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Could we get a Forum for the HTC Dream

Could we get a Forum for the HTC Dream?
The HTC Dream (HTC G1) is due to be released in September/October in the US and possibly Europe

I second that. Dream forum please?

The site admin (Flar) is currently on vacation, perhaps post back in a weeks time and something might be arranged

Cool thanks. While we wait then theres a Dream Wiki here http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Dream

jagnet said:
Cool thanks. While we wait then theres a Dream Wiki here http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Dream
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A Dream Wiki...? Is that like a wiki where I can get info on my dreams, like WTF they mean and why I am always flashing ROMs...
Er. TMI I think
Dave

mikechannon said:
just a quick off-topic to keep the dream alive!
Years ago folk with the TyTn had problems with a sticking "E" key on their phone. Others wanted customised small on screen keyboards and I thought I'd combine those topics into a wiki that could be regularly updated:
The Weekly "Weak E, Wee Key Wiki"
Mike
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LMAO
Dave

mikechannon said:
just a quick off-topic to keep the dream alive!
Years ago folk with the TyTn had problems with a sticking "E" key on their phone. Others wanted customised small on screen keyboards and I thought I'd combine those topics into a wiki that could be regularly updated:
The Weekly "Weak E, Wee Key Wiki"
Mike
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good stuff i was wonding if its up but its not out yet... when it does... my dream will come true... lol.

Finally some official info out today. It'll be released in the US on October 22nd. Going for $179 with a 2 year contract. And I think $199 for a 1 year contract possibly...
Its the 1st time I've seen HTC sell a major phone exclusivly to the US. I only hope us in the rest of the world will get a release or a chance to get it out of network.

jagnet said:
Finally some official info out today. It'll be released in the US on October 22nd. Going for $179 with a 2 year contract. And I think $199 for a 1 year contract possibly...
Its the 1st time I've seen HTC sell a major phone exclusivly to the US. I only hope us in the rest of the world will get a release or a chance to get it out of network.
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Hmmm ... that's going to make my next phone purchase a tough one. AT&T's Rapheal, or T-Mobile's Dream. Windows or Android. Doh.

Tsss, its gotta be Android of course. I like Winmo too so far, since its really been the only proper OS over symbian and others for modibility and such. But opensource Android (linux) has clearly waaaaaay more flexibility and will be my 1st choice.
.

Can some-one rip the Amazon MP3 app, reverse engineer the api and bring it to Windows Mobile? How hard can it be? The underlying OS is open source, so the api calls can be easily identified, and it only downloads songs, so it cant be too complicated.
Surur

i'd like a touch hd WITH keyboard AND flash and android on it... the dream is nice but hasnt top notch specs... otherwise id like android (through haret) on my pharos

KyleK29 said:
Hmmm ... that's going to make my next phone purchase a tough one. AT&T's Rapheal, or T-Mobile's Dream. Windows or Android. Doh.
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Raphael. Mainly because Android will most certainly be recompiled to run on it, but probably not vice versa. They both run on the MSM7201A even.

Hey all. To dispel any rumors about the Dream (now officially the T-mobile G1) Ive added some more info to the Dream Wiki. All the info has been gleamed from the various official sources at the launch etc. Check it out, very informative.
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Dream
It would be great if XDA Dev guys could pop up a proper Forum group for the phone any time

I ma happy once again

Switched to sprint this month after being on T-Mo for 8 years(MDA(Wizard), Tilt(on T-Mo)(Kaiser), G1) and 5 days ago found out devastating news - HTC touch Pro2 is coming to T-Mobile(i am currently on Sprint Diamons and Touch Pro but would love a bigger screen(even at the cost of a worse processor)). Well today i found out that HTC Rhodium is coming to sprint and apparently looks(is?) a lot like Touch Pro2 Happy once again!
Best video reviews: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qupbdHx5n-4&NR=1
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ob79639k5V4&NR=1

as far as i know the rhodium is just a "alias" for touch pro 2 and that it is the same phone just like touch pro is equal to raphael or am i missing something? correct me if im wrong

Hojlind said:
as far as i know the rhodium is just a "alias" for touch pro 2 and that it is the same phone just like touch pro is equal to raphael or am i missing something? correct me if im wrong
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yup. correct

udgn will be banned soon for posting the same info on 4 places...
RESPECT THE RULES

Sorry
orb3000 said:
udgn will be banned soon for posting the same info on 4 places...
RESPECT THE RULES
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Did not knew about that.

pesok said:
Switched to sprint this month after being on T-Mo for 8 years(MDA(Wizard), Tilt(on T-Mo)(Kaiser), G1) and 5 days ago found out devastating news - HTC touch Pro2 is coming to T-Mobile(i am currently on Sprint Diamons and Touch Pro but would love a bigger screen(even at the cost of a worse processor)). Well today i found out that HTC Rhodium is coming to sprint and apparently looks(is?) a lot like Touch Pro2 Happy once again!
Best video reviews: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qupbdHx5n-4&NR=1
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ob79639k5V4&NR=1
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Yeah, it doesn't really matter because all 4 major US carriers are getting the Touch Pro 2 (and/or their variants). SO... you are okay no matter who are with!

sino8r said:
Yeah, it doesn't really matter because all 4 major US carriers are getting the Touch Pro 2 (and/or their variants). SO... you are okay no matter who are with!
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Unless Verizon decides to gimp this phone again like they did with the Touch Pro.

isangmahal said:
Unless Verizon decides to gimp this phone again like they did with the Touch Pro.
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Verizon's name is on the HTC spec. leak for the TP2 so you should be fine.
True they could scrap it but with the all other 3 big carriers getting it, I doubt they'd be that foolish...
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sino8r said:
Yeah, it doesn't really matter because all 4 major US carriers are getting the Touch Pro 2 (and/or their variants). SO... you are okay no matter who are with!
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So where is it announced that T-Mobile US is getting the Touch Pro2? And when???

biscuits1978 said:
So where is it announced that T-Mobile US is getting the Touch Pro2? And when???
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It was leaked not announced... look at the spreadsheet I posted. It says tmobile usa and verizon. sprint is also set to get one. and at&t. but the last two aren't on the spreadsheet but were leaked through other venues. Q3 is the release date for the USA.

Though I doubt it, I'm just hoping that the US carriers keep the front facing camera this time. I would love to have that for video conferencing. The phone is more than capable. Also, I slightly worried that the US carrier might gimp out on the Professional Speaker phone. Not that it's a major feature to me, but I'm looking forward to it none the less. Other than that I think we'll see it as is with maybe some varrying keyboard arrangements. Actually, I would be we will see some variance in the keyboard (Windows and OK keys please!!!!!!)

Unfortunately, I doubt ATT will get it any time soon. They were a way behind on the Fuze. Plus, from what i have heard and seen, they carry the WM phones for two years each. They Fuze has been out for less than 1, so they would not sell the fuze and pro2 at the same time.
I just can't decide if i should keep my tilt until then. .

tmo and att can keep der branded pieces of pie. i'll take muh unlocked tp2 now pleez sur.

KonAitor said:
Unfortunately, I doubt ATT will get it any time soon. They were a way behind on the Fuze. Plus, from what i have heard and seen, they carry the WM phones for two years each. They Fuze has been out for less than 1, so they would not sell the fuze and pro2 at the same time.
I just can't decide if i should keep my tilt until then. .
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I don't think the Fuze and TP2 will appeal to the same people, honestly, and rumor has it ATT will get TP2 late this year. It's possible that they won't brand it as "Fuze 2", but leave the TP2 name intact (personally, I just hope they leave the keyboard intact), further distinguishing the two from each other. The fuze is already at $150 with 2yr on Amazon. By the time the TP2 comes out, I expect it will be lower. The Fuze can still make money for ATT as the more budget-minded business class device.
Users who are inclined more towards media are going to lean towards the TP2 for its larger, higher-res display. High end business users will also be wooed by the noise-cancelling conference-styled speakerphone.

we all hope that the keyboard will be intact. but theres a good chance that it wont. at&t has a notorious rep for messing up their phones hardware. i'm just gonna get an unlocked one as soon as i can be sure that it will work with at&t's 3G bands

poppinpengawen said:
we all hope that the keyboard will be intact. but theres a good chance that it wont. at&t has a notorious rep for messing up their phones hardware. i'm just gonna get an unlocked one as soon as i can be sure that it will work with at&t's 3G bands
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Me too. Think ive finally decided to get the TP2 over the HD cause of more features. (ill have to deal with out the 3.5 jack tho :| )

Lyian said:
Me too. Think ive finally decided to get the TP2 over the HD cause of more features. (ill have to deal with out the 3.5 jack tho :| )
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and the touch HD doesn't support the U.S. 3G bands anyway since it was never officially offered in the States

Touch Pro3

Just had a dinner with a friend of mine who is the main distributor for HTC in Europe, and he informed that they will receive the first shipment of Touch Pro3's this summer and they will be on sale in Europe third quarter of this year. This is my main contact for HTC devices and he arranges a Touch Pro2 for me 4 months before it was officially released...He told me that the device will be much smaller and thinner, and soon he will provide me with the evidence including the full specifications Do you guys think this would be something you would purchase or would you rather wait for the Windows Phone 7?

LocDogg said:
Just had a dinner with a friend of mine who is the main distributor for HTC in Europe, and he informed that they will receive the first shipment of Touch Pro3's this summer and they will be on sale in Europe third quarter of this year. This is my main contact for HTC devices and he arranges a Touch Pro2 for me 4 months before it was officially released...He told me that the device will be much smaller and thinner, and soon he will provide me with the evidence including the full specifications Do you guys think this would be something you would purchase or would you rather wait for the Windows Phone 7?
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I'm not crazy about WP7, at least the initial release of info. They've killed everything that was great about WinMo and opted for the locked-down, iPhone-like, walled garden approach. I'd love a TP3 with WM6.5.3, more RAM, and a Snapdragon processor...and US 3G bands.

That kind of processor does sound pretty sweet. And the capacitive touch screen. But no hardware keyboard... I don't know what I'd do without it, but thats just me.

LocDogg said:
Just had a dinner with a friend of mine who is the main distributor for HTC in Europe, and he informed that they will receive the first shipment of Touch Pro3's this summer and they will be on sale in Europe third quarter of this year. This is my main contact for HTC devices and he arranges a Touch Pro2 for me 4 months before it was officially released...He told me that the device will be much smaller and thinner, and soon he will provide me with the evidence including the full specifications Do you guys think this would be something you would purchase or would you rather wait for the Windows Phone 7?
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Definately but it would have to have the hard keyboard, otherwise it wouldn't be a touch pro would it?!
totally agree with dwboston ...I'm with 6.5.# with better specs Not sold on windows 7 at all so far.

osrix25 said:
Definately but it would have to have the hard keyboard, otherwise it wouldn't be a touch pro would it?!
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It would be a Touch or HD...The main reason I would buy TP would be because of the hard keyboard...

I'll wait for the first Windows 7 Phone that includes a decent keyboard. Hopefully HTC, but would consider SonyEricsson as well.

I won't be touching a Windows phone ever again after this.
TP2 was a major disappointment for me because of OS, underpowered processor, and (nit picky) the fact that Telus (Canada) would release the version that does not work on their HSPA network.
I'll be swapping to Palm / webOS -- ideally the newer model that will be launched around the same time with a larger display.

Do You Think Screen Shots Will be Released Soon?

LocDogg said:
soon he will provide me with the evidence including the full specifications Do you guys think this would be something you would purchase or would you rather wait for the Windows Phone 7?
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I think it would depend on what those specs are... and have a hw-keyboard, of course. I wouldn't buy if all I knew was the name "TP3".

Seriously doubt if I'll be having anything WM again unless something spectacular happens. I like the TP2 hardware but WM really disappoints. I read somewhere that the HD2 is a wonderful piece of hardware crippled by it's software and that's how I feel about the TP2.
Android for me next I think

theres no pictures or specs or anything of the touch pro 3. theres no reason we really need wm7, it doesnt seem to bring much besides a new interface. ill still have my touch pro 2. and if i still have it while the current version of windows mobile dies, i hope android will be as close to 100% running on it as possible. i hope i dont get pushed into buying an iphone.

I would go for HD2+keyboard as TP3..thats my simple & easiest solution for HTC..

corepda said:
I would go for HD2+keyboard as TP3..thats my simple & easiest solution for HTC..
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Same here. Actually that would be my only replacement for my tp2.

windows phone 7 4 me

The only negs have found with TP2 is
1. Weight ... but it gives a solid feel
2. Faster processor
3. The zoom bar is quite useless - either make screen bigger/create a 'dpad'/make device smaller (not screen)
Have installed ZoomBarPlus today so will see if use the zoom bar more
Other than that very happy with TP2 ...nothing else on maket that would even consider at the moment

i don't see how the tp3 would be the 'upgrade' from tp2, or even tp1 if it's the htc tera as rumoured and specs are indeed as leaked
in fact, it seems like a downgrade and a complete disgrace to the 'touch pro' line (although it only consists of 2 phones, 4 if u include the tytn and tytn 2)
wqvga and a 600mhz qualcomm cpu which STILL doesn't have proper drivers? oh c'mon HTC. our patience is running out

Isn't this old news? Also HTC Thropy is cming this summer. The Debug ROMS are already out on the web....

xmoo said:
Isn't this old news? Also HTC Thropy is cming this summer. The Debug ROMS are already out on the web....
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That's Trophy, I assume...

Only if the TP3 has a processor on crack
I gotta agree that unless the physical specs are much better...such as a processor on steroids, I am quite happy with my TP2.
I like the solid feel, I absolutely LOVE the physical keyboard...and I am perfectly happy with 6.1 as it is super stable (even though 6.5 is prettier). My only complaint is the processor...I want a processor on crack!! Give me that while keeping all the faboo things about the TP2 and I may consider getting a TP3...otherwise, no way!!
As for WinMo7...not impressed with the info out there about it...sounds like a step backwards!!

Tera
I don´t think we will see any Touch Pro 3 in 2010, perhaps in 2011...
As for Tera, I don´t think it´s an upgrade for Rhodium
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Desire on AT&T sometime? Please?

I'm in love with the Desire, does anyone have any news in this regard? I've googled a lot and there are random rumours.. Even rumours at this point will keep me happy.
Note: Yes, I know, the N1 will work on AT&T. Now we have that out of the way.

Hate to burst your bubble, but I don't think it is coming. US Cellular is getting it, however they are CDMA carrier. As far as AT&T goes...they might be getting the HTC Legend. It just passed through the FCC with bands capable of catching AT&T 3G.
This has been discussed on HoFo. It sucks...but IMHO AT&T is focusing all of their attention on the iPhone coming out in the next few weeks.
One thing to note is that the Samsung Galaxy S is rumored to be released on all 4 carriers and unlocked just like the Nexus One

You could always import a Telstra Desire since they work on the same bands, if I'm not mistaken.

redrazr7791 said:
Hate to burst your bubble, but I don't think it is coming. US Cellular is getting it, however they are CDMA carrier. As far as AT&T goes...they might be getting the HTC Legend. It just passed through the FCC with bands capable of catching AT&T 3G.
This has been discussed on HoFo. It sucks...but IMHO AT&T is focusing all of their attention on the iPhone coming out in the next few weeks.
One thing to note is that the Samsung Galaxy S is rumored to be released on all 4 carriers and unlocked just like the Nexus One
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Yeah, AT&T wouldn't want to interfere with the jobsPhone.. meh... I've been reading around some of the rumours, one called Wildfire looks a bit like an Incredible with a hardware keyboard, I'd be okay with that one.. I like having a keyboard.
But this Dell Aero and Backflip.. Meh.

khaytsus said:
Yeah, AT&T wouldn't want to interfere with the jobsPhone.. meh... I've been reading around some of the rumours, one called Wildfire looks a bit like an Incredible with a hardware keyboard, I'd be okay with that one.. I like having a keyboard.
But this Dell Aero and Backflip.. Meh.
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Little kiddy phones
I forgot about the Telstra Desire, but I really do not think dishing out $800 just to get 3G is worth it. To each their own...we all have our limits

redrazr7791 said:
Little kiddy phones
I forgot about the Telstra Desire, but I really do not think dishing out $800 just to get 3G is worth it. To each their own...we all have our limits
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Yeah, I'd definitely get the N1 over the Desire if I had to import.. I don't have anything against the N1, but in some regards the Desire has bumped specs and I'll admit; I really like Sense.
But then again, it'll probably be like me using Windows Mobile's Today screen on my Tilt 2.. I'll get tired of the flashy stuff fairly fast and want simple and fast. Although I've used Sense on my Tilt 2 and XDAndroid and while it's quite slow, it's very nice.. Although I did see someone say they were using a Desire Sense on their N1, so probably not difficult to get it on there if I went that route.

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Although I did see someone say they were using a Desire Sense on their N1, so probably not difficult to get it on there if I went that route.
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You could flash it onto the NX-1. I haven't been keeping up with Paul's progress on his "project" but...bluetooth for me is crucial. I really do not like the stock Android UI, so the Desire and Sense UI was a major factor for me buying it.
AT&T EDGE where I live is super fast so browsing speed really isn't that bad as some people think. I toggled between 3G and EDGE on my iphone 3G for a couple of days and could easily see the excessive battery drainage

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You could flash it onto the NX-1. I haven't been keeping up with Paul's progress on his "project" but...bluetooth for me is crucial. I really do not like the stock Android UI, so the Desire and Sense UI was a major factor for me buying it.
AT&T EDGE where I live is super fast so browsing speed really isn't that bad as some people think. I toggled between 3G and EDGE on my iphone 3G for a couple of days and could easily see the excessive battery drainage
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erm.. EDGE = 10k/sec give or take... 3G = 700k/sec (average for me here), faster/slower in other places I'm sure
Yes, less power used on EDGE in almost all cases, even those of it taking less time, but very much worth it IMO.. My last few phones have been 3G and while I've tinkered with disabling it here and there to save power it's hardly ever worth it for the speed and losing data on voice calls.
I'm staring at the Google Nexus One payment page.. Sigh. I really want the Desire.
BTW, I see what you say about the Desire ROM on Nexus... I've flashed a few ROMs but that looks scary.. Hmmffffffffffff..

Well I wouldn't say it is scary, but you might face the usual problems like certain features missing or not working or the freeze-ups and need for reboots. Either way, I would just hold out for a little longer. The NX-1 came out in January, meaning that HTC will probably be working on a new, more powerful phone to release soon.
The Evo and Incredible should be available soon. Both the Nexus and Desire are already available so in a few months...say Q2-Q3...we will probably be seeing HTC drop new phones that are GSM ready.

Bleh, don't search ATT Desire on Twitter, lots of people saying they're sure it's coming.. Makes me twitchy.

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Bleh, don't search ATT Desire on Twitter, lots of people saying they're sure it's coming.. Makes me twitchy.
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[Q] HD2 Win mobile 7 Rom- when?

now where win mobile 7 has just been released and is available in the stores or better on the new htc mobiles i really wonder when we will get the first official rom from htc for the hd2? I really wonder why it takes so long, isnt the hd2 arichtecture comparable to the one of the hd7? i hope it will come soon...

There wont be an official wp7 rom for the hd2

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now where win mobile 7 has just been released and is available in the stores or better on the new htc mobiles i really wonder when we will get the first official rom from htc for the hd2? I really wonder why it takes so long, isnt the hd2 arichtecture comparable to the one of the hd7? i hope it will come soon...
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Hmm, where have you been the passed 10 months? The HD7 is Microsofts and HTC's way of giving you WPS7 on a comparable device. You either need to get a new device, or wait for devs to port it.
I guess in the meantime you can enjoy Android is you are bored.

hi guys.... what about this?
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMjE5OTU0MDY0.html
is this only a theme?

cuzzo94 said:
hi guys.... what about this?
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMjE5OTU0MDY0.html
is this only a theme?
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Since there isn't a sign of another OS boating, I believe this is our HD2 boating WP7 .

can you get in www.xda.cn?
it talk of it in the first page but i can't open it because i'm probably too far away from the server... i'm in italy and th e web site is chinese
edit: http://www.xda.cn/newshow.php?snid=192 o.oo.o

This is just a rom with the interface.
XDA starting HD2_21916_3.14_Windows Phone 7 first to experience the full version of the Chinese Language Interface.
This is the version of windows phone 7 interface experience, not really WP7 prototype system, is still the core of WM6.5, driver version 3.14 for Taiwan, no built-in radio, the radio 2.14 in the case of available memory up to 310M or more, adjust the Task_Manager tasks Manager from the battery icon, WP interface customization options, including color, picture position, add a program, UI and editing, the specific operation: Press the right interface, while the pop-up menu, specifically, how games are played, there are friends to find standby
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From xda.cn

oh ok thanks

can any Chinese person from our XDA site ask them for the ROM? or just register as a tester?

Google translation said following:"This is the master of a successful transplantation of the disc according to WP7 to HD2, HD2 brush WP7 seems getting closer and closer to us"
can anybody explain this?

WoW they port it... there is booting video now

I found something about a bios, check it out here:
http://bbs.xda.cn/viewthread.php?tid=87823
Don't know if its usefull!

Woah! This is really impressive! This was been the best presentation of WP7 on the HD2. I "can" be fake, but they pulled it off very well if they did. *AHEM TOM CODON!!!
Why has there not been many hype about this video?
I honestly, think it looks legit...
what do you guys think? have they beat Cotulla to it?

I'm chinese...and also a member of the forum you guys mentioned before...from my opinion,that's just a theme of win7...not a rom...

I think it's not the true wp7 system because of the static main screen.
The video don't show us contact and phone mode, it's the same things for xbox live.
I don't believe theme.

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It looks like an earlier build. Have given it some press on 1800PocketPC

ok i dont doubt that anyone will be able to port it complete to the hd2, you guys out there are smart enough but what about the rumors i heard over the last year that htc will come up with an offical wp7 rom for the hd2? i thought this was an acknowledged thing from htc or is there anyy offical statement from htc they wont do this?

From what I remember, Microsoft has reported atleast 3 different times stating that there will be no release of WP7 on the HD2. While the HD2 has been considered a test device to build WP7, it is not worth their time to build a fully funtional build on what they might call an old device. There is also the fact that Microsoft has certain restrictions on what devices will support WP7, and the HD2 does not qualify under these restrictions. Since it is Microsoft that designated these restricitons, HTC would be unable to release an official build of WP7 even if they wanted to.
The HTC HD7 is almost identical to the HD2 in terms of hardware. If anything, I would think the best unofficial build would come from this device.
I also don't doubt that there will be a build of WP7 for the HD2 in the very near future

zhyx said:
I'm chinese...and also a member of the forum you guys mentioned before...from my opinion,that's just a theme of win7...not a rom...
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What do you mean? if you're chinese can't you read the explanation and tell us if it's a theme or rom? surely you can read the info on the threads.

Avalandiel said:
From what I remember, Microsoft has reported atleast 3 different times stating that there will be no release of WP7 on the HD2. While the HD2 has been considered a test device to build WP7, it is not worth their time to build a fully funtional build on what they might call an old device. There is also the fact that Microsoft has certain restrictions on what devices will support WP7, and the HD2 does not qualify under these restrictions. Since it is Microsoft that designated these restricitons, HTC would be unable to release an official build of WP7 even if they wanted to.
The HTC HD7 is almost identical to the HD2 in terms of hardware. If anything, I would think the best unofficial build would come from this device.
I also don't doubt that there will be a build of WP7 for the HD2 in the very near future
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M$ was thinking we would take way our HD2, to buy a new WP7s device......Crasy company.
I prefer to be a android embassador, to buy a new M$ device.