Hi all, good job you are doing here helping everyone getting the best out of this great phone.
I bought the T-Mobile G2 becuase it has an internal 4GB ROMemory, later on I removed the stock ROM & installed many full ROMs to enjoy the SENSE UI invention, most of them were unstable & all of them did not read all the 4GB of ROM (shows only 1.5 GB as in the Desire Z). Could you please advise what to do, I mean is there any known STABLE ROM to be installed?
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This is the Wiki explination of where the missing 2GB is, there isn't any rom that you can install to give you more memory:
So where is the missing 2GB?
To answer this, it is first necessary to understand a bit about how internal flash cards, such as the Sandisk card (also known as an "emmc") on the HTC Vision, store information.
Luckily, Sandisk has provided a helpful video. Pay particular attention to the discussion of SLC (single-level cell) and MLC (multi-level cell) in Chapter 5.
In an SLC configuration, a single bit is packed into each memory cell. In a multi-level cell, you can fit 2, 3, 4 or more bits in each cell. You get a lot of capacity with more bits per cell, but at the expense of speed and reliability.
In trying to figure out where the missing 2gb went, scotty2 noticed that most of the Sandisk card's block device (that is, the part with Android on it) had been partitioned within the regular "User Data Area" as an "Enhanced User Data Area".
Note that when we talk about partitioning the emmc, we're not talking about regular MBR partitions like /dev/whatever. An emmc partition is a very low-level partition of the flash. Each emmc partition constitutes a full block device, which can then be further partitioned into a bootloader, /system, /data, etc.
The card's datasheet wasn't too clear about what the "Enhanced User Data Area" did that was so different from the regular User Data Area, although one thing was clear-- once its parameters was set, you couldn't "un-set" it. To quote the datasheet, the Enhanced User Data Area "can be programmed only once during the device life-cycle (one-time programmable)."
But why was the entire Sandisk partitioned in this special "Enhanced" User Data area? No one knew.
Then tmzt found this. It's an article by Toshiba that suggests what's going on:
Those areas requiring better reliability are SLC or can be programmed as SLC. . . the Enhanced User Data Area, which may store, for example, system log files, are SLC. The User Data Area, which may store music, pictures, videos and other files is MLC. . . Each 1 bit configured as SLC results in 2 bits less of MLC. Theoretically an 8GB e-MMC device (densities are defined in MLC terms), could be configured virtually all as SLC and thus would be approximately 4GB. In most cases, it is more likely that the majority of the memory would be configured as MLC to support higher density.
You've probably figured out by now what's likely happened here. Assuming the Sandisk emmc works like Toshiba's, the 4GB flash has probably been, save for a few tiny partitions such as the radio, irreversibly configured to use SLC, rather than MLC. If so, the benefit is faster performance and perhaps greater stability (and more read/write cycles). But its capacity/density would be cut in half.
And that, my friends, may very well be where your 2GB has gone.
So To Conclude...
Assuming the above is a correct understanding of the issue, the following appears to be the case:
The HTC vision has a 4GB firmware card
It has been irreversibly partitioned to use a faster/more reliable configuration called SLC
This has resulted in a practical capacity/density of ~2GB
Update: Initial investigations from over a month ago reported that T-Mobile attributed this issue to "creative partitioning": ("I called into T-Mobile Android support and was assured this number is correct, and that I do have the full 4GB storage on-board... there's just some "creative partitioning" going on.") This may correlate with the explanation provided above.
You can find this info here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Vision
joemm has given you the full, detailed answer from the Wiki, which is explains it all.
Here's the short answer - T-Mobile lied.
steviewevie said:
joemm has given you the full, detailed answer from the Wiki, which is explains it all.
Here's the short answer - T-Mobile lied.
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Now I got it, specially after this clarification
My question remains: what is the best ROM to be installed on this device? Cause there is plenty of them around & i really can not decide
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haithamnayel said:
Now I got it, specially after this clarification
My question remains: what is the best ROM to be installed on this device? Cause there is plenty of them around & i really can not decide
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Really personal prefrence, my suggestion would be to try each one out, Ive tried them all, got them set up to where I want each one and made a nandriod backup of each one, then when I feel like a change I just restore a diffrent backup.
If you enjoy sense as you said in the op try Virtouos 9.0
I thought so, you know, but it didn't just look as a practical solution to me.
I just want to install something that the majority of users agreed it's stability & relaiability (like a basic ROM) after that modules or .zip files are what really should be available with a lot of varaiaties so everyone shall pick & install his own preference OF specific functions
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If you want stability, try out Cyanogen Mod 6.1.1 , I have 6.1 on my G1/Dream and it runs pretty smooth, but the G1 is an old phone, I probably don't know what smooth is like till I get my G2. If your wanting Sense then try out that Virtuous ROM, though I seriously don't know why people like Sense, its too childish to me, I prefer stock vanilla Android. I hear that the alpha builds of Cyanogen Mod 7 are pretty stable, many people use them as a daily driver, but I wouldn't try it if your new to rooting.
I think that "Slate" Skin on Sense looks really, really nice
Much nicer than Stock Sense or Vanilla Android
bahmanxda said:
If you enjoy sense as you said in the op try Virtouos 9.0
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I think ill do & let u konw .. thanks
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LooieENG said:
I think that "Slate" Skin on Sense looks really, really nice
Much nicer than Stock Sense or Vanilla Android
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Agree, it is very useful as well
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steviewevie said:
joemm has given you the full, detailed answer from the Wiki, which is explains it all.
Here's the short answer - T-Mobile lied.
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Haha I like this
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bahmanxda said:
If you enjoy sense as you said in the op try Virtouos 9.0
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I tried it with perhoof kernel, it is really nice specially with the 1.5 GHz over clocking
New challenge for me: arabic language support, any ideas?
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Its good know where the rest of the rom went. Its just the carriers of wherever you got your phone fault for advertising all of that rom, when not all of it is accessible.
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I have a friend looking at phones...is this a decent phone? Are there any problems with it as far as hardware goes? Reliable, etc... im not new to xda just have an incredible
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People says that the desire's ambient light sensor has a problem which I have yet to encounter. Also, the desire has very small internal memory which could be a problem in the future date.
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cons: battery life, small internal app space
pros: pretty much everything else
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cons: battery life, small internal app space
pros: pretty much everything else
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Actually, I think the battery life is rather normal just like other smartphones and shouldn't be quoted as a con.
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cons: battery life, small internal app space
pros: pretty much everything else
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To some extend (almost entirely) I agree with OpusX11. However:
1. Unless the very latest models are different, all (each and every single) smartphone are provided with "short" batteries. Personally, I can go one full day without recharging (push enabled, several phone calls, some internet, some wifi, some GPS).
2. Small is so relative... Again, only very few smartphones are provided with more that half a Gb memory for programs. Do we want more? Yes!, but as of today, this is among the biggest ROM available in the market. You can overcome this limitation with several very nice cooked ROMs available here at XDA (I'm very happy with the RCMixHD ROM I'm using)
rafaelegomezb said:
To some extend (almost entirely) I agree with OpusX11. However:
1. Unless the very latest models are different, all (each and every single) smartphone are provided with "short" batteries. Personally, I can go one full day without recharging (push enabled, several phone calls, some internet, some wifi, some GPS).
2. Small is so relative... Again, only very few smartphones are provided with more that half a Gb memory for programs. Do we want more? Yes!, but as of today, this is among the biggest ROM available in the market. You can overcome this limitation with several very nice cooked ROMs available here at XDA (I'm very happy with the RCMixHD ROM I'm using)
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Doesn't that technically negates off the cons? Leaving the desire flawless? Lol.
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Internal space is limited, can be overcome with apps2sd as mentioned above.
Power button is annoying, the slightest touch will turn your phone on, annoying when your trying to save the last 10 minutes battery for an important phone call.
I've dropped mine a dozen times on concrete from hand height with no protector and its still working fine.
There is massive developer support here if your into that sort of thing, you will arguably get more/higher quality hacks, mods and rom's than on less popular devices.
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Coming from an old Nokia 5140i the Desire is extremely good.
I am running stock HTC 2.2 and haven't had any problems with neither battery nor storage (admittedly I don't install very many apps).
I go from 100% battery to between 50 and 10% during a days usage. And that often includes Wi-Fi on almost all day, about 30-40 SMS, some web browsing and between 30 to 60 minutes of games on the bus.
I have dropped my phone without protection once on a gravel road from hip height and the only damage were some small scratches in the plastic on the top.
As written above the power button is a bit sensitive, but not something that's overly annoying.
I have a SLCD screen and it is very nice, both regarding colours, brightness and touch sensitivity.
It's very nice to have actual buttons for the home/menu/back/search buttons, and not touch ones, as it's less risk of accidentally pushing them.
All in all it is a very solid phone (for me at least) and one I would very much recommend.
I agree- a top phone all in all;
cons- battery (lasts about 2 days max for me), low internal memory, (no htcsense.com could be a downside too?)
pros- nice design, quick phone, with android!
Lothaen said:
I agree- a top phone all in all;
cons- battery (lasts about 2 days max for me), low internal memory, (no htcsense.com could be a downside too?)
pros- nice design, quick phone, with android!
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Htcsense.com will come to desire when(or if) it upgrades to sense 2.0
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Old phone already, I doubt that even gingerbread will be availabe as an OTA update, not even mentioning sense 2.0 because of the low internal memory.
So,
Cons: old device, probably no more support from htc, probably no ginger and most likely no sense 2.0 and custom ROMs with it will never be smooth
Pros: overall a decent phone, satisfied with it but very pissed on the HTC support
The battery is not an issue, you can easily get 2 days out of it if used with knowledge and tweaked with some custom ROMs.
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Old phone already, I doubt that even gingerbread will be availabe as an OTA update, not even mentioning sense 2.0 because of the low internal memory.
So,
Cons: old device, probably no more support from htc, probably no ginger and most likely no sense 2.0 and custom ROMs with it will never be smooth
Pros: overall a decent phone, satisfied with it but very pissed on the HTC support
The battery is not an issue, you can easily get 2 days out of it if used with knowledge and tweaked with some custom ROMs.
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There might be sense 2.0. However due to the small internal memory, HTC might limit it (less features installed on phone etc.) And gingerbread should come out before they stop support.
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I listed battery life as a con because friends with samsung android phones can get more life from their battery. I do agree that all smartphones suffer from short battery life, but i think the HTC sense-based phones are a bit worse than others in this space.
I'm not sure HTCSense.com is a big deal. Apps like WaveSecure or Lookout can do do online backup of data anyway, right? Are there other features of HTCSense.com that are note-worthy?
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So,
Cons: old device, probably no more support from htc, probably no ginger and most likely no sense 2.0 and custom ROMs with it will never be smooth
Pros: overall a decent phone, satisfied with it but very pissed on the HTC support
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Not true - i use coolexe HD v5 ROM (sense 2) which fits as a whole in the internal memory. This ROM - to me - is as fast and snappy as the original ROM. Couldn't believe it by myself when i tried it first...
And HTC is the best company when it comes to supporting it's devices. See Sony and Motorola fiasko... Shure, they won't support it forever, but community is great and if you are willing to "play" with it, it will last even longer.
Only thing i would complain about Desire is, that it doesn't have a "real" multitouch display - though pinch to zoom is working flawless. For me, it's a near perfect device - more than any other device - even until now.
Thanks guys i appreciate all the comments. Im fairly sure my friends will be getting this phone. It sounds very very similar to my incredible
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Not true - i use coolexe HD v5 ROM (sense 2) which fits as a whole in the internal memory. This ROM - to me - is as fast and snappy as the original ROM. Couldn't believe it by myself when i tried it first...
And HTC is the best company when it comes to supporting it's devices. See Sony and Motorola fiasko... Shure, they won't support it forever, but community is great and if you are willing to "play" with it, it will last even longer.
Only thing i would complain about Desire is, that it doesn't have a "real" multitouch display - though pinch to zoom is working flawless. For me, it's a near perfect device - more than any other device - even until now.
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Belive me, I have tried all of the Desire HD/Z ports available, even since november when they started to show up. I have tried all kinds of tweaks, some of them that you haven't even heard of probably. Ext2 which is supposed to be faster, ext4 without journal, ext partition alignment, ownhere's data2ext version (2ext partitions), patched sqlite, overclock, undervolted kernel + overclock, I even bought a class 6 card especially for this. I always rolled back to leedroid. Belive me, I have tried them all, they are still ports not optimized for desire and never will run smoothly.
I really have hopes for gingerbread, but for sense 2.0, no chance.
I have my Desire for just over a week now and i must say i really love it!
But then again i came from the LG Arena (KM900) which is just an awfull phone, so my opion might not be the most objective.. i never had another Android phone before..
I did some research before getting mine at the beginning of 2011, and the Desire being almost a year old, even then alot of sites still rate the original Desire in their top 5, most sites (in europe) compare it with the iPhone4, Samsung Galaxy S, and HTC's own Desire HD. i really liked the 3.7" screen size, the 4" on the HD & Galaxy S (with the same resolution as the 3,7") are just too big for me..
and actually the Desire being almost a year old was actually a great selling point for me. Last time i had to choose a new phone i wanted the top notch, and that was right before LG came out with the Arena, they made it look as the perfect and best phone ever.. (the other options at that time being phones with WM6.5 or iPhone..) but man was i disappointed. So this time around i did some better research , and a phone being almost a year old but still being rated that high couldn't be a misser! Also with such a big community behind it i knew there would be lots of 'of road' stuff to try with it... (but that could be true for most android phones..)
Then there was the rumour of HTC new line up coming soon, but hey new phones come out all the time, and you can't wait forever.. anyway my contract with vodafone would end pretty soon and i had to act fast..
but like i said before, i'm really happy with it. I'm a linux fan and pretty well educated in IT so started messing with it the second day i got it , rooted it, installed several different mods just to try them out.. i'm still amazed what's possible with it.. (today i tried the 'PicMe' app for the first time, which let you view and control the device through any browser.. amazing)
anyway very happy it and i'm sure you're friend would be too...
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and to react on all the cons noted above:
battery live is what i expected from talking to friends owning android phones (and iPhones for that matter..), i just hook it up to the recharger every night anyway... but mostly end up with 30-40% left and the end of the day , and im using it pretty intense atm, just trying out new stuff all day long
and mods not being smooth : I'm running CM7 now, with data2sd mod and its running perfectly smooth for me (with the stock SD).. but might get a faster (&bigger) SD one day, but no complaints from me at all..
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Belive me, I have tried all of the Desire HD/Z ports available, even since november when they started to show up. I have tried all kinds of tweaks, some of them that you haven't even heard of probably. Ext2 which is supposed to be faster, ext4 without journal, ext partition alignment, ownhere's data2ext version (2ext partitions), patched sqlite, overclock, undervolted kernel + overclock, I even bought a class 6 card especially for this. I always rolled back to leedroid. Belive me, I have tried them all, they are still ports not optimized for desire and never will run smoothly.
I really have hopes for gingerbread, but for sense 2.0, no chance.
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Oh, i believe you of course. And, really, i don't know why the same phone reacts so different for different people. But for me, i found my winner - and it's sense 2!
I have no lags after unlocking the screen, scrolling in long lists, switching the tasks or whatsoever. I have no cause to go back to sense 1. Leedroid wasn't stable for me as wasn't RCMixHD. I think everyone has to test it by him/herself what's the best ROM - but hey, that's why we are on Android and not iOS, right?
lvnatic said:
Old phone already, I doubt that even gingerbread will be availabe as an OTA update, not even mentioning sense 2.0 because of the low internal memory.
So,
Cons: old device, probably no more support from htc, probably no ginger and most likely no sense 2.0 and custom ROMs with it will never be...
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HTC confirmed the GB update & Sense 2 for it. ATM using sense 2 with a custom ROM, and if you know-how, a custom ROM can be faster&smother than the stock. At least in my case is.
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My Pro & Cons views on HTC Desire
Pros: Decent screen size, LED flash, variety of ROMs after flashing making it rather silly not to flash , Flashing solves quite a number of problems. My 'light' usage normally drops to 30-40% near the end of the day but flashing a good kernel manage to keep it up to 60s . Decent speakers.
Cons:
a)Low int memory (Solvable by flashing- you need to know the difference. )
b)Low batt life (This is such a cheap comment I don't even consider it as a con and neither should you, I don't get why some losers keep trolling about practically ALL the smartphones just because they weren't designed to last that long or maybe they didn't put such a big battery for a reason. Pregnant smartphones...)
c)Hot when using phone while charging. (Not sure if it is a general issue)
d)Difficult back cover. (If no protection, the plastic lens is sitting on table and supposably it's a bad thing. More exposed to scratches and can ruin shots)
Hard to open as well if no nails (mine has scratches lol I got no nails)
e) Proprietary micro usb charger is not covered. Glhf with dust if you work in a dirty area (with lotta dust)
f) Power button extremely easy to press. Over-sensitive. (Solvable by reducing screen off timer by 15s or so, if you use a good rom, it lets you go lower for lock-screens )
g) Wifi reception is weak. (Tested with a friend's N8, has 2 bar while I got none, has full bar while I have 2-3 -_-, I changed a lot of radios, difference never really hit more than over a bar)
h) Idk why they put speakers at the back, srsly. Lol.
i) tbc
Since rooting a few months ago I have been using Starburst with Data2SD. It's brilliant, I have 1gb free for apps and even loading everything I want it's still got space free. Cheers DZ and Sibere Removes my one complaint about the HTC Desire.
Anyway, quite fancy some Gingerbread and also try out some of the Sense 3.0 stuff people are porting, had a go with Supernova but it's a bit slow compared to Starburst ( not a criticism as I know it's early in development ) so looking around at others ROM's Data2SD is not very popular.
A2SD+ still is in favour but I run out of space before getting all my apps on, Data++ needs me to S-OFF, and also looks more complicated to setup, mutiple partitions etc. Can't find a good explanation of Data2ext and Data2we as yet.
Just wondered why is Data2SD not so popular? Am i missing something?
Cheers
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Since rooting a few months ago I have been using Starburst with Data2SD. It's brilliant, I have 1gb free for apps and even loading everything I want it's still got space free. Cheers DZ and Sibere Removes my one complaint about the HTC Desire.
Anyway, quite fancy some Gingerbread and also try out some of the Sense 3.0 stuff people are porting, had a go with Supernova but it's a bit slow compared to Starburst ( not a criticism as I know it's early in development ) so looking around at others ROM's Data2SD is not very popular.
A2SD+ still is in favour but I run out of space before getting all my apps on, Data++ needs me to S-OFF, and also looks more complicated to setup, mutiple partitions etc. Can't find a good explanation of Data2ext and Data2we as yet.
Just wondered why is Data2SD not so popular? Am i missing something?
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Am not sure on this also. Using data2sd is the number one thing, that make's my desire great, without it i'll be lost.
All this App2SD+ is not really that good, you still use all your internal, befor ext3 is used.
I love the fact I have 2GB internal space and not having to worry, about not enough space. Every RoM should have this Data2SD I think
I was a big fan of DATA2SD but it lacks wide compatibility with ROMs: now I'm more than satisfied with CM7 Hboot + Dalvik on sd-ext: got to have over 250 apps installed and still 50 MB in internal.
AFAIK:
- Speed: Most of the time internal memory is faster.
- Corruption: I read that Android does not unmount /data cleanly, so there is a chance of data corruption. Am i still right on this?
I haven't managed to get data2sd working on my phone yet but apps2sd+ is working nicely.
I don't need heaps installed on my phone but have a fair few apps that I want and it seems to be working ok with a apps2sd+ setup.
I have read mixed things about data2sd regarding corruption possible, and also confused about speed as I read that the sd can be faster (probably depending on class?) than internal, and also that internal is faster than sd - so I'm confused
but my phone is working ok at the moment!
SuperNova will probably work a lot better when the official release comes out for Gingerbread
My phone feels faster using Data2sd, and certainly the quadrant scores of 2000+ are much higher than the wife's stock Desire. As for corruption, yes I have, when I have pulled the battery for some reason. Not had a problem for months though.
Regular Nandroid and scheduled titanium backups cover that off anyway.
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My phone feels faster using Data2sd, and certainly the quadrant scores of 2000+ are much higher than the wife's stock Desire. As for corruption, yes I have, when I have pulled the battery for some reason. Not had a problem for months though.
Regular Nandroid and scheduled titanium backups cover that off anyway.
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You do know that these quadrant scores are fake, don't you? I'm quite happy with a2sd and cm7 hboot gingersense roms
I don't think that I would ever sacrifice my data to get more apps
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I appreciate the quadrant scores aren't accurate as they change everytime I run it, but the phone feels faster and smoother.
Any links to the fake quadrant score stuff?
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I have been using data2sd for about one year, and never had data loss or even a single force close of an app.
My phone always runs very fast and smooth, cant say its faster than stock because I wasn't on stock long enough,but I did have lots of force close's on app2sd+ leedroid
Everyones perfect ROM is going to be different, so here are a list of things I wanted before i set on my search for my ageing desire.
1. Smooth and responsive UI, not fussed about quadrant speeds etc.
2. Good battery life. I'm quite a heavy user, so never gonna get more than a day anyway. Screen is always the heaviest user of my battery.
3. Stability, who doesnt!
4. Plenty of free space to install loads of apps.
I was already a big fan of Go Launcher/SMS/Contacts/Keyboard, so sense isnt a big issue for me. So I tried loads of roms and during the process found some other things I just couldnt live without.
5. Sense weather lockscreen. Love it, swinging the ring around the screen makes a great stress toy!
6. Sense quick settings, the full list not just a handful.
7. Extended power menu, booting straight into recovery is great.
I'm currently using Sebastians Runnymead v5 rom with ad2sdx and ticks my box in all areas. There is a slight question mark over stability tho, i had a couple of freezes on v4.8 and some corruption on the ext4 partition.
Hopefully these have gone in v5.
I have an HTC Desire Amoled Soff, 8gig Samsung class 10 SD card (with only a 6Mb/s write speed, wtf? but 20+Mb/s read.) 123MB free RAM, 485MB free ROM(love it!) and 40 apps installed.
Can anyone else suggest a better ROM for me?
Thanks.
AOSP is always going to be a good choice but you say sense is not an issue, but from your list of requirements, it is...
does USB-mode work for u on this ROM?
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AOSP is always going to be a good choice but you say sense is not an issue, but from your list of requirements, it is...
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Lol, very true. I was using Oxygen for a while and had no complaints at all, until I found my bluetooth headset and wanted to press the button and say the name of who i wanted to call. Not sure if that feature was implemented, but I never could get it working.
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does USB-mode work for u on this ROM?
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Just tested it and yes it does. However, I do seem to recall that I had problems with that a couple of days ago, although it might have been on a previous release.
Try LeeDroid 3.3.3 HD port. I'm loving it... Ticks all your boxes with the sense 3 patch.
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My perfect rom...
I love the speed of CM7.1 and its clean interface. very slick, and would have it as my permanent ROM if if had the D2SD scripts that supernova 2.4.0.0 has.
I do love some of the things sense has, like the gallery app that connects to facebook and the clock, but if CM 7.1 had the integrated d2sd that supernova has then I could east live without sense...
You know you can add data2sd to most ROMS anyway?
yeah iu know, but i really dont have the time at the moment to mess about too much.
i like how starburst just works "out the box".....
maybe when i have a little time i will look into it and put together my own custom rom....
Redux v2.0 for sure my friend. It's stable, fast and very smooth. Very good battery life and no fc's. I'm using it for the last months and before this rom I was on redux 1.2 Just give it a try. Some tips are dalvik to ext, launcher pro plus and fancy widget 1.3.0 if you like Htc clock widget.
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I try Evolutionary Sense and is very good rom. Fast, stable whit many apps from the market, rich of all kind of widget.
The gingerbread 2.3.3 based on ACE kernel is most usable than the stock rom.
For me it's the best.
I'm sorry that this ROM has no update for over 2-3 months.
Than i used CyanogenMod whit good impressive but, i think, the Desire without Sense is about a thing like donut without hole. !!
Now i test MIUI-XJ from 2 days. It's too late to make a review but i see the good stability, speed and very nice.
Bye.
You must to try MIUI. Seriously.
dropmagilla said:
I have an HTC Desire Amoled Soff, 8gig Samsung class 10 SD card (with only a 6Mb/s write speed, wtf? but 20+Mb/s read.)
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lol...my 8gig samsung class 6 hcsd has the same read and write speeds...
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lol...my 8gig samsung class 6 hcsd has the same read and write speeds...
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Well yeah as the desire was initially only designed to work with class 4-6 cards, many class 10's only perform as a class 6 too.
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Well yeah as the desire was initially only designed to work with class 4-6 cards, many class 10's only perform as a class 6 too.
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reallly? well you stopped me from buying a class 10. thanks.
Some work. Terepin here reports A-Data class 10 gets class 10 speeds.
I can report that Kingston Class 10's only get Class 6 speeds.
Although class 10 is a good investment for the future though, but probably cheaper then anyway
We’ve heard your feedback on our decision not to update the HTC Desire HD to Android 4.0. We completely understand that this is a controversial decision.
For more background, due to how storage on the HTC Desire HD is partitioned – and the larger size of Android 4.0 – it would require re-partitioning device storage and overwriting user data in order to install this update. While technically advanced users might find this solution acceptable, the majority of customers would not. We also considered ways to reduce the overall size of the software package, but this would impact features and functionality that customers are currently using. Even after installing the update, there were other technical limitations which we felt negatively impacted the user experience.
We believe an update should always improve the user experience and carefully evaluate each update based on this criteria. While we are very aware of the disappointment from this decision, we believe the impact to user experience was too great. We recognize this is a change from our previous statement and for that we’re truly sorry.
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Link.
So I see DHD forums are moar or less in the same state these forums were a year ago.
We have petitions, we probably have nerds who ain't buyin another HTC phone evar. DHD never got official ICS update, as Desire never got GB. I'll give them that
As usual, I'm with the big bad company on this.
EDIT: gawd dang, I just saw what I did here - another useless ICS thread >.>
You spammer...
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So now it's possible to have full working ics for desire? I hope porting it will be not too difficult because desire and dhd are similar, they only differ for a HD after desire!
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erklat said:
Link.
So I see DHD forums are moar or less in the same state these forums were a year ago.
We have petitions, we probably have nerds who ain't buyin another HTC phone evar. DHD never got official ICS update, as Desire never got GB. I'll give them that
As usual, I'm with the big bad company on this.
EDIT: gawd dang, I just saw what I did here - another useless ICS thread >.>
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Yup, totally agreed.
Standard users would never understand a full wipe due to repartioning. The other issue is the battery, to small...period. When HTC said "other technical limitations" I'm sure this was one. Sure, XDA got ics onto the HD, congrats, bet we hear noob complaints about battery, lag, etc.
The one thing they ****could**** do is the same they did for us, a stripped down ics ROM with "reduced functionality" released on HTC dev. That should placate the power users, the rest.....will not even notice.
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If HTC gives in, then yes there will probably a developer edition of ICS for DHD. But how many DHD users are there now compared to Desire users last year when we were in the same situation? Is their number enough to make HTC reconsider?
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paolo-red1 said:
So now it's possible to have full working ics for desire? I hope porting it will be not too difficult because desire and dhd are similar, they only differ for a HD after desire!
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Desire HD has adreno 205. When we had ports based on GB we still had drivers, now no matter what we won't get them so project butter, hw acceleration and the rest of the drool material will most likely remain in dreams of those who wish to use Desire for next 10-15yrs.
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Standard users would never understand a full wipe due to repartioning.
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^
Furthermore all potential issues that could arise from such procedure, I wouldn't want to be in shoes of the customer support when that happens. One has to know demographic structure behind those petitions and rage most easily explained if we draw a simple analogy to this board - out of 500 people say who frequent this board 50 people use either sense or aosp variant of something made for Desire and 450 use something else and are willing to argue whether it works 70% or 73%. Neither is 100.
I hope HTC got their grip together with making phones with 500 or 768 mb roms and promising software updates for any period of time while they oversaw the rate those updates are going to grow in size.
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erklat said:
Desire HD has adreno 205. When we had ports based on GB we still had drivers, now no matter what we won't get them so project butter, hw acceleration and the rest of the drool material will most likely remain in dreams of those who wish to use Desire for next 10-15yrs.
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Furthermore all potential issues that could arise from such procedure, I wouldn't want to be in shoes of the customer support when that happens. One has to know demographic structure behind those petitions and rage most easily explained if we draw a simple analogy to this board - out of 500 people say who frequent this board 50 people use either sense or aosp variant of something made for Desire and 450 use something else and are willing to argue whether it works 70% or 73%. Neither is 100.
I hope HTC got their grip together with making phones with 500 or 768 mb roms and promising software updates for any period of time while they oversaw the rate those updates are going to grow in size.
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Agreed again,
HTC always designs things a bit close for confort, or to put it in a pocketnow writers words "they always design their phones with at least one fatal flaw.".
I believe things are getting better though, for example the sensation had almost 2gb reserved for the various system partions, the entire one series has close to 4gb (couldn't be bothered to look up the actual partions...irrevelvant anyways). Some noobs on the One V forum were complaining about the partion sizes as close to 2gb are literally unused at this time. To me, that means room for future updates (though with only 512mb of ram.....how good? Hence the one tragic flaw arguement).
I messed with sense 2.1, 3.0, 2.1 / 3.0 hybrids, 3.5, etc but since May I am back to gb with sense 1.9. The only combo that really works on our desires.
I wish the current devs well, new things are always fun, but if you want a truelly functioning daily driver running the best our hardware is capable of, that is gingerbread with old sense, or aosp........period.
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I messed with sense 2.1, 3.0, 2.1 / 3.0 hybrids, 3.5, etc but since May I am back to gb with sense 1.9. The only combo that really works on our desires.
I wish the current devs well, new things are always fun, but if you want a truelly functioning daily driver running the best our hardware is capable of, that is gingerbread with old sense, or aosp........period.
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Hear hear, opinion I always advocated. I doubt you'd have much success getting it to the puny minds in an ics related hysteria these days.
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Desire HD has adreno 205. When we had ports based on GB we still had drivers, now no matter what we won't get them so project butter, hw acceleration and the rest of the drool material will most likely remain in dreams of those who wish to use Desire for next 10-15yrs.
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Erklat you delude me, I was sarcastic
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Ha ha...I think HTC just copied the message from the announcement regarding the Desire and pasted it into the DHD one.
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Erklat you delude me, I was sarcastic
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I have repented and am back on the path of righteousness.
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I have repented and am back on the path of righteousness.
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...as long as I have enough sarcastic and ironic toughts about funny people here on forum...
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hey there
I've just ordered a captivate glide. hopefully it should arrive sometime this week.
I've noticed that there isn't alot of custom roms available for this phone. I'm using a sony xperia mini pro at the moment, and there is a whole lot of custom roms available for this, including stable cyanogen 9.1 ics, and even 10.0 jb is coming along quite nicely as well.
I thought because this is a fairly decent android phone with a keyboard that it would attract alot of hackers and developers.
I live in New Zealand so the likes of motorola droid 4 isn't available to us. this is the best keyboard android phone i could get, hopefully it's as good as I'd hoped
Yes in terms of hardware it belongs to the s2 family and the slide keyboard is an absolute beauty.
Custom rom's are not that much available for it now as the dev has just started a month ago when samsung released the ICS sources. We do have a couple of GB and ICS stable roms in the dev section. Also dman is working on bringing aosp, cm9 and cm10 on the device with pre-alpha builts already around.
Welcome to the glide community.
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dman will be getting his Glide today, everyone know what that means
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Yes in terms of hardware it belongs to the s2 family and the slide keyboard is an absolute beauty.
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I've seen this said alot. Is there really enough similarities to warrant the comparison? We have the same screen and a similar radio, that's... about it. The Glide is closer to a Galaxy R really.
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I've seen this said alot. Is there really enough similarities to warrant the comparison? We have the same screen and a similar radio, that's... about it. The Glide is closer to a Galaxy R really.
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Well I don't really go into that much details.. it was introduced as galaxy s series. Anyway if you think it more closer to galaxy R then maybe you are right.
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Well I don't really go into that much details.. it was introduced as galaxy s series. Anyway if you think it more closer to galaxy R then maybe you are right.
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I believe a lot of people state its closer to the S2 because of the Dual core processor which the Galaxy r does not have. Other then the Dual Core it does match the galaxy R.
Same amoled screen, same radio, dual core and same 8mp camera.. what else do we look for in a phone.. unless you are trying to match the chipset and the proc to the same specifications amd make
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Same amoled screen, same radio, dual core and same 8mp camera.. what else do we look for in a phone.. unless you are trying to match the chipset and the proc to the same specifications amd make
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I think that's kinda misleading because internally, they're night-and-day different. The Glide is basically Galaxy S2 on the outside, Galaxy R on the inside, strongly representing both pedigrees but ultimately belonging to neither.
Where it counts, the actual hardware that the kernel and ROM needs to drive, the Glide is a tougher, more stable Galaxy R with a keyboard and a better radio. And since we're talking about ROMs, that's the more relevant comparison.
Just compared technically on gsmarena and i agree in terms of the Chipset, CPU and GPU the glide matches with galaxy R. In terms of outer looks, screen and camera it resembles more of S2.
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Just compared technically on gsmarena and i agree in terms of the Chipset, CPU and GPU the glide matches with galaxy R. In terms of outer looks, screen and camera it resembles more of S2.
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Not to hijack the OP's thread, too late already, I know, but hijacking the hijack ...
How much aggravation is it to flip ROMs around? In terms of app / data restore afterwards?
(Link to the 'restoration' process?)
I ask as, as a new Glide owner, I am considering going to the leaked ICS version and applying the listed fixes.
But I know I'll then have to reinstall any play. apps (I'm hoping for a one button 'restore my apps' button, perhaps somewhere on play.google?), any app data, probably reenter settings and other fiddly data bits. If I have music on the sd card and remove it during the migration process, presumably it will just be found when reinserted post-migration.
- I'm assuming going to JB will likely eventually be an upgrade, not a replace process.
But if a fixed (keyboard light, etc.) ICS is likely to be coming within a month (or two?), it almost seems better to wait to migrate rather than go through the expected level of aggravation multiple times.
Thoughts? Links?
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Not to hijack the OP's thread, too late already, I know, but hijacking the hijack ...
How much aggravation is it to flip ROMs around? In terms of app / data restore afterwards?
(Link to the 'restoration' process?)
I ask as, as a new Glide owner, I am considering going to the leaked ICS version and applying the listed fixes.
But I know I'll then have to reinstall any play. apps (I'm hoping for a one button 'restore my apps' button, perhaps somewhere on play.google?), any app data, probably reenter settings and other fiddly data bits. If I have music on the sd card and remove it during the migration process, presumably it will just be found when reinserted post-migration.
- I'm assuming going to JB will likely eventually be an upgrade, not a replace process.
But if a fixed (keyboard light, etc.) ICS is likely to be coming within a month (or two?), it almost seems better to wait to migrate rather than go through the expected level of aggravation multiple times.
Thoughts? Links?
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Thanks for the hijacking warning .. happens all the time:angel:
I would suggest you to get NardROM or LiteRom which are both based on the ICS leak minus the at&t bloatware and both already have inbuilt fixes for backlight etc. I'm personally ran both and currently running LiteROM for quite a while now and due to the custom kernel i find the battery life very good on thisLiteROM. Also once you've everything setup with your apps, do a nandroid backup and keep it safe. After this you can keep trying various ROMs available here and restore back your nandroid backup. But once you change a ROM to another, there is no easy way to get all your apps back in one shot and its a pain. Hope this helps.
bs27975 said:
Not to hijack the OP's thread, too late already, I know, but hijacking the hijack ...
How much aggravation is it to flip ROMs around? In terms of app / data restore afterwards?
(Link to the 'restoration' process?)
I ask as, as a new Glide owner, I am considering going to the leaked ICS version and applying the listed fixes.
But I know I'll then have to reinstall any play. apps (I'm hoping for a one button 'restore my apps' button, perhaps somewhere on play.google?), any app data, probably reenter settings and other fiddly data bits. If I have music on the sd card and remove it during the migration process, presumably it will just be found when reinserted post-migration.
- I'm assuming going to JB will likely eventually be an upgrade, not a replace process.
But if a fixed (keyboard light, etc.) ICS is likely to be coming within a month (or two?), it almost seems better to wait to migrate rather than go through the expected level of aggravation multiple times.
Thoughts? Links?
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FYI, dman is working on bringing CM10 (which is JB) to the Glide right now. He even bought a Glide, he said he expects it to arrive sometime today, so development will start moving a LOT faster once it's in his hands. I expect a mostly-usable CM10 beta before the end of the year; you may want to wait for that.
And bs27975, some homework for you: learn about Titanium Backup, and Nandroid backups. The contents of the SD are usually left intact during ROM flashing.
The process usually goes something like: backup in Titanium, reboot in CWM, make Nandroid backup (just in case), flash new ROM, then as applicable wipe user data, install Titanium, restore apps, their data and settings from Titanium.