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AT&T fortress coming Aug 24 ... any truth?

I just read this one from htc blogger. Does anyone know if this has any truth to it? I have to know and need to get one before my Sept trip.
http://htcblogger.com/2009/07/08/htc-fortress-warhawk-to-be-released-by-att-in-august/

hmmm interesting find...
there may be some truth to this, taking into consideration the fact that another member in another thread got some information that the TP2 would be coming out 6-8 weeks after the iPhone 3G S comes out.
however, if that rumor is true, and this article as well, then that means that it got pushed back a little.
no one can really tell you if it's 100% true or not, sorry. but it seems plausible.

The touch pro 2 should come out a week or two around the time of the tmobile release which is scheduled 12 august. So seems plausible.

If that happens the question would be:
Wich one of the 2 (att&t or tmob) will have the less ugly version?
If is the one on the pic I think At&t will win...
p.s Did I read well??
WM 7 refresh awarded with sept 09 launching date???
Mmmmmm...... not sure about that...........

No way.......
Please say it ain't so that the pic of that Fortress is the actual/final product. If so then I think I'm gonna jump ship to Tmo because At&t just screwed up one of the biggest selling points for me. I loved the offsetted keyboard and the spaciousness of the layout, even though the color wasn't at all appealing, I'd still be able to stomach it as long as they didn't mess with the original layout too much. I really hope thats not the final product. BTW, I've been wondering, who came up with these names for Att? It feels like either they let kids do it or they just put a bunch of names in a hat and pic one.

orb3000 said:
If that happens the question would be:
Wich one of the 2 (att&t or tmob) will have the less ugly version?
If is the one on the pic I think At&t will win...
p.s Did I read well??
WM 7 refresh awarded with sept 09 launching date???
Mmmmmm...... not sure about that...........
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from the rumors i've read WM7 requires capacitive screens. and more powa then the TP2 has on tap. Ala snapdragon or tegra.
i still get the funny notion WM7 has been ready for awhile now and is based off of Windows 7, and MS has just been waiting for the hardware to catch up.
i agree with you about the ugly contest. so far i think Sprint has the best looking version (besides stock)
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=4459
wonder if the back cover the sprint version will fit on other TP2's

poppinpengawen said:
no one can really tell you if it's 100% true or not, sorry. but it seems plausible.
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The only part that doesn't smell right to me is that we still haven't seen the ATT version in the flesh, just the hackish and apparently outdated promo QWERTZ numpad version from who knows when. I get that ATT is full-tilt iPhone-obsessed, but if we were that close to release, I'd still think we'd have seen some real life pics from it the way we have for sprint, verizon and tmo.
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i agree with you about the ugly contest. so far i think Sprint has the best looking version (besides stock)
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I actually like the look of sprint better than the european unlocked version. That chrome just seems like unnecessary shiny for a business class device.

crazy talk said:
from the rumors i've read WM7 requires capacitive screens. and more powa then the TP2 has on tap. Ala snapdragon or tegra.
i still get the funny notion WM7 has been ready for awhile now and is based off of Windows 7, and MS has just been waiting for the hardware to catch up.
i agree with you about the ugly contest. so far i think Sprint has the best looking version (besides stock)
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=4459
wonder if the back cover the sprint version will fit on other TP2's
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I´m agree
So, then then blog and info are false....
And yes Sprint is the less ugly....

These pics have been out since late May from engadget. It would be usual for T-Mobile to launch their ver in late July and att launch theirs in August. Typically, there is a six-month gap for exclusivity on new products, but given today’s market$ who knows.
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/...fortress-are-atandts-touch-diamond2-and-pro2/

Silverexp said:
Typically, there is a six-month gap for exclusivity on new products, but given today’s market$ who knows.
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No one bought exclusivity for the TP2.

looks like Telstra Next G in Australia will be out before AT & T for an 850 UMTS/WCDMA Touch Pro 2. July 22nd is the date
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2009/07/six-new-nextg-phones-unveiled/

I just hope that old Fortress pic from Engadget's not the final product. Please, oh lawd.

the warhawk looks way better than the fortress.... hell its way sexier than the gsm version as well

the spreadsheet was leaked will most likely NOT be the final product. ATT has a history of messing with their phones' hardware, but I don't think they'll make that mistake here.
and i've heard of an august 17 release date and an august 24th release date, so it seems like it really will be coming out a week or 2 after T-MO's

Damager said:
looks like Telstra Next G in Australia will be out before AT & T for an 850 UMTS/WCDMA Touch Pro 2. July 22nd is the date
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2009/07/six-new-nextg-phones-unveiled/
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yea it would work but ATT runs mostly on 1900 and they are expanding their 850...its better to have both. i guess 850 is better than nothing right.

ATT usually mess up on their Keyboard but we always learn to adapt and make good use of it...one thing though they keep the original exterior design ala tilt minus front camera and ala Fuze eith the diamond battery case and all...
i rather they have the same exterior design and ill adapt to the keyboard rather then they change it like Tmobile did (it looks cheap with the 4 buttons sticking out) and spring change their touch pro as well which i dont like...
just my opinion

God i hope the fortress' keyboard isnt red. How gay is that. Its a business phone for gods sake.

iceman4357 said:
God i hope the fortress' keyboard isnt red. How gay is that. Its a business phone for gods sake.
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99% of the customers who purchase this phone will not use it as a business device.

I won't use it as a business phone.

crazy talk said:
99% of the customers who purchase this phone will not use it as a business device.
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true as it maybe, that isn't necessarily his point. He is merely stating that, this phone was designed, and being marketed for, business users, regardless if thats how it ends up being used or not.
I agree tho, the Red is ugly.

The Ultimate WM7 Phone

Probably the best way for WM7 to sell those millions of phones that Ballmer has predicted would be to work even closer with HTC.
The Ultimate WM7 phone would be the HTC Touch Pro 3 with a 4.3 inch screen, the same tilt screen with HD definition, the same amazing physical keyboard, a 1.5 ghz Snapdragon processor, 512 mb RAM, 62gb micro sd enabled, and a 8 megapixel camera with 8x zoom and HD video enabled. Man that would be an amazing phone.
Oh yeah, also, I've heard rumours that the hardware requirements of Microsoft for WM7 don't allow a physical keyboard, is that corrrect?

blaiz123 said:
Oh yeah, also, I've heard rumours that the hardware requirements of Microsoft for WM7 don't allow a physical keyboard, is that corrrect?
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Not correct. LG already has WP7 phone with keyboard.
My "perfect" device would rather be SE. I truly hate HTC design,
it's tacky and tasteless.
Camera's aren't great either.

I'm sorry but what's SE? Do you mean Sony Ericsson?

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I'm sorry but what's SE? Do you mean Sony Ericsson?
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Ah yes. SE is that.

i don't know if design is a very important issue when it comes to a phone, but I was talking more about functionality when I referred to HTC. Also I don't think the HTC Touch Pro 2 looks "tacky and tasteless" at all. It actually has a very modern finish and it looks sleek. The tilt of the screen only reinforces the look. I do like SE, because it has created quality phones for years now. However, the problem with SE is that they are not willing to compete for market share to the same extent as HTC. This leaves their products bland and inferior to the technology that HTC is using. It seems like they are playing catch-up every time they release a phone, just look at Xperia...

blaiz123 said:
i don't know if design is a very important issue when it comes to a phone, but I was talking more about functionality when I referred to HTC. Also I don't think the HTC Touch Pro 2 looks "tacky and tasteless" at all. It actually has a very modern finish and it looks sleek. The tilt of the screen only reinforces the look. I do like SE, because it has created quality phones for years now. However, the problem with SE is that they are not willing to compete for market share to the same extent as HTC. This leaves their products bland and inferior to the technology that HTC is using. It seems like they are playing catch-up every time they release a phone, just look at Xperia...
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I know what you mean.
No doubt HTC does tremendous work, however remember SE produces also feature phones,
while HTC is smartphones only manufacturer.
But they did also great work in software....
Design - for me it's important. Also software, UI.
Now UI will be pretty the same everywhere....
Of course I only express my opinions. TouchPro 2 looks nice,
however I see X1/X2 much better in this regard.

doministry said:
I know what you mean.
No doubt HTC does tremendous work, however remember SE produces also feature phones,
while HTC is smartphones only manufacturer.
But they did also great work in software....
Design - for me it's important. Also software, UI.
Now UI will be pretty the same everywhere....
Of course I only express my opinions. TouchPro 2 looks nice,
however I see X1/X2 much better in this regard.
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There's going to be an Xperia with WP7 but it does look like it won't beready at launch. They will be a month or two (this is a guess) late for the launch.
I remember seeing them listed on the original hardware partners list but they are absent on the initial release list.
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The Dell Lightning phone looks like the one to beat right now. http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/dell-lightning-the-ultimate-windows-phone-7-device-leaks-out/
Asus is the manufacturer of the slate WP7 prototype they've showed off some. It seems that HTC has a run for it's money. Here's hoping that they can put something out that can beat these.

ya but the keyboard on the Dell lightning is on the short side, which is kind of redundant in terms of functionality and that's going to be a big factor when it comes to sales.

Completely agree!
Hope at least some of that specs can be found on the successor of Rhodium.
I really like HTC designs, I won´t go for another brand really...
blaiz123 said:
Probably the best way for WM7 to sell those millions of phones that Ballmer has predicted would be to work even closer with HTC.
The Ultimate WM7 phone would be the HTC Touch Pro 3 with a 4.3 inch screen, the same tilt screen with HD definition, the same amazing physical keyboard, a 1.5 ghz Snapdragon processor, 512 mb RAM, 62gb micro sd enabled, and a 8 megapixel camera with 8x zoom and HD video enabled. Man that would be an amazing phone.
Oh yeah, also, I've heard rumours that the hardware requirements of Microsoft for WM7 don't allow a physical keyboard, is that corrrect?
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I has a dream of a Asus bamboo wp7 device last night. but it will never happen, it was just a dream

I actually love this Dell design, we'll see if it comes real.
The device which doesn't have to be flipped to write on hardware qwerty is a dream.

doministry said:
I actually love this Dell design, we'll see if it comes real.
The device which doesn't have to be flipped to write on hardware qwerty is a dream.
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I've always loved the portrait slider form factor. With a portrait slider you still get the benefit of the hardware buttons but you can easily type with both hands or with a single hand.
I really want it but I think on the leaked material it said it was going to be on Sprint. I'm really hoping that the Samsung phone, due to that massive camera, will come to Verizon so I can buy it.
I live a bit off the beaten path and the only carrier that gives me good coverage at home, work, and inbetween is Verizon.

Bengal34 said:
I've always loved the portrait slider form factor. With a portrait slider you still get the benefit of the hardware buttons but you can easily type with both hands or with a single hand.
I really want it but I think on the leaked material it said it was going to be on Sprint. I'm really hoping that the Samsung phone, due to that massive camera, will come to Verizon so I can buy it.
I live a bit off the beaten path and the only carrier that gives me good coverage at home, work, and inbetween is Verizon.
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Well I almost never buy phones from carriers but from manufacturer.
We'll see how about that.
The question is actually when I'll be able really to get it in Poland.

doministry said:
Well I almost never buy phones from carriers but from manufacturer.
We'll see how about that.
The question is actually when I'll be able really to get it in Poland.
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Countries at Launch:
■Australia
■Austria
■Belgium
■Canada
■France
■Germany
■Hong Kong
■India
■Ireland
■Italy
■Mexico
■New Zealand
■Singapore
■Spain
■Switzerland
■UK
■US
Languages:
English, French, Italian, German and Spanish
Depending on what languages you can speak you might be able to buy one and have it shipped from Germany since it's closer or possibly the UK. Since Europe is GSM you should be able to just pop your SIM card in there. However, you probably won't be able to use zunePass and potentially marketplace access (at least for paid apps)

It's also available in other countries than that list. It's not Apple, so the individual manufactures are allowed to sell it in all regions they want to.

Windcape said:
It's also available in other countries than that list. It's not Apple, so the individual manufactures are allowed to sell it in all regions they want to.
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Wrong. Those 17 countries and five languages are the only ones that will have the devices at launch. You may be able to import the devices to other countries but you won't have access to the marketplace or zunePass.

Bengal34 said:
Wrong. Those 17 countries and five languages are the only ones that will have the devices at launch. You may be able to import the devices to other countries but you won't have access to the marketplace or zunePass.
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No, you're wrong.
Perhaps you should call your local Microsoft office, and get their opinion if it's released in your country -- because mine say it's released in mine, and mine aren't on that list.

Windcape said:
No, you're wrong.
Perhaps you should call your local Microsoft office, and get their opinion if it's released in your country -- because mine say it's released in mine, and mine aren't on that list.
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I don't think so.

Feel free to think what you like. I prefer to stick to what the local Microsoft evangelists says in public here.

Windcape said:
No, you're wrong.
Perhaps you should call your local Microsoft office, and get their opinion if it's released in your country -- because mine say it's released in mine, and mine aren't on that list.
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It depends on when it will get released. The countries listed are for the INITIAL release in October/November. Other countries are slated for later dates. I think I heard of a second release for a month or two after the initial but nothing is set in stone since there hasn't been a press release. I'm guessing that the countries for the second release aren't finalized yet due to no official list being leaked. But for the initial release it'll be only for those countries listed above.

samsung i8700 video

NICE ONE!!!
http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/06/samsung-i8700-put-through-13-minute-video-expose/

The Display is nice, but the phone is too big.

Hirnteri said:
The Display is nice, but the phone is too big.
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All the new phones are "too big" :S.. I'm hoping for a Win Phone 7 with the same size as the HTC Diamond 2... I hate huge phones like the nexus, hd2 and iphone :S

I will buy the htc Mozart. This One is little. It smaller. Like the desire.

Nice cell phone ! I will buy one.

My goodness that looks like a nice phone!!!

Is it a Samsung Captivate with a new OS?

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Is it a Samsung Captivate with a new OS?
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Hope so, because that'd mean there's a humminbird/SGX540 in it with a 4in Super Amoled screen, but the person who leaked the vid says it's a 3.7in screen. And like most people are saying here, it will most likely have the Snapdragon processor.

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Hope so, because that'd mean there's a humminbird/SGX540 in it with a 4in Super Amoled screen, but the person who leaked the vid says it's a 3.7in screen. And like most people are saying here, it will most likely have the Snapdragon processor.
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Hmmm...the US (att) Samsung Captivate has some pretty troubling issues on the reliability front. Granted it has a WM OS, however, most of the issues seem to be hardware related.
I am pretty underwhelmed by the three rumored handsets set to be announced in a few days. I'll end up purchasing one of them, simply to support the OS, but all of them look pretty ho hum. I really though that Microsoft was going to come out swinging this time around. Apparently not. The OS looks slick, though incomplete, and the hardware looks minimal instead of trend setting. Bottom line is that an WP7 handset announced next week will be eclipsed in technology by holiday sales period. That is pretty sad.

I would like to get a WP7 Device...

I currently have a MT4G with tmobile (and I like the phone...)...but I have wanted a WP7 phone since they came out, but I cannot justify spending 300$ on one .... so I was thinking 'should I get an HD2 and put WP7 on it?' but then I felt that it would be buggy and such and I would like a smooth wp7 experience...
so my question is, what options are there for me (I cannot use an upgrade, I am stuck with tmobile so I need one compatible with them [I guess, right?])...?
Thanks for your advice and help...

erebusting said:
I currently have a MT4G with tmobile (and I like the phone...)...but I have wanted a WP7 phone since they came out, but I cannot justify spending 300$ on one .... so I was thinking 'should I get an HD2 and put WP7 on it?' but then I felt that it would be buggy and such and I would like a smooth wp7 experience...
so my question is, what options are there for me (I cannot use an upgrade, I am stuck with tmobile so I need one compatible with them [I guess, right?])...?
Thanks for your advice and help...
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You are better off staying with a real WP7 device. The HD2, as good a device as it is, can't provide the whole WP7 experience permanently. You'll have to perjure yourself to get a key from MS to use the main features of WP7. And then, after each update...if the updates actually start coming...you'll have to do it all over again and likely MS will nullify the ability to use their keys.
If you start buying apps with a fake WP7, you might lose them later on. Buy an HD7 from T-Mobile or go to AT&T and snag a Focus. You won't regret it once the updates start happening...if ever. WP7 is a super smooth, super clean experience.

erebusting said:
I currently have a MT4G with tmobile (and I like the phone...)...but I have wanted a WP7 phone since they came out, but I cannot justify spending 300$ on one .... so I was thinking 'should I get an HD2 and put WP7 on it?' but then I felt that it would be buggy and such and I would like a smooth wp7 experience...
so my question is, what options are there for me (I cannot use an upgrade, I am stuck with tmobile so I need one compatible with them [I guess, right?])...?
Thanks for your advice and help...
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You can try other stores besides the retail store to see if their flexiable with the upgrade period. Wirefly, Amazon, Best Buy, Walmart, Radio Shack, Etc.

You could ask for the factory unlock from T-Mobile. Unlock the MT4G, sell it on Craiglist and use the money to buy the HD7.
You can also go on a payment plan with them and give them $15 bucks a month until you have the money to pay for a new phone.
I'm doing that right now with my HD7, but only because I have the sneaking suspicion some new phones are going to come out to blow the current crop out of the water.

lekki said:
You could ask for the factory unlock from T-Mobile. Unlock the MT4G, sell it on Craiglist and use the money to buy the HD7.
You can also go on a payment plan with them and give them $15 bucks a month until you have the money to pay for a new phone.
I'm doing that right now with my HD7, but only because I have the sneaking suspicion some new phones are going to come out to blow the current crop out of the water.
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Which is exactly why I'm saving money for one of them. These current gen phones will be "Kin'd" before too long and the good hardware will move it.

erebusting said:
I currently have a MT4G with tmobile (and I like the phone...)...but I have wanted a WP7 phone since they came out, but I cannot justify spending 300$ on one .... so I was thinking 'should I get an HD2 and put WP7 on it?' but then I felt that it would be buggy and such and I would like a smooth wp7 experience...
so my question is, what options are there for me (I cannot use an upgrade, I am stuck with tmobile so I need one compatible with them [I guess, right?])...?
Thanks for your advice and help...
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Sell your MT4g on ebay and buy the HD7 there also. Even a used MT4g is only a little cheaper than a new HD7. A lot of people are willing to trade on craigslist also.

I really don't know why you guys complain that much. In Brazil I just bought a WP7 (unsupported here yet). And I paid R$ 1.400,00. That is something about U$ 850,00.
My iPhone 4 I've paid R$ 1.800,00. Or U$ 1.125,00.
And yes, If i were you, I would buy a WP7 in a blink.

mikeeam said:
I really don't know why you guys complain that much. In Brazil I just bought a WP7 (unsupported here yet). And I paid R$ 1.400,00. That is something about U$ 850,00.
My iPhone 4 I've paid R$ 1.800,00. Or U$ 1.125,00.
And yes, If i were you, I would buy a WP7 in a blink.
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Well you have to understand, there ARE differences in economy so over here we have different options on pricing....doesn't mean that just because it costs wayy more in other locations that we should be buying them like crazy over here.... we have to think about things like that (at least I do, especially since I am not rich [yet ])...
So I am thinking of possibly getting a samsung focus (but the 3g would not work with tmobile...right?)...or the HD7... but like 'likki' said, phones are continuously upgrading so saving 15-20$ extra a month sounds pretty practical because by the time it is saved up I may not even want to get another phone (haha) or there will be better options out there....

Have you ever tried out a HD7? I think it is too big. The Trophy 7 have a perfect size screen. Not too big, nor too small.
Maybe you should try. I wouldn't buy a Samsung because of the update issues (yeah, they may have fixed, still, it was the only one with problem. I wouldn't risk).
Don't worry about the next season of WP7 handsets. Probably they don't need anything beyond our 1 GHz processor. Not for now. And I think this should last for 2 years of software updates until they need to update the hardware too.
I don't know about US 3G network. But, at least here, my Trophy works with every carrier.
And I liked the "yet" hahahah. That's the spirit! Hell yeah!

any advice? should I get an htc surround and be happy with Edge on tmobile or something? (since it may be cheaper than an HD7 ? idk)

Try ebay...
I got my HTC Surround for 180.00
It looks brand new although it had no box and not original charger. Thing works like a champ. My contract actually is up for renewal in May but i decided not to wait as i could resell it if i did not like it. I'm definately not reselling it. It's awesome!

LG Quantums all over Ebay for 180-200 dollars and they're in my opinion the third best US released device
Dell Venue Pro>Focus>Quantum
I want to like HTC's devices but their battery life is just terrible and the Surround feels like a gag phone.

Surround is pretty terrible all around. If you like big screens and you're on T-Mobile, then you have one really good choice and one decent choice.
TBQH, WP7 is so Cloud dependent that I would not want to be stuck on Edge all the time.
I can't even fathom what that experience would be like.
Edge is for Blackberries, Eseries, and Feature phones...

Ok so I have the opportunity to get the dvp or hd7 for the same price...which one should I get ? The dvp doesnt seem to have as much action in the forum ...it has less ram and no htc apps , plus its a lil bulkier....the screen size doesnt bug me becauase they are similar...
Any ideas please
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The DVP's screen is much better. The Speakers are better. The Camera is worse. It has a Physical keybaord (quite a nice one). It sitll has 512 RAM which is more than good enough. It comes in a 16 GB variant and if you're feeling Giddy you can upgrade the storage becasue it has an accessible SD Card Slot.
It tends to have better performance than the HTC phones, as well. The build quality is noticeably better.
There is no such thing as a BB Bold 9800, BTW (that's the Torch). Which Blackberry are you actually selling, asd is it a T-Mobile Branded BB?
Personally, if I was faced with that choice, I'd get the Dell.

Focus... Ignore update hocus pocus ... Its the and least expensive phone
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Download Launcher 7 for your mt4g.
Makes your android look like a w7 phone lol.
Yes I know it wont transform your phone into a full fledge w7 phone but its a good alternative and its free.
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DVP over HD7 any day... When you hold both of them you can just tell which one is better at a glance or with use... better performance, better screen, they actually have the same amount of ram, it's just generally one hell of a step up from the HD7 to the DVP.

N8ter said:
The DVP's screen is much better. The Speakers are better. The Camera is worse. It has a Physical keybaord (quite a nice one). It sitll has 512 RAM which is more than good enough. It comes in a 16 GB variant and if you're feeling Giddy you can upgrade the storage becasue it has an accessible SD Card Slot.
It tends to have better performance than the HTC phones, as well. The build quality is noticeably better.
There is no such thing as a BB Bold 9800, BTW (that's the Torch). Which Blackberry are you actually selling, asd is it a T-Mobile Branded BB?
Personally, if I was faced with that choice, I'd get the Dell.
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thanks for noticing that about my sig...lol...I will change it when I get around to it though...haha
The Robot Cow said:
Download Launcher 7 for your mt4g.
Makes your android look like a w7 phone lol.
Yes I know it wont transform your phone into a full fledge w7 phone but its a good alternative and its free.
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thanks, I tried it and it is nice -although I am more interested in the games on WP7... =) ...too bad they cant be emulated (yet... ?)
z33dev33l said:
DVP over HD7 any day... When you hold both of them you can just tell which one is better at a glance or with use... better performance, better screen, they actually have the same amount of ram, it's just generally one hell of a step up from the HD7 to the DVP.
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Thanks, I did not notice that they had the same amount of ram...some review(s) I read/watched said that it had 256? idk...
thanks for all of the advice it is really helpful...
(damn, why do all the TMobile WP7 devices have to be the ones at $300 and up...??? it is not that worth it to spend even 200 on a phone to just use edge..-i think)
its a tough decision, considering the prices and then considering the functionality / quality as well.... (although it sucks that the current wp7 devices are not very much up to par with these newer phones....namely the 'no FFC' thing bugs me)

I currently have the HTC Surround, and I have had no complaints with it. I do not understand why everyone is hating it. It has amazing speakers, feels very sturdy, 16 glorious gb's of memory, and has the same exact os as all the others. And some may say that the LCD screen is not as brilliant as the focus's AMOLED screen. But I personally like the screen.
In the end, it is up to your personal preferences.

Moving away from Galaxy Nexus. Recommendations?

So heres the thing. My father lives in Pakistan. I came to Pakistan from England for my summer holidays and I was thinking of gifting my Galaxy Nexus (running JB) to my father as he really needs a good, capable business phone. Hes not particularly happy using his combo of the Nokia E5, the galaxy tab and Xperia X10.
So I was wondering what i should get next. I was initially planning to wait for Nokia's latest offering and the new iPhone. I'm not particularly uptight about the OS I use, as long as I am happy with the phone. With the Galaxy Nexus, I was extremely happy with its performance, and i cannot for the life of me live with a phone with a screen less than 4.3 inches anymore (its spoilt me). But Galaxy S3 or the One X just don't look as big of an upgrade compared to the Galaxy Nexus.
And I'm not too hard on apps either. Kik, Fifa 12, and Flipboard are the only ones i use.
Would it be wise for me to get WP8? Its not that android hasnt kept me happy, but WP8 has me really intrigued, what with the idea of Pureview integrated into an ecosystem thats useable. And are there any unique phones on the market right now? Other than the obvious heavyweights.
Any help would be really really appreciated. :cyclops:
And sorry if Iv made any mistakes. This is the first thread I'm posting here(mostly because most answers are already there). The community is awesome.

Alfi91 said:
So heres the thing. My father lives in Pakistan. I came to Pakistan from England for my summer holidays and I was thinking of gifting my Galaxy Nexus (running JB) to my father as he really needs a good, capable business phone. Hes not particularly happy using his combo of the Nokia E5, the galaxy tab and Xperia X10.
So I was wondering what i should get next. I was initially planning to wait for Nokia's latest offering and the new iPhone. I'm not particularly uptight about the OS I use, as long as I am happy with the phone. With the Galaxy Nexus, I was extremely happy with its performance, and i cannot for the life of me live with a phone with a screen less than 4.3 inches anymore (its spoilt me). But Galaxy S3 or the One X just don't look as big of an upgrade compared to the Galaxy Nexus.
And I'm not too hard on apps either. Kik, Fifa 12, and Flipboard are the only ones i use.
Would it be wise for me to get WP8? Its not that android hasnt kept me happy, but WP8 has me really intrigued, what with the idea of Pureview integrated into an ecosystem thats useable. And are there any unique phones on the market right now? Other than the obvious heavyweights.
Any help would be really really appreciated. :cyclops:
And sorry if Iv made any mistakes. This is the first thread I'm posting here(mostly because most answers are already there). The community is awesome.
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I would go for the S3,since it's the best out there for the moment.
I have never been a fan of Windows on cellphones (guess I'm disappointed by the old WM on the old phones).
As for iPhony... I boycott them simply because they are a big corporation with evil business practices.
Swiftkey'ed on my CM9 Galaxy Nexus

Hey man!
Thats a nice thing to do for your dad, its hard to beat a Gnex atm, and having played about with my friends HTC one and s3, i still prefer my Gnex and the softkeys, i cant imagine an actual button on the front of my phone!
WP8 looks good to me too, but Jellybean is a new level of smooth, and Gnex's are getting the OTA already, so maybe just get another one? lol the new iphone and possibly a new nexus are planned for the fourth quarter, so if you could wait im sure they would be equally awesome (although coming from an iPhone to the Gnex I don't wanna go back lol maybe ios6 is different though, their making a lot of noise about it anyways). out of the HTC and s3, the HTC was nicer to use and more fluid, the touchwiz on the s3 really got on my nerves, and im sure it bogs the phone down (still superfast though). but sense on the htc was really intuitive. but thats just my opinion. im sure a custom rom on the s3 would sway my opinion though the nexus is just great and your right, this community is awesome. the asus padphones pretty unique, but its something u either like or hate. or dont know what to think of like me :laugh:
maybe go to a few phone stores and test the phones on offer, some unusual suspects might catch your eye :fingers-crossed:
id say stick with andriod but at the end of the day, its up to you!

Herman76 said:
I would go for the S3,since it's the best out there for the moment.
I have never been a fan of Windows on cellphones (guess I'm disappointed by the old WM on the old phones).
As for iPhony... I boycott them simply because they are a big corporation with evil business practices.
Swiftkey'ed on my CM9 Galaxy Nexus
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you might want to try the lumia 900. I've actually used it for a while (more liek a couple of hours) and i really felt that it was something i could use. Plus it felt so good in my hands. And yes i do understand why some people would not like the iphone.
But i really do not see myself getting the S3. I'll be really honest, it feels cheap. The One X looks and feels better. But as I said none of these two phones offers anything quite different from the galaxy nexus. Why pay 100 quid more for very incremental differences in user experience. The galaxy nexus right now is a much better package for the amount of money you pay. But I want something different.

Herman76 said:
As for iPhony... I boycott them simply because they are a big corporation with evil business practices.
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HAHA! I was thinking the same thing! and the same can be said about Microsoft IMO.

You have contradictions in your thoughts... though you say s3 or one x will be expensive and g nexus is best bet, you say you want something different.

Knighthawk108 said:
Hey man!
Thats a nice thing to do for your dad, its hard to beat a Gnex atm, and having played about with my friends HTC one and s3, i still prefer my Gnex and the softkeys, i cant imagine an actual button on the front of my phone!
WP8 looks good to me too, but Jellybean is a new level of smooth, and Gnex's are getting the OTA already, so maybe just get another one? lol the new iphone and possibly a new nexus are planned for the fourth quarter, so if you could wait im sure they would be equally awesome (although coming from an iPhone to the Gnex I don't wanna go back lol maybe ios6 is different though, their making a lot of noise about it anyways). out of the HTC and s3, the HTC was nicer to use and more fluid, the touchwiz on the s3 really got on my nerves, and im sure it bogs the phone down (still superfast though). but sense on the htc was really intuitive. but thats just my opinion. im sure a custom rom on the s3 would sway my opinion though the nexus is just great and your right, this community is awesome. the asus padphones pretty unique, but its something u either like or hate. or dont know what to think of like me :laugh:
maybe go to a few phone stores and test the phones on offer, some unusual suspects might catch your eye :fingers-crossed:
id say stick with andriod but at the end of the day, its up to you!
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I know right. The keys on the galaxy nexus are brilliant.
The thing is, windows phone has really got my eye right now. I mean someone was talking about it having directX support and that porting games form windows 8 would be quite easy for developers. If something along those lines could happen, it could change the mobile gaming landscape. But yes i do realise how right now its more a fight between the One X and the S3. I still dont fancy these two phones. Maybe an android offering in the future might get me, but I just cant buy a device i dont love. You know. Like with the Galaxy nexus, it was love at first sight. The curve at the back and the whole feel of the damn thing lol. Loved the experience. I want something of that sort with my next device lol.

Getting win phone 7 before win phone 8 which is near corner is stupid
Getting iPhone 4s now when new 4" iPhone cones in few months is stupid.
Getting new iPhone than on same old OS would be even more stupid.
LOL.

atifsh said:
You have contradictions in your thoughts... though you say s3 or one x will be expensive and g nexus is best bet, you say you want something different.
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I dont say theyre expensive. I just think theyre not different enough from a Gnex to be at their price points. The Gnex is really good value for money is what i meant. And I still think that stock Jelly Bean offers a better experience than touchwiz or Sense. Wp8 on the other hand might rival the whole UX thing.

Alfi91 said:
you might want to try the lumia 900. I've actually used it for a while (more liek a couple of hours) and i really felt that it was something i could use. Plus it felt so good in my hands. And yes i do understand why some people would not like the iphone.
But i really do not see myself getting the S3. I'll be really honest, it feels cheap. The One X looks and feels better. But as I said none of these two phones offers anything quite different from the galaxy nexus. Why pay 100 quid more for very incremental differences in user experience. The galaxy nexus right now is a much better package for the amount of money you pay. But I want something different.
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I thought the same about the s3, but the screens great and it is pretty solid (watched it drop from a desk onto a hard floor, once we took a breath and checked it was ok) touchwiz was the killer but that can be fixed with a custom rom.
The lumia 900 wont be getting WP8 as far as i know, so if something different is what your after, maybe waiting for the new one is a good idea.
and atifsh, hes already had a nexus and said the One X and S3 arent a big leap ahead of it. And he fancies something different now, wheres the contradictions dude? TROLL.

atifsh said:
Getting win phone 7 before win phone 8 which is near corner is stupid
Getting iPhone 4s now when new 4" iPhone cones in few months is stupid.
Getting new iPhone than on same old OS would be even more stupid.
LOL.
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Lol. That's why I'll probably wait for WP8. I dunno about the iPhone. The only reason anyone would get the iPhone over the S3, One X or Gnex is its gaming prowess. I mean the interface is kind of..well crap. but with a 4.7 inch screen, gaming on the iphone could really be something. I know that will never happen but I mean. Hoping for something of that sort. Browsing on a tiny 3.5 inch screen is a pain in any case.
Btw i do know that gaming on android doesnt suck. But i just feel we dont get developers giving it the same amount of love as the iOS equivalents. Wouldnt you agree. FIFA12 on iOS is comparable to the 3ds version. But the same version on android feels like a half hearted effort and its even costlier.

Knighthawk108 said:
I thought the same about the s3, but the screens great and it is pretty solid (watched it drop from a desk onto a hard floor, once we took a breath and checked it was ok) touchwiz was the killer but that can be fixed with a custom rom.
The lumia 900 wont be getting WP8 as far as i know, so if something different is what your after, maybe waiting for the new one is a good idea.
and atifsh, hes already had a nexus and said the One X and S3 arent a big leap ahead of it. And he fancies something different now, wheres the contradictions dude? TROLL.
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Do you think with a clean JB ROM, I could get noticeably better performance out of the S3? Compared to the GNex that is? And I have seen the S3 screen. It doesnt have this sort of banding that I'v got on my GNex but the banding has never bothered me at all. Otherwise the screens feel identical to my eyes.

Alfi91 said:
I know right. The keys on the galaxy nexus are brilliant.
The thing is, windows phone has really got my eye right now. I mean someone was talking about it having directX support and that porting games form windows 8 would be quite easy for developers. If something along those lines could happen, it could change the mobile gaming landscape. But yes i do realise how right now its more a fight between the One X and the S3. I still dont fancy these two phones. Maybe an android offering in the future might get me, but I just cant buy a device i dont love. You know. Like with the Galaxy nexus, it was love at first sight. The curve at the back and the whole feel of the damn thing lol. Loved the experience. I want something of that sort with my next device lol.
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Yeah Ive heard about that too, and your right it could change everything! but windows has failed royally in the past, i guess ill believe it when i see it!
aw dude I know, I was so close to going with an s2, the guy at O2 was pushing but I tried the nexus and knew i wanted it! gonna keep it until a new nexus or something that catches my eye like the Gnex did to start with haha Happy Hunting anyway and be patient if you can, Im sure there's some cracking phones on the way.
and as for gaming, Androids starting to get the attention it deserves. EA and Gameloft have some great games already and more are on the way. i was super impressed with the dark knight rises game from gameloft, people have been having problems with it but it runs like a dream for me and its ambitious. things can only get better!
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Alfi91 said:
Do you think with a clean JB ROM, I could get noticeably better performance out of the S3? Compared to the GNex that is? And I have seen the S3 screen. It doesnt have this sort of banding that I'v got on my GNex but the banding has never bothered me at all. Otherwise the screens feel identical to my eyes.
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I cant say for certain as my friend wont do it lol despite my peer pressure. but the touchwiz is bloaty and it cant harm anything to get rid of it. compared to the Gnex? it depends, hardware wise theoretically it should, but there are rom and kernel combos on the Gnex that make it lightning so i'll be honest and say the difference probably wont be huge. U cant get much faster than lightening fast haha maybe someone in the s3 forum has an answer to that who previously had a Gnex.

Knighthawk108 said:
Yeah Ive heard about that too, and your right it could change everything! but windows has failed royally in the past, i guess ill believe it when i see it!
aw dude I know, I was so close to going with an s2, the guy at O2 was pushing but I tried the nexus and knew i wanted it! gonna keep it until a new nexus or something that catches my eye like the Gnex did to start with haha Happy Hunting anyway and be patient if you can, Im sure there's some cracking phones on the way.
and as for gaming, Androids starting to get the attention it deserves. EA and Gameloft have some great games already and more are on the way. i was super impressed with the dark knight rises game from gameloft, people have been having problems with it but it runs like a dream for me and its ambitious. things can only get better!
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Yes. I might wait til the new nexus devices come out. Rumors about 3 or 4 of them coming out at the same time are interesting as well.
And yes I'll be keeping my eye out for all those devices from Japan as well. Some of the androids there are really something (design wise).
And yes i know. Gaming on these 4.5+ inch screens is really what portable gaming will be after a couple of years. With the amount effort most devs are putting into mobile gaming, we might see the 3ds and vita fizzling out.
I will also be looking around in the S3 forums. I think it really wont be that much of a difference. Your'e right Gnex really is quick. Dunno how much quicker you can get lol.

Alfi91 said:
Yes. I might wait til the new nexus devices come out. Rumors about 3 or 4 of them coming out at the same time are interesting as well.
And yes I'll be keeping my eye out for all those devices from Japan as well. Some of the androids there are really something (design wise).
And yes i know. Gaming on these 4.5+ inch screens is really what portable gaming will be after a couple of years. With the amount effort most devs are putting into mobile gaming, we might see the 3ds and vita fizzling out.
I will also be looking around in the S3 forums. I think it really wont be that much of a difference. Your'e right Gnex really is quick. Dunno how much quicker you can get lol.
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Well, you know for sure you like the gnex, so why not just get another one? When the new Nexus comes out you can take a look at it and maybe sell the gnex. As for the S3, it has significantly better hardware... screen, camera, processor etc... but it doesn't have the Nexus software advantages.

Can't argue on games on iPhone vs android cause I'm not a gamer.
But I would differ on this that s3 or even one x doesn't have more to it than nexus.
Yes nexus gets OS updates fast but when both phones are on same level of OS, which they will in month or so, it will be different.
Example the leaked new build of one x is notably faster than previous, everyone noted that who uses it. And that's 4.04.
Also on s3 you put apex,nova and you get stock look.
Talking about quad s3 here, US users may don't agree.
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and atifsh, hes already had a nexus and said the One X and S3 arent a big leap ahead of it. And he fancies something different now, wheres the contradictions dude? TROLL.
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What troll? Where's the troll?
He likes nexus true
He likes but wont buy S3 or One X for his reasons, which are only good phones apart nexus in my opinion at the moment.
He likes win phone 8 and want to buy when it comes... and than there's iPhone somewhere in between.

Well the screen of my previous Nexus look better than my S3 so it depends on each device and the batch it came from. My Nexus screen didn't have banding problems. I like the higher dpi too.
S3 has a much more powerful quadcore GPU so its one of the best phone for gaming now. Playing psx games it was over 500fps. And the camera is excellent, but I don't think its any better than the S2 or Note.
I trading my S3 to go back to the Nexus, made a big mistake buying any phone but a Nexus. Now that I realized that fact, my phone hobby will become more affordable, especially with Google pricing.

i don't like my gnex
My gnex was dropping the signal all the time.
My wife's Droid x has a much better signal reception. My gnex is much faster on the wifi. I got Verizon to send me a replacement and the second one has same problem. But the second one has powered down on me a couple of times now for no reason. The phone was in a case on my side when it happened the few times that it did. I am frustrated now. Verizon said we could talk about a different model
But what do you replace this with. What is most bug free without losing ground?

You sound like you're into gaming, so right off the bat I'd recommend waiting for the Note II. It sounds like samsung will pack in a lot of power, and once you go bigger you generally can't go back.
Waiting (a bit longer) for the next Nexus is also another possibility. Hopefully it'll come with an OMAP 5 or another A15 chipset. (As a strong soft-key advocate, it's also not likely I could get anything besides a Nexus anytime soon either.)
While I too find WP intriguing, I cannot in good conscience recommend it or iOS due to the limitations they built into the platform. I'm not even talking about limited custom modding (though that's also a big deal to me), but even more basic limitations: no custom launcher, no custom keyboard (no swiftkey or swipe? They must really think their stuff is the end-all-be-all or something), no file manager, no sideloading of apps. Some of this might be mitigated by jailbreaking, but only at a stability cost.
This problem is even worse in WP due to its further limitations; not even WP8, to my knowledge, will allow custom backgrounds in its launcher - my Launcher 7 is practically more advanced than their bloody default start screen. Still, if you do decide on WP, you should definitely wait until the 8 devices come out, or you'd just be buying into a dead end.
Right now the S3 or One X are the obvious choices, but I would recommend waiting. It feels like better stuff is right around the corner (whether the Note, Nexus, or One X+). Unfortunately, I don't think England has the Nexus for $350 deal, or I would definitely recommend that for your father.