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Porting Android To Non-htc Smartphones Can It Be Done???

Well I like the HTC manufactured sony ericsson xperia X1 but I really LOVE THE SAMSUNG I900 OMNIA!!!!!
Is it possible to port android to any windows mobile device with these specs???:
Network: quad-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE + HSDPA 7.2Mbps
Wireless: stereo Bluetooth (A2DP), WiFi
Display: 3.2-inch WQVGA (240×400 pixels) touchscreen
Camera: 5 megapixels with auto-focus, featuring face and smile detection as well as auto-panorama shots
OS/UI: Windows Mobile 6.1 with Samsung's widget-friendly TouchWiz user interface running on top of it
CPU: Marvell 624MHz (*update*)
Other: built-in GPS, accelerometer for auto-rotation, optical mouse
Two models will be sold: 8GB and 16GB, that can further be expanded with microSD memory cards
what makes HTC phones different in terms of running android??? isn't samsung in the android alliance with google??

Samsung is also with the LiMo solutions. I agree, the Samsung OMNIA looks real good. I have the SCH-i760 and it is acting up big time and I am not getting my calls from my Doctors or Nurses so it's bad.

How good is the Desire GPU?

Hi,
Compared to the other phones, how good is the GPU on the Desire?
How many triangles per sec can it do?
Does anyone know?

The Snapdragon Processor (QSD8250- Desire's processor) does 22 million triangles per second

irkan said:
The Snapdragon Processor (QSD8250- Desire's processor) does 22 million triangles per second
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And it's GPU(not CPU) is slower for about 25% than iPhone's 3Gs

benko286 said:
And it's GPU(not CPU) is slower for about 25% than iPhone's 3Gs
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the "GPU" comes with the Qualcomm SnapDragon Chip-set (processor). its not a stand alone unit!!

I thought I read somewhere that there was a dedicated GPU on it.

http://www.qualcomm.com/products_services/chipsets/snapdragon.html#specs
Technical Features for QSD8x50 chipsets
The QSD8x50 platform consists of the QSD8250™ which supports GSM, GPRS, EDGE, HSPA networks while the QSD8650™ supports CDMA2000 1X, 1xEV-DO Rel 0/A/B, GSM, GPRS, EDGE and HSPA networks. Both chipsets include:
1 GHz CPU
600MHz DSP
Integrated 3G mobile broadband
Support for Wi-Fi® and Bluetooth® connectivity
Built-in seventh-generation gpsOne® engine with Standalone-GPS and Assisted-GPS modes
High-definition (720p) video decode, and multiple video codec support
High-performance 3D graphics – up to 22M triangles/sec and 133M 3D pixels/sec
High-resolution up to WXGA (1280x720) display support
12-megapixel camera support
Multiple audio codecs: (AAC+, eAAC+, AMR, FR, EFR, HR, WB-AMR, G.729a, G.711, AAC stereo encode)
Support for mobile broadcast TV (MediaFLO™, DVB-H and ISDB-T)
Support for Windows Mobile®, Android, and a number of Linux®-based operating systems
Qualcomm’s hybrid mode alternative solution
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irkan said:
the "GPU" comes with the Qualcomm SnapDragon Chipest (processor). its not a stand alone unit!!
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Yeah but it's slower than iPhone's...

Dont worry, even if it is a bit slower, you dot a lot more
- sd card
- multitasking
- customization
- etc.
benko286 said:
Yeah but it's slower than iPhone's...
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http://androidandme.com/2010/03/new...bird-chip-to-have-3x-gpu-power-of-snapdragon/
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Here is a GPU comparison for some of the leading smartphones:
* Motorola Droid: TI OMAP3430 with PowerVR SGX530 = 7 million(?) triangles/sec
* Nexus One: Qualcomm QSD8×50 with Adreno 200 = 22 million triangles/sec
* iPhone 3G S: 600 MHz Cortex-A8 with PowerVR SGX535 = 28 million triangles/sec
* Samsung Galaxy S: S5PC110 with PowerVR SGX540 = 90 million triangles/sec
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benko286 said:
Yeah but it's slower than iPhone's...
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Yes It's slower but what do you want to do with this phone - to play Crysis on it ? I think that all games will works smooth and fine.

Haha ... nice one
Btw, do you like "indomie" ?
Indomitable said:
Yes It's slower but what do you want to do with this phone - to play Crysis on it ? I think that all games will works smooth and fine.
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gizz68erz said:
http://androidandme.com/2010/03/new...bird-chip-to-have-3x-gpu-power-of-snapdragon/
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Here is a GPU comparison for some of the leading smartphones:
* Motorola Droid: TI OMAP3430 with PowerVR SGX530 = 7 million(?) triangles/sec
* Nexus One: Qualcomm QSD8×50 with Adreno 200 = 22 million triangles/sec
* iPhone 3G S: 600 MHz Cortex-A8 with PowerVR SGX535 = 28 million triangles/sec
* Samsung Galaxy S: S5PC110 with PowerVR SGX540 = 90 million triangles/sec
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I just don't know How they make these tests here it's an article that says
iPhone 3GS makes only 5.2 million triangles
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,2845,2349515,00.asp
and the link in glbenchmark
http://www.glbenchmark.com/compare.jsp?benchmark=glpro11&showhide=true&D1=Apple iPhone 3G S
I think that bad results for HTC don't come from Snapdragon chipset but from crappy video drivers from HTC.
I want to add one more thing : This articles says :
And for comparison a few consoles:
PS3: 250 million triangles/sec
Xbox 360: 500 million triangles/sec
Xbox 360 has 2x more triangles per sec than PS3 - Do you think that it has better graphics - I don't think so .
Ooops I found another comparison : http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2557695/googles_nexus_one_vs_the_iphone_3gs.html?cat=15
Here Nexus One beats iPhone.
One iPhone's review says 28 million, other 5-7 million I don't have an iPhone I can't tell which is right but I every review says Nexus One do 22 million triangles which is better for me

desire
i have an desire and i admit it sucks. No matter how fast the cpu are the graphics simply are too poor. It cant play highresolution videos and normal videos lags. Games like assains creed and other 3d games lags too .

bestefarogjeg said:
i have an desire and i admit it sucks. No matter how fast the cpu are the graphics simply are too poor. It cant play highresolution videos and normal videos lags. Games like assains creed and other 3d games lags too .
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If a game lags its the game not your phone.
Compare Homerun 3d battle on the desire to the 3gs it looks way better on desire and runs perfectly smooth.
So I really don't think these numbers mean much.

some games like asphalt 5 got much framedrops due to poor programming of gameloft.

bestefarogjeg said:
i have an desire and i admit it sucks. No matter how fast the cpu are the graphics simply are too poor. It cant play highresolution videos and normal videos lags. Games like assains creed and other 3d games lags too .
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Haven't got a clue what is wrong with your desire but be concerned that it can't play videos smooth.. mine plays 720p mp4 videos at 10mbps without a hitch and that's not even overclocked..

The only good looking 3d games i found to work great, were those of polarbit, tried asphalt 5 from gameloft but that just was barely playable and at times not playable.

All these discussions about games, how old are you? Games is not fun and if you wanna play games you do it on your computer or a pocket device like PSP or that Nintendo DS or something.

ArtieQ said:
All these discussions about games, how old are you?
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Yes, because of course only children play games. I mean, it's not like it's a multi-billion dollar worldwide industry or that the current average age of gamers is 35 or anything. Even if that was true, who are you to tell people what they should care about or want their phone to be capable of? Your attitude here is a total disgrace and your patronising nonsense is utterly uncalled for.
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Games is not fun
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Games aren't fun? Really? Given that the entire point of a game, indeed the only reason it exists, is to create 'fun' for the user this is an amazingly stupid statement to make. It's like saying that the sky isn't blue or water isn't wet.
If you find that games aren't fun then you're doing it wrong. Or just playing crap games I suppose.
ArtieQ said:
and if you wanna play games you do it on your computer or a pocket device like PSP or that Nintendo DS or something.
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Aaand we're back to being patronising again. People can play games anywhere at any time and on any device they want, it's not up to you to dicate what devices someone should be able to use. If developers know they can come to the Android market and make money developing games then it'll attract even more support to the platform in general which helps everyone, including you; so being so dismissive of an entire aspect of software development is short-sighted as well as patronising.

Medulla said:
Aaand we're back to being patronising again. People can play games anywhere at any time and on any device they want, it's not up to you to dicate what devices someone should be able to use. If developers know they can come to the Android market and make money developing games then it'll attract even more support to the platform in general which helps everyone, including you; so being so dismissive of an entire aspect of software development is short-sighted as well as patronising.
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Your missing the entire point, you cant buy a mobile phone and moan that its 3d graphics capability is below par, abviously when quallcomm made the snapdragon, its 3D processing ability was made for programming not gaming, more to run 3D ui's and what not, otherwise they would of included a dedicated gpu and vram, so the above point still stands, if you wana play games on the move buy a ds or psp not a mobile phone lol

[Q] what is tegra, powervr, snapdragon, qualcomm,..?? can anyone explain in brief??

can anyone explain in brief that what is tegra, powervr, qualcomm, snapdragon... i want to run dungeon hunter on my wildfire and i ahve read many reviews about tegra and powervr but i am still unable to understand..can anyone help...???

Tegra, developed by Nvidia, is a system-on-a-chip series for mobile devices such as smartphones, personal digital assistants, and mobile Internet devices. The Tegra integrates the ARM architecture processor central processing unit (CPU), graphics processing unit (GPU), northbridge, southbridge, and memory controller onto one package. The series emphasizes low power consumption and high performance for playing audio and video.
Qualcomm (NASDAQ: QCOM) is an American global telecommunication corporation that designs, manufactures and markets digital wireless telecommunications products and services based on its code division multiple access (CDMA) technology and other technologies. Headquartered in San Diego, CA, USA. The company operates through four segments: Qualcomm CDMA Technologies (QCT); Qualcomm Technology Licensing (QTL); Qualcomm Wireless & Internet (QWI), and Qualcomm Strategic Initiatives (QSI).
PowerVR is a division of Imagination Technologies (formerly VideoLogic) that develops hardware and software for 2D and 3D rendering, and for video encoding, decoding, associated image processing and Direct X, OpenGL ES, OpenVG, and OpenCL acceleration.
Snapdragon is a family of mobile system on chips by Qualcomm. Qualcomm considers Snapdragon a "platform" for use in smartphones, tablets, and smartbook devices.
The Snapdragon application processor core, dubbed Scorpion, is Qualcomm's own design. It has many features similar to those of the ARM Cortex-A8 core and it is based on the ARM v7 instruction set, but theoretically has much higher performance for multimedia-related SIMD operations.
I did not understand your question btw.
Our little wildfire has no GPU so you probably wont be able to run high-end games smoothly!

yash_p90 said:
Tegra, developed by Nvidia, is a system-on-a-chip series for mobile devices such as smartphones, personal digital assistants, and mobile Internet devices. The Tegra integrates the ARM architecture processor central processing unit (CPU), graphics processing unit (GPU), northbridge, southbridge, and memory controller onto one package. The series emphasizes low power consumption and high performance for playing audio and video.
Qualcomm (NASDAQ: QCOM) is an American global telecommunication corporation that designs, manufactures and markets digital wireless telecommunications products and services based on its code division multiple access (CDMA) technology and other technologies. Headquartered in San Diego, CA, USA. The company operates through four segments: Qualcomm CDMA Technologies (QCT); Qualcomm Technology Licensing (QTL); Qualcomm Wireless & Internet (QWI), and Qualcomm Strategic Initiatives (QSI).
PowerVR is a division of Imagination Technologies (formerly VideoLogic) that develops hardware and software for 2D and 3D rendering, and for video encoding, decoding, associated image processing and Direct X, OpenGL ES, OpenVG, and OpenCL acceleration.
Snapdragon is a family of mobile system on chips by Qualcomm. Qualcomm considers Snapdragon a "platform" for use in smartphones, tablets, and smartbook devices.
The Snapdragon application processor core, dubbed Scorpion, is Qualcomm's own design. It has many features similar to those of the ARM Cortex-A8 core and it is based on the ARM v7 instruction set, but theoretically has much higher performance for multimedia-related SIMD operations.
I did not understand your question btw.
Our little wildfire has no GPU so you probably wont be able to run high-end games smoothly!
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can chainfire 3d solve this problem??

wild[email protected] said:
can chainfire 3d solve this problem??
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How can it work on our wildfire. It is for devices which HAVE a GPU!!
And Chainfire3D has been tested only on:
- HTC HD2 (2.3.3 / NAND)
- Samsung Galaxy S (2.3.3)
- Samsung Galaxy Tab 7" (2.3.3)
- Samsung Galaxy S II (2.3.3)
- Motorola Atrix 4G (2.2.1)
- Motorola Droid 2
- LG Optimus 2X (2.3.4)
MOREOVER, Chainfire3D is for 1ghz+ devices only
So..I hope you get your answer!
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Read this:
Chainfire3D is an intermediary OpenGL driver. What does that mean? It means that Chainfire3D sits between your apps and the graphics drivers, and can intercept and/or change commands between the two. It has some built-in functions, and can be further extended with plugins to provide extra functionality.

Decoding H.265 10-bit ?

Hi, does Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro (Snapdragon 636) support hardware decoding H.265 10bit videos ?
thanks.

Yes it does.

Sure ? for a video 10bit ?
Because a Snapdragon 625 can't play HEVC 10bit video with HW decode.

ARM CPUs doesn't support hardware decoding of HEVC files. You will have to rely on software decoding.

Be careful with what you say. Technically no CPU does hardware decode of video VPUs take care of that (and GPUs but sometimes the VPU is included in the GPU as a separate sector). SoCs do hardware decode of hevc.
The Qualcomm flagship SoCs have had ten bit hardware decode since the 820. Mediatek had it on many of its chips, both flagship and mid-range (and I think low-range too) but not all of them and they stopped advertising which ones do and which don't. Kirin 960 doesn't but I don't know if the 970 does.
The mid-range Qualcomm chips are confusing. The 625 and 650 don't but the 660 does. So it should be safe to assume that anything newer above the 660 does but who knows about newer chips that are lower on the spectrum.
I know this does not answer whether the 636 supports it but it does show it's possible and we should wait for someone who can actually test it.
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ARM CPUs doesn't support hardware decoding of HEVC files. You will have to rely on software decoding.
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Yes, it is capable to. I have tried Jellyfish video, 120 Mbps 4K UHD HEVC 10 bit. This is a super deadly combo. SD636 plays it smoothly using H/W or H/W+ decoder in MX Player (1.9.24). At the 140 Mbps 4K UHD HEVC 10 bit with TrueHD 5.1 sound, only H/W+, H/W not supported (seems missing audio codec). As long as one decoder works, it is playable.
At SD625 (RN4), even the lowest 3 Mbps HD HEVC 10 bit video there, already lag and dropped to S/W, can't decode in H/W nor H/W+. This is also something that SD820 can't do in its time. SD820 is capable (hardware), but a lot of vendor messed it up and don't put the proper software/codec to decode it.
In SD636, finally we have the hardware and software/codec enough to basically decode any video. (I haven't tried 4:4:4 video though) It should hold up for quite long until the new video standard (AV1) becomes mainstream. And by that time, you probably have upgraded to newer phone.
Additional info :
Same 120 Mbps video, switch to S/W, immediately black screen. So the VPU/DSP is powerful enough, but the CPU is not capable to pull the 4K. But S/W still can play 90 Mbps FHD HEVC 10 bit, not smooth though. And you don't want to play video using S/W, it will kill your CPU and battery. (At my previous phone test, H/W or H/W+ gives 8 hours but S/W only 3 hours playtime.) I don't try any bitrate above that, since we rarely have content with such a very high bitrate. At that kind of bitrate, we would run out of storage first. (30 seconds video already 500 MB; 2 hours movie will be 120 GB!!!)
Other RN5 users are welcomed to do the test. To get the sense on whether it is smooth or lag, try the same video at other SD625/SD820 phone. Or at RN5, try FHD video below 90 Mbps and switch to S/W decoder. Other SD636 phone should be capable the same, but I only tried at RN5.
Here is the link to the jelly fish video : http://jell.yfish.us

Pinephone Retail Release Phone

Since I couldn't find a post up for the model and I'll likely be putting up a look at it once I get it in. And hacking away at the OS load-out! The modifications of which it'd be nice to post somewhere with a community interested in small device OS's.
I'm excited to develop on the Pinephone Braveheart edition soon and have one on pre-order. It's going to be a bring-your-own OS linux based phone and, with any luck, will fit the bill for those of us who want a phone you can hack your own kernel on (me, certainly!).
My take on it, from the hardware, is that it'll be a capable run-of-the-mill phone but with an out-sized capacity for modification and software load-out. About the only thing I'm non-plussed by is the Mali 400 MP2 graphics which are a bit long in the tooth at this point. Although that's probably down to the Allwinner A64 CPU.
Looking at it there's mainline support for OpenGL on the 400 MP2. So that might be a decent choice in regards to being able to roll your own OS.
Another part I'm not clear on is the use of the Allwinner A64 restricting the OS load-out. Since the A64 isn't completely supported in-kernel
Spec's from the manufacturer (Pine):
Allwinner A64 Quad Core SoC with Mali 400 MP2 GPU
2GB of LPDDR3 RAM
5.95″ LCD 1440×720, 18:9 aspect ratio (hardened glass)
Bootable Micro SD
16GB eMMC
HD Digital Video Out
USB Type C (Power, Data and Video Out)
Quectel EG-25G with worldwide bands
WiFi: 802.11 b/g/n, single-band, hotspot capable
Bluetooth: 4.0, A2DP
GNSS: GPS, GPS-A, GLONASS
Vibrator
RGB status LED
Selfie and Main camera (2/5Mpx respectively)
Main Camera: Single OV6540, 5MP, 1/4″, LED Flash
Selfie Camera: Single GC2035, 2MP, f/2.8, 1/5″
Sensors: accelerator, gyro, proximity, compass, barometer, ambient light
3 External Switches: up down and power
HW switches: LTE/GNSS, WiFi, Microphone, Speaker, Cameras
Samsung J7 form-factor 3000mAh battery
Case is matte black finished plastic
Headphone Jack
There's also good information on the A64 chip set over at the sunxi porting community: over at linux-sunxi (can't post links)
And it looks like Armbian has mainline kernel support for the chipset, based on similar devices from Pine: on the armbian website (can't post links)
So what do you all think? Anyone else interested in these devices?

I actually just heard about the Pinephone. Will it be able to run on the Sprint network in the US?

The pinephone supports the following:
LTE: B1, B2, B3, B4, B5, B7, B8, B12, B13, B18, B19, B20, B25, B26, B28, B38, B39, B40, B41
WCDMA: B1, B2, B4, B5, B6, B8, B19
GSM: 850, 900, 1800, 1900 (MHz)
You can look up your carrier at frequencycheck.com

The Pinephone should be shipping now, did any of you get it? I'm considering getting it if my Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 no longer works. It's one of those things that's really cool, but only Linux users would likely buy. The specs also aren't the best compared to phones at the same price, but maybe the leanness of Linux would make it feel snappier than other Android devices.

I have it and the development is really active. If you can I suggest you to take it (pmOS is sold out so expect for next edition)