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Htc Universal Memory Upgrade.

Hi
I Need Information About Upgrading The Ram Memory Of My Xda Exec.i'll Realy Appreciate A Do It Yourself Info.along With The Actual Tipe Of Memory And How Much Would Be The Maximum I Can Upgrade It To.any Info Will Be Well Appreciated!
Thanks!

the only thing I can think of is, that the Universal has some empty places for memory on the pcb.
if you are good in soldering SMD mounted memory you can check, if this is possible and where you must solder them in the universal by looking in the service manual (which also explains how to take apart the device).
the service manual you can find in the ftp of xda-developers.com.
if you do not know what is SMD etc. then just forget it as you will for sure screw up your device.
for what do you need more memory?

it has been tried, and you can find a forum post on this site about 8 - 10 months old.
there is a spare slot on the main board. it was done and added, but the OS didnt recognise the extra addition.
i find it odd. it was proposed that M$ OS limited its use, however, my wife has an IPAQ running WM5, and she has about 130mb of program memory (cant check she isnt here). Sure its not a phone, doesnt have 3G or GPRS etc, but as PDA, its fast, never runs out of memory, and has more than what mine does. So it isnt M$, it must be HTC manufacturer.
In summary, no matter how good you solder, it aint gonna work.

I also remember reading somwhere that with the extra memory the battery will drain way to fast thus rendering the upgrade utterly useless

Bro u shld really forget this thght coz as it is mentioned above dat even v know dat there is an empty slot provided by the hardware manuf. but there is no support recognized by our M$ OS .

So let's get this straight once and for all:
I've read through a lot of threads regarding this, and some ppl say that the limitation lies with WM, some say that it does NOT lie with WM, some say that you have to get the hardware correctly hooked up, some say that the soldering has to be correct.........
It seems nobody has been able to settle the issue conclusively one way or the other.
so, does a pocketpc device exist that:
a) is based on the same CPU as the uni
b) has more than 64MB of RAM (128/256)
c) has WM5/6 and it sees all of the RAM??
If such a device exists, then in theory no ROM change should be necessary, and the answer should lie with hooking up the additional/replacement chips correcctly.
Thoughts along this road?
D.

Develo said:
So let's get this straight once and for all:
I've read through a lot of threads regarding this, and some ppl say that the limitation lies with WM, some say that it does NOT lie with WM, some say that you have to get the hardware correctly hooked up, some say that the soldering has to be correct.........
It seems nobody has been able to settle the issue conclusively one way or the other.
so, does a pocketpc device exist that:
a) is based on the same CPU as the uni
b) has more than 64MB of RAM (128/256)
c) has WM5/6 and it sees all of the RAM??
If such a device exists, then in theory no ROM change should be necessary, and the answer should lie with hooking up the additional/replacement chips correcctly.
Thoughts along this road?
D.
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it cant be a limitation of the "os" as atena has 128 mb ram

Think most if not all the WM6 models are now 128mb at least aren't they? Would seem to point towards HTC issue...

the universal was originally a wm2003se device with 128mb ram, they made it down to 64mb with the release of wm5, this is why the slots remain. If you can solder bga (needs an x-ray machine to verify the connections) and also find out how to get the memory noticed by the motherboard then it's a simple hex edit to make wm5/6 use it.

Interesting. Suppose I get the bga chips soldered on correctly.
1) What has to be done to wm5/6 so that the added ram gets seen?
2) I read someqhere that soldering just the bga chips is not enough. It seems that some additional parts are required. How about we get a detailed explanation going here?
Or is there a thread somewhere else about this already? I've searched around but haven't seen an explanation...
D.
Edit: while using an xray really insures that the connections are correct, I've soldered bgas before using more traditional methods (i.e.: hot plate + hot air gun). Doing this can damage the bga chips you;re trying to solder, but it is not that hard to do. Plus, I think the risk of damaging a few of the new chips you just bought is worth getting the final reward of doubling the RAM of the Uni...

BlackICE said:
for what do you need more memory?
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That's the only reason I want to sell mine, because it has too little memory. I cannot start Navigon Mobile Navigator 6. Well I can start it but as soon as I want to search for a route to my Destination it lacks memory.
I found out that with PDAViet's ROM (one of the older Crossbow ones) where it has about 30 MB free it works, but I normaly have only about 22-24 MB left after syncing with no Program running. That's too little. This is why I wait for the Ultimate 7150 from IMATE.

simon_darley said:
i find it odd. it was proposed that M$ OS limited its use, however, my wife has an IPAQ running WM5, and she has about 130mb of program memory (cant check she isnt here). Sure its not a phone, doesnt have 3G or GPRS etc, but as PDA, its fast, never runs out of memory, and has more than what mine does. So it isnt M$, it must be HTC manufacturer.
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That's why I'm awaiting the new ones from IMate. Perhaps they are fast as they are supposed to be. My MDA III (That's the BlueAngel) was much faster than the MDA Pro (Universal)

NiTeSHiFT said:
That's why I'm awaiting the new ones from IMate. Perhaps they are fast as they are supposed to be. My MDA III (That's the BlueAngel) was much faster than the MDA Pro (Universal)
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yes but that was because Storage Memory was also in RAM...

Develo said:
1) What has to be done to wm5/6 so that the added ram gets seen?
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Nothing should be done. Device would detect 128Mb automatically if RAM is correctly soldered. The RAM detection code is identical to the code used in BlueAngel ROM, so it should be working.
I even made a patched ROM on which device always think that 128Mb RAM is installed. So the problem is in soldering
2) I read someqhere that soldering just the bga chips is not enough. It seems that some additional parts are required. How about we get a detailed explanation going here?
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There are 2 resistors that need to be shifted. Search forum, we've published the fotos.
But that is not enough, the whole RAM is not accessible, so something else should be soldered.

Does anyone know if the new imate ultimate series will recognize an sd / mini sd card greater than 2mb??

Midget_1990 said:
the universal was originally a wm2003se device with 128mb ram, they made it down to 64mb with the release of wm5, this is why the slots remain. If you can solder bga (needs an x-ray machine to verify the connections) and also find out how to get the memory noticed by the motherboard then it's a simple hex edit to make wm5/6 use it.
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Does anyone have one of these 2003SE Uni's, to compare hardware? Has anyone seen one of these?

It was never released as a WM2003 device though before it was changed to run WM5. Finding one is pretty much impossible if anything.. I do recall a year or two ago a chinese user of the device soldered the ram on the device and got it to detect the full 128mb. His work was never posted here though, I came across it on google a long time ago. If I find the page I'll post it here.

good god please do that!!!!!!!! I've been racking my brains out reading datasheets and googling and reading stuff about this, and I've been wondering for the longest time how come nobody has done it yet!!
Hope you find that page again!!!! I sure haven't!
D.

Has anyone tried looking for FCC or Patent Diagrams?
I've been trying emailing reviewers who had pre-production ones, especially the ones who's articles said 128mb of ram

Sounds very good all this,
Hopefully someone finds out how this is to be done.
Oh and i am willing to try it out too (hmm man too bad i cannot solder bga chips)

Should I Get An Orbit

Hi all,
this is my first post on this site. I was planning on getting an XDA orbit through o2 this week as an upgrade to my current contract. This would be my first PDA phone and i was looking forward to it and all the possiblities it includes. However after reading the posts on here i'm having second thoughts. This is mainly down to the MicroSD memory corruption issue. First of all is the likely to happen to my orbit if i get one, will there be a fix for it and is it a big enough problem for me not to bother and look at an alternative instead.Also does anybody use there PDA though a mac instead of a PC and does it cause many compatibility issues?
Any feedback would be greatly appreciated
Thanks in advance
James

JimboXiii said:
However after reading the posts on here i'm having second thoughts. This is mainly down to the MicroSD memory corruption issue. First of all is the likely to happen to my orbit if i get one, will there be a fix for it and is it a big enough problem for me not to bother and look at an alternative instead.
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Much as I admire the technology and form factor of the Orbit, I certainly could not advise you to get one until the MicroSD issue has been resolved.
Can you really afford to have a device which functions as your telephone/calendar/to do list/phone book/navigation device, but which you never know whether it will be OK or corrupted when you need to use it? Read through the (> 46 page long) thread here and take a guess on how likely you are to experience this problem.
HTC were supposed to be developing a fix, but it has been a long time now and nothing has been forthcoming. There has also been speculation that WM6 will be provided free of charge to owners, but this is a HTC decision not an O2 one. If you buy an O2 branded Orbit, you will need to wait until O2 decide whether they will make WM6 available. If they do, it may or may not be a chargeable upgrade, and there will certainly be a further delay while they apply the O2 customisations to the build.

Hi
I have had my Orbit for around 4 months now. I read the tread mentioned above and did worry about card corruption. So far it has only happened to me once (touch wood) but I had synced my whole SD card to my pc, so all i needed to do was reformat it using either my phone or a card reader an copy all the data back again, worked a treat.
have a look for 'Mob Sync' i got a free version from http://www.xda-orbit.com/
Apart from the card issue I have been really happy with mine.

I strongly recommend you to wait with final decision until Windows Mobile 6 for this device. I bought HTC Artemis (unbranded) and I regularly read HTC's answers that they are working on SD card problem issue. If this bug will exist in HTC P3300 with WM6 I will return device. It's not possible to use this as "Personal Digital Assistant" when your data are gone from time to time.
@richiev4
I'm happy with all that great features of Artemis too and I wish you luck with your device, but remember that data corruption problem occurs randomly. My device worked flawlessly 2 weeks, other time 3 hours so you never know.
So stay tuned and save your money if you can...
Cheers

I was in that delimma 2 weeks ago, saw extensive support for P3300 with the HTC itself committing to releasing the WM6 ROM's as well for it, so I ended up getting the P3300

jontymisra said:
I was in that delimma 2 weeks ago, saw extensive support for P3300 with the HTC itself committing to releasing the WM6 ROM's as well for it, so I ended up getting the P3300
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Well that's a level of commitment that I certainly haven't seen from HTC! They have known about the Data Card Corruption issue for quite a long time now, and they still haven't actually done anything about it.
Also, the original question was about getting an O2 Orbit, not a HTC P3300. Even if HTC do release a WM6 ROM, there is no guarantee that it will actually fix the data corruption problem or that O2 will decide to release it. And even if O2 do decide to release it, there is no guarantee that it will be free of charge to their customers. Plus there would be (another) delay while they add the O2 customizations.
The lifetime of a Smartphone or PDA is probably below 1 year now. Why spend money on a device that you cannot rely on, in the hope that there might be a fix some time in the future? If I knew then what I know now, I would not have bought my Orbit.

Sadly, in Canada these phones are not available to buy thru a contract, you have to buy them unlocked and at full price.

Harrier Forum?

Is it completely absurd me thinking that there should be a forum added for the Harrier as it is CDMA? I'm just thinking it would be a lot more convenient for people to find solutions for their particular hardware.

It would be nice since what works on the BA obviously doesn't work on the Harrier, but I think there must be an unusually small number of people that use the Harrier. It seems there is little interest in the Harrier judging by the fact you posted this question over 2 weeks ago and I'm the 1st to respond!

iam also intrested

Very Interrested.

I would be too. But everything has been said and done already about the Harrier (6600s). And until someone figures out how to get the rom updated to WM5 or 6 there is nothing else. Every other forum is dead or removed that I know of. I brought up trying to use the WM5 rom for a samsung i730 as our stepping stone. But as of now there hasn't been any reply.
I'll say it again. If anyone could tell (show) me how to strip down the rom from the i730 to just the OS and the drivers, I think we could get somewhere. But I know next to nothing about it. And sure as hell don't know enough to go it on my own.

The main problem is the bootloader, not OS. To run WM5/6, you need a WM5/6 compatible bootloader. The OS itself is actually not device specific. It can actually be ported from one device to another with relative ease. The drivers may be a problem, but I've heard in some cases WM2003 drivers can work, and I think most drivers from the Blue Angel may work in the Harrier with the exception of the radio drivers. So basically, I think even tearing the i730 ROM apart won't help. That's not even considering the XIP! Most files in the XIP are device-specific. Even if we had a WM5/6 capable bootloader, I'm not sure we could come up with a compatible XIP.
Samsung bootloaders are usually very, very different from HTC. It's remotely possible it could work, but if it doesn't, it will PERMANENTLY brick the phone. It could definitely at least get us further ahead if it were possible to try different bootloaders, but experimenting with bootloaders is 100% guaranteed to brick the phone. That would be no big deal if someone knew the JTAG pads in order to repair a bricked phone with corrupt bootloader, but without knowing the JTAG pads, it's rather silly to even attempt it.
Most of the time when a device doesn't support WM5/6, but someone made it work, it's using the bootloader and XIP out of a leaked ROM. Perhaps through a secret connection through someone that works at HTC.
I tore apart my 6700's ROM and noticed there's a file, RadioServicePresent.dll that seems specific to CDMA whose description is "Harrier Radio Present Service". Could that possibly mean somewhere, there is a prototype WM5 for Harrier?

HTC P3300 needs USB port repair, any experience with PPC Techs?

After trying all types of tricks, I am still unable to get my USB port on the Artemis to do anything but charge the phone. I am dying to stick a Tom_codon firmware on the thing but without a USB port I am pretty much dead in the water. Anyone have any experience with PPC Techs repair service? They seem like they are pretty fast at turnaround time. I am curious how much a mini-USB port repair might cost. Don't they just open the case, de-solder old port, solder in a new one, close it and run some diagnostics or does it go deeper than that?
Any experience or pricing info for this type of repair would be appreciated. Thanks!
Really wish we had some news on the HTC Polaris...might be vaporware!
Dubhead

No one has ever used PPC Techs??
Looks like everyone has a perfectly functional Artemis all the time?! I would love to get mine repaired if it is worthwhile, especially since the WM6 upgrade is out from HTC. Anyways, please weigh in with your thoughts/experiences in getting a repair done either from PPC Techs or HTC themselves. Thanks!
~Dubhead~

Hi,
my Problem is exactly the same. But I cant send it to t-mobile because i've flashed an WM6 for O2 and without USB I can't update to the original German T-Mobile ROM.
Greetings
Ali

I had a minor probelm with the USB connector where the headphones would crack and splutter on playback.
I used some good contact cleaner and it seems to have done the trick.

Aligator said:
Hi,
my Problem is exactly the same. But I cant send it to t-mobile because i've flashed an WM6 for O2 and without USB I can't update to the original German T-Mobile ROM.
Greetings
Ali
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if your device is CID-Unlocked you can flash any rom with micro-sd-card and bootloader. go to wiki
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here the link to wiki: Artemis SD Card Flashing

BT Operator Logo

Upgraded BT BB Anywhere HTC S620 to Kavana's excellent wm6.1 rom. All working great.
Anyone know how to restore BT as the operator logo instead of vodafone?

Am afraid i dont.
I have the same phone and also flashed it.
BT runs on the Vodaphone network.
Does it matter the op logo is not BT? its not like you havent invalidated ur warranty already.

No it's not a big deal really, just wondered if it could be done.

i had this issue, but strangely, a few days later, it returned to BT on its own, whereas it had said vodafone
very strange.

I've had kavana 6.1 on for a few weeks now so I don't think it's going to change now. I could always phone BT & say their logo has disappeared from the phone, I'm sure they would be helpfull...yeah right

trevaaaaaaa said:
Upgraded BT BB Anywhere HTC S620 to Kavana's excellent wm6.1 rom. All working great.
Anyone know how to restore BT as the operator logo instead of vodafone?
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What about getting the logo off the phone body "debadge"
Thought about thinners "No it will discolour"
Brillo pad "Sounds a bit extreme"
Sticker "Bound to come off"
Any ideas hate the reminder of BT everytime i look at my phone
If you have to return phone ever make sure you reflash BT ROM http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=a1e428ed720bdf418c9e7c56ba37815f84a9dca793b93f60

Wish I could help with the internal operator logo. US phones don't display them.
As for the case badge, the usual remedy is rubbing it with table sugar with your fingers. If not careful, it could mar the finish, but it's the surest way to get the branding removed without harming the phone.

stylez said:
If you have to return phone ever make sure you reflash BT ROM http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=a1e428ed720bdf418c9e7c56ba37815f84a9dca793b93f60
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Providing the phone is in a fit state to be reflashed of course, knowing my luck the phone will die one day & I won't be able to reflash before returning. Although I think if I had kept the BT **** on there another second I would have binned it anyway.

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Providing the phone is in a fit state to be reflashed of course, knowing my luck the phone will die one day & I won't be able to reflash before returning. Although I think if I had kept the BT **** on there another second I would have binned it anyway.
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I know's what you mean, i have not upgraded to Kavana, due to my phone working extremely well with a re-set and OC'd, WM6.1 looks nice but bound to use more RAM.
I'm a happy owner.
I put this together for BT users who want to re-set there device, but not void warranty by a ROM update http://www.s620.blogspot.com/ but don't know where to put it doubt BT would like me to put link on there forum???
Have linked off my blog which is on the BT anywhere links, so hope people see it anyway.

Great blog, screenshots look good, I may go down that path next.
Won't the warranty be void if they realise it's been OC'd?, come to think of it would they even check the phone if it was sent back, probably just post out another one.
Would be nice if BT released a 6.1 upgrade, I'm going to find it hard to ditch this.

trevaaaaaaa said:
Great blog, screenshots look good, I may go down that path next.
Won't the warranty be void if they realise it's been OC'd?, come to think of it would they even check the phone if it was sent back, probably just post out another one.
Would be nice if BT released a 6.1 upgrade, I'm going to find it hard to ditch this.
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Thank you for comments
If you reset phone before going back for repair etc, then there is no trace of software install. They underclock them anyway.
What proof do they have some screenshots with a program installed
I like the way it looks and i'm far more into having a fast phone than one that looks great, but the WM6.1 builds do look amazing.
Trevaaaaaaa take look @ my security Blog also links to Multi-Media under sig.

stylez,
would you have HTC_S710_WWE_BT... ROM? I have a BT HTC S710, which needs reflashing or rebranding because by mistake after using HTC original on it, I needed to reflash, in the process I ended up with a partial reflash (S620), now my smartphone does not show anything on the screen. I have sound from key presses and two green lights on either side of ear piece.
YOSEFE

If im not mistaken, the S710 is the VOX.
You would have a better change going to the vox forum and asking them after you read around to see if one is posted.

Mikey1022 said:
If im not mistaken, the S710 is the VOX.
You would have a better change going to the vox forum and asking them after you read around to see if one is posted.
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I have spent days on the HTC S710 posts. No one is coming out with an answer. At the moment they all point to the BT ROM for HTC S620.
BT can only take it in for repairs.
I am in a fix over this one.
7 days no phone.
YOSEFE