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AT&T fortress coming Aug 24 ... any truth?

I just read this one from htc blogger. Does anyone know if this has any truth to it? I have to know and need to get one before my Sept trip.
http://htcblogger.com/2009/07/08/htc-fortress-warhawk-to-be-released-by-att-in-august/

hmmm interesting find...
there may be some truth to this, taking into consideration the fact that another member in another thread got some information that the TP2 would be coming out 6-8 weeks after the iPhone 3G S comes out.
however, if that rumor is true, and this article as well, then that means that it got pushed back a little.
no one can really tell you if it's 100% true or not, sorry. but it seems plausible.

The touch pro 2 should come out a week or two around the time of the tmobile release which is scheduled 12 august. So seems plausible.

If that happens the question would be:
Wich one of the 2 (att&t or tmob) will have the less ugly version?
If is the one on the pic I think At&t will win...
p.s Did I read well??
WM 7 refresh awarded with sept 09 launching date???
Mmmmmm...... not sure about that...........

No way.......
Please say it ain't so that the pic of that Fortress is the actual/final product. If so then I think I'm gonna jump ship to Tmo because At&t just screwed up one of the biggest selling points for me. I loved the offsetted keyboard and the spaciousness of the layout, even though the color wasn't at all appealing, I'd still be able to stomach it as long as they didn't mess with the original layout too much. I really hope thats not the final product. BTW, I've been wondering, who came up with these names for Att? It feels like either they let kids do it or they just put a bunch of names in a hat and pic one.

orb3000 said:
If that happens the question would be:
Wich one of the 2 (att&t or tmob) will have the less ugly version?
If is the one on the pic I think At&t will win...
p.s Did I read well??
WM 7 refresh awarded with sept 09 launching date???
Mmmmmm...... not sure about that...........
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from the rumors i've read WM7 requires capacitive screens. and more powa then the TP2 has on tap. Ala snapdragon or tegra.
i still get the funny notion WM7 has been ready for awhile now and is based off of Windows 7, and MS has just been waiting for the hardware to catch up.
i agree with you about the ugly contest. so far i think Sprint has the best looking version (besides stock)
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=4459
wonder if the back cover the sprint version will fit on other TP2's

poppinpengawen said:
no one can really tell you if it's 100% true or not, sorry. but it seems plausible.
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The only part that doesn't smell right to me is that we still haven't seen the ATT version in the flesh, just the hackish and apparently outdated promo QWERTZ numpad version from who knows when. I get that ATT is full-tilt iPhone-obsessed, but if we were that close to release, I'd still think we'd have seen some real life pics from it the way we have for sprint, verizon and tmo.
crazy talk said:
i agree with you about the ugly contest. so far i think Sprint has the best looking version (besides stock)
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I actually like the look of sprint better than the european unlocked version. That chrome just seems like unnecessary shiny for a business class device.

crazy talk said:
from the rumors i've read WM7 requires capacitive screens. and more powa then the TP2 has on tap. Ala snapdragon or tegra.
i still get the funny notion WM7 has been ready for awhile now and is based off of Windows 7, and MS has just been waiting for the hardware to catch up.
i agree with you about the ugly contest. so far i think Sprint has the best looking version (besides stock)
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=4459
wonder if the back cover the sprint version will fit on other TP2's
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I´m agree
So, then then blog and info are false....
And yes Sprint is the less ugly....

These pics have been out since late May from engadget. It would be usual for T-Mobile to launch their ver in late July and att launch theirs in August. Typically, there is a six-month gap for exclusivity on new products, but given today’s market$ who knows.
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/...fortress-are-atandts-touch-diamond2-and-pro2/

Silverexp said:
Typically, there is a six-month gap for exclusivity on new products, but given today’s market$ who knows.
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No one bought exclusivity for the TP2.

looks like Telstra Next G in Australia will be out before AT & T for an 850 UMTS/WCDMA Touch Pro 2. July 22nd is the date
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2009/07/six-new-nextg-phones-unveiled/

I just hope that old Fortress pic from Engadget's not the final product. Please, oh lawd.

the warhawk looks way better than the fortress.... hell its way sexier than the gsm version as well

the spreadsheet was leaked will most likely NOT be the final product. ATT has a history of messing with their phones' hardware, but I don't think they'll make that mistake here.
and i've heard of an august 17 release date and an august 24th release date, so it seems like it really will be coming out a week or 2 after T-MO's

Damager said:
looks like Telstra Next G in Australia will be out before AT & T for an 850 UMTS/WCDMA Touch Pro 2. July 22nd is the date
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2009/07/six-new-nextg-phones-unveiled/
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yea it would work but ATT runs mostly on 1900 and they are expanding their 850...its better to have both. i guess 850 is better than nothing right.

ATT usually mess up on their Keyboard but we always learn to adapt and make good use of it...one thing though they keep the original exterior design ala tilt minus front camera and ala Fuze eith the diamond battery case and all...
i rather they have the same exterior design and ill adapt to the keyboard rather then they change it like Tmobile did (it looks cheap with the 4 buttons sticking out) and spring change their touch pro as well which i dont like...
just my opinion

God i hope the fortress' keyboard isnt red. How gay is that. Its a business phone for gods sake.

iceman4357 said:
God i hope the fortress' keyboard isnt red. How gay is that. Its a business phone for gods sake.
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99% of the customers who purchase this phone will not use it as a business device.

I won't use it as a business phone.

crazy talk said:
99% of the customers who purchase this phone will not use it as a business device.
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true as it maybe, that isn't necessarily his point. He is merely stating that, this phone was designed, and being marketed for, business users, regardless if thats how it ends up being used or not.
I agree tho, the Red is ugly.

What's next after the Touch Pro2?

My history is XV6600 --> XV6700 --> XV6800 --> Touch Pro2. What's next from HTC? Obviously this is usually the time when the HTC rumor mill starts churning out some interesting stuff about what's to come in the fall from HTC in terms of QWERTY handsets. But with a WM6.5 handset (obviously) highly unlikely, what are they bringing to the table this fall?
Has Moto temporarily knocked HTC out of the QWERTY market with Verizon?
Is HTC really going to lack a QWERTY in Verizon's inventory, since the Touch Pro2 is fading in and out of stock on vzw.com? It's currently out of stock in my zip, which is usually when the rumors of an upcoming replacement start flying.
Just curious, since I'm in the market, and I'm not really hearing the normal chatter. All the early adopters of the Verizon Touch Pro2 will qualify for the "Annual Upgrade" policy starting a month from today basically, and I can't be the only one having dreams about Android! I'm not really dreaming about it, but it's on my mind.
I just refuse to believe that HTC's Verizon lineup is going to consist of the backordered Incredible, Imagio, and Ozone!
(I really didn't know where else to post this, but I figured I wasn't the only one with a Touch Pro2, who was thinking about upgrading right now.)

HD2 + keyboard
I think most of us are hoping for something very like the TP2 (which, aesthetically and functionally is nearly spot on), maybe a bit thinner, but with at least the processing power of the HD2.
I personally can't see that happening though - HTC are just too busy with android handsets at the moment, and the WinMob/hardware keyboard sector just isn't mainstream enough.

I guess partially, that's what I can't figure out. Why wouldn't HTC just take the Touch Pro2 (which they know was a hit among most users), throw in Android, a capacitive screen, bump up the RAM, and Snapdragon? Done!
Verizon's Droid branding campaign could handle the rest.
Right now, they're riding the EVO wave, but it's a non-QWERTY device on the US' third ranked carrier in terms of subscribers.
I would love to see HTC pull out the big guns this fall, but if the leaks don't start flying soon, they're going to lose a ton of US marketshare to Motorola and Samsung.

ckeegan said:
I guess partially, that's what I can't figure out. Why wouldn't HTC just take the Touch Pro2 (which they know was a hit among most users), throw in Android, a capacitive screen, bump up the RAM, and Snapdragon? Done!
Verizon's Droid branding campaign could handle the rest.
Right now, they're riding the EVO wave, but it's a non-QWERTY device on the US' third ranked carrier in terms of subscribers.
I would love to see HTC pull out the big guns this fall, but if the leaks don't start flying soon, they're going to lose a ton of US marketshare to Motorola and Samsung.
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No, Windows 7 phones are next. I don't see anyone making any new WM 6.5.x phones. People have stopped developing applications for this platform. And WM 7 will not run WM 6.x programs...

ckeegan said:
Why wouldn't HTC just take the Touch Pro2 (which they know was a hit among most users)
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That's the thing... it wasn't a hit. AT&T especially sold very few, and they no longer sell them at all. They've given up on them.
ckeegan said:
throw in Android, a capacitive screen, bump up the RAM, and Snapdragon? Done!
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No, see, that's the problem. The TP2 was aimed squarely at the "business" market. Therefore, it MUST have Windows Mobile, because it MUST run Office Mobile.
What you want is probably a Nexus One.

stevedebi said:
No, Windows 7 phones are next. I don't see anyone making any new WM 6.5.x phones. People have stopped developing applications for this platform. And WM 7 will not run WM 6.x programs...
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Maybe I need to clarify, of course I know they're not coming out with anything WinMo. Honestly though, the fact that it looks like they'll have no QWERTY on the market this fall is the first time in a LONG time. I just can't believe that HTC doesn't have any Android QWERTY devices in the pipeline for Verizon, or any other carrier for that matter.
godefroi said:
That's the thing... it wasn't a hit. AT&T especially sold very few, and they no longer sell them at all. They've given up on them.
No, see, that's the problem. The TP2 was aimed squarely at the "business" market. Therefore, it MUST have Windows Mobile, because it MUST run Office Mobile.
What you want is probably a Nexus One.
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Well, I don't think you can compare AT&T to any other carrier, since AT&T puts absolutely no marketing dollars behind anything but the iPhone. Honestly, they don't even try to sell other devices. The Tilt2 is still available on AT&T's website, $199, for a device that's already been out for a year. Not to mention the fact that they tried to sell it for $349 when it first came out. Meanwhile, Verizon had it for $199 from the start, and it's been less than $100 for the past 6 months. Seriously, AT&T didn't even put forth an effort.
Also, I don't believe that most business users use their mobile devices to access documents. 90% probably use it solely for the ability to sync corporate e-mail, calendar, etc. I know I do, and I am the epitome of a business user. Regardless, you can view and edit Office files with Documents To Go on Android.
As for the Nexus One, it's nowhere near comparable to the Touch Pro2 in terms of form factor. The only option HTC is giving people (in the US) right now would be to wait a month for the Incredible to come off backorder, wait for the EVO to come off backorder, buy the Aria, or go with a Motorola Droid device.
Just odd that they don't have any options, when typically this is the time of year they are getting ready to drop their next QWERTY device.

ckeegan said:
Also, I don't believe that most business users use their mobile devices to access documents. 90% probably use it solely for the ability to sync corporate e-mail, calendar, etc. I know I do, and I am the epitome of a business user. Regardless, you can view and edit Office files with Documents To Go on Android.
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It's not the same. Businesses want devices that integrate tightly with their infrastructure. They want to be able to provision mobile devices and configure them from their Exchange server. They want SharePoint integration. They want Outlook integration. They want OneNote integration. Nothing like that is available (possibly outside Blackberry, which is a whole other can of worms).

I presume that the delay in winmo7 has begotten a delay in htc keyboard winmo phones.

Regardless of OS, HTC is giving Verizon customers no viable options right now.

I think that you can see by the HTC AT&T branded Aria that HTC is in fact aware that HW keyboards are needed. They will sway some consumers towards their phones over the iphone, and will compete with the Droid series.
I expect as someone mentioned a two to three phone lineup for AT&T when Windows 7 rolls out. Large HD2 style, HW Keyboard (crosses fingers) and a mini phone.

Thresher said:
I think that you can see by the HTC AT&T branded Aria that HTC is in fact aware that HW keyboards are needed. They will sway some consumers towards their phones over the iphone, and will compete with the Droid series.
I expect as someone mentioned a two to three phone lineup for AT&T when Windows 7 rolls out. Large HD2 style, HW Keyboard (crosses fingers) and a mini phone.
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I don't know, most of the phones these days don't have slider keyboards, they tend towards blackberry style keys, or soft keyboards. I think most people are considering that the iphone is the one to mimic, and it has no HW keyboard.

ckeegan said:
I guess partially, that's what I can't figure out. Why wouldn't HTC just take the Touch Pro2 (which they know was a hit among most users), throw in Android, a capacitive screen, bump up the RAM, and Snapdragon? Done!
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I hope HTC does NOT use a capacitive screen. The TP2 is a business phone and I do not see anyone editing excel tables with a finger. For some applications and tasks it's just way more comfortable and precise to use the Stylus and as fas as I know the special styluses for capacitive TouchScreens are way to big to fit into a phone.
Therefore I strongly hope that they wont use a capacitive Touchscreen on this one.
Lets not turn business phones into Iphones.

Don-Carlo said:
I hope HTC does NOT use a capacitive screen. The TP2 is a business phone and I do not see anyone editing excel tables with a finger. For some applications and tasks it's just way more comfortable and precise to use the Stylus and as fas as I know the special styluses for capacitive TouchScreens are way to big to fit into a phone.
Therefore I strongly hope that they wont use a capacitive Touchscreen on this one.
Lets not turn business phones into Iphones.
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im glad im not the only one who feels this way, i just had a conversation with a friend of mine (iphone user) as to why i liked my stylus
among other things, she was under the impression that taking out the stylus was required to do anything on the phone, i wonder if this misinformation is typical among consumers

well there is rumors about a hd2 pro... hope it happens.. but doesnt look like it.. its the tmobile hd2 with a keyboard. maybe it would land on att

Which is gonna be best to get?

hi with all the leaks of the new mobiles that are to be released which one is going to be the best 1 to get thats gonna keeps me going for at least 2 years.

With WP7, the specs are all standardized. The options are pretty much personal decisions..
How much storage do you want?
Do you value a physical keyboard?
Which do you think looks the best?
How big of a screen do you want?
What models will work on your carrier (this will probably limit you the most)?
Noone can answer those questions for you. The things that would affect longevity (CPU, RAM) are all standard on WP7 so really won't differ much if at all.

richard1978 said:
hi with all the leaks of the new mobiles that are to be released which one is going to be the best 1 to get thats gonna keeps me going for at least 2 years.
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go with hTC Hd3~ haha

question is when is the hd3 gonna be released? One things for sure i dont want a small screen nothing less than 3.8 but would prefer 4 and above

I looking for more of a Touch Pro3 type device. Although I would love to see a 4"+ screen with a slide out keyboard.

I'll probably end up with a Samsung whenever I decide to switch. I don't know what it is, but I always ended up with a Samsung in my pocket for the last 4-5 years now.
I went from the Samsung i630 -> i760 -> Omnia II (i920)
Probably has to do more with Verizon being my provider than any affinity I have for Samsung.

what I'm wondering, .I'm from the netherlands, and also wantto buy it in october, but the dutch version won't be there then yet. So, can I also buy the english version here, or do I need to export it?
cheers
vic

richard1978 said:
question is when is the hd3 gonna be released? One things for sure i dont want a small screen nothing less than 3.8 but would prefer 4 and above
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According to pdadb.net the HTC Mondrian/Schubert /Mozart's predecessor model is the HD2, so basically, this will be the HD3.
pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=2388&c=htc_mondrian__schubert__mozart
But to answer your question, RustyGrom couldn't have said it any better, but the best thing to do right now is not to get into any contracts until at least November, I just canceled Sprint and now have and HD2 with T-Mob, contract less...

I must say all those leaked devices recently look very bad.
Besides Dell Lightning.

doministry said:
I must say all those leaked devices recently look very bad.
Besides Dell Lightning.
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I liked the square Asus was it...there was something else square that looked nice...was it another Samsung maybe? But it's weird...that samsung taylor prototype look has grown on me, lol. But I can't wait to see reviews instead of leaks.

PDADB?
Is there another site that organizes the upcoming models better?

Well, as always Sprint is last to get a phone. The only positive is lately Sprint has the best looking and performing phones out (Evo and Epic). I hope this trend continues and Sprint drops a real monster this winter.

There is a decent round up here...
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/35093/windows-phone-7-launch-phones

now we know the models that are being released which is gonna be best, now im more prone to the hd7 or the omnia 7 manly being screen size not sure which yet. So which would you pick and why?

I'm partial to the Samsungs with the S-AMOLED screens. WP7, even more than other OSes, looks great on a AMOLED screen.

RustyGrom said:
I'm partial to the Samsungs with the S-AMOLED screens. WP7, even more than other OSes, looks great on a AMOLED screen.
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ditto - plus SD card support as well if that pans out.

From people who have had hands-on sessions and the lucky few who have received their review units already, I've been hearing Mozart and Omnia are the nicest. The general consensus seems to be that the HD7 doesn't feel quite right, too big, too shiny and WP7 somehow feels better on the smaller screens.
The Trophy seems to be winning a lot of praise too, though I think that's on the presumption that it will be quite a bit cheaper than the Mozart.

Yeah the Mozart is a very nice looking device. My only concern is no SAMOLED. I agree with the above post about WP7 looking best with an AMOLED screen. However, I'm not too sure I want a phone with Samsung's build quality. Decisions.. decisions..

The LG phones actually look good in the reviews Ive seen which is a bit of a shocker as Ive never like LG for phones that much in the past...

Well... I prefer the HD7... it just looks like THE WP7 device... it just stands out, that gorgeous 4.3 inch screen? that beautiful camera(2 LED!), the stand! the other devices are small and weak... the Dell one just looks ugly(I thought it looked like the BlackBerry Style)
Still, speed is no issue with any of them...

[Rumour]Samsung will stop Windows Phone by end of 2012?

SamFirmware is claiming that Samsung is in the process of distancing itself from Windows Phone 7 and increasing its emphasis on Android and especially its own home-grown Bada OS.
Further support for the rumour can be found in both a leaked roadmap which shows only a poorly specified follow-up for the Samsung Omnia 7 in Europe, the Samsung Omnia W, with a small screen and low resolution camera, and a recent FCC disclose of a mildly updated Samsung Omnia 7 with a front-facing camera running Mango, both not demonstrating much effort or emphasis on the OS by Samsung.
http://wmpoweruser.com/samsung-rumoured-to-be-stepping-away-from-windows-phone-7/
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Wonder if there is any truth in this..
BadaBing.

we all will die 21 December 2012, u forgot?
so they want to cancel it before, so inside hell they got some small bonus for that.
It's the final countdown...

Cotulla said:
we all will die 21 December 2012, u forgot?
so they want to cancel it before, so inside hell they got some small bonus for that.
It's the final countdown...
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And YES.....We all die on Dec 2012 !!!!!! lol....

Siiiiick. Who's next

Sounds to me that someone from SamFirmware got butt hurt because of this thread yesterday and decided to post about the demise of WPx.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1251414&page=8
.. In short.. Samfirmware was trying to up the downloads of their firmwares before they would release the RTM mango for Omnia7. Turned into a flame war.
If Samsung has not made a clear roadmap for WPx, it does not mean that they are killing it. This is pure speculation on SamFirmwares part.

Samsung is a very opportunistic company, so anyone who's trying to guess what they will decide in the end of 2012 is dreaming.
That Samsung has no commitment for WP7 now is sort of obvious by their lineup (or lack thereof).

This would make no sense since WP is destined to be the number 2 operating system in a few years according to multiple analysts. I can see Moto not jumping now that they are owned by google but not Samsung. Samsung , HTC ,and Nokia are going to be the 3 major players in the market. But who knows what the legal teams talk about. Maybe Microsoft pissed Samsung off asking a piece of their android sales like with HTC ( $15 per android device )
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Cotulla said:
we all will die 21 December 2012, u forgot?
so they want to cancel it before, so inside hell they got some small bonus for that.
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That's why the space station exists, to give the big-wigs a place to watch humanity be destroyed...for entertainment.

Well if they doit will not be suprising. Samsung has their own platform and ecosystem which seems to be taking off decently in the grand scheme of things. Plus, they simply don't have the freedom they need to innovate on WP7.

All Microsoft needs now is Nokia. The other's have not shown a legitimate commitment to WPhone. All the WP phone specs and design are lackluster compared to other brands. I think it's to MS advantage to focus on one hardware manufacturer that can create hardware that is totally synergistic with the Mango OS...the same way Apple does with their devices. In the Android market, there is a forgetable phone released every week it seems like. MS needs to focus on one or two very memorable phones to gain mindshare. A high-end phone (more expensive than iPhone or top-end Android), and a mid-range phone.

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Plus, they simply don't have the freedom they need to innovate on WP7.
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I wouldn't worry about Samsung's frustration in this area.

i don't actually mind them backing out... their WP7 and coming known offerings aren't very worthy of consumer money, imho. though, i must admit, them backing out could harm the rest of us with increased pricing. : /
also, i do like the idea (proposed?) at the end of that article. Microsoft should pick up RIM, Blackberry enhancements would do great things for WP7, i imagine.
just my two cents...
sh4d0w86.

samsung's loss if true. bada is going nowhere outside of korea and low-end smart phones (think palm). they now compete head-to-head with htc, but with their vertical hardware component production (e.g., amoled) they have an advantage as long as that remains a leading technology. and have attracted the attention of competitors like apple... but for their hardware+android creations... not a dead-end bada 'ecosystem'.
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tbh who cares? one word Nokia

I have an Omnia 7 now. Whilst the hardware is great, I doubt i'd get another Samsung phone with all the software issues there have been.
I don't expect to have to be putting resistors into my USB port to get into download mode for instance and Samsungs lack of any really decent apps in the market speak volumes.
My contract is up around March time. The thing that sold me on the Omnia was the AMOLED screen and since Nokia seem to be using them it's a bit of a no brainer for me.

The only thing I'd miss would be AMOLEDs, but if Nokia keeps using them (but Clear Black is just a filter, it isn't necessarily AMOLED...), I'm fine. No way I'm going back to LCD.

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I have an Omnia 7 now. Whilst the hardware is great, I doubt i'd get another Samsung phone with all the software issues there have been.
I don't expect to have to be putting resistors into my USB port to get into download mode for instance and Samsungs lack of any really decent apps in the market speak volumes.
My contract is up around March time. The thing that sold me on the Omnia was the AMOLED screen and since Nokia seem to be using them it's a bit of a no brainer for me.
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Super AMOLED+ is so superior to AMOLED, it's kind of insulting and ignorant to compare the AMOLED panels on the DVP or a Nokia phone to the Samsung panels.
Seriously, Samsung's displays are in a league above practically everyone else in all areas except pixel density these days. And I expect to see some qHD mobile displays coming from them soon.
Samsung phones tend to have a number of advantages in hardware:
1. They tend to use NAND Flash instead of SD Cards internally like Dell and HTC (offers better performance)
2. Their Camers are always at least "Good"
3. Their Cell Radios tend to be wildly superior to anything that isn't Motorola
4. Their sound tends to be wildly superior to anything that isn't an iPhone or dedicated media device (Zune or iPod)
5. Their displays are superior to anything else on the market outside of pixel deisity vs some qHD/LG (iPhone) displays
6. Their higih end smartphones always have at least a decent battery size, and aren't weighty
The thing they always miff up, though, is the software. Microsoft was supposed to negate that weakness of thiers, but I guess Samsung always has to find a way to fail ya know
I don't expect a phone OEM to provide flawless software, though. I just want a good phone. Let Microsoft worry about the software. Dunno how they miffed up WP7, but I guess they were trying hard. I think some of the issues were a the wrong ROM being loaded on the phones (focus?) or something...
Samsung is the only OEM outside of Dell that actually put some thought into their flagship WP7 devices (Focus and DVP), so they do deserve a bit of credit.

samsung has the sales numbers in hand (their own information), which most likely m$ wants kept quiet. As a globally present company, they don't care what os is run, so long as the phones sell. They have no alligience to a software platform, only to sales. Nothing would surprise me at this point with the very slow uptake of wpx.
Then again, this thread speculates about things that might happen in 2012-13, which means nothing. The holiday season of 2011 is where the golds at.

aquanaut88 said:
samsung's loss if true. bada is going nowhere outside of korea and low-end smart phones (think palm). they now compete head-to-head with htc, but with their vertical hardware component production (e.g., amoled) they have an advantage as long as that remains a leading technology. and have attracted the attention of competitors like apple... but for their hardware+android creations... not a dead-end bada 'ecosystem'.
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Bada is going nowhere? Millions upon millions sold and its going nowhere?
If Bada is dead end and going nowhere, why is it outselling WP7?

A loss but how big?
Look, I have had the Focus since last December and love it. Sure, it has had some frustrating and random issues but I am a very old guy and grew up with the earliest computers so am accustomed to dealing with these. I bought the Focus mainly for the screen, my eyes aren't what they used to be. I have had all HTC phones prior to the Focus and tweaked, flashed and updated until I grew weary of it, but liked the hardware. I will just go to Nokia or HTC but will not move away from WP7. There will be phones with screens equal to Super AMOLED or better, I have little doubt of that. The support (or lack of it) from Samsung for the phone and software has been terrible so goodbye to a poor company from that standpoint.

Due for an upgrade, probably reluctantly switching to Android

I say reluctantly, because I want WP to be awesome. I want to stay with it, but I just can't do this 'basic' thing anymore. The colours are so dreadfully boring, there's no WP8 support for my device, Zune software sucks ass. I miss being able to just drag and drop into my music folder. Why complicate it needlessly with restrictive software? How many "new" colours will there be? 4? Android used to be laggy, but it's not anymore. Why is there no speed dial? (Yes there's an app for that, but I live in a border city, the only dialer app that displays my network is the native one, and I need to see it). There's no DLNA app (The LG one? Sorry, that's not a working app, that's just some user interface that pretends to be a DLNA app), and the battery. My freakin gosh the battery. I'd get better battery life out of a lemon and copper wire. 99% gives me 12 hours, that's if I close all apps and leave it alone for the day. I own three chargers (work, car, home), and mine is only a 3.5" screen! What if I had went with the HD7??
These alleged WP8 handsets that are coming out, will they be on par with even 2010 tech? Probably not. I'm so underwhelmed by just everything. My bro-in-law has the Note, and it's insane. Super AMOLED HD screen, xvid/h-264 support, HD out, etc. And it's already outdated almost. The Note 2 will be announced tomorrow, and then hopefully soon available here in Canada.
These are old talking points, I know. I've been reading/lurking this board since before WP came out. It's been hashed out time and again. And it doesn't even matter. What matters is what will please you/me the most. What do you care which platform I go with? I'm not bashing anything, just verbalizing my internal dialogue trying to decide. I was a pioneer with this platform, it pains me, I wanted it to be awesome, but it's just not fully functional. "But wait for the next update" worked a year ago, not this time. WP8 will be undercooked and a day late.
The desktop Windows 8 looks like a disaster of Titanic/watergate proportions. I don't want my device to in any way require that... thing of an OS. They missed the point. They may have started with simplicity in mind, but they're far from it now.
I'm due now for an upgrade, but it's not required, so I'm probably waiting until after Christmas to give time for all the iPhone5/Note2/WP8's of the world to be fully released and reviewed.
Anyone else feeling like this?

to my understanding, there's no/not too much heat on new android devices because almost every month(if not every week) there're some new android devices released to the market. You will always find better device if you hold just a little bit, just a little. but for the iPhone or the coming WP8, it'll be quite a long time before you will see a real update, the next release cycle, one year or something. So, before you see those, why jump now?

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to my understanding, there's no/not too much heat on new android devices because almost every month(if not every week) there're some new android devices released to the market. You will always find better device if you hold just a little bit, just a little. but for the iPhone or the coming WP8, it'll be quite a long time before you will see a real update, the next release cycle, one year or something. So, before you see those, why jump now?
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Yeah that's been the ongoing joke about the iPhone forever. And Android is definitely doing that lately.
There's certain features I really need to have in my next device. The Note has all of them. If the Note 2 dials some back, then I'll just go with the Note 1 and save some cash. If you can wait a couple months and get a little bit bigger screen, why not right?

Wait until Jan/Feb. Im expecting Microsoft to really step up with WP8 or Im gone also. I really dont like Android, but I might be out of options.

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Wait until Jan/Feb. Im expecting Microsoft to really step up with WP8 or Im gone also. I really dont like Android, but I might be out of options.
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I have a A500 running 4.0.3 I think, it works fine, but I ran into a lot crashes and problems too. I think I'm very open on which OS to use, the cheapest I think I got my Windows Phone Arrive for free, absolutely free, not even activation fee, so that's why I'm with WP7. But in fact, if I jump on the new release iPhone 5, but sell it, profits.

Another Option
This is not a flame but a genuine question. Why not wait and see what RIM come up with? I got my HTC Titan because I like the look and style of win 7 and realy do not like Iphone or Andriod and yes i have had an Andriod and my girlfriend has my Iphone 4. I too feel there is just too much missing from win7 and am due an upgrade about November so if RIM can manage to sort out there act i might give it a try.Remember how things were for apple a few years ago when they were talking about just selling the company
its just an idea
Mark

^ waiting on RIM, it'll be sometime next year before an actual device is released.
Side note:
I just sold a GS3. Damn beastly phone, the best I ever had. I didn't even mind Touch wiz. I had it for one full day before selling it, that home button just ruined the experience for me though.
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What vetvito said. Blackberry won't have BB10 out until like Q2 2013. As well as that, I'm just not interested in the last hurrah of a sinking company. It will probably be pretty limited. I'm just getting done with a 'new' platform, I'd like to be with something that's worked in.

Yes exactly my thoughts also on RIM. I dont want to switch to an OS that most likely will not be around anymore in few years. Before Nokia announced MS partnership I was expecting Meego to be the thing for me. I really hope hope WP8 is meeting my expectations and I wouldnt have to move to Android.

My suggestion would also be to simply wait what Microsoft's partners and Apple are bringing to the table next month. If you wait until december you should have all the options aside from RIM for whom I personally would not wait.
The Note is a nice phone in theory but the only one I know who owns one is telling me permanently about the newest strangeness it decides on doing (guess it's simply his device that's acting up - at least I hope so).
On the hardware front I'm not that concerned over WP8. The release handsets were announced to all feature Qualcomms Snapdragon S4 Plus chipsets which, even though being dual core instead of quad, offer better performance than the Tegra 3 and Samsungs own Quadcore-Chips due to the Krait-Architecture by Qualcomm. It's the same chip the LTE-Versions of the HTC One X and Galaxy S3 currently use. HD displays are also a go with WP8.
The biggest question will be WP8 features and it seems we will know whats coming there in one week.

I do see the point in waiting, but I just got myself a Focus S and its the dogs bollocks
I think what most users need to do is actually sit down and find out what they want from their phone.
apart from being able to install customs ROMs this phone does everything I want it to and it looks amazing so for me its ideal, waiting for a WP8 device may seem prudent just now but again, what do you actually want it to do, WP8 will bring new features but do you really NEED them or is it a case of "yeah that would be cool to have" if its the latter than you are buying it for the wrong reason.
theres too much focus on tech and not enough on actual usability. I can promise you that no android or Iphone will be better for my needs at the moment, not because I know every single device out there but because I know what I need my phone for, and the Focus S ticks all the boxes
So that's my advice, sit down, and write down what your phone MUST do, not what youd like it to do but MUST do, once you find a phone that does all of those things weigh up costs etc yes WP8 will be out soon, but do you NEED it, the answer may be no, but the flip side is that WP7 devices will drop in price so perhaps that's your best option.....anyhow, just food for thought

At the end of the day, it is just a phone. Doesn't matter what OS you buy into but this time around, don't buy a phone which "looks" good or "feels" good.
I would suggest trying out the phone and functions to your heart's content before parting with your money. Like everyone else, I am playing a waiting game before I invest my cash on any OS. This Christmas Santa will be pretty confused too!

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I do see the point in waiting, but I just got myself a Focus S and its the dogs bollocks
I think what most users need to do is actually sit down and find out what they want from their phone.
apart from being able to install customs ROMs this phone does everything I want it to and it looks amazing so for me its ideal, waiting for a WP8 device may seem prudent just now but again, what do you actually want it to do, WP8 will bring new features but do you really NEED them or is it a case of "yeah that would be cool to have" if its the latter than you are buying it for the wrong reason.
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MY WORDS! WP8 has some new features, but 80% of the world does not use NFC. look at Europe or Asia, have somebody seen some NFC around? the same thing, even worse is with east Europe. ok the better screen and the developer could make apps for WP8 in c++ but that not that big deal for the mayor of us. the problem is Other operating systems like Android made the WP7 users to WISH better specs. that's the problem, like an virus thats now in the heads of a few WP7 users. my WP7 does everything what i need to have from a phone right now, and for the next one, two years! like you stated people think of WP8 "yeah that and that feature would be cool to have" but i will never use it. i say lets wait until 7.8 and the new start screen, it looks and feels like the WP8. ok we dont get wallet and such thing, but wallet i dont need, i have a real wallet made out from leather the only thing whats not so good for wp7 is that voip agent can not run in background like the GSM service. so that would be an WP8 feature why i would switch, but not right now, maybe next year when the devices would be around 300-400€ in Germany.

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ok the better screen and the developer could make apps for WP8 in c++ but that not that big deal for the mayor of us.
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I disagree on some of these points. Higher screen resolutions and native code are very important features. Native code enables easier porting of apps from iOS and Android (not to mention more similarity between WP8 and Windows RT) and should make these apps faster / more responsive. Having a choice of a retina display would also be nice
It would also be nice to have some bug fixes, which is more likely to happen on WP8. Tango seemed to break podcast management for some of us, in addition to a few other niggles (e.g. why can't I edit the original email after pressing reply / forward?, volume normalisation issues etc). The overall experience is good - however, there seem to be several rough edges in WP7.

dazza9075 said:
I do see the point in waiting, but I just got myself a Focus S and its the dogs bollocks
I think what most users need to do is actually sit down and find out what they want from their phone.
apart from being able to install customs ROMs this phone does everything I want it to and it looks amazing so for me its ideal, waiting for a WP8 device may seem prudent just now but again, what do you actually want it to do, WP8 will bring new features but do you really NEED them or is it a case of "yeah that would be cool to have" if its the latter than you are buying it for the wrong reason.
theres too much focus on tech and not enough on actual usability. I can promise you that no android or Iphone will be better for my needs at the moment, not because I know every single device out there but because I know what I need my phone for, and the Focus S ticks all the boxes
So that's my advice, sit down, and write down what your phone MUST do, not what youd like it to do but MUST do, once you find a phone that does all of those things weigh up costs etc yes WP8 will be out soon, but do you NEED it, the answer may be no, but the flip side is that WP7 devices will drop in price so perhaps that's your best option.....anyhow, just food for thought
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Hmm good thoughts, but I disagree.
With things as luxurious as cell phones, the wants are what's most important. Cause if you go by "needs", then I'll be getting a simple feature phone, or a low end Android. Because I don't care who you are, no one needs resolution even as high as 800x480. What I "need" are email and text capabilities. I think the RAZR circa 2004 had that.
What I want is not what WP can provide right now. I know HD screens are approved, but welcome to 2011, as we head into 2013. They'll always be a step behind. Will WP8 have HDMI out? x264 support? Working DLNA? wifi hotspot? Doing away with software and just allowing drag and drop? Motion (press screen and move your hand around)?
I've been to the threads and looked at the features we've seen so far and it's just what should have been included in October 2010. The saying "wait for the next update", has been given as an excuse for every single update.
Just waiting now for news of the Note 2. Berlin is like 5 hours ahead of EST isn't it? I would've thought it'd be revealed by now.
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Ah, it's 1pm for the reveal. Leaked pictures look pretty sick.

Loco5150 said:
Yes exactly my thoughts also on RIM. I dont want to switch to an OS that most likely will not be around anymore in few years. Before Nokia announced MS partnership I was expecting Meego to be the thing for me. I really hope hope WP8 is meeting my expectations and I wouldnt have to move to Android.
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Seriously, it would be nice to be with a solid performer.
Meego looked cool, and Bada looked promising as well. C'est la vie I guess.

Android really has come a long way
Personally I didn't really like stock Android without sense till ics. It changed everything. Battery is meh compared to I phone, but with a custom kernel I can get ~12 hours with 1-2 hours screen on if I stick with lte. With jb its really smooth too I'd recommend a Nexus if you want os support. I have an HTC Rezound and htc is really poor with updates. If you are willing to root a toro/maguro will be supported for years. If not, you should at least get a year more of updates since the phone came out last November.
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^ it'll get more than a year of support. Nexus S, two years old still getting love.
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Seriously, it would be nice to be with a solid performer.
Meego looked cool, and Bada looked promising as well. C'est la vie I guess.
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The N9 meego was awesome. Samsung killed Bada due to poor sales, but it sold more than WP7.
I'm wanting to see what the Jolla guys do later this year.
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Hmm good thoughts, but I disagree.
With things as luxurious as cell phones, the wants are what's most important. Cause if you go by "needs", then I'll be getting a simple feature phone, or a low end Android. Because I don't care who you are, no one needs resolution even as high as 800x480. What I "need" are email and text capabilities. I think the RAZR circa 2004 had that.
What I want is not what WP can provide right now. I know HD screens are approved, but welcome to 2011, as we head into 2013. They'll always be a step behind. Will WP8 have HDMI out? x264 support? Working DLNA? wifi hotspot? Doing away with software and just allowing drag and drop? Motion (press screen and move your hand around)?
I've been to the threads and looked at the features we've seen so far and it's just what should have been included in October 2010. The saying "wait for the next update", has been given as an excuse for every single update.
Just waiting now for news of the Note 2. Berlin is like 5 hours ahead of EST isn't it? I would've thought it'd be revealed by now.
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Ah, it's 1pm for the reveal. Leaked pictures look pretty sick.
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Ah but usability is the main point here, HDMI, x264, DLNA, NFC are all features that are completely meaningless for many of us, you are absolutely right that a feature phone from 2004 would have done all that I need, but my phone does it better, quicker and a lot more efficiently! but that is my point if you NEED HDMI then that becomes a tick box that must be met, if it is a "oh that's a cool feature" then it shouldn't be a main tick box otherwise you'll be a mug for marketing and end up spending more on stuff you don't NEED.
All those folk out there with quad core phones are a prime example, slapping a quad core in my phone will make absolutely no difference at all in the slightest and I question anyone that doesn't play games or encode video on there phone to tell me that it does make a difference, its a great marketing tool though, its QUAD core guys, its X4 better than a single core, you MUST have this, and people lap it up, hook line and sinker

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HDMI, x264, DLNA, NFC are all features that are completely meaningless for many of us
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:good:
I am completely satisfied with my HD7 and NextGen 3.3 ROM, two things I miss in everyday life: Teamviewer and how to KILL SMS toast notification...