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Thinking about about buying the TP2, gimme a hand? :D

Im considering the TP2, but im not sure, is it a good pick? and if not what else out there would you suggest before it?

MADMAN-_-zZ said:
Im considering the TP2, but im not sure, is it a good pick? and if not what else out there would you suggest before it?
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given you a hand

MADMAN-_-zZ said:
Im considering the TP2, but im not sure, is it a good pick? and if not what else out there would you suggest before it?
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it is great if you like real keyboard and big screen.

This is my 3rd Windows Mobile phone, and I also had the iPhone 3GS. This is BY FAR the best phone I have ever owend, used, or seen. I'm a picky SOB and do my research before buying anything. This is definitely the best phone, and I will continue to be an HTC customer. They got it 100% right on this one!!

best phone
I bought 2 just to play with.
I have dropped my main one on concrete probably 7 times(not on purpose), got minor dings, but no major functionality issues. flashed rom from SD card and computer probably a hundred times, Hard SPLed it while wasted drunk and still this thing is kickin.
Top notch phone would recommend!

From my point of veiw it is an awsome phone, Try to get it cheap though, as cheaply as possible, because as you probably know htc has the leo out and its only a matter of time for a leo like phone with that 1ghz processor with a keyboard attached. There are plenty of people around asking for it so its bound to happen. So Save some money where you can and buy the tp2 through a carrier and get it through someone who is gsm not cdma so when a new phone comes out you can just pop out the sim and you have a new phone

MADMAN-_-zZ said:
Im considering the TP2, but im not sure, is it a good pick? and if not what else out there would you suggest before it?
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Great phone, by far my Favorite! It is especially good with a cooked rROM with the My Location Weather in the clock. If you get it through an online retailer (not AT&T directly) with service or as an upgrade you can save some cash.
Try:
amazon
Walmart
NewEgg
can't remember some of the others.

MineralGray02K said:
This is my 3rd Windows Mobile phone, and I also had the iPhone 3GS. This is BY FAR the best phone I have ever owend, used, or seen. I'm a picky SOB and do my research before buying anything. This is definitely the best phone, and I will continue to be an HTC customer. They got it 100% right on this one!!
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Agree 100%

Thanks for all the replies guys, that has sealed it, I will be getting one asap, what would you recommend me doing to it off the bat?

MADMAN-_-zZ said:
Thanks for all the replies guys, that has sealed it, I will be getting one asap, what would you recommend me doing to it off the bat?
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Nothing just use it. Then after your sure you like it Hard SPL it and try a cooked ROM. The stickies in the ROM Development forum will help you once you ready to flash some new ROMs.

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Nothing just use it. Then after your sure you like it Hard SPL it and try a cooked ROM. The stickies in the ROM Development forum will help you once you ready to flash some new ROMs.
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What exactly will the roms do for me, and is there any in particular that you would recommend?

Guess I'll be the devil's advocate. My experience with the TP2 is that it's still too slow, whether it's the OS or processor I don't know, but it needs a big boost in speed. I'm definitely grabbing a Snapdragon device when it's available because the TP2 is just a slug.

MADMAN-_-zZ said:
What exactly will the roms do for me, and is there any in particular that you would recommend?
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The stock ROM that came with my AT&T Tilt 2 was actually not too bad at all. I was much quicker and responsive than I was used to on my Tilt 1, even wit it running a custom ROM.
What a ROM for the XDA "cooks" will remove a lot of bloatware from the carriers (trial app that they want you to pay for). This will free up space and resources and can help make you phone more responsive. It can also add feature from the more recent HTC TouchFlo 3D, such as the weather clock. It give you your weather in the clock and with My location service will give your the weather for where you happen to be at the moment. Other nice app included in most cooked ROMs is the Mobile WiFi app. basically allow you to turn you phone into a wireless access point.
I'm using this ROM currently:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=568233

I'd honestly say the Touch Pro2 is the best mobile device I've ever had (you can see my past devices in my signature). The screen and keyboard are the best part about the TP2, but the whole thing is near perfect. Whether you're new or old to the Windows Mobile scene, I'd say this is an excellent device which you should most certainly consider.

Hey thanks guys for answering my questions, and thanks lowteckh for giving me another opinion on the matter but, Im getting a new phone in the next two weeks and I'm sure the snapdragon will not come out by then so it will have to be the TP2.

If you particularly want a phone with a hard QWERTY keyboard that runs Windows Mobile then you should check out the Samsung B7610 (a.k.a. Omnia Pro). If you don't want a physical keyboard then you probably don't want a TP2.
There are already Snapdragon-powered devices on the market: the Toshiba TG01, and Acer F1 (a.k.a. NeoTouch) both run Windows Mobile. HTC's own HD2 will be available from T-Mobile UK on Monday. (Of course none of them have physical keyboards).
If you're in America, and you think you don't want Windows Mobile, then the Motorola Droid is worth checking out. The Palm Pre and iPhone 3GS are also worth a look.

Thanks for all the feedback guys, and I like that keyboard on the samsung, it looks solid, but im not a samsung fan . I purchased a Sprint TP2 yesterday and should be getting it soon, Im very excited

MADMAN-_-zZ said:
Thanks for all the feedback guys, and I like that keyboard on the samsung, it looks solid, but im not a samsung fan . I purchased a Sprint TP2 yesterday and should be getting it soon, Im very excited
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I have both the Moment and TP2 I have to say I love the tilt feature of the TP2 the moment has some battery issues and wifi is quirky, broswer are not good, but the App store is awesome. Tp2 best features are automatic profiling and Wifi Router, serving 3g speeds to my friend's Iphone. You made a great choice.

Which is gonna be best to get?

hi with all the leaks of the new mobiles that are to be released which one is going to be the best 1 to get thats gonna keeps me going for at least 2 years.

With WP7, the specs are all standardized. The options are pretty much personal decisions..
How much storage do you want?
Do you value a physical keyboard?
Which do you think looks the best?
How big of a screen do you want?
What models will work on your carrier (this will probably limit you the most)?
Noone can answer those questions for you. The things that would affect longevity (CPU, RAM) are all standard on WP7 so really won't differ much if at all.

richard1978 said:
hi with all the leaks of the new mobiles that are to be released which one is going to be the best 1 to get thats gonna keeps me going for at least 2 years.
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go with hTC Hd3~ haha

question is when is the hd3 gonna be released? One things for sure i dont want a small screen nothing less than 3.8 but would prefer 4 and above

I looking for more of a Touch Pro3 type device. Although I would love to see a 4"+ screen with a slide out keyboard.

I'll probably end up with a Samsung whenever I decide to switch. I don't know what it is, but I always ended up with a Samsung in my pocket for the last 4-5 years now.
I went from the Samsung i630 -> i760 -> Omnia II (i920)
Probably has to do more with Verizon being my provider than any affinity I have for Samsung.

what I'm wondering, .I'm from the netherlands, and also wantto buy it in october, but the dutch version won't be there then yet. So, can I also buy the english version here, or do I need to export it?
cheers
vic

richard1978 said:
question is when is the hd3 gonna be released? One things for sure i dont want a small screen nothing less than 3.8 but would prefer 4 and above
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According to pdadb.net the HTC Mondrian/Schubert /Mozart's predecessor model is the HD2, so basically, this will be the HD3.
pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=2388&c=htc_mondrian__schubert__mozart
But to answer your question, RustyGrom couldn't have said it any better, but the best thing to do right now is not to get into any contracts until at least November, I just canceled Sprint and now have and HD2 with T-Mob, contract less...

I must say all those leaked devices recently look very bad.
Besides Dell Lightning.

doministry said:
I must say all those leaked devices recently look very bad.
Besides Dell Lightning.
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I liked the square Asus was it...there was something else square that looked nice...was it another Samsung maybe? But it's weird...that samsung taylor prototype look has grown on me, lol. But I can't wait to see reviews instead of leaks.

PDADB?
Is there another site that organizes the upcoming models better?

Well, as always Sprint is last to get a phone. The only positive is lately Sprint has the best looking and performing phones out (Evo and Epic). I hope this trend continues and Sprint drops a real monster this winter.

There is a decent round up here...
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/35093/windows-phone-7-launch-phones

now we know the models that are being released which is gonna be best, now im more prone to the hd7 or the omnia 7 manly being screen size not sure which yet. So which would you pick and why?

I'm partial to the Samsungs with the S-AMOLED screens. WP7, even more than other OSes, looks great on a AMOLED screen.

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I'm partial to the Samsungs with the S-AMOLED screens. WP7, even more than other OSes, looks great on a AMOLED screen.
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ditto - plus SD card support as well if that pans out.

From people who have had hands-on sessions and the lucky few who have received their review units already, I've been hearing Mozart and Omnia are the nicest. The general consensus seems to be that the HD7 doesn't feel quite right, too big, too shiny and WP7 somehow feels better on the smaller screens.
The Trophy seems to be winning a lot of praise too, though I think that's on the presumption that it will be quite a bit cheaper than the Mozart.

Yeah the Mozart is a very nice looking device. My only concern is no SAMOLED. I agree with the above post about WP7 looking best with an AMOLED screen. However, I'm not too sure I want a phone with Samsung's build quality. Decisions.. decisions..

The LG phones actually look good in the reviews Ive seen which is a bit of a shocker as Ive never like LG for phones that much in the past...

Well... I prefer the HD7... it just looks like THE WP7 device... it just stands out, that gorgeous 4.3 inch screen? that beautiful camera(2 LED!), the stand! the other devices are small and weak... the Dell one just looks ugly(I thought it looked like the BlackBerry Style)
Still, speed is no issue with any of them...

I would like to get a WP7 Device...

I currently have a MT4G with tmobile (and I like the phone...)...but I have wanted a WP7 phone since they came out, but I cannot justify spending 300$ on one .... so I was thinking 'should I get an HD2 and put WP7 on it?' but then I felt that it would be buggy and such and I would like a smooth wp7 experience...
so my question is, what options are there for me (I cannot use an upgrade, I am stuck with tmobile so I need one compatible with them [I guess, right?])...?
Thanks for your advice and help...

erebusting said:
I currently have a MT4G with tmobile (and I like the phone...)...but I have wanted a WP7 phone since they came out, but I cannot justify spending 300$ on one .... so I was thinking 'should I get an HD2 and put WP7 on it?' but then I felt that it would be buggy and such and I would like a smooth wp7 experience...
so my question is, what options are there for me (I cannot use an upgrade, I am stuck with tmobile so I need one compatible with them [I guess, right?])...?
Thanks for your advice and help...
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You are better off staying with a real WP7 device. The HD2, as good a device as it is, can't provide the whole WP7 experience permanently. You'll have to perjure yourself to get a key from MS to use the main features of WP7. And then, after each update...if the updates actually start coming...you'll have to do it all over again and likely MS will nullify the ability to use their keys.
If you start buying apps with a fake WP7, you might lose them later on. Buy an HD7 from T-Mobile or go to AT&T and snag a Focus. You won't regret it once the updates start happening...if ever. WP7 is a super smooth, super clean experience.

erebusting said:
I currently have a MT4G with tmobile (and I like the phone...)...but I have wanted a WP7 phone since they came out, but I cannot justify spending 300$ on one .... so I was thinking 'should I get an HD2 and put WP7 on it?' but then I felt that it would be buggy and such and I would like a smooth wp7 experience...
so my question is, what options are there for me (I cannot use an upgrade, I am stuck with tmobile so I need one compatible with them [I guess, right?])...?
Thanks for your advice and help...
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You can try other stores besides the retail store to see if their flexiable with the upgrade period. Wirefly, Amazon, Best Buy, Walmart, Radio Shack, Etc.

You could ask for the factory unlock from T-Mobile. Unlock the MT4G, sell it on Craiglist and use the money to buy the HD7.
You can also go on a payment plan with them and give them $15 bucks a month until you have the money to pay for a new phone.
I'm doing that right now with my HD7, but only because I have the sneaking suspicion some new phones are going to come out to blow the current crop out of the water.

lekki said:
You could ask for the factory unlock from T-Mobile. Unlock the MT4G, sell it on Craiglist and use the money to buy the HD7.
You can also go on a payment plan with them and give them $15 bucks a month until you have the money to pay for a new phone.
I'm doing that right now with my HD7, but only because I have the sneaking suspicion some new phones are going to come out to blow the current crop out of the water.
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Which is exactly why I'm saving money for one of them. These current gen phones will be "Kin'd" before too long and the good hardware will move it.

erebusting said:
I currently have a MT4G with tmobile (and I like the phone...)...but I have wanted a WP7 phone since they came out, but I cannot justify spending 300$ on one .... so I was thinking 'should I get an HD2 and put WP7 on it?' but then I felt that it would be buggy and such and I would like a smooth wp7 experience...
so my question is, what options are there for me (I cannot use an upgrade, I am stuck with tmobile so I need one compatible with them [I guess, right?])...?
Thanks for your advice and help...
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Sell your MT4g on ebay and buy the HD7 there also. Even a used MT4g is only a little cheaper than a new HD7. A lot of people are willing to trade on craigslist also.

I really don't know why you guys complain that much. In Brazil I just bought a WP7 (unsupported here yet). And I paid R$ 1.400,00. That is something about U$ 850,00.
My iPhone 4 I've paid R$ 1.800,00. Or U$ 1.125,00.
And yes, If i were you, I would buy a WP7 in a blink.

mikeeam said:
I really don't know why you guys complain that much. In Brazil I just bought a WP7 (unsupported here yet). And I paid R$ 1.400,00. That is something about U$ 850,00.
My iPhone 4 I've paid R$ 1.800,00. Or U$ 1.125,00.
And yes, If i were you, I would buy a WP7 in a blink.
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Well you have to understand, there ARE differences in economy so over here we have different options on pricing....doesn't mean that just because it costs wayy more in other locations that we should be buying them like crazy over here.... we have to think about things like that (at least I do, especially since I am not rich [yet ])...
So I am thinking of possibly getting a samsung focus (but the 3g would not work with tmobile...right?)...or the HD7... but like 'likki' said, phones are continuously upgrading so saving 15-20$ extra a month sounds pretty practical because by the time it is saved up I may not even want to get another phone (haha) or there will be better options out there....

Have you ever tried out a HD7? I think it is too big. The Trophy 7 have a perfect size screen. Not too big, nor too small.
Maybe you should try. I wouldn't buy a Samsung because of the update issues (yeah, they may have fixed, still, it was the only one with problem. I wouldn't risk).
Don't worry about the next season of WP7 handsets. Probably they don't need anything beyond our 1 GHz processor. Not for now. And I think this should last for 2 years of software updates until they need to update the hardware too.
I don't know about US 3G network. But, at least here, my Trophy works with every carrier.
And I liked the "yet" hahahah. That's the spirit! Hell yeah!

any advice? should I get an htc surround and be happy with Edge on tmobile or something? (since it may be cheaper than an HD7 ? idk)

Try ebay...
I got my HTC Surround for 180.00
It looks brand new although it had no box and not original charger. Thing works like a champ. My contract actually is up for renewal in May but i decided not to wait as i could resell it if i did not like it. I'm definately not reselling it. It's awesome!

LG Quantums all over Ebay for 180-200 dollars and they're in my opinion the third best US released device
Dell Venue Pro>Focus>Quantum
I want to like HTC's devices but their battery life is just terrible and the Surround feels like a gag phone.

Surround is pretty terrible all around. If you like big screens and you're on T-Mobile, then you have one really good choice and one decent choice.
TBQH, WP7 is so Cloud dependent that I would not want to be stuck on Edge all the time.
I can't even fathom what that experience would be like.
Edge is for Blackberries, Eseries, and Feature phones...

Ok so I have the opportunity to get the dvp or hd7 for the same price...which one should I get ? The dvp doesnt seem to have as much action in the forum ...it has less ram and no htc apps , plus its a lil bulkier....the screen size doesnt bug me becauase they are similar...
Any ideas please
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The DVP's screen is much better. The Speakers are better. The Camera is worse. It has a Physical keybaord (quite a nice one). It sitll has 512 RAM which is more than good enough. It comes in a 16 GB variant and if you're feeling Giddy you can upgrade the storage becasue it has an accessible SD Card Slot.
It tends to have better performance than the HTC phones, as well. The build quality is noticeably better.
There is no such thing as a BB Bold 9800, BTW (that's the Torch). Which Blackberry are you actually selling, asd is it a T-Mobile Branded BB?
Personally, if I was faced with that choice, I'd get the Dell.

Focus... Ignore update hocus pocus ... Its the and least expensive phone
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Download Launcher 7 for your mt4g.
Makes your android look like a w7 phone lol.
Yes I know it wont transform your phone into a full fledge w7 phone but its a good alternative and its free.
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DVP over HD7 any day... When you hold both of them you can just tell which one is better at a glance or with use... better performance, better screen, they actually have the same amount of ram, it's just generally one hell of a step up from the HD7 to the DVP.

N8ter said:
The DVP's screen is much better. The Speakers are better. The Camera is worse. It has a Physical keybaord (quite a nice one). It sitll has 512 RAM which is more than good enough. It comes in a 16 GB variant and if you're feeling Giddy you can upgrade the storage becasue it has an accessible SD Card Slot.
It tends to have better performance than the HTC phones, as well. The build quality is noticeably better.
There is no such thing as a BB Bold 9800, BTW (that's the Torch). Which Blackberry are you actually selling, asd is it a T-Mobile Branded BB?
Personally, if I was faced with that choice, I'd get the Dell.
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thanks for noticing that about my sig...lol...I will change it when I get around to it though...haha
The Robot Cow said:
Download Launcher 7 for your mt4g.
Makes your android look like a w7 phone lol.
Yes I know it wont transform your phone into a full fledge w7 phone but its a good alternative and its free.
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thanks, I tried it and it is nice -although I am more interested in the games on WP7... =) ...too bad they cant be emulated (yet... ?)
z33dev33l said:
DVP over HD7 any day... When you hold both of them you can just tell which one is better at a glance or with use... better performance, better screen, they actually have the same amount of ram, it's just generally one hell of a step up from the HD7 to the DVP.
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Thanks, I did not notice that they had the same amount of ram...some review(s) I read/watched said that it had 256? idk...
thanks for all of the advice it is really helpful...
(damn, why do all the TMobile WP7 devices have to be the ones at $300 and up...??? it is not that worth it to spend even 200 on a phone to just use edge..-i think)
its a tough decision, considering the prices and then considering the functionality / quality as well.... (although it sucks that the current wp7 devices are not very much up to par with these newer phones....namely the 'no FFC' thing bugs me)

I currently have the HTC Surround, and I have had no complaints with it. I do not understand why everyone is hating it. It has amazing speakers, feels very sturdy, 16 glorious gb's of memory, and has the same exact os as all the others. And some may say that the LCD screen is not as brilliant as the focus's AMOLED screen. But I personally like the screen.
In the end, it is up to your personal preferences.

[Q] after TP2

Time has come to get thinking about the new phone. i loved/still am tp2. What do look, Where to look. Please reccomned.

Nothing really good in sight.
Here is a comparison between the Desire Z and Touch Pro 2 in case you really want to upgrade.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=955526

The Desire Z seems really fragile especially the hinge - makes you wonder if one day it will break on you. I also consider to make a switch now that the TP2 is really old but a good replacement model has yet to come. Best is to go to a shop and try the Desire Z to see if it suits you.
Personally, I won't go to a Desire Z - maybe if you like a larger screen/Android, you can consider the Desire HD/Desire or even Hd2.

Final5k said:
The Desire Z seems really fragile especially the hinge - makes you wonder if one day it will break on you. I also consider to make a switch now that the TP2 is really old but a good replacement model has yet to come. Best is to go to a shop and try the Desire Z to see if it suits you.
Personally, I won't go to a Desire Z - maybe if you like a larger screen/Android, you can consider the Desire HD/Desire or even Hd2.
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Those devices don't have a qwerty keyboard. They have a complete different form factor.

im with sprint in america nad have a sweet deal in order to get a new phone i would have to switch plans. i love the tp2 just want a better camera and front facing camera and a browser with flash now that skyfire is gone

Htc arrive windows 7 or Transform
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swaters3 said:
im with sprint in america nad have a sweet deal in order to get a new phone i would have to switch plans. i love the tp2 just want a better camera and front facing camera and a browser with flash now that skyfire is gone
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For an another browser, try uZardWebp

i have it, but it doesnt work like skyfire. so its not really a solution for flash.

Thinking Nokia E7
I'm facing this dilemma as well...I've had my TP2 since day one and was greatly anticipating the 7Pro (HTC Arrive on Sprint). I was disappointed to see the 7Pro didn't have a front facing camera nor did most of the application work in landscape mode, this to me was the most alarming thing.
This has become very frustrating as I don't want to become a Blackberry guy, nor do I really want the Desire Z. What I want is a newer version Pro2 with the same keyboard and a smoother OS.
I was thinking the E7 might be a viable option even though its has a 4-row keyboard. The front facing camera will work with Tmobile's 3G...but the OS is Symbian3 which is severely behind Apple, Android, and Blackberry but it's the only real viable option in my opinion...
Although, cruising around Pocketnow.com I did see HTC trademarked the name Pro so the HTC Pro may be the long awaited Touch Pro 3...hopefully

forster said:
Time has come to get thinking about the new phone. i loved/still am tp2. What do look, Where to look. Please reccomned.
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I think the HTC Arrive is a worthy upgrade to the Touch Pro 2.

I just got my TP2 and am loving it.. when I do eventually look to upgrade this thing, my biggest feature need is TV-out, I use this and GPS more than anything. I have to keep with Windows or Android because of run.GPS which I use a large amount as well to track my runs and bikes.
Anyone know if any WP7 supports TV out at this time?

MDavisiw said:
I just got my TP2 and am loving it.. when I do eventually look to upgrade this thing, my biggest feature need is TV-out, I use this and GPS more than anything. I have to keep with Windows or Android because of run.GPS which I use a large amount as well to track my runs and bikes.
Anyone know if any WP7 supports TV out at this time?
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TP2 supports TV-Out - just need to buy the correct cable.

GSM or CDMA?

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TP2 supports TV-Out - just need to buy the correct cable.
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Thank you,
I have the correct cable, what I was trying to state is that and GPS are the most used functions on the phone (I use these features more than I use it as a phone!)
I was inquiring if there is any current WP7 phones that offer TV-Out, otherwise I dont see myself upgrading anytime in the future.

[Q] Happy with your WP7 Device??

hey there, i´m looking for a new smartphone and since i don´t want spend like 450 euro for a phone (that i don´t like for a 100% - i´m very picky....). i tried the galaxy s2 (kinda HATE the big home button, very cheap battery cover) and the sensation (lousy internal memory, very low "loud"speaker, wifi issues, and so on), again unfortunately i´m VERY picky.......
anyway, i stumbled over the win 7 phones which are at a very low price at the moment and the Optimus 7 is the one with the lowest price.
so i´m asking you if this device is good enough to spend some time with until new flagships (new android or maybe the galaxy s2 wp7) come out or does it have BIG known issues???
and could you tell me your results with the camera since i read somewhere that it isn´t THAT good....
thx!
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the LG optimus 7 is available for like 160 euro and the next step ahead would be the omnia 7 for 213 euro.
specially when i see THIS video, i´m not too sure anymore, which one to pick

no matter which one u pick u will love wp7 especially with the mango beta out. the Omnia has an AMOLED screen and people swear that it's the **** so if that matters to u than I would go for that otherwise go for the optimus 7

I came from Android to WP7 and love it. If you pick one up now, the specs might not look incredible, but everything just WORKS. I've been running the Mango beta, and I can't go back to NoDo now.

I love my HD7 & WP7. There are some design changes I'd like to see, but nothing deal breaking. What'd I suggest though, is to go to your local retailer & play with it in person & make your own choice/decision. everyone has their own tastes, so it's best to play with one yourself & make up your own mind rather then follow the opinion of others. For me, the biggest thing is that WP7 is very fast & smooth. The integration is also awesome. mango will only make things better. This being said, if you are big into hacking/customizing your device, WP7 is lacking in that area. Especially after Mango because of the INTEROPSERVICES block that has broken almost all homebrew apps (registry editor/etc.)

monkeytown said:
hey there, i´m looking for a new smartphone and since i don´t want spend like 450 euro for a phone (that i don´t like for a 100% - i´m very picky....). i tried the galaxy s2 (kinda HATE the big home button, very cheap battery cover) and the sensation (lousy internal memory, very low "loud"speaker, wifi issues, and so on), again unfortunately i´m VERY picky.......
anyway, i stumbled over the win 7 phones which are at a very low price at the moment and the Optimus 7 is the one with the lowest price.
so i´m asking you if this device is good enough to spend some time with until new flagships (new android or maybe the galaxy s2 wp7) come out or does it have BIG known issues???
and could you tell me your results with the camera since i read somewhere that it isn´t THAT good....
thx!
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the LG optimus 7 is available for like 160 euro and the next step ahead would be the omnia 7 for 213 euro.
specially when i see THIS video, i´m not too sure anymore, which one to pick
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I would not recommend WP7 alltogether because of limitations it gives.
But if you're into it, and yes WP7 can be very saisfying in many areas,
I can say - having still my LG Optimus 7 - that it's a very very good phone itself.
I would never trust LG but this phone is really robust and well designed and was a complete surprise to me.
It has hardware keys which I find very comfortable, not allowing any accidental press,
back cover is top noch metal and the whole phone looks 100 times better than on any photo, quite classy but not too much. All the hardware keys are great too. The screen is sweet, audio quality very good.
But the Camera:
In daylight it's great. You can make great photos and videos.
The whole problem is in the night & dark... Well the colours are OK but basically in those conditions pics are complete ****. Just blurry and not sharp, as well as videos. TBH not many modern phone cameras work in these conditions anyway.

doministry said:
I would not recommend WP7 alltogether because of limitations it gives.
But if you're into it, and yes WP7 can be very saisfying in many areas,
I can say - having still my LG Optimus 7 - that it's a very very good phone itself.
I would never trust LG but this phone is really robust and well designed and was a complete surprise to me.
It has hardware keys which I find very comfortable, not allowing any accidental press,
back cover is top noch metal and the whole phone looks 100 times better than on any photo, quite classy but not too much. All the hardware keys are great too. The screen is sweet, audio quality very good.
But the Camera:
In daylight it's great. You can make great photos and videos.
The whole problem is in the night & dark... Well the colours are OK but basically in those conditions pics are complete ****. Just blurry and not sharp, as well as videos. TBH not many modern phone cameras work in these conditions anyway.
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uhh yea stop spreading FUD naco he's looking for someone to help him purchase a wp7 device not for someone to deter him from purchasing a wp7!

If you're "VERY picky" then I wouldn't buy a Windows 7 phone.
Basically it's a *good* system, but it's clear from the lack of apps and the number of small niggles that it's an OS that is still maturing. I imagine Microsoft see this WP7 the same as the original Xbox; a way to get developers, phone carriers and hardware manufacturers on board, as well as iron out most technical issues, before the real battle; the launch of Windows Phone 8.
If you're the sort of person where just one little thing could ruin your enjoyment of the phone, then I'd probably recommend iOS (where everything pretty much just works as intended).
Oh and to answer your original question, yes I'm happy with my HTC Mozart, though there are a few frustrations with the system, and many apps that I miss.

extremely happy

If you find yourself only using 10-20 apps on other OS, odds are you will be perfectly happy with wp7. I think I have a total of 8 third party apps right now, I just don't need much that isn't already built into wp7.

ryude said:
If you find yourself only using 10-20 apps on other OS, odds are you will be perfectly happy with wp7. I think I have a total of 8 third party apps right now, I just don't need much that isn't already built into wp7.
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exactly, and after mango there're gonna be much more built-in apps even if you'd like to use many apps, go right ahead, it won't slow down the OS (unlike android)

I would spend sometime playing with one in the shop and see what you think, I like my Ominia 7

eric12341 said:
uhh yea stop spreading FUD naco he's looking for someone to help him purchase a wp7 device not for someone to deter him from purchasing a wp7!
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You're FUD as a whole. As I see you get many warnings on this forum.
Don't reply to me if possible.

doministry said:
You're FUD as a whole. As I see you get many warnings on this forum.
Don't reply to me if possible.
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u stop posting bull**** I'll stop replying.

eric12341 said:
u stop posting bull**** I'll stop replying.
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You keep replying. You don't even have the ability to understand what you read.

i have a HTC 7 Pro, and a Samsung Omnia 7.
Best Phones i've ever had.
Even Android Phones like Galaxy S (S II wasnt out back then), Nexus etc were simply bad after i used a WinPho7
Keep in mind that everyone has their own opinion, and this is mine.

I left android for a huge reason (one of the same reasons why I left winmo as well)
no matter how much a custom rom improved the experience, at little things, both OSes sucked at. I didn't want to buy apple because they are POS when you jailbreak them. That said, windows phone intrigued me after playing with it for a good 10 days. And when I had to go back to android or windows mobile, life was grim. I was bored with the constant rom flashing to get the device to work. even though miui was good for android and dutty was good for windows mobile, the experience overall was mediocre.
I am definitely enjoying windows phone and it gives me so much options

With Mango around the corner I can now recommend WP7 without hesitation as I know things like push notifications will be fixed soon. That's the only thing I don't like about WP7 along with some very poor Xbox Live games.
Sent from my Samsung Omnia 7 using XDA Windows Phone 7 App

domineus said:
I left android for a huge reason (one of the same reasons why I left winmo as well)
no matter how much a custom rom improved the experience, at little things, both OSes sucked at. I didn't want to buy apple because they are POS when you jailbreak them. That said, windows phone intrigued me after playing with it for a good 10 days. And when I had to go back to android or windows mobile, life was grim. I was bored with the constant rom flashing to get the device to work. even though miui was good for android and dutty was good for windows mobile, the experience overall was mediocre.
I am definitely enjoying windows phone and it gives me so much options
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thats a thing that bothers me, too....i already had a optimus speed for a couple of time and all i did was flashing a new rom again and again....
i already thought of an iphone too but since i already got a contract and have to buy the phone at the normal price, the iphone would be around 580 euro ;(
the perfect device would be a good out-of-the-box phone at a "normal" price where i don´t have to tweak everything myself
but thx for your answers

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thats a thing that bothers me, too....i already had a optimus speed for a couple of time and all i did was flashing a new rom again and again....
i already thought of an iphone too but since i already got a contract and have to buy the phone at the normal price, the iphone would be around 580 euro ;(
the perfect device would be a good out-of-the-box phone at a "normal" price where i don´t have to tweak everything myself
but thx for your answers
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sounds like wp7 may be just for you, its the best out of the box experience and there's no cluttered UI like ios or tiny (though admittedly clear) screen. wP7 never stops amazing me with all of its functionality.

indeed, it sounds pretty good to me
maybe i should wait till september?? i read somewhere that new phones will be released then and it´s my birthday too