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DeFroST or OpenDesire?

I have used both and loved both equally. But I want a cleaner and faster ROM, so which is preferable?

For me OD is faster.
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thanks to the best opendesire
opendesire is fast and stable my friends. and the best rom on market thats what i think

Have used both and personally find DeFrost is my favourite but it's all subjective in my opinion. Whichever you choose you're going to get a good rom supported by a good dev.
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Maybe it's just me but I feel that there is better support for OD than DeFroST. My questions on OD get answered fast without the need to bump them. While in the DeFroST thread, I have to bump a few times and then I won't get an answer sometimes too.

Went to bed with 59% battery, woke up 9 hours later finding that it's dead. And that's with OpenDesire. Recommend DeFroST atm matey/

Defrost all the way to go, imho
Regards

I've had DeFrost since I got by Desire back in May sometime. Switched to OpenDesire yesterday for no real reason. It is a bit cleaner from scratch. In other aspects, they're quite the same in normal day to day usage.

fterh said:
I have used both and loved both equally. But I want a cleaner and faster ROM, so which is preferable?
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I've used pretty much all releases of both roms, deFrost has always been the most stable.

Dunno if its my fault, but going to bed with OD at 70% and finding it dead next Day isn't much fun but seems to be faster and more stable. But i have to look what's so Battery draining.. :/

I love both and switch between the two depending on the current release. Both are outstanding ROM's...

For those who are experiencing poor battery life in Open Desire, Perhaps there is a process hogging your CPU cycles. Get the app "Android System Information" from the market, go to the Tasks tab, and go menu -> Sort by CPU Usage. "android.process.acore" (there were two of these) was taking up 100%. Once killed, overall usage dropped from 40-ish% to 5%, and battery life was somewhere in the vicinity of 4% lost in 6 hours. I don't know why that process every now and then takes up 100% of my usage -there are threads about it scattered throughout the various forums. When I was using ADW Launcher, the problem was much more common, such that when you added or moved or removed a widget, the problem would arise again. Launcher Pro has given me less problems.
I suppose I'm just saying - see if killing android.process.acore fixes your battery life. (i realise if it does do anything that it may only be a temporary solution.
Josh.

i find both OD and DF almost the same. Open Desire feels much original in every sense, where DeFrost does now take things from others like Cynogen. But thats ok as one cant develop all things by himself.
2 things i really really miss in both of them though is,
1) friend stream widget
2) FM Radio
Both are good and it depends on which one you try and wanna keep on ur device. But yes both looks the same, performance wise i find them alike,

Make a Vote thread then : )

Tried both and switch between them a fair amount. At the moment, I prefer Defrost because it deals with activesync better than OD and I use that for work e-mails.
Neither is very good at displaying the correct contact pics in the launcher pro widget to be honest. I also found that OD was force closing the facebook app.

Defrost is a clone of OD and has been since v2.6, there is no difference other than Defrost having more apps.

DeFroST all the way. OpenDesire is only there if you want to wake up the next morning with no alarm and finding that your desire have gone walkies to it's grave because it died.

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OpenDesire is only there if you want to wake up the next morning with no alarm and finding that your desire have gone walkies to it's grave because it died.
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i've never had either of these problems, been using OpenDesire since v1.1.

AdamG said:
Defrost is a clone of OD and has been since v2.6, there is no difference other than Defrost having more apps.
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Dude are you kidding? If you are serious, I'll flash OD right away. No offense dude but coming from you it seems a little biased.

AdamG said:
Defrost is a clone of OD and has been since v2.6, there is no difference other than Defrost having more apps.
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why do you tell it 10 times a hour? we now know it. thank you.

[Q] Would you mind helping a Android noob?

Ok,I'm new to Android, fresh out of Windows Mobile and might not know what I'm talking about, so... here we go,
I'm looking for my dream ROM, and kernel combination
Is there a ROM out there that has:
Delicious Froyo
4G Enabled
Can use Bluetooth controllers - (Wiimote, MSI BGP 100) [I guess that means it'd have to be Senseless?]
Retains its HDMI out functionality
Uncapped FPS
Over 2 multi touch points
Stability - Doesn't crash often
Decent Battery Life - (More than 5 Hours)
Swype Keyboard
802.11N Wireless Support Enabled
Overclocking support would be nice, but probably not necessary
I'm currently running Fresh Rom, but its starting to seriously lag after a few weeks of use, I guess its because of all the apps and widget mods I installed. And stupid Sense keeps starting up when I start my phone, even though launcher pro is my default home.
So I'm ready to flash another rom to have a clean start, now that I kinda know what I want.

There isn't a ROM with all of that

Looks to me like most (if not all) of the things you want to do can be done on Fresh. If it's lagging, wipe the caches using Amon and see if that speeds things up. I ran Fresh for a long while with no issues. For the past 3 days, I've been trying out the latest Baked Snack rom, and it's very good, too. The only thing I'm not sure about is the multi-touch feature because I haven't come across the need for it yet. I recommend you do the same thing I'm doing and everyone else does: Download them, flash them, keep them for a few days, and then try another rom. You'll be able to eliminate the ones you don't care for and then narrow down your choices. Do a search for multi-touch and see which roms have fixes for it, and try those out first.

or at least ava froyo v7, thats got everything working for me and use a kingsxkernel

I believe most of those are functional on most of the ROMs now. As far as swype keyboard, I think calkulins ROM (evio2) has that natively, or there's a new ROM someone else was working on that I think had swype listed, it was called echo5 ROM, I think. It's not on the first page, it was on the 2nd page last time I saw it.
The fps, overclocking, and >2pt multitouch are all functions of the kernel, I believe. And the 2 main kernel devs (kingx, and netarchy) support those functions in their kernels, which will flash on most any custom ROM
(I'm fairly new, from winmo, too. I was reluctant and apprehensive for awhile, but really starting to like Android, not to mention most the great devs from winmo are drifting to Android, or already have. Xda has made the transition that much easier)
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Like stated, any Rom can be anything. You can flash almost any kernel with any ROM..You can start with the stock ROM and flash what you want to get what you want...very customizable compared to WinMo.
That being said, I'm running Calkulin's EViO and love it. I can get almost 10th hours with heavy, heavy usage. With multitouch visualizer from the market, I can see 4 touch points. The phone is overlooked and fast as veal...never laggy. 4G works just fine. Lastly, the latest version has sense as an add-on, so no worries about it starting.
And, I have swype as an .apk if u want it.
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Thanks for the quick replies peoples, I went and wiped both cache, and the dalvik cache... even though I have no idea what the dalvik is, I'm using Anon Ra btw.
Calkulens Rom and a kings kernel sound like what I'm looking for, but what about the Bluetooth I know that sense based roms have corrupted Bluetooth settings, so no gamepad, are calkulins roms senseless? And work with wiimotes?
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VaelPak is the greatest. Just doesn't support bluetooth controllers but may be in an update soon
Swyped from my VaelPaked Evo 4G

Um no you can't flash kernels on most roms. They are either for sense roms or asop (senseless roms..cm6) you have to read the kernel thread... and swype you can install on any rom just search and you will find out the apk. For it. 4g doesn't work on cm6 so that's out the question then...
Most kernels are set to 1.19 to 1.22 top overclock.. setcpu is a paid app to over/underclock.. battery life there are a lot of things that causes bad battery. Bad reception, screen brightness, a app that keeps your phone awake, the settings of your CPU...etc...
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awenthol said:
Like stated, any Rom can be anything. You can flash almost any kernel with any ROM..You can start with the stock ROM and flash what you want to get what you want...very customizable compared to WinMo.
That being said, I'm running Calkulin's EViO and love it. I can get almost 10th hours with heavy, heavy usage. With multitouch visualizer from the market, I can see 4 touch points. The phone is overlooked and fast as veal...never laggy. 4G works just fine. Lastly, the latest version has sense as an add-on, so no worries about it starting.
And, I have swype as an .apk if u want it.
10hrs of heavy use? Please explain heavy heavy use because I get 4 tops even with the battery trick.. btw I use a wall charger not the phone. I have tried about every rom including yours and what I call heavy heavy usage is non-stop on phone. I can be on here on full battery, txt and do research on phone and get only 4 tops. Even with underclock.. you use wifi during heavy usage? Stock battery?
Just don't believe 10 hours heavy usage...
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So that combination of Calkulin's Rom and King's kernel will not work?
And does Overclocking seriously affect battery life?

ThaDSman said:
So that combination of Calkulin's Rom and King's kernel will not work?
And does Overclocking seriously affect battery life?
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When you overclock your CPU is running faster than normal which in turn needs more juice... kind of goes hand in hand...
Yeah that should be fine. If I'm correct its a sense rom. When you look at a kernel you usually read what it has implemented and what your looking for in a kernel. They tell you which one its made for. Just was letting you know..
Also always do a nand backup in case of loops or anything goes wrong..
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[Q] too many task-killers?

Hey all,
I've got a rooted Incredible, thanks to many of you on here. I installed AutoKiller Memory Optimizer soon after rooting...as well as SetCPU. I played with the settings and have been using those for the past month that I've been running with no issues. After reading a post in Lifehacker yesterday I thought twice about using some of the tools they listed there...such as Autostarts and Watchdog...instead of Autokiller.
Without this becoming a discussion about whether or not task-killers are needed on my Sense 2.2, what would be my best set-up? Should I use all three, or am I doubling up when I don't need to? And finally, is Autokiller a "task-killer"?
What should I be running on my machine?
Thanks.

With my experience, on 2.2, task killers result in worse battery life. I have no task killer, no setcpu, and I'm on stock 2.2 with KingBFS#5 kernel and get an average of 19 hours on the stock battery.
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Auto killer is not a task killer per se, it allows you to tweak the parameters of Android's internal memory management. It works very well from my experience with it.
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since root i find no reason for any task killers.
I have deleted all bloatware.
And if i have battery trouble I will use systempanel to find out what's the trouble maker.
Auto-killers seem like a good option but so far i don't have any trouble apps.

I think I'll delete Autostarts and Watchdog and possibly just stick with Auto Killer for now. It seems as if it's not really a task killer...but it keeps everything running smoothly. I just think that Android is smart enough to keep things running when they need to run, or may need to run. There are apps that go out of control...but there's easier ways to monitor those. In time, I think I may uninstall...or be persuaded to uninstall AutoKiller.
I've been thinking about kernels, radios...and new ROMs ever since I rooted. As far as right now, I'm cool with Sense...but having more control of it and what runs.

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I think I'll delete Autostarts and Watchdog and possibly just stick with Auto Killer for now. It seems as if it's not really a task killer...but it keeps everything running smoothly. I just think that Android is smart enough to keep things running when they need to run, or may need to run. There are apps that go out of control...but there's easier ways to monitor those. In time, I think I may uninstall...or be persuaded to uninstall AutoKiller.
I've been thinking about kernels, radios...and new ROMs ever since I rooted. As far as right now, I'm cool with Sense...but having more control of it and what runs.
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Well if it's any help to you I am running virtuous with a Hydra kernel and so far it's splendid.
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I might think about doing that. The one thing that would sway me would be getting updates and tweaks faster than Verizon or HTC get them to me.
If I back–up my Sense 2.2, and then start playing with Roms, kernels, radios, etc... and I don't like it, can I go back to basics?
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Yes backups would allow you to revert to when you took the backup. Virtuous is very good and close to stock but with options. Check out the forum "best sense ROM" in the incredible general section for sense based roms
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Time to root,

Real quick,
1. Do I loose all the apps I installed? (I'll just reinstall them I assume?)
2. Can I get rid of the preinstalled apps that keep running?
3. Is it fairly easy to overclock when screen clicks on, and underclock when its clicked off?
4. What is the best kernel for stability and battery life?
5. Whats the most stable ROM for stability and battery life?
Both me and my girlfriend use the G2 and we love them. I just want to milk the hardware a bit more
Also added another line with the MT4G going to do that one next :0
Wrap Up. I'm trying to get the snappiest, most stable, running G2, with the longest battery life. Please help, I've been trolling and reading these for a while, just wanted to repost the information in case anything has changed/updated. Cheers from Minneapolis!

xandermpls said:
Real quick,
1. Do I loose all the apps I installed? (I'll just reinstall them I assume?)
2. Can I get rid of the preinstalled apps that keep running?
3. Is it fairly easy to overclock when screen clicks on, and underclock when its clicked off?
4. What is the best kernel for stability and battery life?
5. Whats the most stable ROM for stability and battery life?
Both me and my girlfriend use the G2 and we love them. I just want to milk the hardware a bit more
Also added another line with the MT4G going to do that one next :0
Wrap Up. I'm trying to get the snappiest, most stable, running G2, with the longest battery life. Please help, I've been trolling and reading these for a while, just wanted to repost the information in case anything has changed/updated. Cheers from Minneapolis!
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Just rooting won't make you lose anything; the only time you'll have to reinstall apps is when you flash a new ROM as you need to do a full wipe however, Market will start to reinstall them on its own.
When you root, you can do whatever you want, including removing stock apps. Titanium Backup has a feature to remove apps (be sure to make a backup though, incase something breaks)
Overclocking requires an overclocked kernel and SetCPU has profiles to allow screen on/off settings.
Pershoots kernel is generally viewed as the best however, it doesn't work with the stock ROM or Sense ROMs; for the stock ROM try Baconbits (v3 is the latest, I believe).
Most ROMs are generally equally stable, which to choose depends on what you like. Most use CyanogenMOD though, there are many to choose from.
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Regardless of the rom/kernel, you'll get pretty sweet battery life

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Regardless of the rom/kernel, you'll get pretty sweet battery life
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Not neccessarily; just rooting doesn't give one better battery life, Sense ROMs generally have worse battery lives, Pershoot under-volts giving better battery life, etc.
The only way just rooting your device gives you better battery life is that it allows you to remove the carrier installed bloatware that runs at startup.
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[Q] Will rooting to 2.3 disable htcsense.com?

Hi! I got my shiny new Desire HD yesterday (upgraded from an iphone) and by god do I love it, just perfect for me.
Although with it comes a lot of.. junk that I simply do not need (scrolling through a good 30 apps just to get to my most used), plus I heard that 2.3 (Specifically Cyanogenmod 7) brings with it better battery, better performance and with it being rooted, more features.
I'm looking to root it as soon as possible before I start putting a lot of things on it, rather than do a lot with it now and then have to do it again a couple months down the road.
My main question is, I love htcsense.com and I love the extra features it gives me, especially being able to track the phone, gives me much needed peace of mind, if I root to a 2.3 ROM (probably cm7) will htcsense.com no longer work?
Thankyou for any/all replies, oh and a little quickie at the end, I'm planning to go with cm7 because it seems the most basic and customizable for my needs, and battery life is a huge plus for me as I'm planning to use this beauty in and around college, is cm7 a good idea?
Thank you and have a great day.

If that HTC feature relies on having the app on the phone then it wont work as CM7 is not a Sense ROM and contains no sense applications.
Neither do I believe simply installing the apk, if possible, would work.
Be nice to be wrong though.
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Ahh, so in short, no?
Fair enough, is there a way to install the part needed for it to work after rooting it with cm7?

Probably not. Again, hope I'm wrong because it is a great utility that would otherwise cost you (Wavesecure app for example and I believe one of the anti-virus apps provides same functionality).
If anyone has the apk I'd happily try it but IIRC the apps rely on the Sense framework.
Bear with me, just checking this out.
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Confirmed. Without the apk installed the phone can't communicate with the HTC servers.
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Hi there,
i've recently rooted my Desire HD (and upgraded to 2.3.3) & I can tell you that HTCsense still works. No idea about if it still works on non-sense roms such as CM7 or not.
I've been using RCMix and Android Revolution roms in the past week & both of them are a lot better than the stock Froyo that my phone came with though.

Did a search and found an apk but it is confirmed that it will not run on AOSP ROMs such as Cyanogenmod.
The only option you have would be to run a Sense based ROM then install something like ADW.Launcher which has categorised app drawer (meaning you can choose what apps appear).
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Thankyou for the replies you've really helped.
Does sense rom mean, a rom that has HTC sense enabled? I assume it does.
Also, if I want to get 2.3+ android with sense so I can use the htcsense.com service, which rom would be best to root too? I've only ever heard of cm7, that's about it.
Thanks again!

Coredroid is a sense ROM. Pretty good too. If your main concern is tracking your phone, why don't you try Lookout from the marketplace. its free and is also a very good virus checker too!

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Coredroid is a sense ROM. Pretty good too. If your main concern is tracking your phone, why don't you try Lookout from the marketplace. its free and is also a very good virus checker too!
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Does it improve the battery life at all?
Oh also, is it easy to change back to the original ROM that came with the phone in-case of any warranty issues? Coredroid just doesn't look as.. polished as cyanogen, I could be completely wrong though.
If so, I'll root it today! Love the community by the way, I can't say anything bad about the iPhone community really, although they seem to care a lot less.
Does rooting to an Android 2.3 ROM bring everything that normal Android 2.3 brings and then depending on the ROM, special things? So it doesn't matter what ROM I get that's 2.3 they'll all have 2.3 Android features?

Do a backup in Tom manager in case you want to go back to your previous rom. Coredroid is a very fast rom IMO, but its dependent on how you use it much like any other rom really.
batery life is better than stock but again you will need to be mindful of gps and wifi etc. An awesome gingerbread kernel to improve battery life does not yet exist.

Fantastic, I'll give CoreDroid a try then, thankyou for your help, you've been very useful and informative.
One last thing before I begin the process, what is Tom manager? I did a quick google search and a look into the market but found nothing, did you mean Rom manager?

my bad. I have auto correction on. I meant ROM manager.

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my bad. I have auto correction on. I meant ROM manager.
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Ahh, I got it and I'm trying to backup my current ROM but I need to install "clockwordmod recovery" and whenever I try I get a "An error occurred while attempting to run privilged commands!" which is a shame.
Oh, and is there an up-to-date guide on how to root? Pardon my ignorance.

You need root first.
There's several "how to's" in the development forum. More information than we could put here (or should).

Sorry, I'm being incredibly silly, I keep getting ROM's and rooting mixed up, I'm in the process of rooting it now then I'll install a ROM, I haven't decided which yet but I might.. shop around, sorta speak.
Thanks for the help guys, take care.

Because sense apps aren't running in background, Cyanogen should be less stressful on the battery. However stock roms are usually not developed to maximize battery life in the same way custom roms are (afterall, battery life is a bugbear for developers too!). With this in mind, Coredroid even with sense is still better on your battery life than stock sense. Its all dependent on how you use it though (turn off GPS and wifi when no longer required etc..). Intensive use will naturally drain your battery sooner than conservative use. If you find battery life a pain with any rom, you could try juice defender free to automatically regulate consumption of battery.
Best advice, try a number of mods every week or so, and settle on one you like once you've experienced them. You souls also download battery calibrator from market and use after every flash to help you with the battery.

After a little soulsearching I'm going to give RCMixHD a try, it seems very popular which is usually a good sign, it has sense 3.0 and 2.3.3 Android so it's practically perfect.
The only thing I'm puzzled by now is "radios" I've worked out that they determine call reception and 3G+HSPDA whatnots, but do I actually need a new one before/after flashing to a new ROM? There seems to be a lot of radios out there and I have no clue which to go with and what they do.

Oh, also, does overclocking your phone as you have done have a huge impact on the battery life? I assume it has atleast some impact.

Only certain roms currently support overclocking, with some having the ability only after a kernel flash. CM7.0.2 however comes with ability without need to install anything else. You will need SetCPU to overclock and select a governor to regulate how power is maintained. You need to set minimum frequency when phone is idle etc.. It's easier than it sounds but do read into the overclocking threads for dhd we have here if in any doubt.