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Is autokiller needed with 2.2

Asking I have it loaded atm it seems to work but its not sticking on reboot have to reset it
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Sporkman said:
Asking I have it loaded atm it seems to work but its not sticking on reboot have to reset it
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Well, first of all, autokiller probably won't do much for you in Froyo, seeing as Froyo has some major memory enhancements. I'm not even sure if the file autokiller modifies still exists in Froyo. I'd imagine so, but I really don't know. All I know is, you really don't need autokiller at all.

Agreed.
I had Aaron La's Task Manager (a fantastic application management app by the way) set on auto-kill, etc and I my device ran much better uninhibited on both 2.1 and 2.2. I know it seems hard to believe but... that's the glory of Android...
Now I use Task Manager for install/maintain/uninstall purposes only.

I vastly prefer SystemPanel.
I used to be OCD about killing tasks, until I read more about how it actually worsens battery life

oh yeah, and the funny part is, Task killers won't even work in Froyo. They can stop apps, but the apps just pop back up into memory. All the OCD people out there are going to go nuts!

[Q] Use a ROM or just delete stock apk's with Root Explorer?

I noticed in the Advanced Task Manager that the bloatware apps I never use are always running. Amazon MP3, Google Voice, Sprint Football Live, etc.
I want to get rid of them to maximize battery life. I used to flash ROMs on my previous phone but the options for the Evo seem a lot more custom, with some not supporting certain standard phone features.
Is the best thing in my case to flash a ROM to get a clean task list (I want to keep all normal functions including Sense), and if so which one, or would it be better to delete all the stock apk's manually with Root Explorer?
Also I flashed the kernel at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=719763 which I thought would boost my Fps2D rates above 30 but it hasn't made a difference.

Most of the custom ROMs are based off Sense, so the easy way to go would be to flash one and call it a day. Most of the bloatware will already be removed for you, and they all have performance tweaks as well. I use Fresh 3.2.0.0 as my daily driver and recommend it highly. Other good ones that I've tried are Evio, Virus, and Baked Snack.
Which kernel did you flash? I'm pretty sure that all of Netarchy's kernels have the fps uncapped so there might be something else going on. I hate to ask this, but are you sure you flashed it properly? Go to menu > settings > about phone > software information and make sure that your kernel version is the one you intended to flash.

Ok thanks. I guess my main concern was that some roms seemed to have a different UI in the screenshots.
How should I restore my apps, Titanium or nandroid?

It's just a skin over the SenseUI. All the Sense functionality is still there.
Nandroid doesn't restore your apps, it restores your entire system and returns your phone to the exact condition it was in when you made the nandroid.
Titanium is a great utility and makes it painless to to try out new ROMs. Back up your user apps and settings and then restore after you flash the new ROM.

I definitely want to keep everything as close to stock as possible without the bloatware. CM6 is out because it doesn't have Sense, so what's the second best? I am looking at about 8 options right now and the details seem like a lot to parse through, so I appreciate your insight.

If that's the case then maybe just keep the stock ROM and delete the bloatware. Titanium actually has a setting called Chuck Norris mode that lets you delete the bloatware. Just be sure to back it up before you delete it just in case you deleted something important. There are a couple threads here that have lists of .apks that are safe to remove, I suggest you do a search and find them so you know what is and isn't safe.
What did you figure out about the kernel and your fps?

Ok, thanks I'll give that a shot. I may end up trying CM6 anyway as I don't have 4G in my area and I'm curious to see what the alternative to Sense is.
You were right about the kernel. It was showing the stock kernel under software info, so I flashed netarchy's again and am up to 54 stdev 4 on Fps2D now. Thanks!

aph said:
I noticed in the Advanced Task Manager that the bloatware apps I never use are always running. Amazon MP3, Google Voice, Sprint Football Live, etc.
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Do I want to know why you installed Google Voice yourself (Sprint doesn't ship it), but yet call it bloatware and don't simply remove it?
Exactly how do you expect GV to do what it does, and *not* be running? You don't *want* voicemail notifications?
As for the other apps, this is Android, not Windows. Just because something is in the task list doesn't mean it's consuming CPU cycles.

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I want to know why you installed Google Voice yourself (Sprint doesn't ship it)
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Good point, must have picked it up in the Market myself.
As for the other apps, this is Android, not Windows. Just because something is in the task list doesn't mean it's consuming CPU cycles.
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Thanks for this clarification, I was not aware of this distinction. My impression was that all tasks use up cycles. Is there more information about this somewhere?
On another note, the Fusion Froyo ROM looks like it might do just about what I'm looking for so I think I'll give that a shot: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=744368

aph said:
Thanks for this clarification, I was not aware of this distinction. My impression was that all tasks use up cycles. Is there more information about this somewhere?
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There's a ton on info on the subject, but the most thorough write-up I've found can be read here. it as written before froyo, but it's even more true now.

fachadick said:
There's a ton on info on the subject, but the most thorough write-up I've found can be read here. it as written before froyo, but it's even more true now.
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Excellent info, thanks very much for that.
I ended up trashing the Task Killer app and using this instead to monitor battery: http://www.appbrain.com/app/nextapp.systempanel

aph said:
Excellent info, thanks very much for that.
I ended up trashing the Task Killer app and using this instead to monitor battery: http://www.appbrain.com/app/nextapp.systempanel
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very cool - that was one of the first apps I actually bought, and I would say that its a "must have" for folks that get into the nitty gritty of their phones or are trying to hunt down rougue apps. It's great not just for the battery monitor, either. I did a mini-write up for it just today in another thread here.

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very cool - that was one of the first apps I actually bought, and I would say that its a "must have" for folks that get into the nitty gritty of their phones or are trying to hunt down rougue apps. It's great not just for the battery monitor, either. I did a mini-write up for it just today in another thread here.
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Bump for the awesomeness that is SystemMonitor. I hope people realize they shouldn't be using task killers or SetCPU as Android automatically modulates both of those to maximize battery life.
IMO the best option to further battery life is to use an awesome kernel. I personally prefer Netarchy 4.1.9.1 with HAVS for the familiarity, stability and voltage modulation, but the newest HTC kernel included with Fresh 3.2.0 is supposed to be even better. King's is also reported to be close to improving battery life as much as the newest HTC one does.

I know, that new kernel is supposed to be sick. I can't wait for more devs to start tearing it up in their own releases.
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Help with task manager

Hi I was just wondering I herd that it is best to not use a task manager because android controls the task just fine then I hear that its good to have a task manager so I just would like some advice on the subject thank you
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Hi I was just wondering I herd that it is best to not use a task manager because android controls the task just fine then I hear that its good to have a task manager so I just would like some advice on the subject thank you
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I don't use an automatic task manager, I use System Panel which has a kill all widget that you can use if things get laggy. It is supercustomizable and you can exclude items you don't want to kill. I also use autostarts which basically keeps some nuisance stuff from starting when the phone boots. Autostarts is tricky though so don't kill anything you don't know 100% what it does. I only use it to prevent maps, market, music and a couple other apps from starting.
Good Luck.

I don't use any task manager at all. Like the poster above me, I use autostarts to prevent things from running on their own and the ROM I'm running kills the current app completely if you hold the back button down. If by some chance things start to get laggy I just do a hot reboot and everything is right as rain.

Okay I'm very new to this so what's system panel and how do I set up things to not auto start in the back round
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I used a task killer for a long time, and have since abandoned them completely. My personal opinion is to not worry about stopping auto processes, or killing anything.
If you start seeing that you are having issues with battery drain, or not enough memory, then you may want to look into some of these options.
If you are rooted, and want to install a custom ROM, most of the custom ROM's are very clean, and then you really don't need to worry.
I spent a couple of months stock with a task killer, a few months on custom roms with a task killer, and the past couple months I have been on various custom roms with no task killer, and I don't see any reason to go back.

I'm running a custom rom right now I'm running fresh evo from flipz so I was just wondering I should b good without a task manager.
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[Q] whats a safer way to kill apps.?

Sorry i know there's posts on app killers being safe or not, just had a question towards it.
i currently have the HTC but soon to upgrade to the HTC Evo, and when i get the Evo i want to do this a safer way.
on my HTC hero ive used Advance App killer, or Estrong Task Manager. but over the 5 months of having this phone. ive noticed a HUGE decrease in speed. before i could open and close apps and it would be semi fast. and now some take 3-4 seconds. ive flashed roms and then go back to original settings. im not downloading any apps really except:
Winamp, Angry Bird, Zenonia, pandora, Battle.net blizz authenticator. and task killer. so my memory isn't being taken up all that much.

I'm not trying to start a pro vs con task killer debate, but I've had no reason to use one on my EVO. When I had my Hero I had to use them constantly, but mine was stock unrooted 2.1.

it could be how the hero handles froyo...my returns had similar issue after flashing cm 6 for froyo...i may be wrong...technically as far as I know froyo don't need a task killer.

ok well thank you for ur input

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it could be how the hero handles froyo...my returns had similar issue after flashing cm 6 for froyo...i may be wrong...technically as far as I know froyo don't need a task killer.
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i noticed with froyo ive had issues with them more cause it doesnt close them at all. it says it does but reopens everythign the exact same second. like mu music, messaging, email, internet, ect...
but when i went back to stock it just seems my phone lost so much speed. takes forever to open anything now

There is no reason to kill apps with froyo. Use Autostarts to prevent crap from starting and let Android do its thing. If you think your phone is running sluggish, do a hot reboot instead of killing apps. If you want to use a task manager, SystemPanel is the only one I recommend, and not for its app killing. It has a lot of other features to help you diagnose issues and keep track of what apps are doing.

awesome, thank you again metalhead.

As long as you use a froyo rom, it handles task killing all by itself. If you insist on using a task killer, try Autokiller from the market. Its not a traditional task killer, it lets you tweak the task killing to certain degrees. Give it a shot.

kyhassen said:
awesome, thank you again metalhead.
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noooo prob

Sab3r One said:
As long as you use a froyo rom, it handles task killing all by itself. If you insist on using a task killer, try Autokiller from the market. Its not a traditional task killer, it lets you tweak the task killing to certain degrees. Give it a shot.
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Agree, it is better on the long run

[Q] Will rooting to 2.3 disable htcsense.com?

Hi! I got my shiny new Desire HD yesterday (upgraded from an iphone) and by god do I love it, just perfect for me.
Although with it comes a lot of.. junk that I simply do not need (scrolling through a good 30 apps just to get to my most used), plus I heard that 2.3 (Specifically Cyanogenmod 7) brings with it better battery, better performance and with it being rooted, more features.
I'm looking to root it as soon as possible before I start putting a lot of things on it, rather than do a lot with it now and then have to do it again a couple months down the road.
My main question is, I love htcsense.com and I love the extra features it gives me, especially being able to track the phone, gives me much needed peace of mind, if I root to a 2.3 ROM (probably cm7) will htcsense.com no longer work?
Thankyou for any/all replies, oh and a little quickie at the end, I'm planning to go with cm7 because it seems the most basic and customizable for my needs, and battery life is a huge plus for me as I'm planning to use this beauty in and around college, is cm7 a good idea?
Thank you and have a great day.

If that HTC feature relies on having the app on the phone then it wont work as CM7 is not a Sense ROM and contains no sense applications.
Neither do I believe simply installing the apk, if possible, would work.
Be nice to be wrong though.
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Ahh, so in short, no?
Fair enough, is there a way to install the part needed for it to work after rooting it with cm7?

Probably not. Again, hope I'm wrong because it is a great utility that would otherwise cost you (Wavesecure app for example and I believe one of the anti-virus apps provides same functionality).
If anyone has the apk I'd happily try it but IIRC the apps rely on the Sense framework.
Bear with me, just checking this out.
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Confirmed. Without the apk installed the phone can't communicate with the HTC servers.
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Hi there,
i've recently rooted my Desire HD (and upgraded to 2.3.3) & I can tell you that HTCsense still works. No idea about if it still works on non-sense roms such as CM7 or not.
I've been using RCMix and Android Revolution roms in the past week & both of them are a lot better than the stock Froyo that my phone came with though.

Did a search and found an apk but it is confirmed that it will not run on AOSP ROMs such as Cyanogenmod.
The only option you have would be to run a Sense based ROM then install something like ADW.Launcher which has categorised app drawer (meaning you can choose what apps appear).
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Thankyou for the replies you've really helped.
Does sense rom mean, a rom that has HTC sense enabled? I assume it does.
Also, if I want to get 2.3+ android with sense so I can use the htcsense.com service, which rom would be best to root too? I've only ever heard of cm7, that's about it.
Thanks again!

Coredroid is a sense ROM. Pretty good too. If your main concern is tracking your phone, why don't you try Lookout from the marketplace. its free and is also a very good virus checker too!

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Coredroid is a sense ROM. Pretty good too. If your main concern is tracking your phone, why don't you try Lookout from the marketplace. its free and is also a very good virus checker too!
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Does it improve the battery life at all?
Oh also, is it easy to change back to the original ROM that came with the phone in-case of any warranty issues? Coredroid just doesn't look as.. polished as cyanogen, I could be completely wrong though.
If so, I'll root it today! Love the community by the way, I can't say anything bad about the iPhone community really, although they seem to care a lot less.
Does rooting to an Android 2.3 ROM bring everything that normal Android 2.3 brings and then depending on the ROM, special things? So it doesn't matter what ROM I get that's 2.3 they'll all have 2.3 Android features?

Do a backup in Tom manager in case you want to go back to your previous rom. Coredroid is a very fast rom IMO, but its dependent on how you use it much like any other rom really.
batery life is better than stock but again you will need to be mindful of gps and wifi etc. An awesome gingerbread kernel to improve battery life does not yet exist.

Fantastic, I'll give CoreDroid a try then, thankyou for your help, you've been very useful and informative.
One last thing before I begin the process, what is Tom manager? I did a quick google search and a look into the market but found nothing, did you mean Rom manager?

my bad. I have auto correction on. I meant ROM manager.

h3dfuk said:
my bad. I have auto correction on. I meant ROM manager.
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Ahh, I got it and I'm trying to backup my current ROM but I need to install "clockwordmod recovery" and whenever I try I get a "An error occurred while attempting to run privilged commands!" which is a shame.
Oh, and is there an up-to-date guide on how to root? Pardon my ignorance.

You need root first.
There's several "how to's" in the development forum. More information than we could put here (or should).

Sorry, I'm being incredibly silly, I keep getting ROM's and rooting mixed up, I'm in the process of rooting it now then I'll install a ROM, I haven't decided which yet but I might.. shop around, sorta speak.
Thanks for the help guys, take care.

Because sense apps aren't running in background, Cyanogen should be less stressful on the battery. However stock roms are usually not developed to maximize battery life in the same way custom roms are (afterall, battery life is a bugbear for developers too!). With this in mind, Coredroid even with sense is still better on your battery life than stock sense. Its all dependent on how you use it though (turn off GPS and wifi when no longer required etc..). Intensive use will naturally drain your battery sooner than conservative use. If you find battery life a pain with any rom, you could try juice defender free to automatically regulate consumption of battery.
Best advice, try a number of mods every week or so, and settle on one you like once you've experienced them. You souls also download battery calibrator from market and use after every flash to help you with the battery.

After a little soulsearching I'm going to give RCMixHD a try, it seems very popular which is usually a good sign, it has sense 3.0 and 2.3.3 Android so it's practically perfect.
The only thing I'm puzzled by now is "radios" I've worked out that they determine call reception and 3G+HSPDA whatnots, but do I actually need a new one before/after flashing to a new ROM? There seems to be a lot of radios out there and I have no clue which to go with and what they do.

Oh, also, does overclocking your phone as you have done have a huge impact on the battery life? I assume it has atleast some impact.

Only certain roms currently support overclocking, with some having the ability only after a kernel flash. CM7.0.2 however comes with ability without need to install anything else. You will need SetCPU to overclock and select a governor to regulate how power is maintained. You need to set minimum frequency when phone is idle etc.. It's easier than it sounds but do read into the overclocking threads for dhd we have here if in any doubt.