My history is XV6600 --> XV6700 --> XV6800 --> Touch Pro2. What's next from HTC? Obviously this is usually the time when the HTC rumor mill starts churning out some interesting stuff about what's to come in the fall from HTC in terms of QWERTY handsets. But with a WM6.5 handset (obviously) highly unlikely, what are they bringing to the table this fall?
Has Moto temporarily knocked HTC out of the QWERTY market with Verizon?
Is HTC really going to lack a QWERTY in Verizon's inventory, since the Touch Pro2 is fading in and out of stock on vzw.com? It's currently out of stock in my zip, which is usually when the rumors of an upcoming replacement start flying.
Just curious, since I'm in the market, and I'm not really hearing the normal chatter. All the early adopters of the Verizon Touch Pro2 will qualify for the "Annual Upgrade" policy starting a month from today basically, and I can't be the only one having dreams about Android! I'm not really dreaming about it, but it's on my mind.
I just refuse to believe that HTC's Verizon lineup is going to consist of the backordered Incredible, Imagio, and Ozone!
(I really didn't know where else to post this, but I figured I wasn't the only one with a Touch Pro2, who was thinking about upgrading right now.)
HD2 + keyboard
I think most of us are hoping for something very like the TP2 (which, aesthetically and functionally is nearly spot on), maybe a bit thinner, but with at least the processing power of the HD2.
I personally can't see that happening though - HTC are just too busy with android handsets at the moment, and the WinMob/hardware keyboard sector just isn't mainstream enough.
I guess partially, that's what I can't figure out. Why wouldn't HTC just take the Touch Pro2 (which they know was a hit among most users), throw in Android, a capacitive screen, bump up the RAM, and Snapdragon? Done!
Verizon's Droid branding campaign could handle the rest.
Right now, they're riding the EVO wave, but it's a non-QWERTY device on the US' third ranked carrier in terms of subscribers.
I would love to see HTC pull out the big guns this fall, but if the leaks don't start flying soon, they're going to lose a ton of US marketshare to Motorola and Samsung.
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I guess partially, that's what I can't figure out. Why wouldn't HTC just take the Touch Pro2 (which they know was a hit among most users), throw in Android, a capacitive screen, bump up the RAM, and Snapdragon? Done!
Verizon's Droid branding campaign could handle the rest.
Right now, they're riding the EVO wave, but it's a non-QWERTY device on the US' third ranked carrier in terms of subscribers.
I would love to see HTC pull out the big guns this fall, but if the leaks don't start flying soon, they're going to lose a ton of US marketshare to Motorola and Samsung.
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No, Windows 7 phones are next. I don't see anyone making any new WM 6.5.x phones. People have stopped developing applications for this platform. And WM 7 will not run WM 6.x programs...
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Why wouldn't HTC just take the Touch Pro2 (which they know was a hit among most users)
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That's the thing... it wasn't a hit. AT&T especially sold very few, and they no longer sell them at all. They've given up on them.
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throw in Android, a capacitive screen, bump up the RAM, and Snapdragon? Done!
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No, see, that's the problem. The TP2 was aimed squarely at the "business" market. Therefore, it MUST have Windows Mobile, because it MUST run Office Mobile.
What you want is probably a Nexus One.
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No, Windows 7 phones are next. I don't see anyone making any new WM 6.5.x phones. People have stopped developing applications for this platform. And WM 7 will not run WM 6.x programs...
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Maybe I need to clarify, of course I know they're not coming out with anything WinMo. Honestly though, the fact that it looks like they'll have no QWERTY on the market this fall is the first time in a LONG time. I just can't believe that HTC doesn't have any Android QWERTY devices in the pipeline for Verizon, or any other carrier for that matter.
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That's the thing... it wasn't a hit. AT&T especially sold very few, and they no longer sell them at all. They've given up on them.
No, see, that's the problem. The TP2 was aimed squarely at the "business" market. Therefore, it MUST have Windows Mobile, because it MUST run Office Mobile.
What you want is probably a Nexus One.
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Well, I don't think you can compare AT&T to any other carrier, since AT&T puts absolutely no marketing dollars behind anything but the iPhone. Honestly, they don't even try to sell other devices. The Tilt2 is still available on AT&T's website, $199, for a device that's already been out for a year. Not to mention the fact that they tried to sell it for $349 when it first came out. Meanwhile, Verizon had it for $199 from the start, and it's been less than $100 for the past 6 months. Seriously, AT&T didn't even put forth an effort.
Also, I don't believe that most business users use their mobile devices to access documents. 90% probably use it solely for the ability to sync corporate e-mail, calendar, etc. I know I do, and I am the epitome of a business user. Regardless, you can view and edit Office files with Documents To Go on Android.
As for the Nexus One, it's nowhere near comparable to the Touch Pro2 in terms of form factor. The only option HTC is giving people (in the US) right now would be to wait a month for the Incredible to come off backorder, wait for the EVO to come off backorder, buy the Aria, or go with a Motorola Droid device.
Just odd that they don't have any options, when typically this is the time of year they are getting ready to drop their next QWERTY device.
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Also, I don't believe that most business users use their mobile devices to access documents. 90% probably use it solely for the ability to sync corporate e-mail, calendar, etc. I know I do, and I am the epitome of a business user. Regardless, you can view and edit Office files with Documents To Go on Android.
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It's not the same. Businesses want devices that integrate tightly with their infrastructure. They want to be able to provision mobile devices and configure them from their Exchange server. They want SharePoint integration. They want Outlook integration. They want OneNote integration. Nothing like that is available (possibly outside Blackberry, which is a whole other can of worms).
I presume that the delay in winmo7 has begotten a delay in htc keyboard winmo phones.
Regardless of OS, HTC is giving Verizon customers no viable options right now.
I think that you can see by the HTC AT&T branded Aria that HTC is in fact aware that HW keyboards are needed. They will sway some consumers towards their phones over the iphone, and will compete with the Droid series.
I expect as someone mentioned a two to three phone lineup for AT&T when Windows 7 rolls out. Large HD2 style, HW Keyboard (crosses fingers) and a mini phone.
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I think that you can see by the HTC AT&T branded Aria that HTC is in fact aware that HW keyboards are needed. They will sway some consumers towards their phones over the iphone, and will compete with the Droid series.
I expect as someone mentioned a two to three phone lineup for AT&T when Windows 7 rolls out. Large HD2 style, HW Keyboard (crosses fingers) and a mini phone.
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I don't know, most of the phones these days don't have slider keyboards, they tend towards blackberry style keys, or soft keyboards. I think most people are considering that the iphone is the one to mimic, and it has no HW keyboard.
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I guess partially, that's what I can't figure out. Why wouldn't HTC just take the Touch Pro2 (which they know was a hit among most users), throw in Android, a capacitive screen, bump up the RAM, and Snapdragon? Done!
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I hope HTC does NOT use a capacitive screen. The TP2 is a business phone and I do not see anyone editing excel tables with a finger. For some applications and tasks it's just way more comfortable and precise to use the Stylus and as fas as I know the special styluses for capacitive TouchScreens are way to big to fit into a phone.
Therefore I strongly hope that they wont use a capacitive Touchscreen on this one.
Lets not turn business phones into Iphones.
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I hope HTC does NOT use a capacitive screen. The TP2 is a business phone and I do not see anyone editing excel tables with a finger. For some applications and tasks it's just way more comfortable and precise to use the Stylus and as fas as I know the special styluses for capacitive TouchScreens are way to big to fit into a phone.
Therefore I strongly hope that they wont use a capacitive Touchscreen on this one.
Lets not turn business phones into Iphones.
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im glad im not the only one who feels this way, i just had a conversation with a friend of mine (iphone user) as to why i liked my stylus
among other things, she was under the impression that taking out the stylus was required to do anything on the phone, i wonder if this misinformation is typical among consumers
well there is rumors about a hd2 pro... hope it happens.. but doesnt look like it.. its the tmobile hd2 with a keyboard. maybe it would land on att
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I just recently bought a Palm Pre and returned it, hated it! So I bought the touch pro knowing it cam out almost a year ago (impulse buy). Now I am just curious, I know the touch pro 2 is coming to sprint, but its rumored that the hero will be out for sprint later this year, possibly December. Which one should i wait for?
i think major difference is the qwerty keyboard so decide if you need this or not.
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i think major difference is the qwerty keyboard so decide if you need this or not.
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+ one is android and other WM, usually a big difference depending on what you like.
That will depend on what is for you need the device
TP2: Buissness oriented device with the second best physical keyboard (1st is from Universal)
Hero: Multimedia oriented device with an OS tha promises a lot in the future, by now it needs to grow up and madurate
Welcome to my world, all these damn phones coming out, Hero I like however things I dont like are the shape, imagine that in your pocket? "Are you pleased to see me or is that a HTC Hero in your pocket?" and as the person above mentioned, lack of keyboard.
White doesnt stay clean for long either.
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Welcome to my world, all these damn phones coming out, Hero I like however things I dont like are the shape, imagine that in your pocket? "Are you pleased to see me or is that a HTC Hero in your pocket?" and as the person above mentioned, lack of keyboard.
White doesnt stay clean for long either.
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Haha, yeah I know, keyboard is a big deal to me. It's just WM seems to disappoint me a lot. Although I have high hopes for 6.5, I'm thinking sprint is waiting for 6.5 to release to touch pro 2, it would make it all that better!
But still, functionality versus a keyboard, I don't know! haah
I know what you mean about WM, but HTC have done a great job of masking the dull and boring monolike OS with Touchflo from what I have seen and WM 6.5 looks like a vast improvement at least visually.
Personally I think you, like me, would probably get bored of Android and the touch screen keypad would drive me nuts in the end.
I tried typing on an Iphone 3GS yesterday to get a (improved) idea of what a Diamond 2 or Hero might be like and with my fingers theres no chance I would type quickly on that ever, it would be like trying to look behind you without moving your head.
TP2 is the way to go, however the Omnia Pro is coming soon too, but then the Nvidia Tegra chipset powered HTC HD sequal is comign - I cant decide either, phones are like PC graphics cards these days.
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however things I dont like are the shape, imagine that in your pocket? and as the person above mentioned, lack of keyboard.
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the shape is virtually the same as the G1, and I've never heard anyone complain about any discomfort when they put the G1 in their pocket. and there may not be a hardware KB, but as far as onscreen KB's go, it looks like the Hero's will be one of best so far. and I like how the screen is capacitive and thus supports multi touch.
personally, I'm getting the TP2 when it comes out on AT&T. I'm also planning on picking up an unlocked Hero (unless it finds its way to the states, specifically AT&T). just want something else to play around with
Please buy both. Both has different strength, features & abilities. Both are totally different. I hope i will get one if god willing
For me it will be the one with the biggest screen & WM on it...TP2!
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For me it will be the one with the biggest screen & WM on it...TP2!
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Yeah but the hero has a capacitive screen right? or am I wrong about that? Im actually not sure but I would think that it does because all the other android ones by HTC ara capacitive
Edit: I checked and im pretty sure its capacitive but I just browsed through search results
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=530600
The same question has been haunting me lately too. I've been waiting forever for the TP2 to come to AT&T and now I see this. If they end up having release dates close together I'm thinking I might go with the hero. The main thing that will bother me is the lack of keyboard since I'm coming from a Kaiser (Tilt).
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White doesnt stay clean for long either.
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White is not definite. Colors and providers are yet to be determined according to an HTC rep on a youtube video that I saw earlier (If I can track it down again I'll include it with an edit....)
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I cant decide either, phones are like PC graphics cards these days.
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Agreed, but there's one big difference. You can get an upgrade discount on phones once every 1.5 years, otherwise you're paying out your A$$. Graphics cards are always the same (usually relatively lower) price.
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I know what you mean about WM, but HTC have done a great job of masking the dull and boring monolike OS with Touchflo from what I have seen and WM 6.5 looks like a vast improvement at least visually.
Personally I think you, like me, would probably get bored of Android and the touch screen keypad would drive me nuts in the end.
I tried typing on an Iphone 3GS yesterday to get a (improved) idea of what a Diamond 2 or Hero might be like and with my fingers theres no chance I would type quickly on that ever, it would be like trying to look behind you without moving your head.
TP2 is the way to go, however the Omnia Pro is coming soon too, but then the Nvidia Tegra chipset powered HTC HD sequal is comign - I cant decide either, phones are like PC graphics cards these days.
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Yeah you seem like you have the same thoughts as I do. I think you're right about getting tired with the android phone. I love messing with WM and modding it. I know you can with android, but it will have its limits. The thing about touch pro 2 not being a capacitive touch screen, it bums me out and makes me ask why they won't do this with WM yet. I can say they have been improving their resistive screens, big difference from the mogul to the touch pro, so I hope they can do that again. I am definitely leaning toward the touch pro 2. Does anyone know why they won't go with the capacitive screen on WM or touch pro 2?
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Yeah you seem like you have the same thoughts as I do. I think you're right about getting tired with the android phone. I love messing with WM and modding it. I know you can with android, but it will have its limits. The thing about touch pro 2 not being a capacitive touch screen, it bums me out and makes me ask why they won't do this with WM yet. I can say they have been improving their resistive screens, big difference from the mogul to the touch pro, so I hope they can do that again. I am definitely leaning toward the touch pro 2. Does anyone know why they won't go with the capacitive screen on WM or touch pro 2?
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This is exactly why I'm shying away from the TP2 and leaning towards the Hero or the Magic. The sheer idea of there being opportunities where I might need to resort to the stylus are completely holding me back. Guess I'll have to actually play with one before I make my decision; but, since using the capacitive touchscreen (iphone/G1), I'm not sure I can go back.
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Welcome to my world, all these damn phones coming out, Hero I like however things I dont like are the shape, imagine that in your pocket? "Are you pleased to see me or is that a HTC Hero in your pocket?" and as the person above mentioned, lack of keyboard.
White doesnt stay clean for long either.
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LOL! Yeah, I don't like the shape of it too..
I would go for TP2 as it's not going to disappoint you!
Hard descision
touch pro 2 is coming to tmobile august 8th and hero im not sure but the magic is coming july 8th..the resisitive touch screen on the pro is so smooth it feels like its capacitive..and its alot bigger screen and has multitouch..but the hero has android and its built very nicely with the teflon coat and finger print proof screen..i hate phones so many choices ((
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This is exactly why I'm shying away from the TP2 and leaning towards the Hero or the Magic. The sheer idea of there being opportunities where I might need to resort to the stylus are completely holding me back. Guess I'll have to actually play with one before I make my decision; but, since using the capacitive touchscreen (iphone/G1), I'm not sure I can go back.
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The resistive screen is one of the selling points for me, especially one as finger-friendly as TP2s. Best of both worlds. I get easy navigation without having to constantly sheath and unsheath the stylus, but I can use a compact and conveniently tucked away stylus when needed. I very much doubt I'll ever need it for the basic interface, but with some apps I'll want it. My Palm TX has been my primary Chinese-English dictionary for some time (before it, my Palm T|T and m500 served the same purpose), and the same software is available for WinMo. I'd just as soon use a stylus for character recognition. For that matter, I'd just as soon use a stylus for handwritten memos. I imagine capacitative screen users get by on both fronts just fine, but for me, I'm glad there's a good resistive screen still available.
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This is exactly why I'm shying away from the TP2 and leaning towards the Hero or the Magic. The sheer idea of there being opportunities where I might need to resort to the stylus are completely holding me back. Guess I'll have to actually play with one before I make my decision; but, since using the capacitive touchscreen (iphone/G1), I'm not sure I can go back.
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So far with my TP2, I have not used the stylus at all and I am a pretty heavy business user, thats emails, facebook, youtube, general browsing and posting on forums, stock, sms.
Whats more I have yet to use the actual qwerty keyboard aswell, I find the touch one good enough everytime unless I'm typing a huge email or document.
My advice is go and actually look at the Diamond 2 and TP2 in the flesh, it is totally different to looking at it on the internet, it really is a quality product.
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touch pro 2 is coming to tmobile august 8th and hero im not sure but the magic is coming july 8th..the resisitive touch screen on the pro is so smooth it feels like its capacitive..and its alot bigger screen and has multitouch..but the hero has android and its built very nicely with the teflon coat and finger print proof screen..i hate phones so many choices ((
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sorry to burst your bubble, sir, but the TP2 doesn't support multi touch. that luxury is reserved for devices that have a capacitive display. and while the TP2 feels like it's capacitive, it isn't. the Hero, on the other hand, IS capacitive and therefore the screen supports multi touch
Hi,
I live in Sydney, Australia.
I've owned a HTC Topaz until i sold it to my dad to upgrade to a better HTC phone.
I'm tossing up between waiting until the 11th of November and ordering the HTC HD2 from www.clove.co.uk or to purchase a Touch Pro 2 from ebay.
I just require general advice on which would be a better investment.
Background:
Engineering Student, requiring a smartphone that can organise a busy lifestyle and last a few years without hassles.
Thanks,
Harry.
HD2 without a doubt. plus the specs garantee that it wont be outdated in a while... unlike the TP2 since a 528 CPU will only take you so far
depends if you need a Keyboard mostly
Thanks Mike, that was one hell of a quick response.
After the Topaz I was itching for a keyboard, but i think you're right.
The snapdragon processor will last quite some time and it outweighs my need for a keyboard.
I'm sure HTC can fit a decent touch keyboard on a 4.3 inch screen.
Plus if you're ever doing major work on it, you can just buy a bluetooth keyboard for it.
Still don't know about the capacitive touch screen. Most devices I've played with that have them seem to be too sensitive and at the same time less accurate.
I wish they were releasing the HD2 in the US.
Could i get one more piece of advise please - which site would be the best to buy the HD2?
Reasonable postage + pricing would be great.
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Plus if you're ever doing major work on it, you can just buy a bluetooth keyboard for it.
Still don't know about the capacitive touch screen. Most devices I've played with that have them seem to be too sensitive and at the same time less accurate.
I wish they were releasing the HD2 in the US.
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they are. Q1 2010 actually
harryrao said:
Hi,
I live in Sydney, Australia.
I've owned a HTC Topaz until i sold it to my dad to upgrade to a better HTC phone.
I'm tossing up between waiting until the 11th of November and ordering the HTC HD2 from www.clove.co.uk or to purchase a Touch Pro 2 from ebay.
I just require general advice on which would be a better investment.
Background:
Engineering Student, requiring a smartphone that can organise a busy lifestyle and last a few years without hassles.
Thanks,
Harry.
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the keyboard on the TP2 is great...have used onscreen keyboards for the last 5 years and now would not go back ...if you do a lot of text input (emails etc) then go a TP2 plus the business slant is great for organising work and play... the real question should be, want a real keyboard or not... the speed of text input will out play any gain by the faster processor of the HD2... now a HD2 with a TP2 type keyboard & under 170 gms... that would be a killer device
No hardware kwyboard
Not an option for me
TP2 is the best hardware keyboard device to this date
I have the TP2 from Telstra and really like the phone. It has the keyboard which is the main reason for me choosing it. Apart from this, the phone's screen is big and bright. And the performance is snappy. What I don't like is the Telstra theme. But I have changed to a Hero theme which I am very pleased with. So all in all, I am happy with my choice.
HD2 is just a TP2 with out a keyboard (as bloggers who have it are saying)
Ok you get a more ram with the HD2 and a thin device (kinda)
But you pretty much just between Keyboard + touchscreen or no keyboard and full touchscreen
at the end of the day its up to you. pick what you want.. remember your on a forum with users who have both devices and going to stand behind they phone and defend it so all you going to hear is users with HD2 saying "GET THE HD2" and users with TP saying the same thing
actually , i use the hardware kwyboard rarely...
but it looks cool , so i choose TP2
HD2 its in a league of its own. Its super fast and responsive. If you want to have great performance and impress your friends go for the HD2. I want the TP2 for the keyboard.
PS: The HD1 has the requirements for an upgrade to Windows Mobile 7, so that might be a plus too.
Ive Had My Touch Pro 2 For A Year And Some Change. Ive Had Some Fun Modding And Androidding It (LOL) But Its Time For Me To Move On To A Faster Phone That Will Take On WinMo 7 And Have A Business Phone On The Side. I Will Be Moving Over To The HTC Leo Forum (HTC HD 2) Next Week When T-Mobile Releases It And I Will Have A BB 9000 As My Backup.How Many Of You Are Moving On Soon? And To What Phone/PDA? Will You Keep Your Touch Pro 2 As A Backup? Yes? No? Why?
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Ive Had My Touch Pro 2 For A Year And Some Change. Ive Had Some Fun Modding And Androidding It (LOL) But Its Time For Me To Move On To A Faster Phone That Will Take On WinMo 7 And Have A Business Phone On The Side. I Will Be Moving Over To The HTC Leo Forum (HTC HD 2) Next Week When T-Mobile Releases It And I Will Have A BB 9000 As My Backup.How Many Of You Are Moving On Soon? And To What Phone/PDA? Will You Keep Your Touch Pro 2 As A Backup? Yes? No? Why?
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No matter what phone I move to and when, the one thing I'm going to hold on to is the keyboard from my TP2....I fully intend to frankenstein it onto any device I may use in the future
Point being....I won't be changing devices until (unless) somebody releases another WM unit with specs at least as strong as the HD2, AND a keyboard as good as the TP2's. 'Till then, I'll be happily thumb-dancing away, Rhodium-style!!
Touch Pro Keyboard With HD Screen
sirphunkee said:
No matter what phone I move to and when, the one thing I'm going to hold on to is the keyboard from my TP2....I fully intend to frankenstein it onto any device I may use in the future
Point being....I won't be changing devices until (unless) somebody releases another WM unit with specs at least as strong as the HD2, AND a keyboard as good as the TP2's. 'Till then, I'll be happily thumb-dancing away, Rhodium-style!!
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Me And My Friend Was Talking Yesterday And He Said He Wants The Touch Pro 3 To Be The HD2 Screen/Specs With The Touch Pro 2 Keyboard. I Think That Would Make Me Come Back. But The Touch Pro 2 Is Not Fast Enough For Me. I Wish It Could Be Overclocked.
HTC Desire already preordered...
I'll certainly miss the awesome hardware keyboard and tilting screen.
Problem with the TP2 is not the hardware for me. It's just WinMo. I've been on this platform ever since my Touch Dual a couple years ago and I know it's very capable. But the platform is outdated.
I hope WinMo7 turns out to be as revolutionary as M$ claims it will be. In the meantime, I'll be jumping ship to Android for now...
The Nexus One did it. I sold my X1 for a tilt2 after the t-mobile only Nexus one was announced. It took about 45 minutes for me to pick up one of the AT&T Nexus Ones after it was announced today. I've been running Android recently to see how I liked it, and it wins for me over WinMo.
I'm willing to adopt any Windows Phone Series 7, keyboard or not. I say calm down on all the phones now, b/c the whole landscape as we know it will be changed by 1/1/11..
but yeah, this elusive TP3 would be nice..since a WPS7 phone can have a keyboard as seen by the LG, hopefully they're holding off for that..
im going to consider an hd2 in the future. i was thinking to get it much sooner, but ill wait a bit for the prices to come down. the tmo version has a really low price and should lower the price of the t9193. if i do, i will miss the keyboard and the speaker. but damn, that screen. it could make an iphone user commit suicide.
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it could make an iphone user commit suicide.
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That could only be proven with thorough, extensive testing. And then more testing. In fact, here, let me give you a hand with that
I am actually considering the AT&T compatible Nexus One. If it had a keyboard I wouldn't have to even think about it.
I am torn between the HD2 and the Desire. I haven't given up on WinMo yet, although I am disheartened by what I have seen of Windows Phone 7.
I also have a Toshiba TG01 which, although a flawed device, has convinced me that my next phone must have a 1GHz Snapdragon or better.
HD2
I definitely need something with a little more processor, so I've been thinking about the HD2. I will miss the keyboard some, but I've got so used to using swype, I don't think I'll miss it that much.
I really like my TP2, but I've even more so loved the Android OS - even though it doesn't totally work. If I could get an Android OS phone, with front cam, back cam, wifi, BT, FM radio w/ RDS, and a physical kb, I'd sell the TP2 in a heartbeat. I'm so over the winmo OS, and the new microsoft version doesn't look any better. Android OS please!
I love my Rhodium tooooooooo much to move onto another device.
When the time comes to renew my contract I'll probably get an HD2.
But I'll use my Rhodium as a phone. And the HD2 as a toy
i like my tp2. but as soon as us cellular gets something with more speed and not windows 7. ill be jumping ship. prob to android. ive read all the findings at mix 10 on windows 7. and i will be goin to android. windows 7 looks great. but its lockd down. and all they stopped us from doing with it. its not worth the wait. so bye bye wmo.
T-Mo HD2 next week will be replacing my TP2 which replaced my G1 which replaced my Wing.
Looks like a 6 month cycle.
I wish VZW would come out w/ the HD2...I might go with the Nexus one or this thing:
http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Saygus-Vphone-phone-pa_4463.html
I also like the HTC Incredible for vzw, it looks like HD2 hardware w/ android. Most likely i'll keep the keyboard and go w/ a saygus if anything (although chances are I wont get a new phone)
I keep looking at the Droid. Figure I'll wait a few months, see what shakes out with (if) the 6.5 update, and then move over to the Droid. I'm out of contract now with Sprint, and they don't seem particularly to care if people leave.
I am getting the HD2 for sure, I will keep my TP2 just to mess around with it but I have tested the Tmo HD2 a few times at my local store and I love it. I am just watching the time tick by until next Wednesday and I will be joining you in the NRG HD2 forum
TP3 only!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have until Summer 2011 before I can upgrade my Touch Pro 2, bear in mind though I kept my Tytn II for 3 and a half years because nothing else fitted form factor wise. I like the fact my screen tilts and the keyboard is phenomenal. It may be a while after my upgrade date it may not be, not forgetting that by then WP7 Series should have fixed all the alleged release issues such as no multi-tasking and no copy and paste, no side loading 3rd party apps, no full USB connectivity, no sd card loading......the list of faults with WP7 series so far is shocking.
Probably the best way for WM7 to sell those millions of phones that Ballmer has predicted would be to work even closer with HTC.
The Ultimate WM7 phone would be the HTC Touch Pro 3 with a 4.3 inch screen, the same tilt screen with HD definition, the same amazing physical keyboard, a 1.5 ghz Snapdragon processor, 512 mb RAM, 62gb micro sd enabled, and a 8 megapixel camera with 8x zoom and HD video enabled. Man that would be an amazing phone.
Oh yeah, also, I've heard rumours that the hardware requirements of Microsoft for WM7 don't allow a physical keyboard, is that corrrect?
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Oh yeah, also, I've heard rumours that the hardware requirements of Microsoft for WM7 don't allow a physical keyboard, is that corrrect?
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Not correct. LG already has WP7 phone with keyboard.
My "perfect" device would rather be SE. I truly hate HTC design,
it's tacky and tasteless.
Camera's aren't great either.
I'm sorry but what's SE? Do you mean Sony Ericsson?
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I'm sorry but what's SE? Do you mean Sony Ericsson?
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Ah yes. SE is that.
i don't know if design is a very important issue when it comes to a phone, but I was talking more about functionality when I referred to HTC. Also I don't think the HTC Touch Pro 2 looks "tacky and tasteless" at all. It actually has a very modern finish and it looks sleek. The tilt of the screen only reinforces the look. I do like SE, because it has created quality phones for years now. However, the problem with SE is that they are not willing to compete for market share to the same extent as HTC. This leaves their products bland and inferior to the technology that HTC is using. It seems like they are playing catch-up every time they release a phone, just look at Xperia...
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i don't know if design is a very important issue when it comes to a phone, but I was talking more about functionality when I referred to HTC. Also I don't think the HTC Touch Pro 2 looks "tacky and tasteless" at all. It actually has a very modern finish and it looks sleek. The tilt of the screen only reinforces the look. I do like SE, because it has created quality phones for years now. However, the problem with SE is that they are not willing to compete for market share to the same extent as HTC. This leaves their products bland and inferior to the technology that HTC is using. It seems like they are playing catch-up every time they release a phone, just look at Xperia...
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I know what you mean.
No doubt HTC does tremendous work, however remember SE produces also feature phones,
while HTC is smartphones only manufacturer.
But they did also great work in software....
Design - for me it's important. Also software, UI.
Now UI will be pretty the same everywhere....
Of course I only express my opinions. TouchPro 2 looks nice,
however I see X1/X2 much better in this regard.
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I know what you mean.
No doubt HTC does tremendous work, however remember SE produces also feature phones,
while HTC is smartphones only manufacturer.
But they did also great work in software....
Design - for me it's important. Also software, UI.
Now UI will be pretty the same everywhere....
Of course I only express my opinions. TouchPro 2 looks nice,
however I see X1/X2 much better in this regard.
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There's going to be an Xperia with WP7 but it does look like it won't beready at launch. They will be a month or two (this is a guess) late for the launch.
I remember seeing them listed on the original hardware partners list but they are absent on the initial release list.
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The Dell Lightning phone looks like the one to beat right now. http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/dell-lightning-the-ultimate-windows-phone-7-device-leaks-out/
Asus is the manufacturer of the slate WP7 prototype they've showed off some. It seems that HTC has a run for it's money. Here's hoping that they can put something out that can beat these.
ya but the keyboard on the Dell lightning is on the short side, which is kind of redundant in terms of functionality and that's going to be a big factor when it comes to sales.
Completely agree!
Hope at least some of that specs can be found on the successor of Rhodium.
I really like HTC designs, I won´t go for another brand really...
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Probably the best way for WM7 to sell those millions of phones that Ballmer has predicted would be to work even closer with HTC.
The Ultimate WM7 phone would be the HTC Touch Pro 3 with a 4.3 inch screen, the same tilt screen with HD definition, the same amazing physical keyboard, a 1.5 ghz Snapdragon processor, 512 mb RAM, 62gb micro sd enabled, and a 8 megapixel camera with 8x zoom and HD video enabled. Man that would be an amazing phone.
Oh yeah, also, I've heard rumours that the hardware requirements of Microsoft for WM7 don't allow a physical keyboard, is that corrrect?
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I has a dream of a Asus bamboo wp7 device last night. but it will never happen, it was just a dream
I actually love this Dell design, we'll see if it comes real.
The device which doesn't have to be flipped to write on hardware qwerty is a dream.
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I actually love this Dell design, we'll see if it comes real.
The device which doesn't have to be flipped to write on hardware qwerty is a dream.
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I've always loved the portrait slider form factor. With a portrait slider you still get the benefit of the hardware buttons but you can easily type with both hands or with a single hand.
I really want it but I think on the leaked material it said it was going to be on Sprint. I'm really hoping that the Samsung phone, due to that massive camera, will come to Verizon so I can buy it.
I live a bit off the beaten path and the only carrier that gives me good coverage at home, work, and inbetween is Verizon.
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I've always loved the portrait slider form factor. With a portrait slider you still get the benefit of the hardware buttons but you can easily type with both hands or with a single hand.
I really want it but I think on the leaked material it said it was going to be on Sprint. I'm really hoping that the Samsung phone, due to that massive camera, will come to Verizon so I can buy it.
I live a bit off the beaten path and the only carrier that gives me good coverage at home, work, and inbetween is Verizon.
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Well I almost never buy phones from carriers but from manufacturer.
We'll see how about that.
The question is actually when I'll be able really to get it in Poland.
doministry said:
Well I almost never buy phones from carriers but from manufacturer.
We'll see how about that.
The question is actually when I'll be able really to get it in Poland.
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Countries at Launch:
■Australia
■Austria
■Belgium
■Canada
■France
■Germany
■Hong Kong
■India
■Ireland
■Italy
■Mexico
■New Zealand
■Singapore
■Spain
■Switzerland
■UK
■US
Languages:
English, French, Italian, German and Spanish
Depending on what languages you can speak you might be able to buy one and have it shipped from Germany since it's closer or possibly the UK. Since Europe is GSM you should be able to just pop your SIM card in there. However, you probably won't be able to use zunePass and potentially marketplace access (at least for paid apps)
It's also available in other countries than that list. It's not Apple, so the individual manufactures are allowed to sell it in all regions they want to.
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It's also available in other countries than that list. It's not Apple, so the individual manufactures are allowed to sell it in all regions they want to.
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Wrong. Those 17 countries and five languages are the only ones that will have the devices at launch. You may be able to import the devices to other countries but you won't have access to the marketplace or zunePass.
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Wrong. Those 17 countries and five languages are the only ones that will have the devices at launch. You may be able to import the devices to other countries but you won't have access to the marketplace or zunePass.
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No, you're wrong.
Perhaps you should call your local Microsoft office, and get their opinion if it's released in your country -- because mine say it's released in mine, and mine aren't on that list.
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No, you're wrong.
Perhaps you should call your local Microsoft office, and get their opinion if it's released in your country -- because mine say it's released in mine, and mine aren't on that list.
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I don't think so.
Feel free to think what you like. I prefer to stick to what the local Microsoft evangelists says in public here.
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No, you're wrong.
Perhaps you should call your local Microsoft office, and get their opinion if it's released in your country -- because mine say it's released in mine, and mine aren't on that list.
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It depends on when it will get released. The countries listed are for the INITIAL release in October/November. Other countries are slated for later dates. I think I heard of a second release for a month or two after the initial but nothing is set in stone since there hasn't been a press release. I'm guessing that the countries for the second release aren't finalized yet due to no official list being leaked. But for the initial release it'll be only for those countries listed above.
It is now 2nd half of 2010. Apple has released the 4th version of the iPhone. Blackberry has released it's best touch screen device to date, the BB Torch. Android is poised to move into 2nd place and can possibly become market share leader in the coming months. Windows Phone 7 is being polished and will launch within the next 2-3 months.
So where does this leave us Touch Pro 2 owners? Our processors, even when overclocked are not even close to what newer smartphones have under the hood. As much as I've enjoyed using WM 6.5 with HTC Sense and MaxManilla and Cookies HomeTab and MaxSense, I'm beginning to feel like no amount of tweaking and ROM flashing can save our devices. App support for WM 6.1 and 6.5 has come to a grinding halt in my opinion. No one can argue with the fact that all the best apps are now on iPhone and Android.
So I ask my fellow Rhodium owners... when are you going to switch, and what are you going to switch to?
im moving to android...next year when i get my upgrade...windows mobile...is dead...and it kinda hurts...because when it runs right...its so smooth, but alot of the consumer market wants apps, which WINMO does have...but we dont have the novelty apps like iphones and androids...to me android is like...iphone on steriods with a touch of windows mobile productivity
my contract will be expiring until aug of 2011 so I still got like a year to go until I can upgrade. Based on what I have seen so far, I think I will be moving to android or possibly to iphone 4 because now ATT requires everyone to get a data plan, I am possibly will move to iphone 4 becasue the price will be the same regardless it's a smartphone or iphone.
So far, I am looking at captivate, iphone 4, or xperia. I am leaning toward captivate and ihpone 4 but still have not yet made up my mind.
I like HTC's sense but to be honest, I am pretty much given up on any of the WinMo phones so it's most likely going to be either android or iphone.
The good news I guess for me is that I still got a year to go so I can wait and keep looking around and shopping.
yea, its almost the end for my Rhodium. Im looking at either the Blackberry Torch or any of the WP7 phone. Might try the torch first and let the WP7 matured out first.
But its been nice using the Rhodium, surely its not the quickest but it gets the job done. Im still gonna keep it, one of the best phone that i've use.
ill be switching to android, ive never liked the iphone OS and WP7 is just a clone
as for when, i dont know, im not under a contract ATM so ill switch whenever i see an android phone with a nice TP2-like keyboard, preferably on sprint
android on a htc device most likely. love winmo tho. if they get their act right ill remain loyal.
iphone??? lol, maybe if i get over originality.... new iphone looks like **** compared to my rhod. and i expect it will never be able to catch my attention.
unfortunately I'll stay on wm 6.5! because UpToDate (a medical reference program) which is MUST TO HAVE for me, is not released for android!
If I could pass this limitation, I'll go for android (probably galaxy s i9000) for sure.
I'm tired of changing rom, searching for tweaks,testing new home screens and themes,etc... to feel like having a 2010-11 smart phone!
I'll be staying with my Tilt2 for now. Its not even a year old, and I can't justify a switch at this time. Maybe when/if ATT offers a subsidized flagship Android handset, then I'll think of switching. Especially a device with a slider QWERTY keyboard. Or if an unlocked Android phone really piques my interest (enough to justify paying full price).
Android seems to be carrying on in the spirit of Windows Mobile, offering customization and freedom, completely in contrast to Apple's walled garden. Its still not quite as slick and streamlined as the iPhone, but I have high hopes for Android in the next year or so.
As fluid, user-friendly, and popular as the iPhone may be, I still can't stand its closed architecture. Its annoying that Steve Jobs and Apple fanboys claim the iPhone is "the best" when they are still making big updates to add features which WM has had for years. Everything from tethering to multitask, icon folders, and on previous updates: cut&paste, stereo bluetooth, and so much more. And its still outrageous to me that you can't even activate an iPhone without installing Apple's bloated software package on your home computer.
I had big expectations for the Blackberry Torch and Blackberry OS 6, since there (for some time now) has been the possibility of my work forcing me to switch to a BB device. But it appears the phone has fallen far short of RIMs promises and hype. Blackberry 6 is still years behind Android and Apple. A pretty home page, with most things underlying basically the same as the old Blackberry, and tons of other issues. RIM has proven that they are out of touch with the new smartphone landscape, and will continue to lose market share to the competition. Too bad, with their dominance in the enterprise arena, and reputation for security, they could have stayed THE major player, if they had played their cards right.
http://www.tomsguide.com/us/Blackberry-Torch,review-1573.html
I've already moved on from the TP2 to the Evo, and Android, not WP7 is the real successor to WinMo. For all the tweaks I made to get my TP2 working smoothly, the Evo trumped it in almost every way out of the box. Aside from voice dial, there isn't anything from WinMo that Android doesn't do better. Much better. I had been using WinMo since the Mogul, and while Android 1.6 isn't all that hot, 2.2 with Sense is both familiar and superior.
And the hardware just smokes the TP2.
android is really catching my eye right now. i got a tilt 2 off ebay a couple of months ago and its been fun using it. i also have a pure from at&t as well and i keep switching between the 2 devices. my wife has iphone and as great as it is its not for me. i love to custimise and tweak otherwise i might as well just have a crappy flip phone if i just wanted a phone. i keep eye balling the samsung captivate but im a big htc fan. i keep seeing leaked upcoming phones from htc but not sure if when at&t will get any of those. i am intrigued with wp7 as well. both i and my wife are eligible for upgrades and i use her line to upgrade phones for me as well. i dont want to jump the gun and get the captivate but its getting very tempting to since at&t suck at getting any new smartphones.
Buying a WM Rhodium phone was a big, big mistake in my opinion. I had no idea that a phone could be so slow and unresponsive. As someone who works in manufacturing, I was shocked that a product like this would even be marketed (I consider 5 soft resets a day and slow response as "defective".) I really wish I had gotten Android instead, but I'm stuck with this phone for the next year at the very least. I got burned!
having to do 5 resets a day is defective.
I am not sure what I will be moving over to yet. Im on Sprint so I may look toward the Samsung Epic. That phone is Android but it does have an actual keyboard. I am sad too because I have become so accustomed to winmo. I love the file explorer, the freedom, the cutting and pasting. Perhaps I will wait to see what windows Phone 7 has to offer, but I think having the keyboard and the freedom to customize is most important.
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I'll be staying with my Tilt2 for now. Its not even a year old, and I can't justify a switch at this time. Maybe when/if ATT offers a subsidized flagship Android handset, then I'll think of switching. Especially a device with a slider QWERTY keyboard. Or if an unlocked Android phone really piques my interest (enough to justify paying full price).
Android seems to be carrying on in the spirit of Windows Mobile, offering customization and freedom, completely in contrast to Apple's walled garden. Its still not quite as slick and streamlined as the iPhone, but I have high hopes for Android in the next year or so.
As fluid, user-friendly, and popular as the iPhone may be, I still can't stand its closed architecture. Its annoying that Steve Jobs and Apple fanboys claim the iPhone is "the best" when they are still making big updates to add features which WM has had for years. Everything from tethering to multitask, icon folders, and on previous updates: cut&paste, stereo bluetooth, and so much more. And its still outrageous to me that you can't even activate an iPhone without installing Apple's bloated software package on your home computer.
I had big expectations for the Blackberry Torch and Blackberry OS 6, since there (for some time now) has been the possibility of my work forcing me to switch to a BB device. But it appears the phone has fallen far short of RIMs promises and hype. Blackberry 6 is still years behind Android and Apple. A pretty home page, with most things underlying basically the same as the old Blackberry, and tons of other issues. RIM has proven that they are out of touch with the new smartphone landscape, and will continue to lose market share to the competition. Too bad, with their dominance in the enterprise arena, and reputation for security, they could have stayed THE major player, if they had played their cards right.
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You hit the nail squarely on the head here. I considered (and still am) an Android based phone but I like the "easy button" convenience of ActiveSync. I've owned all three iterations of the Blackjack and this is my first HTC product and I have to say that I am enjoying it completely. The price disparity between the Jack and the Tilt 2 was the only thing that kept me from buying it right off the bat. Having said that, some of the features that got broken with the WM6.5 update are unacceptable. Threaded messaging worked perfectly before I updated my Jack, not so much afterward, and I hope the new official ROM update for the Tilt 2 addresses this and other issues. It was a relief to find out that it was either a Microsoft or ATT software engineer that effed things up, and not a Samsung issue as I originally assumed.
I also considered the iphone, as when i got the Jack the 3GS model was coming out so I could've gotten a 3G for a song, but I feel the same about that crappy itunes garbage software. Absolute ****e, IMO. I had to fix my daughter's desktop so many times a few years back because of that crapware and I'm not willing to go there again.
I also considered a crackberry, but nothing really interested me at the time except for the Bold and that was just as expensive as the Tilt 2.
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Buying a WM Rhodium phone was a big, big mistake in my opinion. I had no idea that a phone could be so slow and unresponsive. As someone who works in manufacturing, I was shocked that a product like this would even be marketed (I consider 5 soft resets a day and slow response as "defective".) I really wish I had gotten Android instead, but I'm stuck with this phone for the next year at the very least. I got burned!
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I'd say don't blame the phone, blame the software. While the Rhodium hardware may not spec out like the bleeding edge stuff that has been released in the last few months, it is more than up to the task of handling a properly polished WM6.x ROM. I really would have liked to see this phone with 6.1 on it. As I implied in my above reply, 6.1 worked pretty flawless for me but 6.5 has been just this side of an unmitigated disaster. Throw in all the bloat and crap that ATT wants to put on their WM smartphones and you have what we got.
Again, my hope is that the new official ROM update will address all the issues that WM6.5 created.
I have had no problems and very rarely have to reset..
I'll be waiting until a good phone has all the hardware features I like in the TP2, either android or WM7 I don't care, I'll judge in a year.
The TP2 was the best phone out for me needs when I got it, and it'll be a year or so probably before something comes out that'll make me switch. It does all I want, and more, now. Higher res and faster speed would be nice, HDMI out and a few other hardware goodies would rock, but it isn't required.
I went thru the gambit of HTC/at&t phones over the last few years. I still even have a 3125 & 8525 in my desk. I got the first Tilt, and after I got it tweaked the way I wanted it, (eventually stayed with stock rom too), it has been a work horse for almost THREE YEARS! The last two years I had it, never had to hard reset it!!!
Now I have the Tilt2...all I can say is.... WOW... I am looking forward to the next three years.
One thing folks should understand about WinMo.. or Windows in general. A lot of the 'bugginess' can be attributed to third party apps, just like your desk/laptop.
I am worried about WinMo 7. I hear the new platforms are essentially a
Zune versus a pocket pc. My phone needs to be an extension of my desk/laptops, can a Zune platform fill the bill?
going down with the ship, why switch when my phone does everything I need and want it to.
I think I could well be going to Android as I'm more swayed by the full qwerty keyboard than an operating system.
The new HTC G2 or Vision will be the way forward and I suspect I'll just take whatever OS is offered with it.
Even got a gmail account set up in readiness for the switch. It's a shame as I have no issues with WinMo but if they cannot provide the correct hardware then I'm off.
the touch pro 2 has been the best phone i've ever had. yes it was glitchy at the beginning and it froze daily, but with the right setup, its perfect. Im running the Energy Rom right now, with Spb Mobile Shell 3.5 and a custom Spb skin. Its so customizable its sickening. I've had it in this configuration for the last 3 months, and I have not had to reset my phone for that whole period of time. on top of that, my battery life is longer. I hope they will make an updated version of the Rhodium with the slide out keyboard. I really don't want to upgrade to a phone without it.
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Buying a WM Rhodium phone was a big, big mistake in my opinion. I had no idea that a phone could be so slow and unresponsive. As someone who works in manufacturing, I was shocked that a product like this would even be marketed (I consider 5 soft resets a day and slow response as "defective".) I really wish I had gotten Android instead, but I'm stuck with this phone for the next year at the very least. I got burned!
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working in manufacturing, you shoudl have known to try out any technology before you buy it. i have tilt2 and i mess with it everyday, flashing and tweaking, and within the year or so ive had the fone ive only had 2 times where ive had to SOFT reset. never had a problem that needed a hard reset.
even now i have it oc'd at 768 and no freezing never lags, no errors.
a lot of times its just that you need to match the technology u buy. some people are windows peeps, some are google peeps, some are apple peeps.
if your constantly getting lags, needing to reset... blah blah blah... then u probably need a more simple form of tech like iphone.
if you like to tweak and customize (and know a lil something about computers) go for windows.
if you want a phone thats psp/computer, go with android.
you want a weak version of psp, go with iphone.
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So I ask my fellow Rhodium owners... when are you going to switch, and what are you going to switch to?
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I am going to stay with the Tilt2 until sometime next year. I really do not care about the speed of the processor or much else as long as the phone does what I want it to do. However, support of applications is the main issue. More and more applications are getting released for the iPhone and Android only and there are a number I would like to have. MS has abandoned WinMo (which makes little sense to me, but anyway), so moving to a new platform is essential to obtain newer applications.
So, the choice is the iPhone or Android. I dislike Apple's closed system so this brings us to Android. Unfortunately, there is no Android device that I find compelling right now. What I want is an HTC device running Sense with a keyboard and at least a 4'' screen. Hopefully. such device would be released soon (it has to be GSM because of travel requirements).