like the stock rom whish I loved since my nexus days but with just the right amount of customization.
MIUI looks annoying as hell, why not just buy an iDevice if your into that UI?

shady503403 said:
Whats deodexed mean??
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When you install an app, sometimes it comes with an odex file (i believe it's an extension of some sort to the app) When you are de-odex'd, it merges the extension (dot odex file) with the apk. The only reason I wanted this rom was to use themes for stock roms. I also found that it boots the phone up a hell of a lot faster.
Highly recommended for people who want the stock feel but like small mods here and there.
curbsam said:
The 1.2Ghz clock speed from the God speed thread.
Anything higher than that affects my battery and I don't see any obvious benefit as I don't play any games that need a higher CPU.
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That's not a rom...
that's a kernel........... *facepalm*

I run Virtuous for a few reasons:
1. camera - the stock Android camera app is abysmal. Few options and not easy to use in the least.
2. music player - genre support is a big one for me
3. Sense - I use LauncherPro, but I prefer the sense contacts and other features.
4. I installed the 3D gallery from stock, so I have access to both. One other small benefit of the otherwise useless Sense gallery is a scrollable 'share' pop-up. On stock ROMs (or CM), if you have too many options in this menu, you can't scroll so you can't access them. Sense lets you scroll the 'share' list.

ungarisch said:
I use CM6.1.1
I previously tried Virtuous because I always wanted a Sense phone but realized Sense actually sucks, well the messaging, gallery and dialer at least.
I use my phone heavily for A2DP bluetooth streaming and apperantly cyanogenmod is pretty much the best rom for bluetooth audio quality, also the added equalizer feature is awesome. Its just like the stock rom whish I loved since my nexus days but with just the right amount of customization.
MIUI looks annoying as hell, why not just buy an iDevice if your into that UI?
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Not everything about miui is iphonish... and even the parts that are you have options.. the menus? I turn those to the standard grid. the icons? Not all are uniformed "squares" all thou the theme is use they are. But I actually am I fan of uniformed icons. I think it looks cleaner.. imho. What about miui looks annoying?? I admit the original launcher is lame. But I don't use it.. I think docks and notification bars are lame. I don't use either and rock adw.. swipe down for notifications and up for apps. plus you can't tell me miui lock screen isn't sexy..
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what ROM am i looking for?

so ive been thinking about rooting my phone. im gettign tired of seeing the "low disk space" icons and sometimes the lag is just annoying...
i just dont know what rom im looking for.
ive been looking at cyanogen and thinking about going with that but ive been reading theres problems with the wifi and other minor stuff. so i was hoping you guys could help me out.
im looking for a ROM thats fast, stable, and still syncs up with google cal and contacts and gmail and gtasks and etc. but i also want it to be reliable in terms of other things such as the alarm clock, bluetooth, wifi, gps and whatnot. i also want it to be compatible with google voice... also, i would like longer battery life while keeping adequate performance up. so many underclock while my screen is off and overclock while its on? (if there is such an option)
also, another question i had was if i flashed a vanilla ROM on, would i lose all my sense widgets? and if i do, is it hard to find good looking widgets without paying any money?
thanks.

You can backup your previous roms so if you don't like one you flashed you can go back. And Widgets are usually hard to find. I'd suggest cm6.1 or virtuous for a rom and either an invisiblek or Chad kernel that will give you great performance and good battery life. I hope that helps
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zithro said:
so ive been thinking about rooting my phone. im gettign tired of seeing the "low disk space" icons and sometimes the lag is just annoying...
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also, another question i had was if i flashed a vanilla ROM on, would i lose all my sense widgets? and if i do, is it hard to find good looking widgets without paying any money?
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Yes, and no. You will lose all sense widgets, but you can find good free versions. I would start with Fancy Widget for clock.
My Rom Recommendation:
I am running CM 6.1 with B-SCM Splash of Red theme
and Ziggy471's latest kernel. But, a word of warning:
NEVER overclock past 1.19GHz on the Ziggy kernels. Most support going up to 1228000, but I've NEVER seen this work. No harm will be done usually (a brief stall followed by a reboot), but if you set this and then check Set On Boot, THEN you're in trouble.

Also always nandroid before flashing. Backups are your best friend.
alanthemanofchicago said:
Yes, and no. You will lose all sense widgets, but you can find good free versions. I would start with Fancy Widget for clock.
My Rom Recommendation:
I am running CM 6.1 with B-SCM Splash of Red theme
and Ziggy471's latest kernel. But, a word of warning:
NEVER overclock past 1.19GHz on the Ziggy kernels. Most support going up to 1228000, but I've NEVER seen this work. No harm will be done usually (a brief stall followed by a reboot), but if you set this and then check Set On Boot, THEN you're in trouble.
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Gahh Its Lee said:
Also always nandroid before flashing. Backups are your best friend.
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O yeah. Also, a pointer about installing kernels and themes
0 Nandroid
1 Wipe Data / Factory Reset
2 Install ROM
3 Reboot, complete setup
4 Reboot to recovery, install kernel
5 Reboot, verify touch, WiFi
6 Reboot to Recovery, install theme (and Droid2 Keyboard, Bootanimations, etc.)
7 DONE! Exhale deeply.

does radio=kernel?

zithro said:
does radio=kernel?
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no, the radio is something you can change to improve your signal and battery life. you need to have S-OFF (ie unrevoked forever) to do this through HBOOT. I wouldn't recommended it if you're not advanced because this is one of the few ways you could brick your phone. If you do decide to change it, make sure you do your research and don't rush it.
Although I'm using a source CM rom, source never really works 100% for our phones. Sense roms are the most compatible and best way to go for compatibility reasons. Try out "Uber Z" or the virtuous ROMs.

Here are some TIPS!
zithro said:
so ive been thinking about rooting my phone. im gettign tired of seeing the "low disk space" icons and sometimes the lag is just annoying...
i just dont know what rom im looking for.
ive been looking at cyanogen and thinking about going with that but ive been reading theres problems with the wifi and other minor stuff. so i was hoping you guys could help me out.
im looking for a ROM thats fast, stable, and still syncs up with google cal and contacts and gmail and gtasks and etc. but i also want it to be reliable in terms of other things such as the alarm clock, bluetooth, wifi, gps and whatnot. i also want it to be compatible with google voice... also, i would like longer battery life while keeping adequate performance up. so many underclock while my screen is off and overclock while its on? (if there is such an option)
also, another question i had was if i flashed a vanilla ROM on, would i lose all my sense widgets? and if i do, is it hard to find good looking widgets without paying any money?
thanks.
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The best ASOP roms that i have tried are Cyanogenmod 6.1 and Skyraider Athena 1.2. These roms are both available in the ROM manager app. Both of the roms are very fast with almost no bugs, Although they will not give you the best battery life. With that being said you can still change the kernel as long it is an ASOP kernel.
As far as sense roms i like Virtuous rom and almost any Desire Z rom. The rom i am using ATM is Uber Z. This is a very nice and stable rom.
If you want something that looks totaly different than android i would go with MIUI. This is a great rom with great battery life. keep in mind it is sort of based off of apple's IOS.

Fresh or sprint lovers?

I don't know which to use I only care about battery life lol all roms feel the same to me, I would use sprint lovers but I don't want it to have the notification power control, anyone know how to use it?
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Wow...Is there a question in there?

All the ROM's feel the same to you? Try Warm or Cyanogen. Best ROM's ever.

not quite sure what you are asking here... i'll be vague as well... use which ever ROM you try out that you like the best

try vaelpak rom, www.vaelek.com , you won't find better dev. support
even has a special settings app for it in the market for free called vaelpak settings check out the screen shots in market

Best battery life and the best rom is MIUI, hands down
If you want sense then mikfroyo is the way to go
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I don't know which to use I only care about battery life lol all roms feel the same to me, I would use sprint lovers but I don't want it to have the notification power control, anyone know how to use it?
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If you are only looking at those 2 roms i would say fresh. You say you dont want notification bar power controls.... almost every custom rom now has this.
Calk's Evio rom does have a mod that you can flash to remove it. It probably will work for any sense rom but i would nand droid first since this is untested. Additionally if the rom you use is themed it will likely remove the theme. Personally i am a fan of Evio and The New Koni's Elite Rom is out standing. Almost all sense roms are going to feel the same the fact is they are built off the same base. The only real difference is tweaks made for performance and the theme they put on. The tweaks wont visibly see they are behind the scenes the theme you will.
your last option is to read the post on how to modify the framework to get the notification bar work in reverse and remove it yourself.

Goat78 said:
Best battery life and the best rom is MIUI, hands down
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I would totally disagree with that statement.
I for one love having an app drawer instead home screens with blank spots, and 100% working bluetooth, and receiving MMS, and using HDMI...but then again that is just me.
MIUI is a new and exciting concept, and every release they put out i flash it on my phone until i realize that it's still broken to the point that i don't want to use it anymore (usually 1 day), and then i flash back to FRESH or some other sense rom with a SBC kernel.
Oh and working USB tether is a MUST for me! Which MIUI does NOT do...at least not with WinXP machines.

I agree MIUI is a very different rom but i would not go so far as saying it is the best rom. In fact i dont think anyone can say what the best rom is because it is all personal preference.
Personally i didnt like MIUI

i totally agree. i need to start cooking roms. cuz every rom i try, even stock i have something visual or performance wise wrong. but i did enjoy fresh over sprint lovers fyi

K thanks guys sprint lovers wouldn't boot up
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Whoa, all roms feel the same to you? I'm almost blown away by this comment. How long have you been using the Evo and messing with roms?
I agree with someone else here, MIUI is my favorite. Ava has my favorite sense rom.

God, so many great ROMs! I have a small selection that I put on my phone and those that I root for others.
My preferred custom Sense ROMs (not necessarily better or worse than any others) are EViO and Azrael, each slightly different but both great. Using EViO tonight.
Preferred Stock-ish ROM would be StockTurbo. Perfect for people like my wife!
Sense/AOSP tween ROM is Vaelpak..am excellent, very eccentric ROM.
Current fav AOSP, and what's backup up in my nandroid folder, is KingsROM Ultra Blue HAZE GBv10. I know, its a GB ROM, but I haven't had any issues with it, I haven't found anything that didn't work, and damn I love the GB cursor finger in text input fields!
This probably doesn't help anyone, but thank you for your time anyway.

[Q] Whats the best custom ROM ay the moment?

Hi.
Quite new to all this, managed to root and install a new custom ROM on my phone yesterday (took me 8hrs all together)
after alot of reading and help from other members i decided to go for the ARHD ROM.
Is this a good choice? i know alot about computer programing, but Phones are new to me, im enjoying learning about my DHD
is this a good ROM, or are there better I realise that its down to personal preferance, but is this an up to date ROM.
Cheers,
Jamie

There is no best rom.Best rom for one user is maybe the worst for some other.Try couple of custom roms and decide which suits you best.

Darius_III said:
There is no best rom.Best rom for one user is maybe the worst for some other.Try couple of custom roms and decide which suits you best.
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This is so true.. Just try other roms, and find which one suits your liking..

Also is there anyway to back up my home screen, and other screens settings with the widgets etc and all my app settings so i can just recover them back onto any new rom i install. it takes me hours to do this ater a factory reset or installing a new rom?
Cheers.

Jamie.Desire.HD said:
Also is there anyway to back up my home screen, and other screens settings with the widgets etc and all my app settings so i can just recover them back onto any new rom i install. it takes me hours to do this ater a factory reset or installing a new rom?
Cheers.
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Use titanium back up for apps and settings. Never back up system data. Widgets can't be backed up unless the launcher has a backup setting.

Jamie.Desire.HD said:
Also is there anyway to back up my home screen, and other screens settings with the widgets etc and all my app settings so i can just recover them back onto any new rom i install. it takes me hours to do this ater a factory reset or installing a new rom?
Cheers.
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I do not think it is better idea to back up your home/screen settings to use it across different ROMs. There is high chance that you will experience weird issues (every ROMs devs request to make a clean install if coming from other ROMs, importing backups would not make it clean anymore ).
As for the ROM, i think ARHD is a clever choice (i have settled to it after trying out all of the ROMs but RCMIX) if you want sense (or no-sense).

What if I asked you about the fastest ROM? I'm currently using LeeDroid bu I noticed that an OLDER Nexus One is much faster regarding the system. My only advantage is SuperFast IO and a bit faster 3D. CPU, even though it's set to 1,8 GHz Smoothass, is only half as efficient as the older 800MHz CPU in Nexus One.I read somewhere that it's a matter of picking a proper ROM, so which one would you suggest to me if I asked only for speed and responsiveness, and maybe battery life. Any Sense ROM is obviously out, but the problem is that I never used any other custom ROM. I would also like to retain my 2 way recording ability.

I used many roms, for me,
the best sense 2.1 rom is ARHD
best sense 3 rom is Virtuous Unity
ARHD is flawless and fast
VU has sense 3 but it has minor issues like Dolby is missing in music app. and its kernel doesnt have 2way recording support...
But i am stiil using VU with Lee s kernel

thanks, although Sense is not crucial, what I want is that my phone works as fast as possible and e'thing works as it should. I'm thinking about CM7 latest 7.1.0 RC1. People say camera is crappy but it can be changed.

I'd say give MIUI a try. It's really fast (faster then cm7 imo) and beautyful if you find the right theme in their theme manager
Furthermore it has way more features than cm7 but it isn't bloated like sense
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Flussen said:
I'd say give MIUI a try. It's really fast (faster then cm7 imo) and beautyful if you find the right theme in their theme manager
Furthermore it has way more features than cm7 but it isn't bloated like sense
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Only drawback is it makes your phone look and behave like an iPhone, I'd recommend Hydr0G3nMOD it's cm7 based but with some trimming and tweaking and fly's and it's a massive ~72mb! download so that should tell you something about the bloat.