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How do I get over the loss of my LED Flashlight?

My mind is made up, I need this phone. And I need it as soon as it hits US Shores (well maybe not immediately, a month after the launch it usually shows up online for 50 bucks.)
But what will I do about one of the best features on my Touch Pro? The Flash!! I was just using it now as I was checking out the storm outside - without thinking!! Hit the PTT button, nueLight pops open, smash the bright button, and I'm good to go.
So... possible to install a flash onto the Touch Pro 2? Like maybe something mechanical that just lives on the back of the phone? Or some kind of handheld keychain light that is close to the power of the Touch Pro's LED Light?
I'm really upset by this one. More upset than losing the Front Facing Camera in the US. My only hope is AT&T puts it in like they do with the keyboard and PTT button (yeah not gonna happen I know)
*cries*

you can use one of the ~100 display -light applications out there...
displaying a white screen, at maximum brightness...

I too will miss the flashlight aspect, but for taking pictures it doesn't do jack.

i don't know guys. we know that HTC is playing us by removing these features. I've actually been playing close attention to acer m900 reviews on pocketnow.com because it has basically the same or better specs than the touch pro 2, and it had the U.S. 3G bands, and its cheaper to buy off of clove right now. I hated e-ten products, so I'm curious to see if Acer made e-ten any better. The only scarey thing is leaving wonderful supportive arms of xda-dev.

doctajay said:
i don't know guys. we know that HTC is playing us by removing these features. I've actually been playing close attention to acer m900 reviews on pocketnow.com because it has basically the same or better specs than the touch pro 2, and it had the U.S. 3G bands, and its cheaper to buy off of clove right now. I hated e-ten products, so I'm curious to see if Acer made e-ten any better. The only scarey thing is leaving wonderful supportive arms of xda-dev.
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It's an interesting device, especially the fingerprint scanner (/dpad/mouse ). Pocketnow noted the cheap feel of the construction (thank you eten) their unboxing and hardware tour (new this morning), and despite their early opinion, I'm pretty sure I'm going to like the TP2's keyboard better (use Fn to get comma and period ). And of course, no TF3D. This will be my first winmo, and TF3D is the bait in the trap. It's a dealbreaker for me.
But I don't plan on buying a TP2 on day 1, I plan on waiting for a price decrease, so it's to my benefit if other TP2 lovers jump ship for the competition as it will put more price pressure on HTC.

thehyecircus said:
So... possible to install a flash onto the Touch Pro 2? Like maybe something mechanical that just lives on the back of the phone? Or some kind of handheld keychain light that is close to the power of the Touch Pro's LED Light?
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This may be just what you're looking for:
http://www.phonephlash.com/meet.html
Never tried, but found it when I was considering getting a touch hd. Good luck.

Heh, that's a unique item. I wonder if I could... fit it under the case somehow...
And yeah, I wouldn't trust a non-HTC smartphone at this rate unless it's the iPhone, and I can't use a phone without a keyboard or multitasking. XDA is also such a great, practically life saving group that I couldn't imagine what it would be like to be sitting blindly in Windows Mobile world, wondering why the hell my phone is so slow.
<3 XDA

thehyecircus said:
(well maybe not immediately, a month after the launch it usually shows up online for 50 bucks.)
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uhhh. 50 dollars? iiiii think not. look at the G1, its not even down from 150. oh, nevermind, its 149.99. My point being, i highly doubt the TP2 will sell for 50 after a month, even with a contract. not in the US, anyway, idk about other countries. but, i think youre dreaming a little. Start saving your money! i know i am. :].

josh_prayyforplagues said:
uhhh. 50 dollars? iiiii think not. look at the G1, its not even down from 150. oh, nevermind, its 149.99. My point being, i highly doubt the TP2 will sell for 50 after a month, even with a contract. not in the US, anyway, idk about other countries. but, i think youre dreaming a little. Start saving your money! i know i am. :].
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I'm prepared to wait 6-12 months , but I'm hopeful that because the TP2 is releasing right on the cusp of a technology hop--with the snapdragon pushing the speed limit quite a bit, and with a number of direct competitors like the m900 and n97 and x2 and with a lot of similar buns in other ovens--the TP2 won't take as long to succomb to price pressures. The only problem is, it's an incredible phone, so if there's any justice in the world for HTC, the price should start climb after launch, not fall. I'm anti-justice for this particular round.
$50 is pie in the sky, but I assume he was going for hyperbole. I imagine Amazon will have it down at least $100 off whatever the initial 2 year contract price starts out as within 6 months. In a year, it might well drop within spitting distance of $150 total--where the Fuze was last I checked.
I actually plan on going prepaid, so I have no intention of signing a new contract. So a lot of those price drops won't help me. Still I'm hoping it debuts w/o contract at an even $700 (around what Clove charges) and drops to $550-600 in 6 months or less.

My last phone was the TP1 and I loved the flashlight. Two weeks ago I bought the TP2 and never noticed the lack of flashlight. Today I tried to make a picture in the dark and couldn't find the flashlight option, now I know why

Can't Decide: HTC HD vs HTC Diamond 2 vs HTC Pro 2 vs HTC Hero?? stunno?

I cannot for the life of me decide which HTC phone to buy, previously I've had the following:
O2 XDA - Decent at the time
Blackjack II (Samsung) - decent phone
HTC TyTN II - Awesome business platform but too bulky
Nokia E71 - Best of the lot but hated Symbian OS (missed Win Mobile)
I want to buy one of the new HTC phones but I cannot for the life of me decide which one, it needs to last me a good 18 months and something I'll settle with and enjoy everyday I use it, stuff I'll be doing with it:
1. Emails - Googlemail, Microsoft Exchange, Hotmail
2. SMS - Will really need an unlimited SMS contract
3. MMS
4. Decent Facebook/Twitter/LinkedIn integration
5. Opera browser
6. Windows Mobile 6.5 (looks great)
7. Live messenger
8. Movies
9. MP3/Music
10. PDF's/Docs/Powerpoint (view only, not much editing)
11. Remote Desktop/Putty in worst case scenario
12. Shared internet
Ok what do you guys think?
Stunno I know you asked in another thread about the TP2, what do you think about it honestly now the novelty has worn off (if it has!)?
I cant imagine the Diamond 2 being up to the task of loads of typing, but I really like the look of it, but the more I look at what I need the TP2 ticks every single one of those boxes.
At the same time I'm loving the look of the HTC Hero (android) and would wait for that if it could also tick the above!
Damn this is hard to choose.
Also what the best place to get this phone in the UK? I was thinking MPD, is it worth phoning Vodafone after I have bought one to try to improve the contract? (I think some of you guys have done it)
But ultimately which damn phone should I buy! lol cheers
Gonna get one ordered tonight hopefully if I can decide.

Doubt you'll get any bad feedback in here about the Rhodium.
As far as I can tell everyone is extremely happy with theirs so far (par the odd faulty unit owners )
By far the best HTC Device I've ever owned (Par my Uni but it's a very close call)
Read through Shingers thread (if you haven't allready), it really is a stunningly impressive work of art, the hardware and OS integration is a first for HTC, the stock Rom is amazing, the screen is bright, vibrant and crystal clear, the keyboard has nicely spaced well sized keys (although not as good as Unis) and the tilt function feels much more solid than the Kaiser.
Forget the Topaz, the Rhodium blows it away
Cheers,
Beasty

I cannot make your decisions for you but my thoughts so far are:
Looking back over my Winmo phones, the one that I remember most fondly is the Wizard (Tmobile Vario). I loved that phone! Don't know why, it was big heavy and slow, but it didn't seem to matter at the time (I was gutted when I dropped it on a concrete floor and shattered the screen)
The TP2 is better in every way than the Wizard, and is the best Winmo phone that I have used, although it isn't perfect yet. I have a Vodafone branded phone and have had a few niggles due to the branding, or rather due to the removal of the branding. Oh and I have other niggle, my email always shows a new email even when there isn't one!
My only criticism would be that it is BIG! Which may be just because I have upgraded from a Diamond, which was tiny. If they could get the screen, keyboard and battery life in the Diamond's form factor I would sell one of my kids for it! (Actually I wouldn't. It would take two of them to get the phone )
I have only tried a few of the applications/uses that you have listed
1. Email, Exchange, Gmail work perfectly
8. Divx TV episodes work fine with Coreplayer
9. Only used the TF3D player and have had no problems at all (I don't mind the stock headphones, I must have funny shaped ears)
I've had a play on the G1 and am not a fan of the OS, yet, it seems thrown together somehow. But then again I'm not a great fan of Linux either for similar reasons
I think my Voda contract worked out cheaper than MPD (although I have the dreaded branding)
My advice?
Go to a Vodafone shop and try one! If you can live with the size then this seems to be the best phone out there at the moment

Really interesting question....
I would add, if you are LUCKY enough to find a shop that has a TP2. I went looking today, and
a) VF Business Centre: No demos, only to order.
b)Orange: No Stock yet although not discrimination tween business and personal customer.
c) T-Mobile - Nothing yet; End of July.
I am also looking for a professional device with very similar reqs to yours. I was looking at the Tytyn11, but took too long over it and so the TP2 seems a logical choice. However it is VERY NEW and it still has s/w compatibility issues like LogMeIn support etc. I have heard some of the issues are related to the high res screen. However, having talked to a number of people the TP2 does seem to be a de facto business device so I am thinking that if I am going to commit to a 24 month contract then I am better off doing it with something like the TP2 which I can grow into as the problems get solved rather than get something that will be obsolete asap.
I have also looked at MPD and fine and dandy if you want a unbranded phone, but the deal is not as good as VF's IMO especially when quidco included. Also I question whether I would get a replacement mobile as quickly from HTC as VF. Perhaps I would ......
And finally the keyboard.... If you need this then that rules out a lot of options. I do.
Just thoughts, and best of luck matey...
Back to my glass of wine in the courtyard enjoying the warm sun go down !!!
Sam

Thanks all
Stunno, appreciate you replying to my questions.
I'm still undecided, I would love to buy the TP2 and get it tomorrow but I'm still not sure, the keyboard is a big deal - I think I'd definately use it heavily, I did with my old TyTN 2.
Yesterday I went to two different Voda shops (business) and none had it in stock, one girl didnt even know what it was (lol).
Right now I'm down to these:
1. iPhone 3GS - bit of a gimmick though and too expensive, but I got to try it and although the functionality looks quite thin (I had an Ipod Touch so the interface novelty wore off) its a nice phone, dont think it will suit my needs.
2. HTC Hero - I like android and what its trying to achieve, I also love Linux (my job) but I do NOT like the way the device is shaped - nightmare in the pocket.
3. HTC Diamond 2 - The more I look at the reviews the more this phone is top of my list, BUT the only issue is the touch keypad, I just think it wont be good enough, I dont know.
4. Samsung Omnia HD - Amazing phone, but not a big fan of Symbian, was almost tempted to buy this until I read about the codec issues with the sound recording and Samsung stance on fixing it.
5. Samsung Omnia Pro - ????
Decisions decisions, so many damn phones!
Final question, did anybody here order from MPD on a Friday (contract) and get the phone saturday???

SuperAdvan said:
Thanks all
Stunno, appreciate you replying to my questions.
I'm still undecided, I would love to buy the TP2 and get it tomorrow but I'm still not sure, the keyboard is a big deal - I think I'd definately use it heavily, I did with my old TyTN 2.
Yesterday I went to two different Voda shops (business) and none had it in stock, one girl didnt even know what it was (lol).
Right now I'm down to these:
1. iPhone 3GS - bit of a gimmick though and too expensive, but I got to try it and although the functionality looks quite thin (I had an Ipod Touch so the interface novelty wore off) its a nice phone, dont think it will suit my needs.
2. HTC Hero - I like android and what its trying to achieve, I also love Linux (my job) but I do NOT like the way the device is shaped - nightmare in the pocket.
3. HTC Diamond 2 - The more I look at the reviews the more this phone is top of my list, BUT the only issue is the touch keypad, I just think it wont be good enough, I dont know.
4. Samsung Omnia HD - Amazing phone, but not a big fan of Symbian, was almost tempted to buy this until I read about the codec issues with the sound recording and Samsung stance on fixing it.
5. Samsung Omnia Pro - ????
Decisions decisions, so many damn phones!
Final question, did anybody here order from MPD on a Friday (contract) and get the phone saturday???
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Just to add to the mix - Omnia 2 has started to get some coverage...

Yeah I noticed that too mate, the Omnia Pro?
Coming July, but still, there are many many bugs with the HD version (it maybe Symbian based but...) which puts me off.
I think I am going for the TP2, though my brain is telling me to wait a month or two.

without being device specific what I see is the need for you to do a lot of typing so i would recommend something with a great keyboard. Rhodium certainly has that

SamJolly said:
a) VF Business Centre: No demos, only to order.
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To order, yes, but if you call up their upgrade line and be doubtful at them, they'll tell you that if you're not happy with it you can send it back within 7 days with no quibbles... That might only be relevant to current customers mind, and distance selling regs don't apply if you go to a store. I called them up just over a week ago since I was out of contract and had one delivered the next day. A friend got the HTC Magic on the same deal the same day, and another friend has an iPhone so we were able to compare the three phones over a number of days of real use. I kept the TP2... It works well enough, there are a couple of very minor niggles, but most of those are to do with Windows Mobile (and being new to it so expecting things to work in a slightly different way) rather than the phone itself.
Steve.

SuperAdvan said:
Thanks all
Stunno, appreciate you replying to my questions.
I'm still undecided, I would love to buy the TP2 and get it tomorrow but I'm still not sure, the keyboard is a big deal - I think I'd definately use it heavily, I did with my old TyTN 2.
Yesterday I went to two different Voda shops (business) and none had it in stock, one girl didnt even know what it was (lol).
Right now I'm down to these:
1. iPhone 3GS - bit of a gimmick though and too expensive, but I got to try it and although the functionality looks quite thin (I had an Ipod Touch so the interface novelty wore off) its a nice phone, dont think it will suit my needs.
2. HTC Hero - I like android and what its trying to achieve, I also love Linux (my job) but I do NOT like the way the device is shaped - nightmare in the pocket.
3. HTC Diamond 2 - The more I look at the reviews the more this phone is top of my list, BUT the only issue is the touch keypad, I just think it wont be good enough, I dont know.
4. Samsung Omnia HD - Amazing phone, but not a big fan of Symbian, was almost tempted to buy this until I read about the codec issues with the sound recording and Samsung stance on fixing it.
5. Samsung Omnia Pro - ????
Decisions decisions, so many damn phones!
Final question, did anybody here order from MPD on a Friday (contract) and get the phone saturday???
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You don't mention the N97 for some reason. When I was deciding on my upgrade I ended up with a straight choice between the TP2 and the N97 as I had decided that a keyboard was a must.
The TP2 won out because of several points WM being the most obvious (I've had loads of WM phones and am used to it) and Tomtom being the clincher ( I have a shockingly bad sense of direction which, incidentally, has been made much worse by Tomtom but at least I don't get lost now)
If it is down to TP2 v TD2 then it is simply a choice between keyboard v size
There are loads of shops with the TD2 in stock. Give it a go
EDIT: Vodafone gave me 7 days to return the phone if I didn't like it. IIRC Order by 2pm for delivery next day

I just received my TP2 yesterday. I brought it from MPD on payg voda which was £453 - it comes unlocked and unbranded so I chucked my o2 sim right in.
I as well as many others had a tough choise to make - I research everything to death before I buy them, and I have to say on most occasions when I do commit and buy, its a disappointment.
However now using the TP2 it has exceeded all my expectations from all reviews I read and video's I watched (probably 100+).
The stock rom is fantastic, very fluid, very productive and hides nearly all the standard windows mobile interface (only having to see it when using explorer).
I don't expect I can change your mind by this post, but what I will say is that once you actually have it in your hand you will understand why everyone here rants on about it. I compared it to my friends HD last night and the rom beats the HD rom in terms of speed and features, and the quality of the product itself is astounding.
Couple this with the future release of WM6.5, flash 10 for WM in Oct (beta), and HTC Sense release - you have a phone that should last you 18 months - after all, I don't think we will see WM7 on phones till the end of next year, so then is when you can upgrade again.
I haven't tried the TD2 or Samsung HD i900 (or whatever they called it now), but picking between this and the TD2 comes down whether you need a keyboard, or if you like things as small and compact as possible.
Let us know how you get on - keep trying to find a place to try it out

Sounds good - I am very tempted to just pay out for the SIM free as you did since most of the contracts on there incurr extra charge for daily surfing, my existing T-Mobile contract is up for renewal and does NOT incurr extra surfing charges, its also only £22!
I am tempted to renew it and see if I can get a better deal on unlimited texts and buy the phone SIM free from MPD or Expansys.

Definately the Rhodium... or wait for the Omnia Pro

SuperAdvan said:
Sounds good - I am very tempted to just pay out for the SIM free as you did since most of the contracts on there incurr extra charge for daily surfing, my existing T-Mobile contract is up for renewal and does NOT incurr extra surfing charges, its also only £22!
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£450 or so for an unlocked handset equates to a lot of surfing!
My phone was free on 30/month (ex VAT), including 500Mb data which should be enough for my needs
Only downside is a 24 month contract
Steve.

i think htc hd is the best choice for know it has thin body 3.5 mm audio jack good battery bigger screen than all

No WP7 for me thanks to network exclusives :(

I had been eagerly following WP7 news in the run up to release, and despite there being several areas that narked me, I really liked the look of it. Anyway, those areas that were/are a problem will no doubt get dealt with in future updates.
So, I am now pretty much at the end of my current contract and was getting quite excited about the prospect of getting a shiny new WP7. I have been into the O2 shop with my wife to have a play with the HD7 (they are the only shop that have real working handsets for you to try). We BOTH love it. And by it, I mean both the WP7 OS and the device itself. This is where the problems begin... network exclusivity.
O2 have the HD7 (16GB).
Orange have the HTC Mozart (8GB)
Vodaphone have the HTC Trophy (8GB)
and I believe that the Samsung Omnia 7 (8GB) & LG Optimus 7 (8GB) are available on various networks.
I have had HTC Windows based phones since the original SPV. I both really like & trust HTC devices. The Samsung looks and feels cheap & tacky. The LG is just plain ugly. The HTC Trophy & Mozart only have 8GB storage and are both too small for what we want. So the only option for us is the HD7 and we both love it!!!
So, no problem then? Think again. O2 exclusivity is the problem. I cannot use either O2 or Vodafone as both networks have sub-standard coverage where I live. To the extent where it is a real no go. On top of that, as there is no competition for this handset, O2 just do not offer a good tariff/ handset price deal. I will not spend over £35 a month, but may consider spending a bit (but not a small fortune) on the handset. I must also have reasonable data allowance. In fact, WP7 demands this too. 500MB? Just doesn't cut it anymore.
Long story short, as a result I now have to turn to Android and the HTC Desire HD, which is available from all networks on some really competitive deals. This is a real blow considering how much I have been looking forward to WP7.
I just hope that there aren't hundreds of thousands of other people who have had to make the same decision. I hope that a couple of years down the line that WP7 is going strong & that there will be a good variety of handsets available on all networks, so as to give the consumer real choice, and to allow me to finally get the WP7 handset I want on the network of my choice.

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I had been eagerly following WP7 news in the run up to release, and despite there being several areas that narked me, I really liked the look of it. Anyway, those areas that were/are a problem will no doubt get dealt with in future updates.
So, I am now pretty much at the end of my current contract and was getting quite excited about the prospect of getting a shiny new WP7. I have been into the O2 shop with my wife to have a play with the HD7 (they are the only shop that have real working handsets for you to try). We BOTH love it. And by it, I mean both the WP7 OS and the device itself. This is where the problems begin... network exclusivity.
O2 have the HD7 (16GB).
Orange have the HTC Mozart (8GB)
Vodaphone have the HTC Trophy (8GB)
and I believe that the Samsung Omnia 7 (8GB) & LG Optimus 7 (8GB) are available on various networks.
I have had HTC Windows based phones since the original SPV. I both really like & trust HTC devices. The Samsung looks and feels cheap & tacky. The LG is just plain ugly. The HTC Trophy & Mozart only have 8GB storage and are both too small for what we want. So the only option for us is the HD7 and we both love it!!!
So, no problem then? Think again. O2 exclusivity is the problem. I cannot use either O2 or Vodafone as both networks have sub-standard coverage where I live. To the extent where it is a real no go. On top of that, as there is no competition for this handset, O2 just do not offer a good tariff/ handset price deal. I will not spend over £35 a month, but may consider spending a bit (but not a small fortune) on the handset. I must also have reasonable data allowance. In fact, WP7 demands this too. 500MB? Just doesn't cut it anymore.
Long story short, as a result I now have to turn to Android and the HTC Desire HD, which is available from all networks on some really competitive deals. This is a real blow considering how much I have been looking forward to WP7.
I just hope that there aren't hundreds of thousands of other people who have had to make the same decision. I hope that a couple of years down the line that WP7 is going strong & that there will be a good variety of handsets available on all networks, so as to give the consumer real choice, and to allow me to finally get the WP7 handset I want on the network of my choice.
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Actually, from my experience with DesireHD on my HD2, I would say you are coming out of it on top by going with the DesireHD. This is an Android version like no other. It's gorgeous and offers excellent customization features like the skins and such. Plus the actual DesireHD hardware is also purely gorgeous.
You may think you are losing by not being able to go with WP7, but I see it the other way. You get so many features with DesireHD that WP7 doesn't have. And if the actual DesireHD UI is anything like the HD2 DesireHD ROM, the UI is silky smooth and a luscious. It's as smooth as WP7.

I know this is not what you want to hear but the HD7 is only £360 on Pay&Go I bought it on pay & go and now use my T-Mobile sim in it.
You'd be looking at a £30 a month contract anyway so that's the equivalent of 1 year so you'd save £360 which can be used to get a cheap sim only deal.

MartyLK said:
Actually, from my experience with DesireHD on my HD2, I would say you are coming out of it on top by going with the DesireHD. This is an Android version like no other. It's gorgeous and offers excellent customization features like the skins and such. Plus the actual DesireHD hardware is also purely gorgeous.
You may think you are losing by not being able to go with WP7, but I see it the other way. You get so many features with DesireHD that WP7 doesn't have. And if the actual DesireHD UI is anything like the HD2 DesireHD ROM, the UI is silky smooth and a luscious. It's as smooth as WP7.
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No... it isn't. Don't get me wrong though, the Desire HD is a very capable phone and with Sense 2.5 it provides what I think is the best Android experience but it isn't quite as smooth as WP7 or iOS yet.

paperclips said:
No... it isn't. Don't get me wrong though, the Desire HD is a very capable phone and with Sense 2.5 it provides what I think is the best Android experience but it isn't quite as smooth as WP7 or iOS yet.
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Like I said, I don't know about the actual DesireHD, but my HD2 with DesireHD is. And I do have an HD7 to compare it to.

MartyLK said:
Actually, from my experience with DesireHD on my HD2, I would say you are coming out of it on top by going with the DesireHD. This is an Android version like no other. It's gorgeous and offers excellent customization features like the skins and such. Plus the actual DesireHD hardware is also purely gorgeous.
You may think you are losing by not being able to go with WP7, but I see it the other way. You get so many features with DesireHD that WP7 doesn't have. And if the actual DesireHD UI is anything like the HD2 DesireHD ROM, the UI is silky smooth and a luscious. It's as smooth as WP7.
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TBH, I have been keeping an eye on what's happening with Android too. You know, just in case WP7 completely failed. I understand it is better for customisation (which I am used to on WM). However, I get the feeling that with WP7 I wouldn't feel the need to customise beyond wallpaper & ringtone. It looks like it just works so well.
I realise how similar the hardware of the HD7 & Desire HD are, hence why this seems to be the sensible alternative. The DHD even has some advantage, such as Alu-body & SLCD screen.
It seems that (unless you are loaded) there always has to be compromise. In this case:
- Handset/hardware
- Network (and therefore service)
- O/S
And unfortunately it seems that O/S is the one to give. Although, as you said, I am sure it won't be a disappointing experience.

brummiesteven said:
I know this is not what you want to hear but the HD7 is only £360 on Pay&Go I bought it on pay & go and now use my T-Mobile sim in it.
You'd be looking at a £30 a month contract anyway so that's the equivalent of 1 year so you'd save £360 which can be used to get a cheap sim only deal.
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I had considered this...
but only for a couple of seconds.
Unfortunately I do not have the £700+ needed to buy one for me & one for the wife outright. Hence why there always has to be compromise somewhere.

paperclips said:
No... it isn't. Don't get me wrong though, the Desire HD is a very capable phone and with Sense 2.5 it provides what I think is the best Android experience but it isn't quite as smooth as WP7 or iOS yet.
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Perhaps what it needs is a custom ROM to get the best experience? But, despite not having any experience, I certainly feel that HTC are doing some good stuff with Android. Just as they did with WM. It is a shame though, 'cos the short while I spent playing with WP7 was pretty amazing.
Damned network exclusives! That's exactly why I ended up back on Orange (for the original HTC Touch HD).

SilentBob said:
I had considered this...
but only for a couple of seconds.
Unfortunately I do not have the £700+ needed to buy one for me & one for the wife outright. Hence why there always has to be compromise somewhere.
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Another option is the HTC Mozart. Like the HD7, the SD Card in the Mozart can be replaced.

brummiesteven said:
Another option is the HTC Mozart. Like the HD7, the SD Card in the Mozart can be replaced.
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Yeah, I have looked at that. It is good looking & very well built, but...
- After trying out the HD7, the screen just seems too small (hard to think that 2.8" was the norm just a couple of years back).
- The storage upgrade would immediately invalidate the warranty.

SilentBob said:
Yeah, I have looked at that. It is good looking & very well built, but...
- After trying out the HD7, the screen just seems too small (hard to think that 2.8" was the norm just a couple of years back).
- The storage upgrade would immediately invalidate the warranty.
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I would assume it is possible, albeit tricky, to do it without voiding the warranty. If it broke you'd just pop back the original SD card in.
It does suck, there should be more with 16gb storage or even 32gb. The Samsung Omnia 7 is an awesome phone btw and far better than any of the HTCs (although it's 8gb anyway).
I don't know what else to suggest though when is your contract up? If it's not for a while you could wait a bit for the Dell Venue Pro. 4" screen, Micro SD Card slot, Gorilla Glass. Shouldn't be too long for that.
Edit: Turns out you don't have to wait, buymobilephones has it http://www.buymobilephones.net/mobile-phones/Dell/Dell-Venue-Pro/108,56273
I would seriously consider getting that phone, I wanted it but it was delayed so just went with the HD7

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I don't know what else to suggest though when is your contract up? If it's not for a while you could wait a bit for the Dell Venue Pro. 4" screen, Micro SD Card slot, Gorilla Glass. Shouldn't be too long for that.
Edit: Turns out you don't have to wait, buymobilephones has it http://www.buymobilephones.net/mobile-phones/Dell/Dell-Venue-Pro/108,56273
I would seriously consider getting that phone, I wanted it but it was delayed so just went with the HD7
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Now that is interesting! I do really like the look of that phone. It would be nice if I could see it in person somewhere, as I am concerned that it could be a bit chunky. But it is certainly classy looking. May have to see if I can track one down somewhere so I can size it up.

Being limited by carrier coverage and subsidies is a pretty lousy situation, but all we can do about it is make the best of it. Due to the coverage where I live, I've signed my life away to AT&T, and thus was able to get the Samsung Focus, which I enjoy very much. If I had the option, though, I think that I'd have held out for the Venue Pro. +0.1" on the screen and a physical keyboard? Yes, please.
Either way, best of luck on your hunt!

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Now that is interesting! I do really like the look of that phone. It would be nice if I could see it in person somewhere, as I am concerned that it could be a bit chunky. But it is certainly classy looking. May have to see if I can track one down somewhere so I can size it up.
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I don't think you will find one, Dell released the Venue Pro via Dell.com, buymobilephones obviously bought a bulk of these and is selling them with contracts.
My best advice to you would be to phone BuyMobilePhones and talk about their cancellation policy. I'm fairly sure they need to give 14 days to return the device under far distance regulations, confirm this with them. Then, go and order the phone. Use it, see what you think and if it's for you.
If not, send it back and cancel the contract. Although, I'm fairly certain you will have found your new phone
Edit: Also, if you're willing to consider o2, they have a pretty good deal on the HD7, compared to o2's contracts anyway:
http://www.buymobilephones.net/mobile-phones/HTC/HTC-HD7/O2/O2-25-(24mths)-Free-Internet/7479785
I've used this site before and didn't have any problems btw.

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I had been eagerly following WP7 news in the run up to release, and despite there being several areas that narked me, I really liked the look of it. Anyway, those areas that were/are a problem will no doubt get dealt with in future updates.
So, I am now pretty much at the end of my current contract and was getting quite excited about the prospect of getting a shiny new WP7. I have been into the O2 shop with my wife to have a play with the HD7 (they are the only shop that have real working handsets for you to try). We BOTH love it. And by it, I mean both the WP7 OS and the device itself. This is where the problems begin... network exclusivity.
O2 have the HD7 (16GB).
Orange have the HTC Mozart (8GB)
Vodaphone have the HTC Trophy (8GB)
and I believe that the Samsung Omnia 7 (8GB) & LG Optimus 7 (8GB) are available on various networks.
I have had HTC Windows based phones since the original SPV. I both really like & trust HTC devices. The Samsung looks and feels cheap & tacky. The LG is just plain ugly. The HTC Trophy & Mozart only have 8GB storage and are both too small for what we want. So the only option for us is the HD7 and we both love it!!!
So, no problem then? Think again. O2 exclusivity is the problem. I cannot use either O2 or Vodafone as both networks have sub-standard coverage where I live. To the extent where it is a real no go. On top of that, as there is no competition for this handset, O2 just do not offer a good tariff/ handset price deal. I will not spend over £35 a month, but may consider spending a bit (but not a small fortune) on the handset. I must also have reasonable data allowance. In fact, WP7 demands this too. 500MB? Just doesn't cut it anymore.
Long story short, as a result I now have to turn to Android and the HTC Desire HD, which is available from all networks on some really competitive deals. This is a real blow considering how much I have been looking forward to WP7.
I just hope that there aren't hundreds of thousands of other people who have had to make the same decision. I hope that a couple of years down the line that WP7 is going strong & that there will be a good variety of handsets available on all networks, so as to give the consumer real choice, and to allow me to finally get the WP7 handset I want on the network of my choice.
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if android is an option, I'd wait a couple more months. Lots of android devices being released with tegra 2 processors that should finally smooth android out (maybe).

MartyLK said:
Like I said, I don't know about the actual DesireHD, but my HD2 with DesireHD is. And I do have an HD7 to compare it to.
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It jas worse hardware than a desire hd and I installed the nand android yesterday to try it out. No, doesnt even compare. And it still had a crappy battery.
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I would like to get a WP7 Device...

I currently have a MT4G with tmobile (and I like the phone...)...but I have wanted a WP7 phone since they came out, but I cannot justify spending 300$ on one .... so I was thinking 'should I get an HD2 and put WP7 on it?' but then I felt that it would be buggy and such and I would like a smooth wp7 experience...
so my question is, what options are there for me (I cannot use an upgrade, I am stuck with tmobile so I need one compatible with them [I guess, right?])...?
Thanks for your advice and help...

erebusting said:
I currently have a MT4G with tmobile (and I like the phone...)...but I have wanted a WP7 phone since they came out, but I cannot justify spending 300$ on one .... so I was thinking 'should I get an HD2 and put WP7 on it?' but then I felt that it would be buggy and such and I would like a smooth wp7 experience...
so my question is, what options are there for me (I cannot use an upgrade, I am stuck with tmobile so I need one compatible with them [I guess, right?])...?
Thanks for your advice and help...
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You are better off staying with a real WP7 device. The HD2, as good a device as it is, can't provide the whole WP7 experience permanently. You'll have to perjure yourself to get a key from MS to use the main features of WP7. And then, after each update...if the updates actually start coming...you'll have to do it all over again and likely MS will nullify the ability to use their keys.
If you start buying apps with a fake WP7, you might lose them later on. Buy an HD7 from T-Mobile or go to AT&T and snag a Focus. You won't regret it once the updates start happening...if ever. WP7 is a super smooth, super clean experience.

erebusting said:
I currently have a MT4G with tmobile (and I like the phone...)...but I have wanted a WP7 phone since they came out, but I cannot justify spending 300$ on one .... so I was thinking 'should I get an HD2 and put WP7 on it?' but then I felt that it would be buggy and such and I would like a smooth wp7 experience...
so my question is, what options are there for me (I cannot use an upgrade, I am stuck with tmobile so I need one compatible with them [I guess, right?])...?
Thanks for your advice and help...
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You can try other stores besides the retail store to see if their flexiable with the upgrade period. Wirefly, Amazon, Best Buy, Walmart, Radio Shack, Etc.

You could ask for the factory unlock from T-Mobile. Unlock the MT4G, sell it on Craiglist and use the money to buy the HD7.
You can also go on a payment plan with them and give them $15 bucks a month until you have the money to pay for a new phone.
I'm doing that right now with my HD7, but only because I have the sneaking suspicion some new phones are going to come out to blow the current crop out of the water.

lekki said:
You could ask for the factory unlock from T-Mobile. Unlock the MT4G, sell it on Craiglist and use the money to buy the HD7.
You can also go on a payment plan with them and give them $15 bucks a month until you have the money to pay for a new phone.
I'm doing that right now with my HD7, but only because I have the sneaking suspicion some new phones are going to come out to blow the current crop out of the water.
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Which is exactly why I'm saving money for one of them. These current gen phones will be "Kin'd" before too long and the good hardware will move it.

erebusting said:
I currently have a MT4G with tmobile (and I like the phone...)...but I have wanted a WP7 phone since they came out, but I cannot justify spending 300$ on one .... so I was thinking 'should I get an HD2 and put WP7 on it?' but then I felt that it would be buggy and such and I would like a smooth wp7 experience...
so my question is, what options are there for me (I cannot use an upgrade, I am stuck with tmobile so I need one compatible with them [I guess, right?])...?
Thanks for your advice and help...
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Sell your MT4g on ebay and buy the HD7 there also. Even a used MT4g is only a little cheaper than a new HD7. A lot of people are willing to trade on craigslist also.

I really don't know why you guys complain that much. In Brazil I just bought a WP7 (unsupported here yet). And I paid R$ 1.400,00. That is something about U$ 850,00.
My iPhone 4 I've paid R$ 1.800,00. Or U$ 1.125,00.
And yes, If i were you, I would buy a WP7 in a blink.

mikeeam said:
I really don't know why you guys complain that much. In Brazil I just bought a WP7 (unsupported here yet). And I paid R$ 1.400,00. That is something about U$ 850,00.
My iPhone 4 I've paid R$ 1.800,00. Or U$ 1.125,00.
And yes, If i were you, I would buy a WP7 in a blink.
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Well you have to understand, there ARE differences in economy so over here we have different options on pricing....doesn't mean that just because it costs wayy more in other locations that we should be buying them like crazy over here.... we have to think about things like that (at least I do, especially since I am not rich [yet ])...
So I am thinking of possibly getting a samsung focus (but the 3g would not work with tmobile...right?)...or the HD7... but like 'likki' said, phones are continuously upgrading so saving 15-20$ extra a month sounds pretty practical because by the time it is saved up I may not even want to get another phone (haha) or there will be better options out there....

Have you ever tried out a HD7? I think it is too big. The Trophy 7 have a perfect size screen. Not too big, nor too small.
Maybe you should try. I wouldn't buy a Samsung because of the update issues (yeah, they may have fixed, still, it was the only one with problem. I wouldn't risk).
Don't worry about the next season of WP7 handsets. Probably they don't need anything beyond our 1 GHz processor. Not for now. And I think this should last for 2 years of software updates until they need to update the hardware too.
I don't know about US 3G network. But, at least here, my Trophy works with every carrier.
And I liked the "yet" hahahah. That's the spirit! Hell yeah!

any advice? should I get an htc surround and be happy with Edge on tmobile or something? (since it may be cheaper than an HD7 ? idk)

Try ebay...
I got my HTC Surround for 180.00
It looks brand new although it had no box and not original charger. Thing works like a champ. My contract actually is up for renewal in May but i decided not to wait as i could resell it if i did not like it. I'm definately not reselling it. It's awesome!

LG Quantums all over Ebay for 180-200 dollars and they're in my opinion the third best US released device
Dell Venue Pro>Focus>Quantum
I want to like HTC's devices but their battery life is just terrible and the Surround feels like a gag phone.

Surround is pretty terrible all around. If you like big screens and you're on T-Mobile, then you have one really good choice and one decent choice.
TBQH, WP7 is so Cloud dependent that I would not want to be stuck on Edge all the time.
I can't even fathom what that experience would be like.
Edge is for Blackberries, Eseries, and Feature phones...

Ok so I have the opportunity to get the dvp or hd7 for the same price...which one should I get ? The dvp doesnt seem to have as much action in the forum ...it has less ram and no htc apps , plus its a lil bulkier....the screen size doesnt bug me becauase they are similar...
Any ideas please
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The DVP's screen is much better. The Speakers are better. The Camera is worse. It has a Physical keybaord (quite a nice one). It sitll has 512 RAM which is more than good enough. It comes in a 16 GB variant and if you're feeling Giddy you can upgrade the storage becasue it has an accessible SD Card Slot.
It tends to have better performance than the HTC phones, as well. The build quality is noticeably better.
There is no such thing as a BB Bold 9800, BTW (that's the Torch). Which Blackberry are you actually selling, asd is it a T-Mobile Branded BB?
Personally, if I was faced with that choice, I'd get the Dell.

Focus... Ignore update hocus pocus ... Its the and least expensive phone
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Download Launcher 7 for your mt4g.
Makes your android look like a w7 phone lol.
Yes I know it wont transform your phone into a full fledge w7 phone but its a good alternative and its free.
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DVP over HD7 any day... When you hold both of them you can just tell which one is better at a glance or with use... better performance, better screen, they actually have the same amount of ram, it's just generally one hell of a step up from the HD7 to the DVP.

N8ter said:
The DVP's screen is much better. The Speakers are better. The Camera is worse. It has a Physical keybaord (quite a nice one). It sitll has 512 RAM which is more than good enough. It comes in a 16 GB variant and if you're feeling Giddy you can upgrade the storage becasue it has an accessible SD Card Slot.
It tends to have better performance than the HTC phones, as well. The build quality is noticeably better.
There is no such thing as a BB Bold 9800, BTW (that's the Torch). Which Blackberry are you actually selling, asd is it a T-Mobile Branded BB?
Personally, if I was faced with that choice, I'd get the Dell.
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thanks for noticing that about my sig...lol...I will change it when I get around to it though...haha
The Robot Cow said:
Download Launcher 7 for your mt4g.
Makes your android look like a w7 phone lol.
Yes I know it wont transform your phone into a full fledge w7 phone but its a good alternative and its free.
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thanks, I tried it and it is nice -although I am more interested in the games on WP7... =) ...too bad they cant be emulated (yet... ?)
z33dev33l said:
DVP over HD7 any day... When you hold both of them you can just tell which one is better at a glance or with use... better performance, better screen, they actually have the same amount of ram, it's just generally one hell of a step up from the HD7 to the DVP.
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Thanks, I did not notice that they had the same amount of ram...some review(s) I read/watched said that it had 256? idk...
thanks for all of the advice it is really helpful...
(damn, why do all the TMobile WP7 devices have to be the ones at $300 and up...??? it is not that worth it to spend even 200 on a phone to just use edge..-i think)
its a tough decision, considering the prices and then considering the functionality / quality as well.... (although it sucks that the current wp7 devices are not very much up to par with these newer phones....namely the 'no FFC' thing bugs me)

I currently have the HTC Surround, and I have had no complaints with it. I do not understand why everyone is hating it. It has amazing speakers, feels very sturdy, 16 glorious gb's of memory, and has the same exact os as all the others. And some may say that the LCD screen is not as brilliant as the focus's AMOLED screen. But I personally like the screen.
In the end, it is up to your personal preferences.

So... Anyone went ahead and bought a Lumia 800 today?

I'm tempted just because I'm up for an upgrade but I probably won't bother yet.

thanks to nokia excellent marketing, i was also tempted, but then i realised that it just isnt worth it, not for me anyway. i have an omnia 7, and although it has twice the memory and is 400mhz faster, it still hardly he 2nd gen phone i am looking for, even worse, it STILL dosnt have a front facing camera. shameful for a 2nd gen device, especially with skype coming around..... tut tut nokia, although the marketing for it has been excellent and i hope it does really well! but i wont be conned a second time around....

i would have bought it right now if i could move my sms.

No.. I have no money

Purple11 said:
i would have bought it right now if i could move my sms.
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Maybe we gotta harass the smart folks over in the hacking forum. Seems like it'd be fairly simple to dump/load SMS in homebrew.

i won 1 last week from a dutch tech-website.
have been using it for a week now
Used to have the omnia 7 and i'm still getting used to the smaller display of the Lumia

Turns out Vodafone won't let me early upgrade until the twenty-somethingth, but as I'm still sitting on the fence it will very much depend on how much they value my loyalty (and how much they want to compensate me for perpetually screwing up my bills, because I'm on a price plan that doesn't exist???)
You've got to hand it to Nokia though, they've done a damn good job especially with the advertising, this is EXACTLY what Windows Phone needs. This must have cost them a fair whack though:
WP_000158 by andrewkeith5, on Flickr
Right in the middle of the Bullring in Birmingham...as well as prime positioning in Phones4U and a really very comprehensive campaign.
EDIT: Had I taken that shot from the other side of the centre, you could see it's right outside the Vodafone store, and the two O2 stores, although obviously anything that isn't an iPhone or Blackberry is beyond the comprehension of the O2 store employees...

i bought mine today but not in a shop rather over the phone it is currently in the ukmail depot and will be with me in 8-12 hours

These wave of phones are probably skippable if you have the first gen or you are not locked into a contract.

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Turns out Vodafone won't let me early upgrade until the twenty-somethingth, but as I'm still sitting on the fence it will very much depend on how much they value my loyalty (and how much they want to compensate me for perpetually screwing up my bills, because I'm on a price plan that doesn't exist???)
You've got to hand it to Nokia though, they've done a damn good job especially with the advertising, this is EXACTLY what Windows Phone needs. This must have cost them a fair whack though:
WP_000158 by andrewkeith5, on Flickr
Right in the middle of the Bullring in Birmingham...as well as prime positioning in Phones4U and a really very comprehensive campaign.
EDIT: Had I taken that shot from the other side of the centre, you could see it's right outside the Vodafone store, and the two O2 stores, although obviously anything that isn't an iPhone or Blackberry is beyond the comprehension of the O2 store employees...
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spot on nokias marketing is great i can go anywhere, without seeing the lumia around...this is how wp7 should have been marketed in the first place.

Purple11 said:
i would have bought it right now if i could move my sms.
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all nokia windows phone have an integrated "contat transfer" program for transfer contacts from symbian to windows phone via bluetooth
btw, the only reason for not buying a nokia lumia is the missing frontal cam IMHO.

HypeZ85 said:
all nokia windows phone have an integrated "contat transfer" program for transfer contacts from symbian to windows phone via bluetooth
btw, the only reason for not buying a nokia lumia is the missing frontal cam IMHO.
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That's still not a solution for what he wants, not sure why you answered that.
Oh and also a bigger screen is a good reason for not buying this phone, although that's not the debate here.

You know I was going to get an int'l model but I'll wait for the American version. By then the camera issues should have a firmware update and some maturation would've occurred. Elop keeps saying americans would get a different experience. If it involves FFC I'm sold. Period.

So can anyone confirm or deny if it is indeed "Funner", and if so, what on earth that means?!!
Some of the crap that comes out of marketing astounds me!
More seriously, it seems like a really nice phone from having played with it in store, but the small screen, and lack of FFC kill it for me. Hopefully they will pull their finger out and release something akin to the Ace specs that were leaked a while back.

I have had a play with one in store and I am sure this phone will appeal to the youngsters, it looks absolutely beautiful, but for me, at my age, the screen is too small, I will stick with my Titan until Nokia come out with a bigger phone. I really hope the lumia range is successful for the sake of wp7.

CAn you let me know where you got it? I am looking for an unlocked/unbranded devisce but none that i can see so far.
Thanks.

You can buy it unlocked sim-free at Phones4u for £400, how I got it, or at Carphone Warehouse for £470.

Thanks, just talked to rep from phones4u and they sais they only sell PAYG. No good for me. Checked their site and they seem to have the phone there as you say SIM free. I was going to place order now Im not sure as they stated at the side of the site that they prepare all SIM phones to be ready.
As you have one from them can you confirm that it is indeed SIM free and totally unbranded from Phones4U? if it is I will order one right now

17-apg said:
Thanks, just talked to rep from phones4u and they sais they only sell PAYG. No good for me. Checked their site and they seem to have the phone there as you say SIM free. I was going to place order now Im not sure as they stated at the side of the site that they prepare all SIM phones to be ready.
As you have one from them can you confirm that it is indeed SIM free and totally unbranded from Phones4U? if it is I will order one right now
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What about Expansys?
http://www.expansys.com/nokia-lumia-800-uk-black-16gb-224952/

399 from phones4u simfree
Really nice phone. Never used wm7. Bought it for my girl but I like it.
I even consider getting one as well buy in blue.
Am thinking about Titan, but it doesn't have Nokia all black screen...and still as big as mine desire hd
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