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Guys and gals,
Being a WM user since probably 5-6 years, i am having a "faith crisis" :-(
I am a proud owner of TP2 running wm6.5, and am loving all the development, hacking and customisability you get with WM (thanks to this great community obviously).
Problem is i am being more and more drawn to android OS, and its rapid development, applications, net integration etc.
was wondering if there's anyone out there with rhodium having the same doubts??
Rhodium is bloody good piece of hardware, and its a shame to let it go, but looking at Hero....
well, its tempting. cant have both :-(
Well, my single biggest reason for buying a TP2 was the keyboard, so....
ditto, Keyboard is the main reason.
Keyboard Keyboard keyboard... and more customization and hacking then any other Mobile OS.
svyatko said:
Guys and gals,
Being a WM user since probably 5-6 years, i am having a "faith crisis" :-(
I am a proud owner of TP2 running wm6.5, and am loving all the development, hacking and customisability you get with WM (thanks to this great community obviously).
Problem is i am being more and more drawn to android OS, and its rapid development, applications, net integration etc.
was wondering if there's anyone out there with rhodium having the same doubts??
Rhodium is bloody good piece of hardware, and its a shame to let it go, but looking at Hero....
well, its tempting. cant have both :-(
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Why not just run Andriod on your Rhodium..........................
Hero has no keyboard and can not run WinMo (Not without a great deal of Dev work anyway) Rhodium can run Android with very little work required and you could still run WinMo too.............
Hope that helps persuade your reasoning...........
Rhodium looks way better too
Cheers,
Beasty
Agree with beasty.
Rhodium has keyboard that for some (like me) is a must!
Also Android is a young and unmature OS, perhaps in the future can be an option but not for now.
Just my 2 cents,
The TP2 because of WM customization, flexability, business use, rom flashing, tweeks, etc......
ok well w eneed someone to get started on androiid for the tp2 n now doghnut has native cdma
iPhone is 100% toy, Android phones are 90% toy, WM phones are 50% toy. Some of us have to do real work sometimes, and we're not buying our phones for the fart noise apps.
godefroi said:
iPhone is 100% toy, Android phones are 90% toy, WM phones are 50% toy. Some of us have to do real work sometimes, and we're not buying our phones for the fart noise apps.
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ROFL,
I wonder how many are using that on WM though, I know it is available..........
You are correct though, WM is purely for business use as its main function.
Android is coming up fast but still needs a lot of work to convince me to be my main PDA OS.
IPhone, so far behind, the kids can keep it.
Cheers,
Beasty
According to the Engadget review of Hero, the Sense UI is quite sluggish. So all that glitters is not gold.
http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/htc-hero-for-sprint-hands-on-and-impressions/
A local guy here is selling his used but excellent condition AllTel TP2 for $150. 1. Can AllTell TP2 be unlocked and used on Sprint network? I have SERO.
2. What's the best Android ROM for TP2 out right now? What's not working?
3. I have Myn's ROM on my touch (vogue) and love it very much. Will Android TP2 give me much better phone than the one I have?
Sorry I haven't had much time to research this. I need to make decision to buy quickly before he sells it to someone else. Please help. Thanks a lot!! Hoping to join TP2 community soon.
Android is not completely working on the TP2, not flawlessly .. so if you want to buy this phone so you can run Android flawlessly on it, than you should reconsider
I used an Touch Vogue for a few weeks before getting a TP2. I ran Android on the Vogue, in my quest to make the device halfway modern and usable. I don't miss Android at all on the TP2, because HTC has done a good enough job providing their own interface layer on top of WM 6.5. It's not perfect, but it's good enough that I don't feel like I need to hack the device to death, like I did with the Vogue (ended up with WM 6.5 and TouchFlo 2D on the Vogue, which was okay, but the hardware sucked too bad). I've been following Android development on the TP2, and it's way too alpha right now for real day to day use. Last I checked they didn't have data going yet. They're making good progress, but it will probably be months before it's really stable and robust.
As far as the hardware goes, the TP2 is so far ahead of the Vogue it's insane. Granted, there is still better hardware than the TP2, but you'll feel like you went from the 1990s to 2000s when you upgrade. It's hard to believe the Vogue was released within months of the iPhone, because the comparison is laughable.
Man... my TP2 is Resting in Pieces...
im happy with what i got to do with it thx to xda devs...
but had issues with stereo bluetooth...with video playback.... and more generally with slow speed of the machine...
im wondering if i should go to HD2 but that baby lacks a keyboard...
or maybe wait on a TP3 ...
Ive been a htc guy for almost 6-7 years...but there was always something to complain about with them...
before buying the TP2 i thought it was the perfect machine...until i saw how slow the cpu was...and that the HD had twice its speed....that the wm system still needed rebooting often...
I hate apple, i dont feel like trying android...i think i will hate windows 7....
like i hated vista after XP...
i like my NRG romd on TP2 and now beeing able to run Rhobuntu feels amazing...especially with a real keyboard...
but after a year with the same machine...it doesnt feel right to put 300€ in another new TP2...
i know this thread is completly pointless... unless i get some good advice...
but i just had to let it out to my fellow TP2 owners
http://www.xpphone.com/en/ cant wait to see this in the stores
No go on spending 300 euro on a new TP2. So, how about spending 193 euro on a used TP2?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=726801
as much as i love my TP2, compared to what they have out there now, the TP2 is outdated and slow. I'd try to pick up a snapdragon device if you're putting in 300 euros...seems worthless to buy outdated equipment.
Do you want to stick with WM6.5? or is there any chance you'd be willing to jump ship to android? I know this is semi-blasphemous in this forum, but i wouldn't mind a nice desire for myself (stupid ATT doesn't have any good phones. damn them!).
either way, good luck!
No offense, but you're likely making an unfair comparison.
The TP2 came with Sense 2.1. Thats what it was designed to use. Putting Sense 2.5, which was designed for another phone on the TP2, and expecting it to still perform well is unfair. It's like me putting Win7 on a computer thats 3 years old and originally shipped with WinXP. It might run, but its not gonna be pretty.
I spurned Sense altogether and went with SPB Mobile Shell. My phone FLIES. No lockups ever, better battery life, and I've grown to actually prefer the interface over time and with a lot of tweaking.
This aside, I agree with others that if I was in the market to buy a new phone right now, the TP2 is obviously outdated. Unless I was getting a crazy good deal (under $150), I'd go for something else.
Also dont forget that WM7 is likely coming out by year's end.
thx for everybody"s feedack...i actually went n bought a new TP2 for 220€ from a local ad...hoping insurance will upload me some $$
i did my unlocking with olipro app : thx for the great job on that
even though im having issues with the tp2...its a love hate relationship
i love what i can do with it...but i hate what the slow proc and maybe wm system does to me...
i really like the sense 2.5 interface but i started testing android and it seems promising... but i wouldnt go for a device with android only...i hope the port will be fully functionnal one day.
from the screens i see wm7 looks ugly so i doubt i will go for it...
i guess ill just have to keep this one clean for sale when the tp3 come out
its a shame windows/HTC are loosing the smartphone battle when they were the first ones on it...
most apps and games look like they are from the 80s compared to a iphone...
but i prefer by far sense 2.5 NRG rom with cookiemonster than than apple's interface.
There appear to be a number of folk here who feel that WP7 is a step backward from WM6.5 in terms of feature set, customisability, hackability etc. What then would people propose as an alternative once WM6.5 is finally dead and buried, Android? Iphone? Symbian/ Maemo? or will you give WP7 a chance?
adesonic said:
There appear to be a number of folk here who feel that WP7 is a step backward from WM6.5 in terms of feature set, customisability, hackability etc. What then would people propose as an alternative once WM6.5 is finally dead and buried, Android? Iphone? Symbian/ Maemo? or will you give WP7 a chance?
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So much fight here about it.....
Well I'm still not decided.
But I know I want to give WP7 a go.
Looks great and I would be happy to have clean, unified UI.
Limitations which are apparent on WP7 make it unusable at this point.
Android is the most complete but I just really don't like it's interface...
Probably staying with 6.5 for some time....
i personally cant be bothered to hack my my phone and look for custom ROM to flash. surely people only do this if they are not happy with their phone.if you dont like the OS. dont get it. its the reason why im not getting android, or an iphone. all phones have great features missing from them. and wp7 is only in its first phase improvement like copy and paste will come. ive only got 1 complaint, and that is that i cannot use it as a flash drive but then again, if i did that, would it slow down to a crawl??? wp7 is dead easy, i dont have time to muck around like i used to with wm6.5 on my touch diamond 2. i want it all, and i want it all now. so im sticking with wp7.
davidebanks said:
i personally cant be bothered to hack my my phone and look for custom ROM to flash. surely people only do this if they are not happy with their phone.if you dont like the OS. dont get it. its the reason why im not getting android, or an iphone. all phones have great features missing from them. and wp7 is only in its first phase improvement like copy and paste will come. ive only got 1 complaint, and that is that i cannot use it as a flash drive but then again, if i did that, would it slow down to a crawl??? wp7 is dead easy, i dont have time to muck around like i used to with wm6.5 on my touch diamond 2. i want it all, and i want it all now. so im sticking with wp7.
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Same thoughts here. Was cooking my own 6.5roms to get a slim and working OS but sinceI got my HD7, I've stop cooking totally because WP7 is very fast and stable for me. Sure there are areas I'm not happy with, but at least, I have more time to live my life now since I stopped cooking roms.
I'm not here to convince anyone to go WP7, each OS has it's pros and cons, and each of us are completely different and see things and have different needs, so we go for different phones, something that works for us.
zard said:
Same thoughts here. Was cooking my own 6.5roms to get a slim and working OS but sinceI got my HD7, I've stop cooking totally because WP7 is very fast and stable for me. Sure there are areas I'm not happy with, but at least, I have more time to live my life now since I stopped cooking roms.
I'm not here to convince anyone to go WP7, each OS has it's pros and cons, and each of us are completely different and see things and have different needs, so we go for different phones, something that works for us.
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LOL , you just made a lot of people angry by stopping with cooking rom's .
I think I will stick with wm 6.5 for awhile. I use it as a Mass storage device & tether with it often. I also am really used to using smart dialing which I can't understand why it wasn't added to WP7. I'll wait to a few months after WP7 lands on Sprint to see what the updates have brought & what hackers have opened. If more functionality is available on WP7 I'll get it, if not I'll go with Android when I want to upgrade because of hardware
shouldn't this be in the winmo section???
adesonic said:
There appear to be a number of folk here who feel that WP7 is a step backward from WM6.5 in terms of feature set, customisability, hackability etc. What then would people propose as an alternative once WM6.5 is finally dead and buried, Android? Iphone? Symbian/ Maemo? or will you give WP7 a chance?
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I'm going to wait for the 2nd generation of WP7 phones and OS (or at least an OS update or two). I was ready to get a focus, then I realized I'd be losing some features I enjoy on my TP2 (multitasking, tethering, call manager) just to gain a newer OS.
I also want premium hardware and design which the first generation doesn't seem to offer. DVP comes close though.
i switched to android, never looked back
WhyBe said:
I'm going to wait for the 2nd generation of WP7 phones and OS (or at least an OS update or two). I was ready to get a focus, then I realized I'd be losing some features I enjoy on my TP2 (multitasking, tethering, call manager) just to gain a newer OS.
I also want premium hardware and design which the first generation doesn't seem to offer. DVP comes close though.
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wait, you are using a plastic phone with a plastic resistive screen and are talking about premium hardware???
There should be another choice "I would celebrate with Dom Perignon!" Please put the 6.5 out of it's misery already!
One thing is sure for me, I will not be joinging the iPhone family.
Possibly Maemo or Androd. Depends what kiind of devices will be out by then.
W7 only if there has been lots of needed updates and/or hacks/roms and such.
Any poll in a specific device forum will always have support for that device.
Poll threads should be in common forum to get a neutral response from ALL, IF the thread starter wants to know EVERYONE's opinion.
Just my 2C
nrfitchett4 said:
shouldn't this be in the winmo section???
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Life after WM6.5 to which he refers is precisely WP7. then the correct section!
A little off-topic, but correct!
I found that I was having to flash new ROMs etc to my 6.5 because the UI and features available to a standard WinMo was rubbish. I never liked the 6.5 OS much, I just liked the ability to customise and look deeper into the phone
I am now on WP7 and would never look back on 6.5.
At the moment I don't see I have much choice - Android here I come I think.
The gains in slick simple UI are insufficient in my case to outweigh the loss of functionality vs 6.5.
Many of the other advantages (gaming for example) are of no interest to me on my phone (I am not the target market).
I will stick with 6.5 until at least Phone Alarm is released for Android, then it will become viable for me. Hopefully this will be early 2011.
nrfitchett4 said:
wait, you are using a plastic phone with a plastic resistive screen and are talking about premium hardware???
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:lol: My premium phone standards were set by my SE X1, not the TP2. I would really love to see a WP7 version of the X1. Hopefully the X7 will deliver. But knowing SE, it won't be released until next November.
WhyBe said:
:lol: My premium phone standards were set by my SE X1, not the TP2. I would really love to see a WP7 version of the X1. Hopefully the X7 will deliver. But knowing SE, it won't be released until next November.
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Ditto. X1 was excellent.
Currently on X2 which is actually better in many regards.
Anyway, I just hope SE will make it around Feb/March.
So it will catch upgrades which are for me necessary.
And until core apps I use on WM 6.5 will be functional/supported
I can just wait for some time....
I find it hard to believe anyone speaks of the death of WinMo in the present tense. It died for me like 2 1/2 years ago and since then the iPhone has taken over the smartphone market, Android has taken over the spot WM6.5 used to occupy and Microsoft has done practically nothing until very recently. I bought a Focus and I like it, it's a magnitude nicer and easier to use than my old Fuze with WM6.5 and while it's lacking a lot of the functionality, that will come with time and, in the meantime, I don't need to take out my reading glasses and itty bitty cramp inducing stylus to use it. The Fuze is still sitting on my desk, unused, with a noticable layer of dust on it. And there it will sit until I finally tire of looking at it and throw it away. And good riddance!
I cannot speak for anyone but for me, I have been windows mobile user ever since palm treo with windows on it. Before making switch to WP7, my device was Tilt2 and I tweaked the crap out of it putting custom roms and radio to fit my taste. Although having the capability was great but my user experience was not all that great. Something was always wrong and the hardware and software wasn't working correctly, so I was constantly tweaking and tell you the truth I got tired.
I was ready to jump ship to Android with Samsung Captivate but as soon as the WP7 was arriving I decided to wait. Boy I am glad that I did, I am happy with my samsung focus. Although it's missing some functions now but I am sure it's on it's way, the stability and the fact that it just works and I do not have to tweak anything makes my life a lot easier. Could not be more happy with OS. At least so far.
My wife has iphone and looked at android and both are not really appealing to me. Android is not all that great even if with all the customization and tweaking.
My mom wants me to come to Verizon on her family plan, as I look at the phone selection nothing really interest me. The upcoming thunderbolt is much to big and I wont purchase any motorola device. I was going to get this on a one year contract, and then by the end up of the year, I'm sure there will be something out, that I will like, or should i just suck it up and buy a thunderbolt, since I do live in an LTE Area.
Forgot to add some details.
I am switching because i don't get t mobile service on my universitys campus.
I am a nexus one, if that matters at all.
Thanks
Dreday
Only VZW and HTC can say when the Incredible will go EOL. That being said, even if it goes EOL tomorrow, its functionality isn't going to decrease. You don't stand to lose much, if anything at all, by picking it up on a one year contract.
Conversely, there are some pretty compelling reasons (for some) to go with the Thunderbolt... better cpu, faster gpu, HTC Sense 2.0, DLNA, SVDO, et al.
Not known what isn't known
Yep - these new devices look/sound superb - for the future.
For now, a one-year contract the DInc is hard to beat - IF you are interested in modding/tweaking.
Why?
Until the new devices are released, rooted, and have an interested and solid group of innovative developers, they'll be mostly stock devices, with unknown mod choices.
The DInc has nearly a year's worth of development in the books, and the mods to show for it.
So, if you want a device with a solid bench of developers and flock of mods, the DInc is the way to go. If ya wanna run the latest/greatest device that's cool too, but the modification choices will be fewer until the development community catches up.
just my $.02
It's already been leaked that the Incred is going EOL on 3/31.
Berzerker7 said:
It's already been leaked that the Incred is going EOL on 3/31.
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good info, thanks. Even so, I still have my warranty, and I am getting a thunderbolt or bionic if its unlocked. idk if i can go outside HTC. They treat me well. and Verizon. They do ok.
smtom said:
Yep - these new devices look/sound superb - for the future.
For now, a one-year contract the DInc is hard to beat - IF you are interested in modding/tweaking.
Why?
Until the new devices are released, rooted, and have an interested and solid group of innovative developers, they'll be mostly stock devices, with unknown mod choices.
The DInc has nearly a year's worth of development in the books, and the mods to show for it.
So, if you want a device with a solid bench of developers and flock of mods, the DInc is the way to go. If ya wanna run the latest/greatest device that's cool too, but the modification choices will be fewer until the development community catches up.
just my $.02
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Yeah this is what keeps the incredible interesting it my not have the specs, but it has a solid dev community.
*sigh*
The DInc will never die!
Sent from God, who uses Virtuous 3.2