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Touch Pro 2 pros:
bigger screen (3.6 vs. 3.5)
higher resolution (480x400 vs. 480x320)
Iphone Pros:
about 4 mm thinner
I am tempted to go out and buy and iphone3gs but i have been waiting it seems like for so long for the touch pro 2. I need to wait for at&t to release the touch pro 2, which has no release date yet. I own a tilt, so i am tired of the tilt. and i have a friend that owns a iphone and another friend that has a iphone 3g. I think the touch pro 2 looks like a better whole package than the iphone 3gs. About the only think i see bad about the touch pro 2 is its quite a bit thicker and maybe the apps on it won't be as good as the ones available on iphone. What do you guys think? Which phone is better and why?
I've only just been reading up on both phones, so take what I say with a grain of salt:
The Iphone may be a better for multimedia playback, due to the inclusion of 3.5mm jack and notably good sound quality. Also, the casual game selection is fairly good. If you want more functionality/versality, definitely consider jailbreaking the iphone, otherwise it's not really comparable to the TP2. Check out ipodtouchfans.com, they cater to jailbroken iphones/itouches.
If you're looking for something to be truly productive on, particularly in a business environment (kind of reminds me of a mini-netbook), consider the TP2. If you want a multimedia PDA with great sound, consider the iphone. If you want a fair mix of both, the Samsung Omnia II (coming to Verizon, no hard keyboard) looks to have potential.
First of all I'm severly prejudiced towards the iPhone............ I hate the fact that Apple have to lock it down so much and the lack of sd slot and ability to customise.
In my view, an iPhone is an ipod with phone functionality, it is not a PDA and not a productivity tool.
I would never buy one
I am yet to be convinced by anyone as to the pros of owning an iPhone over a WinMo or Android PDA.
Appologies again for such a biast view.
Cheers,
Beasty
For users that just want a touch screen phone with a very slick interface with everything ready to go and nothing to tamper with to make it run at 110% then get the iPhone.
For those who want the option to fully hack and customise their device but are fully aware that Windows Mobile will never really be 100% user friendly and smooth running without tweaks and modifications then get a Windows Mobile device.
beast0898 said:
First of all I'm severly prejudiced towards the iPhone............ I hate the fact that Apple have to lock it down so much and the lack of sd slot and ability to customise.
In my view, an iPhone is an ipod with phone functionality, it is not a PDA and not a productivity tool.
I would never buy one
I am yet to be convinced by anyone as to the pros of owning an iPhone over a WinMo or Android PDA.
Appologies again for such a biast view.
Cheers,
Beasty
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Totally Agreed.
TP2 is a business phone which target working people like me, hee hee. Iphone is more for entertainment. :>
radiowc said:
Totally Agreed.
TP2 is a business phone which target working people like me, hee hee. Iphone is more for entertainment. :>
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Indeed... iPhone is an ipod with phone funtionality, in the world of PDAs the iPhone is just a toy...
beast0898 said:
First of all I'm severly prejudiced towards the iPhone............ I hate the fact that Apple have to lock it down so much and the lack of sd slot and ability to customise.
In my view, an iPhone is an ipod with phone functionality, it is not a PDA and not a productivity tool.
I would never buy one
I am yet to be convinced by anyone as to the pros of owning an iPhone over a WinMo or Android PDA.
Appologies again for such a biast view.
Cheers,
Beasty
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I totaly agree!!! i think i wudnt be able to live without running a few programs at the same time n switchin between them...which the iPhone isnt capable to do... plus i like it when im in charge n i can customize my phone to the limit... while the IPhone is pretty limited on this...
soo i wud say go for the TP2 ...
my "unbiased" opinion
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maybe the apps on it (TP2) won't be as good as the ones available on iphone...
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If you honestly think so then get one!!
iPhone is a toy.
TP2 is a tool with the flexibility to be a toy if you want it to be.
I must say I LOVE IPHONES for one reason and one reason only. They keep all the non tech savy people away from winmo Now to get more specific.
The iphone 3gs will probably be a lot faster than the TP2 but lets be realisitic here. Whats the point of super fast phone when u have no flexibility to do whatever u want with it. Its like me giving u a super computer and saying hey u can only play solitare. The iphone screen is smaller with a lower resolution. It has a ton of apps but still no where near what winmo has if u include all of the software out there. The iphone doesn't have a keyboard but has a nice software keyboard but personally i like to have the flexibility to use a hw keyboard or sw keyboard cause HTC's keyboard is quite nice. The one thing i have to give apple is they listen to what their customers want, within reason that is. Microsoft only responds to competition.
I have to say this one last piece. The simplier the device the less features it has. Its like the engineering creed.
" If it isn't broken then it doesn't have enough features yet"
I don't think anyone has the iphone 3g in their hands yet for evalution...
But, stay with the TP2 & this forum's support
beast0898 said:
First of all I'm severly prejudiced towards the iPhone............ I hate the fact that Apple have to lock it down so much and the lack of sd slot and ability to customise.
In my view, an iPhone is an ipod with phone functionality, it is not a PDA and not a productivity tool.
I would never buy one
I am yet to be convinced by anyone as to the pros of owning an iPhone over a WinMo or Android PDA.
Appologies again for such a biast view.
Cheers,
Beasty
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I am totally agree with your opinion here. I can't see iPhone as a pocket pc. For me Touch Pro 2 all the way!
First post, but I'd take the Touch Pro 2 over an iPhone. iPhone is basically a multimedia device. You could just go out anytime and buy an ipod touch for that, no? That 5 row keyboard just looks to damn good.
I'm really hoping the Touch Pro 2 comes to Telus and soon..
EazyDeazy said:
Touch Pro 2 pros:
bigger screen (3.6 vs. 3.5)
higher resolution (480x400 vs. 480x320)
Iphone Pros:
about 4 mm thinner
I am tempted to go out and buy and iphone3gs but i have been waiting it seems like for so long for the touch pro 2. I need to wait for at&t to release the touch pro 2, which has no release date yet. I own a tilt, so i am tired of the tilt. and i have a friend that owns a iphone and another friend that has a iphone 3g. I think the touch pro 2 looks like a better whole package than the iphone 3gs. About the only think i see bad about the touch pro 2 is its quite a bit thicker and maybe the apps on it won't be as good as the ones available on iphone. What do you guys think? Which phone is better and why?
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Enter an iphone store and ask which is better iphoney or TP2
What will be the result??
same case here mate....
beast0898 said:
First of all I'm severly prejudiced towards the iPhone............ I hate the fact that Apple have to lock it down so much and the lack of sd slot and ability to customise.
In my view, an iPhone is an ipod with phone functionality, it is not a PDA and not a productivity tool.
I would never buy one
I am yet to be convinced by anyone as to the pros of owning an iPhone over a WinMo or Android PDA.
Appologies again for such a biast view.
Cheers,
Beasty
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I secound that!
Aisorik said:
I've only just been reading up on both phones, so take what I say with a grain of salt:
The Iphone may be a better for multimedia playback, due to the inclusion of 3.5mm jack and notably good sound quality. Also, the casual game selection is fairly good. If you want more functionality/versality, definitely consider jailbreaking the iphone, otherwise it's not really comparable to the TP2. Check out ipodtouchfans.com, they cater to jailbroken iphones/itouches.
If you're looking for something to be truly productive on, particularly in a business environment (kind of reminds me of a mini-netbook), consider the TP2. If you want a multimedia PDA with great sound, consider the iphone. If you want a fair mix of both, the Samsung Omnia II (coming to Verizon, no hard keyboard) looks to have potential.
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The audio booster makes the sound quality unbelievable on my tilt with sennheiser headphones, so Im not sure how an iphone could be better, in fact it already sounds so amazing I dont think its even possible to notice if it gets better, but then again ive never really listened to an iphone with my headphones, so I just said that so that people don't think that wm phones have bad sound quality or anything, but then again without the audio booster it isnt all that amazing I have to admit, which doesn't mean its bad, its still pretty good its not like it sounds bad, it just doesn't amaze me lol
T3ku said:
I totaly agree!!! i think i wudnt be able to live without running a few programs at the same time n switchin between them...which the iPhone isnt capable to do... plus i like it when im in charge n i can customize my phone to the limit... while the IPhone is pretty limited on this...
soo i wud say go for the TP2 ...
my "unbiased" opinion
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I also toatlly secound that I will admit iphones are pretty nice, but they lack stuff too, like that for example, but personally I dont like iphones
Bxsteez said:
I must say I LOVE IPHONES for one reason and one reason only. They keep all the non tech savy people away from winmo Now to get more specific.
The iphone 3gs will probably be a lot faster than the TP2 but lets be realisitic here. Whats the point of super fast phone when u have no flexibility to do whatever u want with it. Its like me giving u a super computer and saying hey u can only play solitare. The iphone screen is smaller with a lower resolution. It has a ton of apps but still no where near what winmo has if u include all of the software out there. The iphone doesn't have a keyboard but has a nice software keyboard but personally i like to have the flexibility to use a hw keyboard or sw keyboard cause HTC's keyboard is quite nice. The one thing i have to give apple is they listen to what their customers want, within reason that is. Microsoft only responds to competition.
I have to say this one last piece. The simplier the device the less features it has. Its like the engineering creed.
" If it isn't broken then it doesn't have enough features yet"
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I secound that too by the way
This forum is specific to HTC so you aren't going to get a bunch of fanboy iphone stuff in here. I'll do my best.
I'm 95% ATT FUZE 5% iphone 2g 3.0 with 3GS use as of today.
iPhone 3GS PROS
Very easy to bedazzle
Near flawless performance, I never miss calls on the iphone due to too many apps open or performance slowdown. Part of the advantage of a closed hardware/software platform.
Improved screen still very bright, crisp and fabulous under the finger control
Landscape keyboard is great on the 3gs, I wouldn't doubt that you could type 90% as fast as on a hardware keyboard.
Capable of PLENTY of business activities, I am completely confused when people rip the iphone abilities to integrate into a person's worklife even a network. VPN, sync, Outlook sync, Gmail, Yahoo app, Quickbooks. I guess if you need to program in VB or do some SQL pounding on the train then the iphone is out, haha.
apps and app creation is an unheralded levels, more developers than on any other platform. Too many to even list and all are far superior to the windows mobile versions. Simply go compare the most recent Tiger Woods between the two platforms. WM is a joke.
games are incredibly good and highly supported
pdf, doc, excel, what the hell else is needed? There is an app for it probably too if it's not out of the box.
jailbreaking is pretty straightforward, as straightforward as dealing with hard spl and flashing new roms.
accessories, speaker setups, availability of fun new things all the time at major stores, in the airport, etc. Walk anywhere and find an accessory that fits and is meant for your exact model. Frick, vending machines even.
Operating System is fast, reliable and does as it is supposed to.
Locked operating system and hardware means better apps over time as developers are able to program for a specific device
iPhone 3GS Cons
The great grandmother next door may own one too, it may make you feel technically out of the high-end loop as she plays sudoku online with her 'girlfriends'
Non-removeable battery (not a problem for me, I have never changed the battery on an extended trip, etc, I don't travel far distances though)
No Expandable memory port (can't imagine that 16 gigs isn't enough)
No LED flashlight
No multitasking of apps (so limited but this will improve in the next releases)
I struggle everyday with owning a Fuze. I am a HTC (to a fault) fanboy so I won't own my own iPhone but when ANY family or friend asks about it, they get the two thumbs up, glowing review. It is too good, too easy amd frankly not that expensive.
Tresher already mentioned this, but this bares repeating:
- iPhone (any version) does NOT have simultaneous execution of 3rd party apps
You can't run a web browser, email, camera and banking at the same time.
Every time you 'switch' from a program, it closes.
This means that any programs (like a 3rd party web browser) that are session based, kill the session completely.
This is a total big no-no for a business phone, because it breaks your workflow.
Also, iPhone UI and the way screens behave is not really customizable at all. Again, this is about workflow customization. With WM phones you can - with hard work - make it work like you want, display what you want and operate as you want.
On iPhone you get what Apple gives you. End of story.
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Tresher already mentioned this, but this bares repeating:
- iPhone (any version) does NOT have simultaneous execution of 3rd party apps
You can't run a web browser, email, camera and banking at the same time.
Every time you 'switch' from a program, it closes.
This means that any programs (like a 3rd party web browser) that are session based, kill the session completely.
This is a total big no-no for a business phone, because it breaks your workflow.
Also, iPhone UI and the way screens behave is not really customizable at all. Again, this is about workflow customization. With WM phones you can - with hard work - make it work like you want, display what you want and operate as you want.
On iPhone you get what Apple gives you. End of story.
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And that's one reason why the Iphone is so fast and snappy. But I think it doesn't add up against the multitasking capabilities of Windows Mobile.
EazyDeazy said:
Touch Pro 2 pros:
bigger screen (3.6 vs. 3.5)
higher resolution (480x400 vs. 480x320)
Iphone Pros:
about 4 mm thinner
I am tempted to go out and buy and iphone3gs but i have been waiting it seems like for so long for the touch pro 2. I need to wait for at&t to release the touch pro 2, which has no release date yet. I own a tilt, so i am tired of the tilt. and i have a friend that owns a iphone and another friend that has a iphone 3g. I think the touch pro 2 looks like a better whole package than the iphone 3gs. About the only think i see bad about the touch pro 2 is its quite a bit thicker and maybe the apps on it won't be as good as the ones available on iphone. What do you guys think? Which phone is better and why?
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Here comes my 2 cents of this issue. That is my personal opinion!!!!
I believe the question should be WHAT I NEED rather then WHAT IS THE BEST.
One wouldn’t buy a Minivan if I wanted to race. But in country I wouldn’t buy race-car if I need to transport lot things.
I believe the good things exist in one OS (Iphone or WinMo) is the missing thing in other OS.
I do believe Iphone has many good futures and be frank Iphone has revolutionised the UI that we expect from a PDA/Phone.
Iphone has been build mainly for entertainment (music, video etc) which is the main target of Apple. Apple has taking the Ipod as basic skeleton and build around the PDA/Phone abilities.
In contraire is the WinMo which has been build mainly for PDA (computer) functionality. MS has taking the Windows CE platform then later add the phone/entertainment abilities.
Therefore Iphone will not have in near future the full computer functionality that WinMO has ANDDDDD the WinMo will not have full UI friendliness and entertainment abilities as the Iphone has.
Therefore if one has Windows Desktop and Work a lot with OUTLOOK, Contacts, APPOINTMETS, TASK, REMINDERs, Emails, Word, excel, then I WOULD SAY WinMO has big advantages...
Besides you can then spend weeks, days, hours, here to Flash better ROM’s , tweaks Registry, do this and that so that One might have a device that is few milliseconds faster.
My favoured is WinMO not because it is soooo good, NO!!! ACTUALY I HATE IT and hate myself to pay 700$ for such crap!!! But it is because my entire life is on MS outlook... I would be completely lost if I did not have the outlook information, word documents, my little databases on my hand device.
Beside I wouldn’t know what to do with my free time if I had to not visit every day to this forum, If couldn’t flash every 14 days new rom and If I could not get angry of Microsoft to build such crap and sit on it for many many years without major improvements.
Iphone!! I think it is a nice device just it doesn’t feed to my main Needs. But be frank I have been thinking to buy it as second device. FOR ME the main reason to dislike is the build in battery. I need at least 2 batteries a day :0(
EazyDeazy said:
Touch Pro 2 pros:
bigger screen (3.6 vs. 3.5)
higher resolution (480x400 vs. 480x320)
Iphone Pros:
about 4 mm thinner
I am tempted to go out and buy and iphone3gs but i have been waiting it seems like for so long for the touch pro 2. I need to wait for at&t to release the touch pro 2, which has no release date yet. I own a tilt, so i am tired of the tilt. and i have a friend that owns a iphone and another friend that has a iphone 3g. I think the touch pro 2 looks like a better whole package than the iphone 3gs. About the only think i see bad about the touch pro 2 is its quite a bit thicker and maybe the apps on it won't be as good as the ones available on iphone. What do you guys think? Which phone is better and why?
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Correction - Touch Pro 2 has 480 x 800 screen, not 480 x 400
So i'm thinking about getting a new phone, and i've been following the touch pro 2 for awhile since it was announced, and it's always caught my interest. Right now i'd be paying 350 since i'm under tmobile, i'm just wondering from peoples opinions is it worth it?
can someone layout the pros and the cons on the phone for me? thanks.
Welcome to forums
Of course it´s worth every cent!
Redundant if we post here pros and cons
Better read and search!!
Good luck,
I paid $688.88 for my unlocked/unbranded version a couple months back and I have no regrets.
Paid $525 and I can't put it down! Worth every cent and thank god I made the switch and left the Blackberry world. I will not lie, I did hesitate to leave my Blackberry 8900 even after tracking the TP2 for like a month. Blackberry has nothing on HTC TP2.
I guess imma just shut up and get it haha. sorry for not using the search function. just got really curious
Pros:
the lovely, lovely physical keyboard - I just can't tell you how useful this is;
large, bright, high-res screen (3.6", 800x480);
excellent support from this website;
very good call quality (so long as you don't get the T-mobile version);
some very neat business-oriented features (e.g. if you put the phone down face-down in mid conversation it automatically switches to speaker-phone);
noise-cancelling so other people can hear you clearly over traffic;
TouchFLO interface is quite nice;
running Windows Mobile means a huge range of downloadable apps;
built-in Word, Excel and Powerpoint support.
Cons:
not everyone likes Windows Mobile, and you find yourself dumped into it more often than you'd expect - this also limits you to 16-bit colour;
HTC and Qualcomm between them have somehow managed to arrange things so that 3rd party apps cannot make use of the GPU, which makes video playback decidedly iffy;
larger and much heavier than most phones (that's the price of the keyboard);
uses much the same hardware as phones released a year ago (much less powerful than an iPhone 3GS or even the latest Samsung models);
thoroughly mediocre camera with no flash;
no one version of the phone will work everywhere in the world (as far as I know);
most versions lack a 3.5mm headphone jack, so if you want to use anything other than the bundled headphones you need an adapter, and unless you have a very fancy adapter you can't listen to music on it and charge it at the same time;
unimpressive battery life;
resistive touch-screen is better than most, but less responsive than a capacitive screen and cannot ever support multi-touch (although a capacitive screen wouldn't allow you to use a stylus, so there are swings and roundabouts);
lack of on-board storage.
paid $900 for mine on ebay before official launch - been with it on safaris in Africa , paddled and plotted my course on lower Zambezi with hippos.... It's worth every cent.
AlCapone said:
paid $900 for mine on ebay before official launch - been with it on safaris in Africa , paddled and plotted my course on lower Zambezi with hippos.... It's worth every cent.
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wouldn't go that far but it is a great phone.
Saying that, like with every device I'd think seriously about what you want your phone to do.
I wanted a web browsing, business phone communicator. Its close to perfect.
If you're looking for a slim camera music player etc.? Stay well away.
Shasarak said:
resistive touch-screen is better than most, but less responsive than a capacitive screen and cannot ever support multi-touch (although a capacitive screen wouldn't allow you to use a stylus, so there are swings and roundabouts)
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Never say never
Especially the second one is a software only solution, since the Nokia 5800 also has a resistive touch screen.
http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/news/item/9051_Multi-touch_on_resistive_touch.php
http://www.electricpig.co.uk/2009/03/03/nokia-5800-gets-experimental-multitouch/
ryohazuki said:
So i'm thinking about getting a new phone, and i've been following the touch pro 2 for awhile since it was announced, and it's always caught my interest. Right now i'd be paying 350 since i'm under tmobile, i'm just wondering from peoples opinions is it worth it?
can someone layout the pros and the cons on the phone for me? thanks.
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I moved to this phone from a G1 (and an iPhone before that) on tmobile, and IMHO this is the best phone available with tmobile 3G right now. Fast, stable, and with WM you have tons of options for customizing/personalizing your handset. So far (had it about a week) i really see no cons with this device, if anything it'd be its size, but its not a complaint by me, its the same size as a G1.
Shasarak said:
Pros:
the lovely, lovely physical keyboard - I just can't tell you how useful this is;
large, bright, high-res screen (3.6", 800x480);
excellent support from this website;
very good call quality (so long as you don't get the T-mobile version);
some very neat business-oriented features (e.g. if you put the phone down face-down in mid conversation it automatically switches to speaker-phone);
noise-cancelling so other people can hear you clearly over traffic;
TouchFLO interface is quite nice;
running Windows Mobile means a huge range of downloadable apps;
built-in Word, Excel and Powerpoint support.
Cons:
not everyone likes Windows Mobile, and you find yourself dumped into it more often than you'd expect - this also limits you to 16-bit colour;
HTC and Qualcomm between them have somehow managed to arrange things so that 3rd party apps cannot make use of the GPU, which makes video playback decidedly iffy;
larger and much heavier than most phones (that's the price of the keyboard);
uses much the same hardware as phones released a year ago (much less powerful than an iPhone 3GS or even the latest Samsung models);
thoroughly mediocre camera with no flash;
no one version of the phone will work everywhere in the world (as far as I know);
most versions lack a 3.5mm headphone jack, so if you want to use anything other than the bundled headphones you need an adapter, and unless you have a very fancy adapter you can't listen to music on it and charge it at the same time;
unimpressive battery life;
resistive touch-screen is better than most, but less responsive than a capacitive screen and cannot ever support multi-touch (although a capacitive screen wouldn't allow you to use a stylus, so there are swings and roundabouts);
lack of on-board storage.
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dunno if this is considered reviving a dead thread or anything thats my own but
the size isn't a problem for me, i've owned a windows mobile phone before and liked it but whats wrong with the tmobile version? and is the battery life really that bad?
I'm pleased with mine. Basically I had an MDA for almost 3 and a half years, with a short try of a Wing. Great winmobile phone, haven't had too much battery problems, phone quality seems ok, better than the MDA.
And the phone senses when it's close to your ear--no more false button pushes!
Cheers,
Tom
ryohazuki said:
but whats wrong with the tmobile version? and is the battery life really that bad?
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The t-mobile version is rather oddly configured. Most of what's wrong with it can be corrected (all in one hit if you don't mind flashing it with a different ROM) but it's a little fiddly. For example, the in-call volume seems to be lower on the t-mobile version - people complain that the sound is too quiet and "muffled". I believe this can be fixed by replacing a file with the equivalent from an unbranded phone, but it's still a fiddle if you expect things to work properly out of the box. I think the t-mobile version may also be set up to use Internet Explorer rather than Opera as the default browser. Again, it's not difficult to change this, it's just annoying.
The battery life is okay, but not great. If you're watching video clips or gaming you can completely drain a fully-charged battery in 3-4 hours.
Btw, one important draw-back that I forgot to mention is the lack of a D-pad - that's a real problem if you're a gamer.
General concensus for veteran WM users i found here is that almost all quite satisfied with TP2 out of the box, since these persons are coming from previous devices and know-well that TP2 is the 1st time HTC (almost) do it perfectly. In condition they didn't receive defect unit.
For new WM users, i see 50-50. But that's improvement, because with previous devices it can be as much as 20-80 (80% unsatisfied), with 20% are looking for ways to improve their devices. That's why now we have this great forum
i have the original EU version of this device and i must say that this is the best phone i used ever , and believe me i switch mobiles like socks ...
the most important thing for me is the stability of the OS , in my case i havnt done any soft reset since i got this device three weeks ago ( depens on your ROM version ect...)
another good thing is the speaker phone , try to compare it to the iphone 3gs and you will notice a big diffrence,
schizo said:
General concensus for veteran WM users i found here is that almost all quite satisfied with TP2 out of the box, since these persons are coming from previous devices and know-well that TP2 is the 1st time HTC (almost) do it perfectly. In condition they didn't receive defect unit.
For new WM users, i see 50-50. But that's improvement, because with previous devices it can be as much as 20-80 (80% unsatisfied), with 20% are looking for ways to improve their devices. That's why now we have this great forum
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I would consider myself a wm vet, this is my 4rth wm phone and the TP2 if I purchase it will be my 5th. I can hardly run my TP at times because it is so slow. I have everything on my class 6 sd and some apps on my phone which is minimal. I am running nrg rom latest and I must say it is slow as balls.
I might even skip the tp2 because it shares the same chipset for att as the tp. Making it slow as balls but with a much larger screen. My favorite warez website just opened an Iphone section. all apps available, Gui much better, mms hacked, better graphics, shes lookin alot better these days. The tp2 just aint cuttin it as far as performance. I might just make the switch until HTC and winmo get there act together. Truely sad as I've been an iphone and apple hater for quite sometime. The truth is the tp2 lacks everything except the screen and keyboard. Winmo and htc are pushing me out with these piece of **** phones.
eh I might still get the tp2. I am seriously looking for reasons not to get the Icrap. Flame on aholes..
Well I've had the T-mobile version for about a month now and I have to say its pure Winsuace!!! Now as for the same chip set as the touch pro , that's not exactly ture. If you look around on the fourms, some one posted a link about where there was a dispute between Qulacom and another chipmaker about the cpu. So because of that the Touch Pros cpu contained some work arounds so it could be used and that made it slower. On the TP2 it contains no workarounds and its pretty snappy! Also I run a bunch of apps at once and it doesn't bog down So here's my two thumbs up!!!
i really dont see nothing wrong wit the tmo version of this phone.. besides the lack of 3.5mm jack and color change from the Euro version..
But the stock rom that comes with the phone is a bit off.. i had to flash it the first day i got it
but i wouldn't mind taking a euro version over the tmo one anyday.. one major reason that stop me from gettng the euro one is that it do not have 3G US bands on it.
Well it's too late now as I am now a proud owner of a Touch Pro 2
I love this thing already. flashed it with a new rom, whats the best radio to use? i'm not too familiar with the whole radio flashing thing like as in like whats the best one to use, so if someone could point me in the right direction? if not ill just search it.
Well it's too late now as I am now a proud owner of a Touch Pro 2
I love this thing already. flashed it with a new rom, whats the best radio to use? i'm not too familiar with the whole radio flashing thing like as in like whats the best one to use, so if someone could point me in the right direction? if not ill just search it.
I have never gone android and from the specs it is going to be a great phone. Dear members will I be disappointed if I get rid of my leo and go for it? What is the main differences between windows pc and android ? Or would you rather I wait for windows 7 I am used to. But I am greatly interested!
Not much of an answer, but I'm definitely looking at replacing my HD2/Leo with a Desire HD. It really is the phone I've been waiting for HTC to come out with.
For me its Android over anything,
The main difference is that android if very customizable and all open source, you wont be disappointed if you ditch your Leo for this phone, specs wise its amazing and now that is running new HTC sence UI. I think that you will be very happy with Android.
Any other question, feel free to PM me or anything.
I think I will be replacing my HD2 with this. Been running Android on my HD2 for a few days, and I love it. Given that the Desire HD is the same size, and better hardware than the HD2, I think it's a winner!
I as well have The HD2 with the android running and also helped 2 other peple get their HD2's setup with android. I love it over windows. The windows pretty customizable to a certain point and I do like it too but like is not the word for the android stuff. I had the G1 and it took a cyanogen beating and kept on ticking. And then I went to the HD2 and as soon as I saw roms for it Ii went to town on it but I slammed on the brakes with the froyo rom from Darkstone and Its whats running right now. So to say Im looking forward to this Desire Phone is an understatement. Im real excited WOO!
Load up Android on your HD2 and take it for a test drive. They have a bunch of choices in the HD2 forum so you can get a feel for it to see if you like it.
If wealthy, buy Desire HD.
If not so well off, try Android on HD2, if it you like it and want to pay for extra hardware on Desire HD you can wait until no longer brand new tech, and price drops a little.
If not cash rich, wait for Desire HD rom to be ported onto HD2 to replace WinMo.
All you lose is extra 3 megs on camera (not a big deal)
Extra internal memory (can do without)
Slightly faster cpu.
Movie playback quality?
The Desire HD is great but nothing special above the HD2..I mean sure it's primary Os is Android but that's all you get. The Hd2 runs Android,Wm and Ubuntu,if that's not cool enough then i dnt knw wat is. IMO the HD2 will most likely become the phone of legends, something that fathers tell their kids about wen their not busy admiring its sheer brilliance,the one that broke all the rules *And yes i'm aware of the D'HD specs,which r tempting but not worth sacrificing the Hd2*
This is just the beginning teaser for Android superphone HTC & GSM. I see the HD2, EVO & D'HD pretty much being the same phone, different shell and different OS. In that light the format is a year old.
To quote them, HTC was/is brilliantly and quietly deliberate in having the Android-GSM masses salivate from across fences they could not or would not cross. It's almost classic Apple (and believe me, I hate both Apple and admitting it).
When the HD2 released, and lets be honest, gimped with WinMo, there was a secret vault deep in the bowels of HTC with a killer phone that could pretty much end the consumer refresh cycle for 3+yrs.
Just look at the G1. One of the secret beauties of Android is that in the right circumstances, you can stretch a platform way beyond it's intended life. An Android HD2/GSM EVO would have been such a beast.
They didn't release it because it was technically not viable, lol. No. Because doing so would have been an early check mate.
Yes the competition would either have been scorched in such a scenario or, heaven forbid, cornered into a cold war where they might actually have delivered real value versus their stock and trade hype.
At the same time though, HTC would have cannibalized their entire line-up/sales inbetween. Plus there was the issue of giving an allowance for symbiosis between the hardware, the market and the Android platform to come to fruition.
Now we have the D'HD, why? Because the other OEM's, Gingerbread, dual cores and GPU's are on the horizon.
The next 3-9 months will be beautiful.
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I like the optimism and brand patriotism in that post. But unfortunately due to the amount of sheep who see the iPhone as the be-all and end-all of mobile technology, the platform if used to it's full potential still wouldn't have been able to take away a decent enough chunk of the iPhone sales.
The main reason is marketing. Apple have an army of marketing geniuses, with a bank balance to replace the ocean with. Coupled with the "elitist" angle that apple have, people have, do, and will continue to buy them because they don't know any better. If anyone saw the HTC Evo vs iPhone 4 video, you'll know what I mean - because it's the unfortunate truth.
When the HD2 came out, HTC were still relatively unheard of in the grand scheme of things. The Desire is what bought them into the open (at least in the UK anyway, despite a good marketing effort with the Hero).
The sad reality of it all, is that HTC could cram a 2GHz dual-core CPU, 3D screen, 2GB RAM, 64GB high-speed flash and a 720p display, all running on Honeycomb into a phone the size of an HD Mini, and people would still go for the Apple phone because it's Apple.
If the original iPhone was released today - I still reckon it would outsell most other smartphones in the public sector.
I still chuckle to myself when the iPhone came out without MMS, and then Apple did something revolutionary and put MMS into a software update, and the world was alight with joy and praise!
Yet I'd had MMS on my SonyEricsson T68i a clear 6 years prior!
I had HD2...i sold it 2 month ago waiting for something like Desire HD...Now I'm waiting with my dummy in a pocket
Numbers are numbers. DHD is better in CPU,GPU,ROM,RAM,Camera,Video. OS is relative...depends who likes what. I prefer Android against WM 6.5... But, i would be almost perfect if they put SLCD and Aderno 220 in him...then there would be nothing better...but word "better" is relative...
I still have my HD2 (and HD) and considered porting it to Android but in the end I opted to keep it running WM and popped for the Galaxy S.
The Galaxy S is a great phone with some beautiful features but I do miss my HTC branded phone.
At the time I considered the Desire but needed something slightly bigger and with more features and seeing as the Evo didn't come to the UK, as said instead I chose the Samsung.
Now the Desire HD is coming I've been looking close as to what it may give me over the Galaxy S.
Apart from it's slightly larger screen I can't find anything that will draw me away and that worries me.
As said, I miss HTC Hardware and Sense. The new line of Sense looks better but is it enough.........
I am currently using a HD2, and well, after 10 months of usage, WM6.5 is practically crap: Many essential softwares which are needed were not preinstalled; even messaging application was crap... Internet browser was as slow, most importantly no flash... Then here comes the Android running on SD card... But still sucks big time, although the developers really put a lot of effort in it, but the lag, freezes, and incomplete applications are all making me feel more and more disappointed... Until the 15th of September 2010, when HTC revealed both DHD and Desire Z, my hope was relighted... A proper Android OS on a 4.3" screen... This is what I needed for long... The first thing I did was to preorder it immediately without even hesitating... From here I believe many can see how much hope i gave up on HD2... The disappointment was utter... Well, now I am just counting down everyday to my DHD reaching me... 20 more days to go~
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I am currently using a HD2, and well, after 10 months of usage, WM6.5 is practically crap: Many essential softwares which are needed were not preinstalled; even messaging application was crap... Internet browser was as slow, most importantly no flash... Then here comes the Android running on SD card... But still sucks big time, although the developers really put a lot of effort in it, but the lag, freezes, and incomplete applications are all making me feel more and more disappointed... Until the 15th of September 2010, when HTC revealed both DHD and Desire Z, my hope was relighted... A proper Android OS on a 4.3" screen... This is what I needed for long... The first thing I did was to preorder it immediately without even hesitating... From here I believe many can see how much hope i gave up on HD2... The disappointment was utter... Well, now I am just counting down everyday to my DHD reaching me... 20 more days to go~
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i think the devices with dualcore that will be releasing in the next few monthes make me keep my hd2 for now , desire hd is not a big improvement to upgrade to it
Having neither the HD2 or the Desire HD and wanting a slice of the Android pie having whet my appetite with a Desire, what would you suggest?
I can get an HD2 for around £220 - £250 from eBay and run with Android courtesy of the devs, or I can fork out £470 on a native Android handset that does not seem to offer a great deal (for my use at least) over the HD2.
decisions, decisions ...
That's a toughy which only you can answer.....
Depends on how much you value some of the added benefits you can get with the dedicated Android.
I love my photography and although I have several cameras I still like to get the best out of whatever hardware is available.... That's one of the reasons I went for the Galaxy S over the Desire and now with the HD coming out.... well I'm still drawn to the Galaxy S.
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That's a toughy which only you can answer.....
Depends on how much you value some of the added benefits you can get with the dedicated Android.
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Frankly I'm not sure what I would lose by going the HD2 route?
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I love my photography and although I have several cameras I still like to get the best out of whatever hardware is available....
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Likewise but having been spoiled by Nokia I have reached the conclusion that anyone who is serious about using their phone for halfway decent shots when on the go should steer well clear of HTC!
Trouble is, the competition might have the hardware but the operating system is very dated. I want the bells and whistles Android has to offer but the hardware is lacking on this platform.
Android ported to HD2 will never be so smooth and good as Andoid on his original device. There will always be some little bugs and lags...and you'll never experience a true Android experiance... Better choose regular Desire than HD2 with Android... HD2 is made for WM
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Likewise but having been spoiled by Nokia I have reached the conclusion that anyone who is serious about using their phone for halfway decent shots when on the go should steer well clear of HTC!
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Agreed... That was one of the main reasons why I went for the Galaxy S over the Desire. The GS takes and shoots simply outstanding shots & video.
Maybe its just me but if you really want good pictures.....invest in a camera: s
The camera isn't fantastic but its decent and that's good enough the other features make up for it imo.
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Its this Windows better than other mobile OS?
Why?
Why I have to choose Win phone 7 instead of Android?
Can some one tell me please?
thanks
For me, one sentence will answer all...because we want to try something new and fresh.
However,the usability and satisfaction towards the OS or device are depends on your personal preference.
IMHO, I'm not really satisfied with this new OS,it is still in premature stage.
Much better user experience than WM and Android. More restrictions than both though, but most people aren't affected by this.
WP7 is smooth, clean and simple. It's generally very fast and elegant in operation. But right now it has bugs...at least for the pre-nodo devices. It currently lacks the higher-end hardware associated with the latest Androids and the iPhone, such as no front camera or dual-cpu. It doesn't use a plug & play expandable memory card...though you can expand the system memory with a little complexity on some devices...without voiding the warranty.
MO, its nice and fast with good apps. Big and easy to the eyes fonts.
But the weak point it gave you the feeling the phone is tied down as if you rent instead of owning it e.g. cant transfer documents to pc(not everyone have sharepoint),
no backups on anything(apps with user data or sms..anything) shud the phone needs to be reset or repaired.
If you are a patience type, then waiting for updates will not be an issue for you.
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Much better user experience than WM and Android. More restrictions than both though, but most people aren't affected by this.
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Well, if you're going to confuse User INTERFACE with User EXPERIENCE, than your post is correct. Unfortunately, you are confused. The Experience goes beyond the interface. I'm not going to put my huge list in yet another thread. I'll leave it at that.
@ OP:
In the end it depends on your requirements and how you use your phone. The way I'd rank them, depending on what you need most:
Phone/Battery Life: Nokia (Symbian) > Blackberry
Media: WP7 > iOS (Phones with Bigger Screens, Zune Pass/Zune, etc.)
Gaming: iOS > WP7 > Android (Too many Android games are of terrible quality/bug-riddled).
Browsing: Android > iOS (More Browser Choices, bigger screens, 4G devices, etc.)
Communication (SMS/MMS/IM/eMail and Business Communications): Symbian > Blackberry > Android (WP7 would be in last place here, IMO)
Business User: Windows Mobile > Symbian > Blackberry (BB loses points due to needing BES for decent Exchange support - WM gains points for supporting every Exchange Policy and having Office Mobile 2010)
If having Voice Nav is a huge thing than Android > Symbian > Windows Mobile
If you're an Appaholic: iOS > Android > Blackberry
Since I know where you're probably (even if secretly) coming from, I'll just cut to the chase here... WP7 isn't as good as Android. The User Interface is better and it performs better in many cases (this is device dependent, to a large degree), but the level of services integration in addition to the functionality drop-off going from Windows Mobile to Windows Phone 7 is just not good when compared to other platforms. Microsoft failed to capitalize on their Windows Live services with WP7 (billed as a consumer device) and then they failed harder by locking down the platform so tight that the development community can't even help them close these gaps.
WP7 is a necessary step forward for Microsoft, but the platform is Beta in functionality and Release Candidate in User Experience. From what has been coming out of Microsoft, it also seems like nothing more than a transition platform. Don't get it until Mango releases to all carriers if you are coming from iOS or Android. You never know what the functionality gap is until you actually use this device on a daily basis. Using it for 20 minutes in a carrier store is not enough.
However, for those moving up from a feature phone and don't really want all the extra fluff of a true smartphone OS, then WP7 may suite them well...
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WP7 is smooth, clean and simple. It's generally very fast and elegant in operation. But right now it has bugs...at least for the pre-nodo devices. It currently lacks the higher-end hardware associated with the latest Androids and the iPhone, such as no front camera or dual-cpu. It doesn't use a plug & play expandable memory card...though you can expand the system memory with a little complexity on some devices...without voiding the warranty.
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However, for those moving up from a feature phone and don't really want all the extra fluff of a true smartphone OS, then WP7 may suite them well...
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Well, I personally moved from a "true smartphone OS" (WM) to iOS to WP7 with a couple of brief stops with Android, and it suits me very well. Because I can do more with it, and better, including work (which for me is primarily communication via email and checking/quick editing office documents). While I will 200% agree that WP7 isn't a "PC in your pocket" in terms of power/flexibility/features by any stretch of imagination, and it isn't a business powerhouse, whether and how platforms fit your specific needs is what matters. Each platform has its own specific bugs or quirks which you may not notice at all or they can turn your phone ownership into hell.
You're going to have the "hate it"s and the "love it"s, with a good mix of fanboys in the middle, so my advice is to get an actual device in your hands and play a while with it.
Read about its features and current limitations and if it fits your needs, it has the apps you require and you enjoy it, take it... I know I did.
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my advice is to get an actual device in your hands and play a while with it.
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Actually, this is a crucially important piece of advice. As uniform as WP7 devices are, I had a very difficult time getting a phone for myself. My major problem with the current crop is miserable amount of storage. I had to go for a carrier branded Mozart to get at least 16GB, and while it wasn't SIM locked and doesn't cause too much hassle, I would advise that you avoid branded handsets if possible. You won't get any added value from them but updates will be delayed, among other things.
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You won't get any added value from them but updates will be delayed, among other things.
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In some cases carrier locked models do come at cheaper prices, which is crucial to some people when choosing their phones.
scionXda said:
Its this Windows better than other mobile OS?
Why?
Why I have to choose Win phone 7 instead of Android?
Can some one tell me please?
thanks
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IMO you are asking the question wrong. It's a bit like asking if a Hummer is a better car than a Prius? With no qualifiers you will get as many answers saying the Hummer as you get people saying the Prius.
Now, let me add some more information. I live in the country, have three dogs (who like going for drives), we get ****loads of snow in the winter and them side roads leading up to the property are not exactly prioritized when it comes to removing snow.
For me it (Hummer) definitely is, but for them there city folks probably not so much
If you'd like to add some more information about what you use your phone for, i.e. what is important to you - I'm sure we'll get you some good reasons why you should (or not) pick WP7.
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Well, if you're going to confuse User INTERFACE with User EXPERIENCE, than your post is correct. Unfortunately, you are confused. The Experience goes beyond the interface. I'm not going to put my huge list in yet another thread. I'll leave it at that.
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The interface is indeed better, and the user experience is also better in general. MUCH better than WM's user experience; you can't deny that.
Similar to how the iphone couldn't do nearly as much as WM when it was released, but the user experience was much better. Everything "just worked" as they say. Some people have issues with WP but most don't have or care about any. It "just works".
Windows Phone 7 is by far the best OS I have used.
Android is very laggy. I can't tell you how many times I went to answer a call and couldn't because my Android device wouldn't respond in time.
Interface is unmatched. Way better than anything Android or iOS has to offer.
iOS is a good OS if you have the latest hardware (iPhone4), but the interface kills it for me. It's very boring.
Gaming experience is really awesome on WP7. Love the XBox Live integration/achievements.
Mostly everything just works without a hitch.
There are still bugs... but as an early adopter, I couldn't be happier.
Having both I say choose Android but watch WP7 for the future.
Currently WP7 offers very little to the customers.
It has very easy and nice interface but equally boring and dull to be honest.
Almost every thing this device can do is limited, maybe besides Zune and Xbox.
If you don't care about any more advanced features WP7 may be for you.
After 3 months of liking it I couldn't stand it anymore.
Limitations driving me crazy, stupid inconsistencies in performance plus Interface which is just a little bit too primitive (even if it's so easy to use).
Many people wrote here alot about both OS'es. Almost everything has been said.
For me WP7 is a massive disappointment. I gave it huge credit, bought my WP7 device for cash in December. But honestly the current situation is simply unacceptable at all.
Crippled features + no support in most countries with Marketplace, Maps, Bing and native Keyboard. If I think of it now I see it's ridiculous.
WP7 definitely is something worth interest because MS has all the services to make a perfect ecosystem in every possible area and that may be amazing. That was one of the reasons I bought it. But they don't do it now at all. You can do 100 times more on any other platform.
I suppose WP7 may be big hit once Nokia will jump on the market and WP7 will be much more opened. I think after Mango update this can be better and better.
But not now. Apparently MS has huge problem with the upgrade system what is not positive. My device still can't be updated although preNoDo was OK.
So a really competitive and finished product can be available around beginning of next year. Not before and it's too long to wait for me - I buy device to do the job!
I guess current WP7 is like an advanced beta where MS has it's learning curve.
And regarding the fluidity I say - people tell myths here.
WP7 lags sometimes terribly and current Android interations are really snappy.
I had a iphone then a Desire HD (which I still have) and now a samsung omnia 7 16gb, I also have a Ipad 1 so have a good idea of all of the OS's. All three are good phones, and getting any of the 3 different OS you can't go wrong really.
However I am loving WP7 so far even with the little quirks, the UI is really awesome and I much prefer it to Android in that regard, I spent hours using launcher pro and icons and lock screen mods and was never happy with how it looked whereas WP7 does all i need on that front and beautifully.
Also it's a lot smoother than android, though to be fair Android is as smooth as you need, the very little lags and jerks you get when scrolling are not big deals and I didn't actually notice them till I had both phones side by side, not sure why people make such a big deal about tiny jerkiness sometimes in the scrolling on Android.
IOS was a little too bland for me and I really wanted a better notification system as well as a bigger screen 3.5 was too small for web pages and gaming, though the amount of good quality apps was amazing, however I had my iphone for 3 years and I really only had about 20 apps, A few games to play when really bored and not at my PC.
Zune is awesome, million times better than Itunes, never used it before WP7 but now I am hooked, will be going from the trial to a paid zune pass too, works very well the streaming.
I also am impressed with the gaming on WP7 some very cool games in the market place, just a pity they are normally a lot more expensive than what you get on the iphone or android.
So overall WP7 does what I need (email, calendar, phone calls, and music with the odd game) and in a beautiful UI, for some people it wont do what they want and that's fine but for me it's great.
The Desire HD isn't used much at all anymore and I will probably ebay it soon. Really hope WP7 gets bigger as in my opinion it deserves a place in the the market even at this early stage of it's life
It completely baffles me as to why people continue to point out that WinPhone doesn't use dual cpus as though it has some negative affect on the phone or it's experience, even going as far as to compare it to Android phones which do use it. With it's first generation processor it still outshines newer Android devices. Performance? WP7 outperforms those dual cpu Android devices. Battery life, as so many have argued is the biggest positive? WP7 still gets better battery life. Also, how many people actually use front facing cameras? Really? I know quite a few people with MyTouchs and iPhone4s who have never done a video chat, and they've owned the devices since launch.
Just had to get that out there.
Really the only things where it suffers are in the app department....once the OS gets it legs(another year or so) it will be on par if not better than iOS. It doesn't beat out the Iphone 4(definitely better than the 3G and 3GS) and some android phones. I say some because Android is highly dependent on the phone you get. With Windows Phone you can pretty much go with any phone and they all work well. Im on my 3rd month with it and I still love it. Ive been through sony android phones, the iphone 3GS and a bada phone as well.
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With it's first generation processor it still outshines newer Android devices.
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Absolutely not true, actually just the opposite.
scionXda said:
Its this Windows better than other mobile OS?
Why?
Why I have to choose Win phone 7 instead of Android?
Can some one tell me please?
thanks
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it's ok .
Microsoft, a titan of the software industry, entirely unmatched. Nokia, once THE hardware giant in the mobile industry, fallen from graces due to poor software. Sounds like a romance etched in the stars for bards to write soliloquys about until time dth end, right? Well, according to the press, this is just a terrible idea.
Earlier this year, Microsoft announced an exclusive partnership with Nokia granting them more power over an already beautiful OS. Numerous jobs were lost, the bad press was everywhere, but Elop and Ballmer were smiling for the camera. Things died down, a few even began to see the bright side of what such a merger might offer, but with the release of the technical specifications of nokia's new windows phone devices, windows phone users everywhere froze. They seemed to offer nothing that the other OEMs couldn't. Some were expecting Nokia to blow us away with the use of a dual-core processor on a windows phone flagship device, my only thought, why?
Nokia is a hardware company not known for excessive hardware, but rather how they use it. While android was running sluggish on a 1 GHz snapdragon, symbian was smooth on a much lesser chipset. Nokia never was the greatest manufacturer for the power in the phone, just great execution be it their battery life which is absolutely phenomenal opposed to that of most smartphones, or their build quality, which provides a durable, polished, and attractive device. Don't even get me started on the camera's they've so often been praised for since the early days of smartphones. Nokia is a hardware company to be revered, even if not for their power.
Now, with WP7's strict hardware limitations allowing very specific chipsets in their devices, the chipset is not the issue by any means. What Microsoft needs now is a beautiful device with a great camera to take advantage of the fastest camera app out there, a great battery life to provide hours of smooth, lag-free browsing, and a polished build quality to match the polished OS.
Do I think WP7/Nokia could be a game changer? I'd like to think so, but only time will tell. For now, I'll just continue salivating over the new Nokia 800.
They will bring a lot - great build quality, great reception, great camera and free worldwide navigation with Nokia Maps. Not sure about the battery life but maybe there is going to be something in that part too.
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Microsoft, a titan of the software industry, entirely unmatched. Nokia, once THE hardware giant in the mobile industry, fallen from graces due to poor software. Sounds like a romance etched in the stars for bards to write soliloquys about until time dth end, right? Well, according to the press, this is just a terrible idea.
Earlier this year, Microsoft announced an exclusive partnership with Nokia granting them more power over an already beautiful OS. Numerous jobs were lost, the bad press was everywhere, but Elop and Ballmer were smiling for the camera. Things died down, a few even began to see the bright side of what such a merger might offer, but with the release of the technical specifications of nokia's new windows phone devices, windows phone users everywhere froze. They seemed to offer nothing that the other OEMs couldn't. Some were expecting Nokia to blow us away with the use of a dual-core processor on a windows phone flagship device, my only thought, why?
Nokia is a hardware company not known for excessive hardware, but rather how they use it. While android was running sluggish on a 1 GHz snapdragon, symbian was smooth on a much lesser chipset. Nokia never was the greatest manufacturer for the power in the phone, just great execution be it their battery life which is absolutely phenomenal opposed to that of most smartphones, or their build quality, which provides a durable, polished, and attractive device. Don't even get me started on the camera's they've so often been praised for since the early days of smartphones. Nokia is a hardware company to be revered, even if not for their power.
Now, with WP7's strict hardware limitations allowing very specific chipsets in their devices, the chipset is not the issue by any means. What Microsoft needs now is a beautiful device with a great camera to take advantage of the fastest camera app out there, a great battery life to provide hours of smooth, lag-free browsing, and a polished build quality to match the polished OS.
Do I think WP7/Nokia could be a game changer? I'd like to think so, but only time will tell. For now, I'll just continue salivating over the new Nokia 800.
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stigma:
the stigma amoung developers will remain, i would imagine. bitten by a company doesn't make you want to turn around and work for/with them again when they smile and announce a new product with a new partner. but that's only a few thousand people. they certainly won't be doing any dev'ing out of shear joy or passion. maybe for a job, but i doubt the flashy new hardware will dull their memory of being wronged by nokia, and now microsoft.
hardware:
despite the marketing and constant suggestion that nokia will be revolutionary hardware, or a great relationship with microsoft, or something 'new' and 'invigorating' - to the common consumer, it's a yawner:
another phone.
it's green.
big camera.
wp7.
more yawns, wp7 has been available for a while. 5-6Mp cameras have been available. dual cores, NFC, big and bright touch screens, it's all out there, right now.
so, what is the draw for just another manufacturer releasing another phone here ?
enlighten me
"Nokia/WP7- Is anything new being brought to the table?"
Yes, of course, huge huge impressive 16gb storage.
HTC and Samsung and LG have learned immensely during the last two years about both software and hardware in the new smart phone era. It would be difficult to outdo their current offerings.
But there is really a chance, due to their partnership, that they may come up with something new and interesting. Let's just wait a few days.
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But there is really a chance, due to their partnership, that they may come up with something new and interesting. Let's just wait a few days.
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I bet a lot of people will be disappointed.... Probably mainly low end devices
I also predict many issues/bugs/problems. Nokia haven't the experience that HTC have.
According to engadget "possibly the most beautiful phone ever made". But I guess without tri-cores they really arent any different from the giants that are HTC and Samsung. /S
Those blue and pink phones look great with similar-colored live tiles!
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I bet a lot of people will be disappointed.... Probably mainly low end devices
I also predict many issues/bugs/problems. Nokia haven't the experience that HTC have.
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um wat? lol. Nokia has more experience than just about any other phone manufacturer out there.
As far as what Nokia brings:
1. Excellent build quality & durability
2. Still best in class camera optics (at least on the high end phones).
3. Very good quality radios / cell reception
4. Typically very good battery life
5. Very stylistic designs well beyond what most manufacturers put out
6. Nokia services such as Ovi Maps (this will be huge for Bing Maps outside of US/UK)
7. Very large reach into lots of countries. More reach = more exposure = more people = good for platform.
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um wat? lol. Nokia has more experience than just about any other phone manufacturer out there.
As far as what Nokia brings:
1. Excellent build quality & durability
2. Still best in class camera optics (at least on the high end phones).
3. Very good quality radios / cell reception
4. Typically very good battery life
5. Very stylistic designs well beyond what most manufacturers put out
6. Nokia services such as Ovi Maps (this will be huge for Bing Maps outside of US/UK)
7. Very large reach into lots of countries. More reach = more exposure = more people = good for platform.
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It's totally true besides one thing:
Since introduction of touchscreens their own Symbian OS bacame disaster,
which just couldn't catch the leaders, even if it was offerring more features than iOS and Android some time ago.
They couldn't manage this and develop this OS properly, even having such great experience and potential and money.
So take nothing for granted. I am not so sure WP7/Nokia will give such amazing results everybody hopes for.
arturobandini said:
I bet a lot of people will be disappointed.... Probably mainly low end devices
I also predict many issues/bugs/problems. Nokia haven't the experience that HTC have.
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Anyone want to bet that the Microsoft Hero Phone will come from Nokia?
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I agree the specs I've seen so far are not wildly inspiring, but maybe that's not the point. Whilst the sort of people who read XDA will probably be more excited by phones such as the samsung focus s etc., perhaps typical consumers look more at brand / aesthetics / contract price than processor specs, and Nokia still have a name somewhat synonymous with mobile phones for a lot of people. Even though I probably won't one myself, I see the Nokia influence doing wonders for windows phone as a platform as it will get it into the hands of many people who might not have considered it otherwise.
My last Nokia phone was the n80 and it was a great piece of hardware. 3.2mp camera was unheard of back then.
The software is the only thing holding Nokia back. With WP they have the potential to release premium phones as well as low end smartphones . Nobody has the worldwide reach lke Nokia. They are the biggest phone company in the world.
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This is something of a do or die situation, Nokia has to awe us.
The N9 is one great looking device. Meego also looked great.
They need to quit ditching OS's.
vetvito said:
The N9 is one great looking device. Meego also looked great.
They need to quit ditching OS's.
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devving for meego direct was hell so all we'd really get was ports and that's only from those who wanted to take the time to port. No matter how it went the best meego could've been is a second-rate android and they didn't want that.
We all know Nokia is going to make incredible hardware. What I'm mostly excited about are the OS changes Nokia has made.
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The N9 is one great looking device. Meego also looked great.
They need to quit ditching OS's.
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They ditched 1 OS.
brummiesteven said:
They ditched 1 OS.
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??? Are you kidding.
They dropped Symbian as well.
I admit i only read a few posts on this thread so if this point is made already im sorry.
The way i see it is that spec sheets are worthless as each manufacturer can buy up the same bits from the same places and bung them in a shell. WP7 is always a constantly fast smooth OS the expiriance unlike droid is the same from one device to another. So what does Nokia bring???? They bring the style! I dont see the spec sheets blowing us away at all or some super new tech but i ask you this when was the last time you looked at a phone without all the specs and that and thought wow that is one sexy beast? The only time i can remember really thinking that was over 11 years ago when Nokia baught the 8850 to the table. I dont care what the specs are i need the 800 (searay) in my life.