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Which is gonna be best to get?

hi with all the leaks of the new mobiles that are to be released which one is going to be the best 1 to get thats gonna keeps me going for at least 2 years.

With WP7, the specs are all standardized. The options are pretty much personal decisions..
How much storage do you want?
Do you value a physical keyboard?
Which do you think looks the best?
How big of a screen do you want?
What models will work on your carrier (this will probably limit you the most)?
Noone can answer those questions for you. The things that would affect longevity (CPU, RAM) are all standard on WP7 so really won't differ much if at all.

richard1978 said:
hi with all the leaks of the new mobiles that are to be released which one is going to be the best 1 to get thats gonna keeps me going for at least 2 years.
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go with hTC Hd3~ haha

question is when is the hd3 gonna be released? One things for sure i dont want a small screen nothing less than 3.8 but would prefer 4 and above

I looking for more of a Touch Pro3 type device. Although I would love to see a 4"+ screen with a slide out keyboard.

I'll probably end up with a Samsung whenever I decide to switch. I don't know what it is, but I always ended up with a Samsung in my pocket for the last 4-5 years now.
I went from the Samsung i630 -> i760 -> Omnia II (i920)
Probably has to do more with Verizon being my provider than any affinity I have for Samsung.

what I'm wondering, .I'm from the netherlands, and also wantto buy it in october, but the dutch version won't be there then yet. So, can I also buy the english version here, or do I need to export it?
cheers
vic

richard1978 said:
question is when is the hd3 gonna be released? One things for sure i dont want a small screen nothing less than 3.8 but would prefer 4 and above
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According to pdadb.net the HTC Mondrian/Schubert /Mozart's predecessor model is the HD2, so basically, this will be the HD3.
pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=2388&c=htc_mondrian__schubert__mozart
But to answer your question, RustyGrom couldn't have said it any better, but the best thing to do right now is not to get into any contracts until at least November, I just canceled Sprint and now have and HD2 with T-Mob, contract less...

I must say all those leaked devices recently look very bad.
Besides Dell Lightning.

doministry said:
I must say all those leaked devices recently look very bad.
Besides Dell Lightning.
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I liked the square Asus was it...there was something else square that looked nice...was it another Samsung maybe? But it's weird...that samsung taylor prototype look has grown on me, lol. But I can't wait to see reviews instead of leaks.

PDADB?
Is there another site that organizes the upcoming models better?

Well, as always Sprint is last to get a phone. The only positive is lately Sprint has the best looking and performing phones out (Evo and Epic). I hope this trend continues and Sprint drops a real monster this winter.

There is a decent round up here...
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/35093/windows-phone-7-launch-phones

now we know the models that are being released which is gonna be best, now im more prone to the hd7 or the omnia 7 manly being screen size not sure which yet. So which would you pick and why?

I'm partial to the Samsungs with the S-AMOLED screens. WP7, even more than other OSes, looks great on a AMOLED screen.

RustyGrom said:
I'm partial to the Samsungs with the S-AMOLED screens. WP7, even more than other OSes, looks great on a AMOLED screen.
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ditto - plus SD card support as well if that pans out.

From people who have had hands-on sessions and the lucky few who have received their review units already, I've been hearing Mozart and Omnia are the nicest. The general consensus seems to be that the HD7 doesn't feel quite right, too big, too shiny and WP7 somehow feels better on the smaller screens.
The Trophy seems to be winning a lot of praise too, though I think that's on the presumption that it will be quite a bit cheaper than the Mozart.

Yeah the Mozart is a very nice looking device. My only concern is no SAMOLED. I agree with the above post about WP7 looking best with an AMOLED screen. However, I'm not too sure I want a phone with Samsung's build quality. Decisions.. decisions..

The LG phones actually look good in the reviews Ive seen which is a bit of a shocker as Ive never like LG for phones that much in the past...

Well... I prefer the HD7... it just looks like THE WP7 device... it just stands out, that gorgeous 4.3 inch screen? that beautiful camera(2 LED!), the stand! the other devices are small and weak... the Dell one just looks ugly(I thought it looked like the BlackBerry Style)
Still, speed is no issue with any of them...

Orange choices

I can't be the only person facing this choice...
I need to replace my aging HTC Touch HD (Blackstone) as my contract expires the end of this month.
I have the choice of the Omnia 7 and HTC Mozart.
I was originaly leaning towards the Mozart but having seen a few reviews now the Omnia seems to be a possibly better bet.
There are conflicting opinions of the camera on the Mozart, some say it's great others saying it's not as good as the Omnia's 5MP job.
The screen does look beautiful on the Omnia but I just don't know. Maybe people having the same dilema as me or those who have made the choice already could add their opinions to aid me and possibly others!
Many thanks!

I had the same dilemna yesterday. My Touch Pro 2 broke and my phone insurance offered to try and get a replacement or offer me the cash (£360!!).
I looked at the Mozart and the Omnia and have opted for the Mozart. Spec wise they seem very similar, but I think the Mozart seems a bit sturdier. It is arriving on Tuesday!

Definitely go for the Mozart. The Galaxy S left a bad taste in my mouth. HTC build quality > Samsung build quality.

I like the Samsung built phones but HTC built phones are also good.
I would just look at the specs / battery life / display / extras etc.
That way you can find one that suits your needs.

The Samsung looks better, especially because the display blends well into the phone frame.
However considering how text and contrast heavy the WP7 UI is, the Pentile pattern in AMOLED isn't exactly optimal for sharpness. At least I can make the color fringing on texts as well as the gritty Pentile pattern in images out rather well (I guess having not yet bad eyes helps). Right now I have a Nexus and can make things out, a larger display will worsen it for me personally.
So I'm making the compromise and go for a HTC device with SLCD (Trophy tho, not the Mozart).
Also, in the end, the hit on the battery will be generally less, seeing how browsing is a major activity, and that most websites have white or bright backgrounds, without AMOLEDs power draw in play. Samsung has a bigger battery tho.

I went for the Mozart as the Omnia's screen is a little too large for me. It's due for delivery Monday but I won't get it until Tuesday or Wednesday as I'm not at my Billing Address.

Thanks for the input.
One of the concerns I had was regarding the build quality of the Samsung model since it hasn't really been their strong point on previous handsets.
I read different opinions on the casing of the Omnia 7, mostly saying it is much improved.

I got the Omnia 7 from Orange yesterday build quality is good and the screen is awsome... Free on 18 month contract £35 per month.... So will have the option to upgrade again Jan 2012 (after 15 months)........ Had no crashes so far!!

ebzrascal said:
I got the Omnia 7 from Orange yesterday build quality is good and the screen is awsome... Free on 18 month contract £35 per month.... So will have the option to upgrade again Jan 2012 (after 15 months)........ Had no crashes so far!!
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A question regarding the camera on the Omnia. Reviews have stated the flash is overpowering and not that useful. However I assume since it's LED it means that it can be turned on costantly for use on video recording and could double up as a torch.. something the Mozart with a xenon cannot do?
Thanks

I'm in exactly the same boat. I've been holding off upgrading for 4 months now to see how WP7 pans out. Would like to stay with Orange but this isn't a requirement.
I wanted to ask, has anyone actually tried the phones out before buying? Are the phones in the shops yet? I haven't got down to one yet (my second son was born yesterday, so I have a good excuse), so don't know. I don't think I'd want to commit to 18 months (at least) without trying the hardware out first.
And of course, there's always the HD2, sorry HD7 on O2. Like a mini-tablet, only fits in your pocket, unlike a Streak. I'll need to try this one out too.

Having spoken to Orange they aren't offering particularly good options with regards to renewing so I did look around. However what I was offered is still better than O2 will do so the HD7 was out for me.
The LG on Vodafone didn't really inspire me nor did the Trophy.
I wish the Venue Pro (Lightning was such a better name) was offered on a carrier.
I'm heading into town tomorrow so was going to ring up my local Orange shop to see if they had either handsets in stock so that i could have a play with them.
Another thing I was curious about that had been raised in other posts was if the Omnia had Gorilla glass as with the Galaxy. That would be a real plus point for me as i do worry about having such a big screen after managing to crack my Touch HD even though i treat my phones with great care.

mtb_baz said:
I'm in exactly the same boat. I've been holding off upgrading for 4 months now to see how WP7 pans out. Would like to stay with Orange but this isn't a requirement.
I wanted to ask, has anyone actually tried the phones out before buying? Are the phones in the shops yet? I haven't got down to one yet (my second son was born yesterday, so I have a good excuse), so don't know. I don't think I'd want to commit to 18 months (at least) without trying the hardware out first.
And of course, there's always the HD2, sorry HD7 on O2. Like a mini-tablet, only fits in your pocket, unlike a Streak. I'll need to try this one out too.
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Been with Orange for what seems like a life time and like you I'm also out of contract and looking for a suitable replacement. I actually jumped ship and went to o2 (for the best part of a day). I got the HD7 for £45 a month on a 24 month contract which includes insurance. I had to pay £49 for the handset though but to be honest I really didn't feel comfortable leaving Orange were I was paying £35 a month (which includes insurance) for less minutes...
Again being totally honest, the HD7 is a beast of a phone. Compared to my Blackstone (which I've flashed the hell out of) the HD7 is just stunning. The large screen and handset quality easily gives you bragging rights ahead of any phone. It just seemed to work out of the box but strangely enough, something just didn't feel right. Maybe it was the big screen that I used to drool over. Maybe it was the fact I had to leave Orange. Maybe it was the fact that I couldn't flash my phone no more. I just don't know. Because of these reservations, I reluctantly returned the phone (still in shock I did this). I've decided to give WP7 another chance and I have ordered the Samsung Omnia7 on Orange, which is free of charge on a 18 month contract for £35 a month, 600min and unlimited internet. The phone arrives on Monday and I will certainly give it a good try. The reviews I’ve read are encouraging so I’m keeping an open mind. If I still have any doubts about the phone, I’ll return it and wait for the Desire HD on Orange.
For me the jury is still out for WP7. Don't get me wrong, it very user friendly and intuitive, however my only concern is that the operating system has been completely locked down like the Iphone. Simple tasks like syncing with outlook and mass storage access through explorer is a thing of the past. For me, it’s a change of mindset. I’m cool with this but old habits die hard.

Can I just say to everyone considering a trophy...
Please go and check it out with your Hands!
It's a piece of plastic junk after seeing it in a vodafone store... it's definitely the super budget WP7...
Also take note the screens on Trophy and Mozart are different, the Mozart's being 0.1" less but a much better quality display to my eye!
Just talk with Orange, they are doing great deals on the Mozart, please get that instead of a trophy!
Also if you want OLED, Omnia 7 has a metal wrapped back... it's quite solid, there's no creaks! It's sexy.

Yeah even HTC says the HTC Trophy is their bottom of the line "budget" WP7 device. Not saying it's bad, just that it's meant to be the budget phone.

Phone Titan said:
I like the Samsung built phones but HTC built phones are also good.
I would just look at the specs / battery life / display / extras etc.
That way you can find one that suits your needs.
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I think he should only worry about exras, consiering all 1st gen phones are the bare minimum microsoft outlined
I mean, come on. Why didn't sammy put a hummingird in the omnia to atleast make it stand out a lil more?
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A_Flying_Fox said:
I think he should only worry about exras, consiering all 1st gen phones are the bare minimum microsoft outlined
I mean, come on. Why didn't sammy put a hummingird in the omnia to atleast make it stand out a lil more?
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Because MS told them not to, they're strict. And that's good for us.. we all know how Sammy screwed up galaxy s (maybe they'll fix it now - in november rls..NOT)

went into my local Orange shop today.
They don't have any Mozarts in and won't for a few days. They don't know when the Omnia is coming in and said only a limited number are available in the country.
So no new insights gained! I may just plump for the Omnia and if i don't like it i can return it for the Mozart.

What's the price difference between the Mozart and the Trophy... if its a budget wp7 phone?

Phone Titan said:
What's the price difference between the Mozart and the Trophy... if its a budget wp7 phone?
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Orange don't have the Trophy at the moment it's on Vodafone.
I have a leaflet here from Vodafone store:
FREE HTC 7 Trophy
- 300 minutes
- Unlimited standard UK Texts
- 500MB of UK Web access
£25 a month on a 24-month agreement
Same tariff on Orange
HTC Mozart
- 300 minutes
- Unlimited standard UK Texts
- 500MB UK Web Access
£25 a month on a 24-month agreement
Plus £100 handset cost.
(Or free on a more expensive tariff)
£100 over 2 years remember is £4.17 a month

I'm on the verge of ordering the Omnia I think.
Looking at reviews the camera picture quality seems better on the Omnia than the Mozart, likely due to Samsung having better camera hardware than HTC. I know the camera on my HD is attrocious.
It's so difficult to decide as there is so little between the launch hardware. I like HTC as a company as my Blackstone has been superb, just there is nothing stand out on the Mozart for me really...
Gutted that the Orange stores didn't have any in to play with though. In the past there have been clear choices, such as the Touch HD vs Xperia X1 was any easy decision for me.

No WP7 for me thanks to network exclusives :(

I had been eagerly following WP7 news in the run up to release, and despite there being several areas that narked me, I really liked the look of it. Anyway, those areas that were/are a problem will no doubt get dealt with in future updates.
So, I am now pretty much at the end of my current contract and was getting quite excited about the prospect of getting a shiny new WP7. I have been into the O2 shop with my wife to have a play with the HD7 (they are the only shop that have real working handsets for you to try). We BOTH love it. And by it, I mean both the WP7 OS and the device itself. This is where the problems begin... network exclusivity.
O2 have the HD7 (16GB).
Orange have the HTC Mozart (8GB)
Vodaphone have the HTC Trophy (8GB)
and I believe that the Samsung Omnia 7 (8GB) & LG Optimus 7 (8GB) are available on various networks.
I have had HTC Windows based phones since the original SPV. I both really like & trust HTC devices. The Samsung looks and feels cheap & tacky. The LG is just plain ugly. The HTC Trophy & Mozart only have 8GB storage and are both too small for what we want. So the only option for us is the HD7 and we both love it!!!
So, no problem then? Think again. O2 exclusivity is the problem. I cannot use either O2 or Vodafone as both networks have sub-standard coverage where I live. To the extent where it is a real no go. On top of that, as there is no competition for this handset, O2 just do not offer a good tariff/ handset price deal. I will not spend over £35 a month, but may consider spending a bit (but not a small fortune) on the handset. I must also have reasonable data allowance. In fact, WP7 demands this too. 500MB? Just doesn't cut it anymore.
Long story short, as a result I now have to turn to Android and the HTC Desire HD, which is available from all networks on some really competitive deals. This is a real blow considering how much I have been looking forward to WP7.
I just hope that there aren't hundreds of thousands of other people who have had to make the same decision. I hope that a couple of years down the line that WP7 is going strong & that there will be a good variety of handsets available on all networks, so as to give the consumer real choice, and to allow me to finally get the WP7 handset I want on the network of my choice.

SilentBob said:
I had been eagerly following WP7 news in the run up to release, and despite there being several areas that narked me, I really liked the look of it. Anyway, those areas that were/are a problem will no doubt get dealt with in future updates.
So, I am now pretty much at the end of my current contract and was getting quite excited about the prospect of getting a shiny new WP7. I have been into the O2 shop with my wife to have a play with the HD7 (they are the only shop that have real working handsets for you to try). We BOTH love it. And by it, I mean both the WP7 OS and the device itself. This is where the problems begin... network exclusivity.
O2 have the HD7 (16GB).
Orange have the HTC Mozart (8GB)
Vodaphone have the HTC Trophy (8GB)
and I believe that the Samsung Omnia 7 (8GB) & LG Optimus 7 (8GB) are available on various networks.
I have had HTC Windows based phones since the original SPV. I both really like & trust HTC devices. The Samsung looks and feels cheap & tacky. The LG is just plain ugly. The HTC Trophy & Mozart only have 8GB storage and are both too small for what we want. So the only option for us is the HD7 and we both love it!!!
So, no problem then? Think again. O2 exclusivity is the problem. I cannot use either O2 or Vodafone as both networks have sub-standard coverage where I live. To the extent where it is a real no go. On top of that, as there is no competition for this handset, O2 just do not offer a good tariff/ handset price deal. I will not spend over £35 a month, but may consider spending a bit (but not a small fortune) on the handset. I must also have reasonable data allowance. In fact, WP7 demands this too. 500MB? Just doesn't cut it anymore.
Long story short, as a result I now have to turn to Android and the HTC Desire HD, which is available from all networks on some really competitive deals. This is a real blow considering how much I have been looking forward to WP7.
I just hope that there aren't hundreds of thousands of other people who have had to make the same decision. I hope that a couple of years down the line that WP7 is going strong & that there will be a good variety of handsets available on all networks, so as to give the consumer real choice, and to allow me to finally get the WP7 handset I want on the network of my choice.
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Actually, from my experience with DesireHD on my HD2, I would say you are coming out of it on top by going with the DesireHD. This is an Android version like no other. It's gorgeous and offers excellent customization features like the skins and such. Plus the actual DesireHD hardware is also purely gorgeous.
You may think you are losing by not being able to go with WP7, but I see it the other way. You get so many features with DesireHD that WP7 doesn't have. And if the actual DesireHD UI is anything like the HD2 DesireHD ROM, the UI is silky smooth and a luscious. It's as smooth as WP7.

I know this is not what you want to hear but the HD7 is only £360 on Pay&Go I bought it on pay & go and now use my T-Mobile sim in it.
You'd be looking at a £30 a month contract anyway so that's the equivalent of 1 year so you'd save £360 which can be used to get a cheap sim only deal.

MartyLK said:
Actually, from my experience with DesireHD on my HD2, I would say you are coming out of it on top by going with the DesireHD. This is an Android version like no other. It's gorgeous and offers excellent customization features like the skins and such. Plus the actual DesireHD hardware is also purely gorgeous.
You may think you are losing by not being able to go with WP7, but I see it the other way. You get so many features with DesireHD that WP7 doesn't have. And if the actual DesireHD UI is anything like the HD2 DesireHD ROM, the UI is silky smooth and a luscious. It's as smooth as WP7.
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No... it isn't. Don't get me wrong though, the Desire HD is a very capable phone and with Sense 2.5 it provides what I think is the best Android experience but it isn't quite as smooth as WP7 or iOS yet.

paperclips said:
No... it isn't. Don't get me wrong though, the Desire HD is a very capable phone and with Sense 2.5 it provides what I think is the best Android experience but it isn't quite as smooth as WP7 or iOS yet.
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Like I said, I don't know about the actual DesireHD, but my HD2 with DesireHD is. And I do have an HD7 to compare it to.

MartyLK said:
Actually, from my experience with DesireHD on my HD2, I would say you are coming out of it on top by going with the DesireHD. This is an Android version like no other. It's gorgeous and offers excellent customization features like the skins and such. Plus the actual DesireHD hardware is also purely gorgeous.
You may think you are losing by not being able to go with WP7, but I see it the other way. You get so many features with DesireHD that WP7 doesn't have. And if the actual DesireHD UI is anything like the HD2 DesireHD ROM, the UI is silky smooth and a luscious. It's as smooth as WP7.
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TBH, I have been keeping an eye on what's happening with Android too. You know, just in case WP7 completely failed. I understand it is better for customisation (which I am used to on WM). However, I get the feeling that with WP7 I wouldn't feel the need to customise beyond wallpaper & ringtone. It looks like it just works so well.
I realise how similar the hardware of the HD7 & Desire HD are, hence why this seems to be the sensible alternative. The DHD even has some advantage, such as Alu-body & SLCD screen.
It seems that (unless you are loaded) there always has to be compromise. In this case:
- Handset/hardware
- Network (and therefore service)
- O/S
And unfortunately it seems that O/S is the one to give. Although, as you said, I am sure it won't be a disappointing experience.

brummiesteven said:
I know this is not what you want to hear but the HD7 is only £360 on Pay&Go I bought it on pay & go and now use my T-Mobile sim in it.
You'd be looking at a £30 a month contract anyway so that's the equivalent of 1 year so you'd save £360 which can be used to get a cheap sim only deal.
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I had considered this...
but only for a couple of seconds.
Unfortunately I do not have the £700+ needed to buy one for me & one for the wife outright. Hence why there always has to be compromise somewhere.

paperclips said:
No... it isn't. Don't get me wrong though, the Desire HD is a very capable phone and with Sense 2.5 it provides what I think is the best Android experience but it isn't quite as smooth as WP7 or iOS yet.
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Perhaps what it needs is a custom ROM to get the best experience? But, despite not having any experience, I certainly feel that HTC are doing some good stuff with Android. Just as they did with WM. It is a shame though, 'cos the short while I spent playing with WP7 was pretty amazing.
Damned network exclusives! That's exactly why I ended up back on Orange (for the original HTC Touch HD).

SilentBob said:
I had considered this...
but only for a couple of seconds.
Unfortunately I do not have the £700+ needed to buy one for me & one for the wife outright. Hence why there always has to be compromise somewhere.
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Another option is the HTC Mozart. Like the HD7, the SD Card in the Mozart can be replaced.

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Another option is the HTC Mozart. Like the HD7, the SD Card in the Mozart can be replaced.
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Yeah, I have looked at that. It is good looking & very well built, but...
- After trying out the HD7, the screen just seems too small (hard to think that 2.8" was the norm just a couple of years back).
- The storage upgrade would immediately invalidate the warranty.

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Yeah, I have looked at that. It is good looking & very well built, but...
- After trying out the HD7, the screen just seems too small (hard to think that 2.8" was the norm just a couple of years back).
- The storage upgrade would immediately invalidate the warranty.
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I would assume it is possible, albeit tricky, to do it without voiding the warranty. If it broke you'd just pop back the original SD card in.
It does suck, there should be more with 16gb storage or even 32gb. The Samsung Omnia 7 is an awesome phone btw and far better than any of the HTCs (although it's 8gb anyway).
I don't know what else to suggest though when is your contract up? If it's not for a while you could wait a bit for the Dell Venue Pro. 4" screen, Micro SD Card slot, Gorilla Glass. Shouldn't be too long for that.
Edit: Turns out you don't have to wait, buymobilephones has it http://www.buymobilephones.net/mobile-phones/Dell/Dell-Venue-Pro/108,56273
I would seriously consider getting that phone, I wanted it but it was delayed so just went with the HD7

brummiesteven said:
I don't know what else to suggest though when is your contract up? If it's not for a while you could wait a bit for the Dell Venue Pro. 4" screen, Micro SD Card slot, Gorilla Glass. Shouldn't be too long for that.
Edit: Turns out you don't have to wait, buymobilephones has it http://www.buymobilephones.net/mobile-phones/Dell/Dell-Venue-Pro/108,56273
I would seriously consider getting that phone, I wanted it but it was delayed so just went with the HD7
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Now that is interesting! I do really like the look of that phone. It would be nice if I could see it in person somewhere, as I am concerned that it could be a bit chunky. But it is certainly classy looking. May have to see if I can track one down somewhere so I can size it up.

Being limited by carrier coverage and subsidies is a pretty lousy situation, but all we can do about it is make the best of it. Due to the coverage where I live, I've signed my life away to AT&T, and thus was able to get the Samsung Focus, which I enjoy very much. If I had the option, though, I think that I'd have held out for the Venue Pro. +0.1" on the screen and a physical keyboard? Yes, please.
Either way, best of luck on your hunt!

SilentBob said:
Now that is interesting! I do really like the look of that phone. It would be nice if I could see it in person somewhere, as I am concerned that it could be a bit chunky. But it is certainly classy looking. May have to see if I can track one down somewhere so I can size it up.
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I don't think you will find one, Dell released the Venue Pro via Dell.com, buymobilephones obviously bought a bulk of these and is selling them with contracts.
My best advice to you would be to phone BuyMobilePhones and talk about their cancellation policy. I'm fairly sure they need to give 14 days to return the device under far distance regulations, confirm this with them. Then, go and order the phone. Use it, see what you think and if it's for you.
If not, send it back and cancel the contract. Although, I'm fairly certain you will have found your new phone
Edit: Also, if you're willing to consider o2, they have a pretty good deal on the HD7, compared to o2's contracts anyway:
http://www.buymobilephones.net/mobile-phones/HTC/HTC-HD7/O2/O2-25-(24mths)-Free-Internet/7479785
I've used this site before and didn't have any problems btw.

SilentBob said:
I had been eagerly following WP7 news in the run up to release, and despite there being several areas that narked me, I really liked the look of it. Anyway, those areas that were/are a problem will no doubt get dealt with in future updates.
So, I am now pretty much at the end of my current contract and was getting quite excited about the prospect of getting a shiny new WP7. I have been into the O2 shop with my wife to have a play with the HD7 (they are the only shop that have real working handsets for you to try). We BOTH love it. And by it, I mean both the WP7 OS and the device itself. This is where the problems begin... network exclusivity.
O2 have the HD7 (16GB).
Orange have the HTC Mozart (8GB)
Vodaphone have the HTC Trophy (8GB)
and I believe that the Samsung Omnia 7 (8GB) & LG Optimus 7 (8GB) are available on various networks.
I have had HTC Windows based phones since the original SPV. I both really like & trust HTC devices. The Samsung looks and feels cheap & tacky. The LG is just plain ugly. The HTC Trophy & Mozart only have 8GB storage and are both too small for what we want. So the only option for us is the HD7 and we both love it!!!
So, no problem then? Think again. O2 exclusivity is the problem. I cannot use either O2 or Vodafone as both networks have sub-standard coverage where I live. To the extent where it is a real no go. On top of that, as there is no competition for this handset, O2 just do not offer a good tariff/ handset price deal. I will not spend over £35 a month, but may consider spending a bit (but not a small fortune) on the handset. I must also have reasonable data allowance. In fact, WP7 demands this too. 500MB? Just doesn't cut it anymore.
Long story short, as a result I now have to turn to Android and the HTC Desire HD, which is available from all networks on some really competitive deals. This is a real blow considering how much I have been looking forward to WP7.
I just hope that there aren't hundreds of thousands of other people who have had to make the same decision. I hope that a couple of years down the line that WP7 is going strong & that there will be a good variety of handsets available on all networks, so as to give the consumer real choice, and to allow me to finally get the WP7 handset I want on the network of my choice.
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if android is an option, I'd wait a couple more months. Lots of android devices being released with tegra 2 processors that should finally smooth android out (maybe).

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Like I said, I don't know about the actual DesireHD, but my HD2 with DesireHD is. And I do have an HD7 to compare it to.
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It jas worse hardware than a desire hd and I installed the nand android yesterday to try it out. No, doesnt even compare. And it still had a crappy battery.
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Worth it to get a WP7 device right now? Is this a good deal on the DVP?

Is it worth it to get a WP7 device at this moment in time? Are there any new phones I should be looking at? I don't want to get the DVP then feel like an android user when a new better phone comes out next week.
If it is worth it to buy a WP7 device right now, then tell me, is this a good deal? My samsung vibrant for a venue pro plus 100 bucks on my end. I see the vibrant go used on craigslist/ebay for 300 bucks, and he wants me to put 100 also, so couldn't I just sell my phone and then I would have 400 bucks, 50 dollars more and I have a brand new Venue Pro. So tell me, is this a good deal or not?
Also, I found out that my TMobile account doesn't have a contract (I didn't set it up, parents did). Should I jump ship to AT&T for their WP7 devices? Thanks!

nickdog670 said:
Is it worth it to get a WP7 device at this moment in time? Are there any new phones I should be looking at? I don't want to get the DVP then feel like an android user when a new better phone comes out next week.
If it is worth it to buy a WP7 device right now, then tell me, is this a good deal? My samsung vibrant for a venue pro plus 100 bucks on my end. I see the vibrant go used on craigslist/ebay for 300 bucks, and he wants me to put 100 also, so couldn't I just sell my phone and then I would have 400 bucks, 50 dollars more and I have a brand new Venue Pro. So tell me, is this a good deal or not?
Also, I found out that my TMobile account doesn't have a contract (I didn't set it up, parents did). Should I jump ship to AT&T for their WP7 devices? Thanks!
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You see them listed on CL for 300, they typically go between 180 and 230 before they sell in most cases. A brand new one can usually be whittled down to 250. Also, what is the memory on the DVP? If it's 16 gigs then those are 500. There's factors that come into play but it's near impossible to sell a vibrant on Craigslist for 300... They're pretty much last gen now...

I was saying 300 bucks on CL and ebay because that's what the guy I am dealing with is telling me. Rather have him think they go for 300$ and have me pay 100$ then have him think they go for 180$ and have me pay 320$, right? haha.

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I was saying 300 bucks on CL and ebay because that's what the guy I am dealing with is telling me. Rather have him think they go for 300$ and have me pay 100$ then have him think they go for 180$ and have me pay 320$, right? haha.
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Definitely agreed. Yeah though, it's a great deal. The DVP is a definite upgrade and is currently the best of all the WP7 line-up.

Great thanks!
Should I wait until the new Dell WP7 phone 'Wrigley' that is supposed to come out in mid april? The only different thing I see on it is the 8mp camera, the leaked timeline didnt specify any other differences.

nickdog670 said:
Great thanks!
Should I wait until the new Dell WP7 phone 'Wrigley' that is supposed to come out in mid april? The only different thing I see on it is the 8mp camera, the leaked timeline didnt specify any other differences.
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Meh, I'm getting both personally. You can wait but being stuck with a vibrant for however long (and dell is known for product delays) is pretty much self-mutilation.

nickdog670 said:
Great thanks!
Should I wait until the new Dell WP7 phone 'Wrigley' that is supposed to come out in mid april? The only different thing I see on it is the 8mp camera, the leaked timeline didnt specify any other differences.
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Before you buy the Venue Pro or any other Dell WP7 device take a look at the Dell Venue Pro forum http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=&f=799. The device is not problem free and if you get one of the flaky devices you will be tearing your hair out. If your device runs fine you will be on cloud 9. For most of us current users, we are somewhere in between. I wouldnt use any other current WP7 device, but just FYI.

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Before you buy the Venue Pro or any other Dell WP7 device take a look at the Dell Venue Pro forum http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=&f=799. The device is not problem free and if you get one of the flaky devices you will be tearing your hair out. If your device runs fine you will be on cloud 9. For most of us current users, we are somewhere in between. I wouldnt use any other current WP7 device, but just FYI.
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Thanks for that information. This is a really hard decision since WP7 is fairly new.

Take the plunge. Honestly also it doesn't look like any new super phones are coming out anytime soon so you shouldn't be worried about your phone becoming outdated relatively soon.
Oh and the DVP is one sexy device, when it works. Like others said, be aware of its problems. Also on jumping ship to AT&T, I don't think I would. I have their flagship WP7 device, the Samsung Focus, and it drives me crazy as a phone. Feels really cheap which does not mix with my gadget perfection OCD, heck if you press hard enough on it on certain parts of the phone you can hear the plastic creak!
So I say join us in the WP7 pool, the waters just fine.

Deals on a DVP?

Anybody know of any good deals on a DVP for T-Mobile USA? Looked on Wirefly and Dell Store, but they're all priced at $99 with a new 2 year contract, which I don't mind. I see the HD7 going for free on Wirefly! Anybody see something similar?

The DVP is 1000x better than the HD7 coming from someone who owns both. Sadly, you pay for the better quality.

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The DVP is 1000x better than the HD7 coming from someone who owns both. Sadly, you pay for the better quality.
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Actually, it ain't for me. Personally the DVP is nothing special and my HD7 is much better, to me. Can't stand slide out keyboards, but my wife wants one so I'm looking.

Eh, I'm not big on the keyboard either. More the ergonomic way it sits in your hand, laser etched backing, AMOLED curved gorilla glass screen, and just the overall build quality. It even loads apps faster. Truly an awesome device.

Well, I've used em both, and like I said, nothing special to me, especially the AMOLED screen. Don't like it on my Omnia II and I sure wouldn't like it on my HD7. I don't mind that my HD7 might not be the best in every category to everyone though; it does what I need pretty damn well and that's good enough for me. Big screen, kickstand, and everything else every other WP7 does. MicroSD card might make it slower than the NAND WP7 devices, but an extra half second don't bother me. In any event, don't plan to keep it long; as soon as the Nokia WP7 devices start rolling out I'll probably pick the best of the bunch and grab it. But anyhow, I guess I'll just get the DVP for my wife at that price then. Thanks for the help...

No prob, sorry, I'm always trying to sale the DVP off just because I love the phone so much though I'm half certain I'll be going nokia WP7 once they're out. In any case sorry there's no better deals.

lol yeah, I can tell you like it man It's good to be enthusiastic about something you really like and believe in though. Applying that skill in business gets you places quick...Glad we're on the same boat; I love my HD7, but I gotta believe that there's a better phone waiting for me in the second wave of handsets...My wife isn't really too happy about moving on from her Blackberry, but if she likes th DVP half as much as you do I'll be happy.

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lol yeah, I can tell you like it man It's good to be enthusiastic about something you really like and believe in though. Applying that skill in business gets you places quick...Glad we're on the same boat; I love my HD7, but I gotta believe that there's a better phone waiting for me in the second wave of handsets...My wife isn't really too happy about moving on from her Blackberry, but if she likes th DVP half as much as you do I'll be happy.
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There are some bad seeds but living within a mile of Dell and knowing a ton of the staff I can tell you for the most part they're blown way out of proportion. Most devices issued now have 0 issues whatsoever. It's a great step up from the blackberry, my wife dropped her blackberry for one and stopped missing it about 30 seconds later.