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Just read that task killers no longer work as they are supposed to in 2.2 im wondering if there is anything else i can do aside from using the completely crap method google has given froyo of going to setting/apps/manage apps and force killing all the apps that start themselves
i noticed earlier ATK wasnt killing some apps so this kind of explains it
You don't NEED a task killer in Android in the first place.
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ive tried other task killers and they all created FCs and resets. task manager is the only task killer that i found that works great with no FCs or resets. task manager is awesome lets u auto kill task with a set time after your screen is off instead of instantly. it also lets you kill services. it really does help my EVO and i can suggest it. also it was recently updated to work with 2.2. try it out and let me know what u think. make sure to ignore things that are important to you such as mail messages etc
Or you could listen to the first reply and just stop using a task killer. Froyo is much more optimized than previous versions of Android, and really runs find on its own. By lettings apps sit in memory, the phone will run faster and more optimized. Seriously, that's why Google deprecated the code that task killers originally used.
as much as id like to not fumble around with a task killer i find it hard to believe it doesnt need one for the one reason that if i dont use one after about 30 minutes of opening and closing apps or just basic use it starts getting choppy and slow...
I was sold on task killers originally, believing them to increase battery life.
Wrong. They sure did on WinMo 5.x - 6.x, but they sure DONT on android.
I actually tested it out myself. Since going without task killer, i'm getting exactly the same battery life I got with it. It might even be a touch better since there is now no task killer code taking CPU time and hogging memory.
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Also, we have the best multi-tasking phone OS in our hands and we want to hobble it by killing processes willy-nilly. Why don't we embrace the fact that android beats WinMo by a country mile in multi-tasking, and beats iOS 4 by a lap or two. Oh and iPhone OS 3.x and before still say "wtf is multitasking?"
Thanks.
I noticed in the Advanced Task Manager that the bloatware apps I never use are always running. Amazon MP3, Google Voice, Sprint Football Live, etc.
I want to get rid of them to maximize battery life. I used to flash ROMs on my previous phone but the options for the Evo seem a lot more custom, with some not supporting certain standard phone features.
Is the best thing in my case to flash a ROM to get a clean task list (I want to keep all normal functions including Sense), and if so which one, or would it be better to delete all the stock apk's manually with Root Explorer?
Also I flashed the kernel at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=719763 which I thought would boost my Fps2D rates above 30 but it hasn't made a difference.
Most of the custom ROMs are based off Sense, so the easy way to go would be to flash one and call it a day. Most of the bloatware will already be removed for you, and they all have performance tweaks as well. I use Fresh 3.2.0.0 as my daily driver and recommend it highly. Other good ones that I've tried are Evio, Virus, and Baked Snack.
Which kernel did you flash? I'm pretty sure that all of Netarchy's kernels have the fps uncapped so there might be something else going on. I hate to ask this, but are you sure you flashed it properly? Go to menu > settings > about phone > software information and make sure that your kernel version is the one you intended to flash.
Ok thanks. I guess my main concern was that some roms seemed to have a different UI in the screenshots.
How should I restore my apps, Titanium or nandroid?
It's just a skin over the SenseUI. All the Sense functionality is still there.
Nandroid doesn't restore your apps, it restores your entire system and returns your phone to the exact condition it was in when you made the nandroid.
Titanium is a great utility and makes it painless to to try out new ROMs. Back up your user apps and settings and then restore after you flash the new ROM.
I definitely want to keep everything as close to stock as possible without the bloatware. CM6 is out because it doesn't have Sense, so what's the second best? I am looking at about 8 options right now and the details seem like a lot to parse through, so I appreciate your insight.
If that's the case then maybe just keep the stock ROM and delete the bloatware. Titanium actually has a setting called Chuck Norris mode that lets you delete the bloatware. Just be sure to back it up before you delete it just in case you deleted something important. There are a couple threads here that have lists of .apks that are safe to remove, I suggest you do a search and find them so you know what is and isn't safe.
What did you figure out about the kernel and your fps?
Ok, thanks I'll give that a shot. I may end up trying CM6 anyway as I don't have 4G in my area and I'm curious to see what the alternative to Sense is.
You were right about the kernel. It was showing the stock kernel under software info, so I flashed netarchy's again and am up to 54 stdev 4 on Fps2D now. Thanks!
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I noticed in the Advanced Task Manager that the bloatware apps I never use are always running. Amazon MP3, Google Voice, Sprint Football Live, etc.
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Do I want to know why you installed Google Voice yourself (Sprint doesn't ship it), but yet call it bloatware and don't simply remove it?
Exactly how do you expect GV to do what it does, and *not* be running? You don't *want* voicemail notifications?
As for the other apps, this is Android, not Windows. Just because something is in the task list doesn't mean it's consuming CPU cycles.
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I want to know why you installed Google Voice yourself (Sprint doesn't ship it)
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Good point, must have picked it up in the Market myself.
As for the other apps, this is Android, not Windows. Just because something is in the task list doesn't mean it's consuming CPU cycles.
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Thanks for this clarification, I was not aware of this distinction. My impression was that all tasks use up cycles. Is there more information about this somewhere?
On another note, the Fusion Froyo ROM looks like it might do just about what I'm looking for so I think I'll give that a shot: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=744368
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Thanks for this clarification, I was not aware of this distinction. My impression was that all tasks use up cycles. Is there more information about this somewhere?
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There's a ton on info on the subject, but the most thorough write-up I've found can be read here. it as written before froyo, but it's even more true now.
fachadick said:
There's a ton on info on the subject, but the most thorough write-up I've found can be read here. it as written before froyo, but it's even more true now.
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Excellent info, thanks very much for that.
I ended up trashing the Task Killer app and using this instead to monitor battery: http://www.appbrain.com/app/nextapp.systempanel
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Excellent info, thanks very much for that.
I ended up trashing the Task Killer app and using this instead to monitor battery: http://www.appbrain.com/app/nextapp.systempanel
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very cool - that was one of the first apps I actually bought, and I would say that its a "must have" for folks that get into the nitty gritty of their phones or are trying to hunt down rougue apps. It's great not just for the battery monitor, either. I did a mini-write up for it just today in another thread here.
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very cool - that was one of the first apps I actually bought, and I would say that its a "must have" for folks that get into the nitty gritty of their phones or are trying to hunt down rougue apps. It's great not just for the battery monitor, either. I did a mini-write up for it just today in another thread here.
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Bump for the awesomeness that is SystemMonitor. I hope people realize they shouldn't be using task killers or SetCPU as Android automatically modulates both of those to maximize battery life.
IMO the best option to further battery life is to use an awesome kernel. I personally prefer Netarchy 4.1.9.1 with HAVS for the familiarity, stability and voltage modulation, but the newest HTC kernel included with Fresh 3.2.0 is supposed to be even better. King's is also reported to be close to improving battery life as much as the newest HTC one does.
I know, that new kernel is supposed to be sick. I can't wait for more devs to start tearing it up in their own releases.
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Hey all,
I've got a rooted Incredible, thanks to many of you on here. I installed AutoKiller Memory Optimizer soon after rooting...as well as SetCPU. I played with the settings and have been using those for the past month that I've been running with no issues. After reading a post in Lifehacker yesterday I thought twice about using some of the tools they listed there...such as Autostarts and Watchdog...instead of Autokiller.
Without this becoming a discussion about whether or not task-killers are needed on my Sense 2.2, what would be my best set-up? Should I use all three, or am I doubling up when I don't need to? And finally, is Autokiller a "task-killer"?
What should I be running on my machine?
Thanks.
With my experience, on 2.2, task killers result in worse battery life. I have no task killer, no setcpu, and I'm on stock 2.2 with KingBFS#5 kernel and get an average of 19 hours on the stock battery.
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Auto killer is not a task killer per se, it allows you to tweak the parameters of Android's internal memory management. It works very well from my experience with it.
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since root i find no reason for any task killers.
I have deleted all bloatware.
And if i have battery trouble I will use systempanel to find out what's the trouble maker.
Auto-killers seem like a good option but so far i don't have any trouble apps.
I think I'll delete Autostarts and Watchdog and possibly just stick with Auto Killer for now. It seems as if it's not really a task killer...but it keeps everything running smoothly. I just think that Android is smart enough to keep things running when they need to run, or may need to run. There are apps that go out of control...but there's easier ways to monitor those. In time, I think I may uninstall...or be persuaded to uninstall AutoKiller.
I've been thinking about kernels, radios...and new ROMs ever since I rooted. As far as right now, I'm cool with Sense...but having more control of it and what runs.
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I think I'll delete Autostarts and Watchdog and possibly just stick with Auto Killer for now. It seems as if it's not really a task killer...but it keeps everything running smoothly. I just think that Android is smart enough to keep things running when they need to run, or may need to run. There are apps that go out of control...but there's easier ways to monitor those. In time, I think I may uninstall...or be persuaded to uninstall AutoKiller.
I've been thinking about kernels, radios...and new ROMs ever since I rooted. As far as right now, I'm cool with Sense...but having more control of it and what runs.
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Well if it's any help to you I am running virtuous with a Hydra kernel and so far it's splendid.
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I might think about doing that. The one thing that would sway me would be getting updates and tweaks faster than Verizon or HTC get them to me.
If I back–up my Sense 2.2, and then start playing with Roms, kernels, radios, etc... and I don't like it, can I go back to basics?
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Yes backups would allow you to revert to when you took the backup. Virtuous is very good and close to stock but with options. Check out the forum "best sense ROM" in the incredible general section for sense based roms
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Hi guys,
I want to share my solution for fixing the LAG. I tested it on 2 phones and you get rid of 80-90% of the LAG in some easy steps:
replace TwLauncher with LauncherPro
if you use Beautiful Widgets install latest update (3.23) - don't check 'Refresh on wake',
go to Settings->Applications and filter to select all running applications
go to Market and clear cache and after that Force Close (several times )
go to Market Updater and Force Close (several times )
go to Samsung Task Manager, RAM Manag and run a Level 2 RAM clear
My phone is running very smooth for a week now. I have 102 apps and counting. Just an occasional lag, but for a very very short time. Once a day at most.
Samsung Task Manager, sound like you are using Froyo.
Does it work on Eclair?
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Samsung Task Manager, sound like you are using Froyo.
Does it work on Eclair?
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Its as useless lag solution as it gets. Nothing in this has anything to do with lag on our phones.
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Its as useless lag solution as it gets. Nothing in this has anything to do with lag on our phones.
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Agree, the steps above wont solve any lag issue even if its related to having low free mem, zero difference.. nothing.. zilch!
I'm using Eclair with Samsung task Manager from Samsung Apps.
My phone was lagging a lot. There were moments when I just [email protected]#[email protected]$#@ But this is how I got rid of most of the lag. My guess is that maybe it has something to do with the Market. I don't know, but definitely I'm not lying.
In my opinion the problem is not memory related. My wife's phone (just 20 apps installed) always has 100+ MB free memory and still had lag. With this "fix" the problem is almost gone.
You should not clear RAM.
It will empty your ram and clear all running program, so you will have a lot of free ram.
Lot of free ram means WASTED ram!
Linux systems are made to use all available ram and clear it when needed so if you empty it it will just be wasted.
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Hi guys,
I want to share my solution for fixing the LAG. I tested it on 2 phones and you get rid of 80-90% of the LAG in some easy steps:
replace TwLauncher with LauncherPro
if you use Beautiful Widgets install latest update (3.23) - don't check 'Refresh on wake',
go to Settings->Applications and filter to select all running applications
go to Market and clear cache and after that Force Close (several times )
go to Market Updater and Force Close (several times )
go to Samsung Task Manager, RAM Manag and run a Level 2 RAM clear
My phone is running very smooth for a week now. I have 102 apps and counting. Just an occasional lag, but for a very very short time. Once a day at most.
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No offence but this is complete rubbish
I know about RAM more than 90% of the persons on this forum. I just run that clear cache L2 ONCE.
If you think is rubbish, don't use it. My phone is running fine for a week with this stupid solution.
ludovicianul said:
I know about RAM more than 90% of the persons on this forum. I just run that clear cache L2 ONCE.
If you think is rubbish, don't use it. My phone is running fine for a week with this stupid solution.
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This is amusingly cute But this is not a "lag fix." It has been established hundreds of times that the "lag" is caused by Samsung's implementation of RFS. It is fixed by replacing the filesystem with something else. Nothing to do with free RAM.
Galaxy S has lots RAM so free RAM is generally not a problem. If it is, flashing one of the kernels with ~341MB of RAM will help notably (a lot better than this mucking around killing things).
Who said something about the RAM being the problem? I was just answering the angry guy who said that you shouldn't clear the RAM
I agree that the problem can be caused by the filesystem. I think that there are other causes too.
I'm not pretending that this is actually a FIX for the solution. I was just sharing my experience. My phone is running faster with these things that I've done. There'e a lot of people that are not willing to flash their phones to apply a lagfix. This can be a temporary solution for them.
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Who said something about the RAM being the problem? I was just answering the angry guy who said that you shouldn't clear the RAM
I agree that the problem can be caused by the filesystem. I think that there are other causes too.
I'm not pretending that this is actually a FIX for the solution. I was just sharing my experience. My phone is running faster with these things that I've done. There'e a lot of people that are not willing to flash their phones to apply a lagfix. This can be a temporary solution for them.
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Your thread title says otherwise. Anyways, like some other person has pointed out already this is rubbish.
Title changed. Probably it was not the most suitable title.
Anyway, don't like it, just ignore it. I don't understand why are people feeling so offended.
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Title changed. Probably it was not the most suitable title.
Anyway, don't like it, just ignore it. I don't understand why are people feeling so offended.
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I'm trying to be nice here, so please bear with me. We are not offended by your contributions, it is just that what you have written is not substantiated by facts. There is simply no correlation between what you have done to the elimination of the lag in the SGS.
It may have worked for you, and I'm not doubting that. But then again, I'm using hardcore optimized kernel and also the modded twlauncher. Right now, I don't even need to apply any lagfixes. User experience has been very satisfying.
It's actually the TouchWiz adding the RFS and the programming design itself causing the lag, I found one here by replacing the Touchwiz with tweak touchwiz and everything really good, I did the Voodoo the rest is history no more lags... I am using Push emails, Feedback for Facebook and Twitter, Beautiful widgets and I am not freeing RAM. It's really the skinning(touchwiz) causing problems with lag issues. Trust me
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Title changed. Probably it was not the most suitable title.
Anyway, don't like it, just ignore it. I don't understand why are people feeling so offended.
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Apologies if I sounded offended, I am not. However, you did come across as a bit pompous (claiming to know more about RAM etc) and at the same time offered a 'solution' which does nothing to fix the lag issue and is simply misleading at best. Even the changed thread title is still very arbitrary.
Users, especially new users, may stumble upon this 'solution' and it really won't help them (at least as far as the lag is concerned), so it helps to be accurate in providing possible solutions.
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It's actually the TouchWiz adding the RFS and the programming design itself causing the lag, I found one here by replacing the Touchwiz with tweak touchwiz and everything really good, I did the Voodoo the rest is history no more lags... I am using Push emails, Feedback for Facebook and Twitter, Beautiful widgets and I am not freeing RAM. It's really the skinning(touchwiz) causing problems with lag issues. Trust me
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Nice. But the lag seems to occur with alternative launchers as well and within apps.
Wel i def agree with running LP over TouchWiz.. I found it very laggy on JPO.. LP on the otherhand...Smooth as silk
Ok. Apologies to everyone
The title was wrong. This wasn't intended as a solution, but more like and info sharing
IMO the root cause of the lag fix is not necessarily RFS, but stupid Samsung software.
as always: if you don't know what you're doing, don't post it as a "fix" or general truth...
I've said it before and i'll say it again:
alcohol helps very well against a head each... but it's not a cure!
What we're trying to accomplish here, is a CURE...
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Ok. Apologies to everyone
The title was wrong. This wasn't intended as a solution, but more like and info sharing
IMO the root cause of the lag fix is not necessarily RFS, but stupid Samsung software.
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No problem. And thanks for your suggestions.
Sorry i know there's posts on app killers being safe or not, just had a question towards it.
i currently have the HTC but soon to upgrade to the HTC Evo, and when i get the Evo i want to do this a safer way.
on my HTC hero ive used Advance App killer, or Estrong Task Manager. but over the 5 months of having this phone. ive noticed a HUGE decrease in speed. before i could open and close apps and it would be semi fast. and now some take 3-4 seconds. ive flashed roms and then go back to original settings. im not downloading any apps really except:
Winamp, Angry Bird, Zenonia, pandora, Battle.net blizz authenticator. and task killer. so my memory isn't being taken up all that much.
I'm not trying to start a pro vs con task killer debate, but I've had no reason to use one on my EVO. When I had my Hero I had to use them constantly, but mine was stock unrooted 2.1.
it could be how the hero handles froyo...my returns had similar issue after flashing cm 6 for froyo...i may be wrong...technically as far as I know froyo don't need a task killer.
ok well thank you for ur input
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it could be how the hero handles froyo...my returns had similar issue after flashing cm 6 for froyo...i may be wrong...technically as far as I know froyo don't need a task killer.
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i noticed with froyo ive had issues with them more cause it doesnt close them at all. it says it does but reopens everythign the exact same second. like mu music, messaging, email, internet, ect...
but when i went back to stock it just seems my phone lost so much speed. takes forever to open anything now
There is no reason to kill apps with froyo. Use Autostarts to prevent crap from starting and let Android do its thing. If you think your phone is running sluggish, do a hot reboot instead of killing apps. If you want to use a task manager, SystemPanel is the only one I recommend, and not for its app killing. It has a lot of other features to help you diagnose issues and keep track of what apps are doing.
awesome, thank you again metalhead.
As long as you use a froyo rom, it handles task killing all by itself. If you insist on using a task killer, try Autokiller from the market. Its not a traditional task killer, it lets you tweak the task killing to certain degrees. Give it a shot.
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awesome, thank you again metalhead.
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noooo prob
Sab3r One said:
As long as you use a froyo rom, it handles task killing all by itself. If you insist on using a task killer, try Autokiller from the market. Its not a traditional task killer, it lets you tweak the task killing to certain degrees. Give it a shot.
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Agree, it is better on the long run