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Hi
I've had a Compact IV/HTC Diamond for a good while now. Very familiar with flashing roms/radios etc, and looking for advice.
Wanted to use the phone with a AT&T sim whilst in NY,
Phone is fully unlocked and tested in UK, but when I put a PAYG AT&T sim in NY it just states that phone isnt ready and no network is found.
I suspect that this might be down to the RADIO ROM - looking for somone to point me in the right direction to a suitable radio if this is the case...
GSM is available in the area according to at&t website, so rules out the WCDMA (UK) vs CDMA2000 (US)...
Phone will now be mainly used in NY on AT&T if I can get it working with your help... (father in-law just moved out there with one of my diamonds!!)
Help? Thoughts? any help/comments appreciated
Thanks
rabmc
Hello
I'd like to buy HTC Touch Pro2 (unlocked version), but I heard that it doesn't support 3G in USA? is that right? and why?
Will they release an unlocked version supports 3G in USA?
Does it support 3G in Asia and Europe?
What's exactly the differences between 2G and 3G?
P.S. I have an AT&T SIM card.
I know my questions are many but I'm so confused.
I'll be so appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
HNH992 said:
Hello
I'd like to buy HTC Touch Pro2 (unlocked version), but I heard that it doesn't support 3G in USA? is that right? and why?
Will they release an unlocked version supports 3G in USA?
Does it support 3G in Asia and Europe?
What's exactly the differences between 2G and 3G?
P.S. I have an AT&T SIM card.
I know my questions are many but I'm so confused.
I'll be so appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
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If by "unlocked" you mean the original/intenational version, then no, it won't connect to 3G in the USA. The radio frequency of the hardware is wrong, and since it is hardware it can't be fixed by a software tweak. I think it's fine on 3G in Europe and maybe Asia (but I'm not an expert). There's lots of info out there if you look.
It will work fine on GSM (T-Mobile/ATT, for example) 2/2.5 bands in the USA and most/lots/all of Europe, Asia, etc.
To use ATT 3G you will need an ATT-branded TP2.
Basically, 3G is faster -- faster data transmission -- than 2G. Both terms refer to data speeds ranges, not specific technologies.
You should look at the Australian Telstra Touch Pro 2 T7381 it has been reported to work on ATT US and Rogers/FIDO Canada.
Why not wait one more week and it will be available in the USA from ATT. I give it then about 2 days before they start to show up on Ebay. These phones will be guaranteed to work on the North American frequencies.
That will be my strategy.
Thanks very much guys for replying
What's ATT-branded TP2?
What about HTC HD? does it have the same issue?
InRBigness said:
Why not wait one more week and it will be available in the USA from ATT. I give it then about 2 days before they start to show up on Ebay. These phones will be guaranteed to work on the North American frequencies.
That will be my strategy.
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Did ATT report that they will release HTC Touch Pro2? and how soon?
What about this one?
http://cgi.ebay.com/BRAND-NEW-UNLOC...ZViewItemQQptZCell_Phones?hash=item2ea5b059bc
I'm confused...Isn't ATT Tilt 2 the Touch Pro 2?
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I'm confused...Isn't ATT Tilt 2 the Touch Pro 2?
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Yes, it's.
If you want one that specifically supports 3G in the US, your choices are the AT&T Tilt 2, or the T-Mobile Touch Pro 2.
In the US, the 3G bands unfortunately are different than the rest of the world:
Europe/Asia 3G : 2100
USA (AT&T) 3G: 850/1900
USA (TMo) 3G: 1700/2100 -- TMO uses one for up and the other for down, so you can't use a Euro/Asian 3G phone and get full speed on USA TMO
But the nice thing is that the 2 US carrier phones also throw in 2100 on the TP2, so it'll work overseas as well.
I hope that helps.
pinoymutt said:
If you want one that specifically supports 3G in the US, your choices are the AT&T Tilt 2, or the T-Mobile Touch Pro 2.
In the US, the 3G bands unfortunately are different than the rest of the world:
Europe/Asia 3G : 2100
USA (AT&T) 3G: 850/1900
USA (TMo) 3G: 1700/2100 -- TMO uses one for up and the other for down, so you can't use a Euro/Asian 3G phone and get full speed on USA TMO
But the nice thing is that the 2 US carrier phones also throw in 2100 on the TP2, so it'll work overseas as well.
I hope that helps.
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Yo PinoyMutt, help a fellow Filipino out here
I have an Unlocked TMo Branded Touch Pro 2 and am currently using it on AT&T.
Are there any settings I need to input in order to get 3G? For whatever reason, I'm only getting EDGE (or at least that's the icon I receive on the winmo taskbar).
Thanks!
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Wow... did I just see the AT&T is on 850/1900? Wow... I think I may be selling my TP2 now...
pinoymutt said:
If you want one that specifically supports 3G in the US, your choices are the AT&T Tilt 2, or the T-Mobile Touch Pro 2.
In the US, the 3G bands unfortunately are different than the rest of the world:
Europe/Asia 3G : 2100
USA (AT&T) 3G: 850/1900
USA (TMo) 3G: 1700/2100 -- TMO uses one for up and the other for down, so you can't use a Euro/Asian 3G phone and get full speed on USA TMO
But the nice thing is that the 2 US carrier phones also throw in 2100 on the TP2, so it'll work overseas as well.
I hope that helps.
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so if i buy Tmobile TP2 or AT&T Tilt2 ... i can use it here in UK 3G? (video call)
Im sick of this iphone 3g!
raffstyle said:
so if i buy Tmobile TP2 or AT&T Tilt2 ... i can use it here in UK 3G? (video call)
Im sick of this iphone 3g!
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Video call partly works if you have the dialer that supports video call. I have a Tilt with video call dialer. When I went to Hong Kong I was able to use video call but only for receiving the video, not sending.
3GPocketPC4Me said:
Yo PinoyMutt, help a fellow Filipino out here
I have an Unlocked TMo Branded Touch Pro 2 and am currently using it on AT&T.
Are there any settings I need to input in order to get 3G? For whatever reason, I'm only getting EDGE (or at least that's the icon I receive on the winmo taskbar).
Thanks!
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Wow... did I just see the AT&T is on 850/1900? Wow... I think I may be selling my TP2 now...
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Unfortunately it's a hardware thing. The TMO ones specifically have hardware for 1700/2100 3G, so software tweaks won't do a thing on AT&T. Sorry!
raffstyle said:
so if i buy Tmobile TP2 or AT&T Tilt2 ... i can use it here in UK 3G? (video call)
Im sick of this iphone 3g!
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cproaudio said:
Video call partly works if you have the dialer that supports video call. I have a Tilt with video call dialer. When I went to Hong Kong I was able to use video call but only for receiving the video, not sending.
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From a speed/band perspective, I believe the US versions work fine on the UK 2100 bands. However, as mentioned before there are 2 other items:
(1) the dialer has to support it (which it looks like you can obtain) so that's ok on a software end; BUT
(2) The US versions of the phone don't have the front camera in the upper right hand corner. Since US carriers really haven't gotten around to promoting 3G and video calling, most US carrier phones don't have the front camera needed for video conferencing.
In all, that is a big requirement, I would recommend sticking with an unbranded or at least Euro-carrier unlocked branded TP2.
I see that HTC Touch Pro2 from AT&T is now available in eBay.
I see that HTC Touch Pro2 from AT&T is now available in eBay.
pinoymutt said:
From a speed/band perspective, I believe the US versions work fine on the UK 2100 bands. However, as mentioned before there are 2 other items:
(1) the dialer has to support it (which it looks like you can obtain) so that's ok on a software end; BUT
(2) The US versions of the phone don't have the front camera in the upper right hand corner. Since US carriers really haven't gotten around to promoting 3G and video calling, most US carrier phones don't have the front camera needed for video conferencing.
In all, that is a big requirement, I would recommend sticking with an unbranded or at least Euro-carrier unlocked branded TP2.
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THANKS for the reply... I didnt know that US TP2's dont have front camera. thats suck.. the only reason i want to get the tp2 from US is because i know someone can hook me up with the ETF for less. well im just gonna wait till april for my upgrade.. free phone always makes me happy!
So I have a Touch Pro2 on my personal T-Mobile account. My company has issued me a iPhone for my work phone. Which they pay for 100%. My question is if I unlock my Touch Pro2 and put my sim card from my iPhone in the TP2 will AT&T change my data plan to a PDA one? Since I do not pay my company phone bill I don't want to do anything to change that plan or add more money to it without permission. By the way the iPhone is mine so if I leave the company I take it with me. So I want to get the Touch Pro2 to work on my company line so I can sell the iPhone pocket some cash and cancel my personal line.
At&T data plans
the iphone plan and the PDA plan are completely different features and are not cross compatible. If the company bought you an iphone, in order to make the internet work on the TP2 you will have to have the feature changed out, if it is the company's account, you may not have that access to make the change, and internet won't work until it is changed.
You dont need a pda plan to use a unlocked touch pro 2 from tmobile i have one and im on att, the tmobile version doesnt register on the att network so the most they can charge is the lowest data plan. as far as your plan the iphone plan is probably the only plan that doesnt change on its own, although if you put the sim in your touch pro 2 youll still get data and still be charger the iphone plan. but remember your only get edge dta speeds with a unlocked version.
Backmankiller said:
but remember your only get edge dta speeds with a unlocked version.
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So the T-Mo Touch Pro2 doesn't work on AT&T 3G?
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So the T-Mo Touch Pro2 doesn't work on AT&T 3G?
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That is correct. Tmobile TP2 has different 3G radio hardware than ATT. I got a Tmobile TP2 and unlocked it to use on ATT so that they couldnt take away my $19 unlimited data plan. the Edge radio works and thats fast enough for what I use the phone for.
I have tp2 on att network also but i cant connect to aim or any instant messaging programs what should i do. I configured the settings to connect to the internet and it works.but i cant use aim,yahoo,and myspace im.
mattekman said:
That is correct. Tmobile TP2 has different 3G radio hardware than ATT. I got a Tmobile TP2 and unlocked it to use on ATT so that they couldnt take away my $19 unlimited data plan. the Edge radio works and thats fast enough for what I use the phone for.
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Well seeing as how my previous company phone was BlackBerry Curve running edge I don't think it would be entirely a problem.
Is it faster or slower?
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Tmobile TP2 has different 3G radio hardware than ATT
How different? Is T-Mobile chip is faster than AT&T chip or slower? If I'm with T-Mobile TP2 phone and AT&T service what will happen if I'll flash the latest AT&T stock radio on the T-Mobile phone?
3G on TP2 w/AT&T
Is there any way to get the 3G to work on my TP2 (unlocked T-mobile)with my at&t 3G sim card ??? It is so f***ing slow!
Please don't tell me that I have to buy Tilt 2 to have it work!
Buy a Tilt 2.
I just got Tilt 2!
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Tmobile TP2 has different 3G radio hardware than ATT
How different? Is T-Mobile chip is faster than AT&T chip or slower? If I'm with T-Mobile TP2 phone and AT&T service what will happen if I'll flash the latest AT&T stock radio on the T-Mobile phone?
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You're taken care of now, but just for the record, the TMo and ATT 3G services propagate over different frequencies. The 3G radio in the TMo phone is tuned to transmit/receive 3G info over TMo's frequencies, and the Tilt2 is tuned to transmit/receive 3G info over ATT's frequencies. It's not a question of which chip is faster, but rather which chip can access which carrier's 3G frequency.
Most GSM phones have quad-band edge, meaning they can access edge-speed data on most carriers. But most branded GSM phones have only their particular carrier's 3g band.
Flashing the ATT ROM onto the TMo phone won't affect the speed of the 3g radio, as it is a hardware difference, not a software difference.
fortunz said:
You're taken care of now, but just for the record, the TMo and ATT 3G services propagate over different frequencies. The 3G radio in the TMo phone is tuned to transmit/receive 3G info over TMo's frequencies, and the Tilt2 is tuned to transmit/receive 3G info over ATT's frequencies. It's not a question of which chip is faster, but rather which chip can access which carrier's 3G frequency.
Most GSM phones have quad-band edge, meaning they can access edge-speed data on most carriers. But most branded GSM phones have only their particular carrier's 3g band.
Flashing the ATT ROM onto the TMo phone won't affect the speed of the 3g radio, as it is a hardware difference, not a software difference.
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Thanks, I figured it will be easy to buy Tilt 2
damn it !!!
So are u saying that my tmobile phone will never work on ATT with 3G?? this is CRAP! if there is no hardware difference why cant there be a workaround ? radio related maybe to unable the phone to use ATT 3g frequency???
Retroactive said:
So are u saying that my tmobile phone will never work on ATT with 3G?? this is CRAP! if there is no hardware difference why cant there be a workaround ? radio related maybe to unable the phone to use ATT 3g frequency???
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TMOBILE HTC Touch PRO 2 has different hardware -meant to read "band" specifically for Tmobile's 3g.
ATT TILT 2 has hardware specific for ATTs 3g network.
You can use Tmobile phones on ATT using Edge..but you will never get to ATTs 3g network. You simply just dont have the hardware. It's just like buying a phone that has not internal GPS chip and no matter how you flash it or add/remove software, you simply can't use the turn-by-turn navi software (unless you use an external bluetooth device).
Additionally, anyone know about the radio compatibility of a HTC branded TP2? I purchased mine already unlocked, and not sure if I can get 3G from ATT or not...
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Additionally, anyone know about the radio compatibility of a HTC branded TP2? I purchased mine already unlocked, and not sure if I can get 3G from ATT or not...
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The int'l unlocked version is edge only on ATT.
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The int'l unlocked version is edge only on ATT.
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Yup, that is exactly what I feared...Good to know, and I Think mine will end up on Craigslist before long.
the reason the 3G wont work is because the 2 carriers use different basebands for service. While they both have 3G capabilites, ATT uses 850 and 1900 and Tmobile uses 1700 and 2100... it may have changed but i know thats what it used to be. It is the same reason that (forgive me for mentioning the dang thing) the iphone 3G wont work on tmobile, it will only work at EDGE speeds.
Hello everyone,
i will be living in California from March to July and therefore i'd like to know if i can use my GSM Desire from Germany in the US?
I understand that in europe GSM is used and in the US mostly CDMA. I know there are GSM networks as well in the US.
I've read somewhere that i won't be able to use HSDPA in the US, but only EDGE. Is that true? It would be really annoying if it were.
And if so, is there a way to turn my GSM Desire into a CDMA Desire? Somehow flashing another RADIO oder whatever?
Thanks for all the answers!
Regards,
Muuhmann
Muuhmann said:
Hello everyone,
i will be living in California from March to July and therefore i'd like to know if i can use my GSM Desire from Germany in the US?
I understand that in europe GSM is used and in the US mostly CDMA. I know there are GSM networks as well in the US.
I've read somewhere that i won't be able to use HSDPA in the US, but only EDGE. Is that true? It would be really annoying if it were.
And if so, is there a way to turn my GSM Desire into a CDMA Desire? Somehow flashing another RADIO oder whatever?
Thanks for all the answers!
Regards,
Muuhmann
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i think t-mobile support the same frequency for there 3g/hsdpa as eu desires
Really? That would be awesome!
Can anyone using t-mobile usa confirm this?
Sorry to chime in a little late.
I moved from Belgium to the US bringing with me a European T-Mobile Germany Desire. It works fine on the T-Mobile USA network, the only problem is that I can't get 3G or 4G to work. The only way so far to get internet access on my phone is through wifi.
I read somewhere that 2G is supposed to be supported but I came here on these forums to find out how and why, because I can't make it work..
Hope this is somehow helpful..
Hi chbau,
thanks for letting me know.
3G and 4G (that would be the "H"-symbol, right?) aren't working, if I understand you correctly?
But in the next sentence you also say that you don't get 2G (that would be the "E"-symbol) to work, am i correct?
That would be a real pain in the a**. That would mean no mobile internet.
Hello every1!
A friend just got his hands on his HTC HD7S from AT&T but, he is trying to use in another carrier here in Brazil but it can only make calls and use Edge network.
My HTC HD7(not the S one) is from TMobile and everything works fine here in brazil with same SIM card/Carrier.
I heard that Those HD7S from AT&T has a diff frequency and our carrier is not working with 3G at that frequency.
So, my question is:
Is there any way to help this friend and his HD7S to get 3G working on his device? Like for sample, flash a ROM(which one? Links?) that enable full range of frequencies like my HD7?
Thanks! I really appreciate the help. My friend is so sad that he cant use his phone well that I decided to help him.
Thanks a lot!
Best regards...
Gutemberg
Well, HD7 3g bands are different than hd7 3g bands, so I suppose the network you are trying to use is something like 900/1700 MHz on 3g. If so then it will not have 3g except if you use it in another carrier (a 850/1900MHz one)