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US Touch Pro 2 Unlocked

Anyone know if they will be releasing an unlocked version for the US carriers? I would get the European version myself, as 3g isn't a big deal for me, but what gives me concern is the Wall charger doesn't include a US plug. Im sure this is a small deal considering i could proly just buy a standard HTC charger, but im just curious if they will be having an unlocked that will both include the US charger, and work on US 3g networks.

no word yet hua?

Why do you think the European model won't work on U.S. 3G networks?

European 3G I believe works on the 1900 MHz band (supported by the Touch Pro 2). U.S. 3G operates on the 850 MHz band (also supported by the Touch Pro 2). By technical standards, this should work fine in the U.S. on the 3G band.
As far as the charger goes, yes, that is a concern. But I don't doubt that somewhere in your house you've got a miniUSB charger lying around. If not, your local Wal-Mart/Target/Radio-Shack/Best Buy will have a million of them.

jonnyp4l said:
European 3G I believe works on the 1900 MHz band (supported by the Touch Pro 2). U.S. 3G operates on the 850 MHz band (also supported by the Touch Pro 2). By technical standards, this should work fine in the U.S. on the 3G band.
As far as the charger goes, yes, that is a concern. But I don't doubt that somewhere in your house you've got a miniUSB charger lying around. If not, your local Wal-Mart/Target/Radio-Shack/Best Buy will have a million of them.
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HTC.com sez...
Network:
HSPA/WCDMA:
Europe/Asia: 900/2100 MHz
Up to 2 Mbps up-link and 7.2 Mbps down-link speeds
Quad-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE:
Europe/Asia: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
(Band frequency, HSPA availability, and data speed are operator dependent.) BUT...
3G networks are running the 850Mhz in the U.S. We already knew that the HTC Touch Pro2 would sport 3G frequency support in the 900Mhz and 2100Mhz WCDMA bands, but the 850Mhz WCDMA band isn't yet available.

jonnyp4l said:
European 3G I believe works on the 1900 MHz band (supported by the Touch Pro 2). U.S. 3G operates on the 850 MHz band (also supported by the Touch Pro 2). By technical standards, this should work fine in the U.S. on the 3G band.
As far as the charger goes, yes, that is a concern. But I don't doubt that somewhere in your house you've got a miniUSB charger lying around. If not, your local Wal-Mart/Target/Radio-Shack/Best Buy will have a million of them.
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I have been on a number of blogs for the TP2 and they are seem to be in agreement that the European TP2 will only work over the EDGE network in US...
Personally, I am currently an iPhone user, but my wife is driving me crazy waiting for this US version!

JAlbridge said:
HTC.com sez...
Network:
HSPA/WCDMA:
Europe/Asia: 900/2100 MHz
Up to 2 Mbps up-link and 7.2 Mbps down-link speeds
Quad-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE:
Europe/Asia: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
(Band frequency, HSPA availability, and data speed are operator dependent.) BUT...
3G networks are running the 850Mhz in the U.S. We already knew that the HTC Touch Pro2 would sport 3G frequency support in the 900Mhz and 2100Mhz WCDMA bands, but the 850Mhz WCDMA band isn't yet available.
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Here is a good story on MSNBC.com on the various 3G standards. It is dated last Sept. but it is still good.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26511322/

uk/europe model will only work on edge in US. devicewire have done a detailed review on a europe model and could only get edge. to get 3g will need to wait for official model for that region.

jonnyp4l said:
European 3G I believe works on the 1900 MHz band (supported by the Touch Pro 2). U.S. 3G operates on the 850 MHz band (also supported by the Touch Pro 2). By technical standards, this should work fine in the U.S. on the 3G band.
As far as the charger goes, yes, that is a concern. But I don't doubt that somewhere in your house you've got a miniUSB charger lying around. If not, your local Wal-Mart/Target/Radio-Shack/Best Buy will have a million of them.
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Actually you have it awry. European 3G runs on 2100mhz not 1900. U.S 3G runs on 850/1900mhz.
If you go to HTC's site, the TP2 Euro model will do GSM/GPRS/EDGE on 1900mhz. SO if O.P imports a Euro version, he could use it on EDGE or he could just wait for the AT&T version. T-mobile USA's 3G runs on 1700mhz though.

T-mobile USA's 3G requires both 1700mhz and 2100mhz. Suppose to be hear around July 22nd...

jonnyp4l said:
As far as the charger goes, yes, that is a concern. But I don't doubt that somewhere in your house you've got a miniUSB charger lying around. If not, your local Wal-Mart/Target/Radio-Shack/Best Buy will have a million of them.
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Standard mini usb cables, yes and i also am aware i can also just charge the thing using the included USB cable. What im asking about is the WALL charger. If HTC uses thier standard USB-mini cable that is on a good chunk of their devices, including the HD/ Tilt/Diamond ect.. im sure finding a US charger wont be that hard.
Also, i was asking about an Unlocked US version, i do not intend to get one though the carrier as i dont want a modified version that they lock down. Nor do i care to wait till the fall when AT&T gets off their duffs to finally release it.
In any event, im just keeping my ear open and seeing what the grapevine heard about it.

Sorry guys. My bad.
I was confusing the specifications thinking that HTC would at least be smart enough to include full support for all markets. I was reading the Quad-Band GSM as support for HSPA/3G bands. I was totally bypassing the HSPA/WCDMA dual-band specification.
Chalk it up to a mix of wishful thinking and childish excitement. That does, however, kick the crap out of my week. Only HTC can bring me down this hard.

Well, I guess ATT got approved for theirs. Now the only question remains is, will their be an unlocked US version that supports 3g? or will we have to get the European version?

I'm in Taiwan for Computex and am so tempted to buy a touch pro 2 here. I would wait for the AT&T version but after seeing they changed the keyboard I want the HTC model. Only reason I haven't picked one up yet is because it only gets edge in the US on AT&T.
Does anyone know if the hardware cannot physically work on at&t's 3g bands or do we just have to wait for the at&t version to come out so the radio can be copied over or something. Thanks!

xsupercat8000 said:
I'm in Taiwan for Computex and am so tempted to buy a touch pro 2 here. I would wait for the AT&T version but after seeing they changed the keyboard I want the HTC model. Only reason I haven't picked one up yet is because it only gets edge in the US on AT&T.
Does anyone know if the hardware cannot physically work on at&t's 3g bands or do we just have to wait for the at&t version to come out so the radio can be copied over or something. Thanks!
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The hardware physically cannot handle it. The Euro/Asian model only supports 3G on the European and Asian bands which are completely different frequencies from the ones used in the U.S. It's definitely not just a matter of software.
And I think we all need to be clear that no one has any idea what the AT&T keyboard will actually look like. The promotional material we have all seen and discussed ad nauseum is a slap-together of the HTC mockup with AT&T's promotional verbage. Even the promotional bullet points list that the "HTC Fortress" has a 5 row keyboard while the mockup picture shows a 4 row keyboard. That picture, at this point, means pretty much nothing at all.

I see, Ill hold off then. Its kinda hard to justify ~$800 on a phone here anyways that doesn't have a warranty in the states. Thanks for the help!

Will the US Unlocked Version have the secondary VGA camera for video conferencing like the European one does?
What is the advantage of getting a carrier specific phone (AT&T or T-Mobile) as opposed to a US Unlocked phone outside of price?
I'm currently with Sprint and want to switch to a GSM provider.

rmk1825 said:
Will the US Unlocked Version have the secondary VGA camera for video conferencing like the European one does?
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no, the us carriers don't support that feature => no front facing camera.
sad but true.
rmk1825 said:
What is the advantage of getting a carrier specific phone (AT&T or T-Mobile) as opposed to a US Unlocked phone outside of price?
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the carrier phones usually come with some sort of branding (software: e.g. sprint tv application / hardware: different battery cover, different keyboard layout and so on)
This can either be an advantage or a disadvantage...

rmk1825 said:
What is the advantage of getting a carrier specific phone (AT&T or T-Mobile) as opposed to a US Unlocked phone outside of price?
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Having 3G capabilities vs. Edge only!

iodaed said:
no, the us carriers don't support that feature => no front facing camera.
sad but true.
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galaxys said:
Having 3G capabilities vs. Edge only!
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So basically what I was hoping for in terms of a 3G phone with a front facing camera won't happen this round.

Htc Hero On 3g In The US ?

Hey, Ive had the Htc Hero for a few weeks, and i was wondering if it was possible to make a hack or something so 3g will work on the us 3g bands. Or will we have to wait until they release a gsm unlocked north American Htc hero. Please get back soon.

You'll have to wait because the HTC Hero only has the 900/2100 bands for 3G while the required bands are 850/1900 in the United States. Sorry.

Im thinking this will show up on Roger's in Canada (uses AT&T Compatible 850/1900) before it actually shows up from AT&T.
Ebay.ca would be the way to go.

I believe it might show up on AT&T sooner than we all think
A version with AT&T 3G bands have already passed the FCC (as well as a version with EvDo bands for Sprint) so it looks like 2 North American carriers are poised for some Hero lovin'. Frankly, I'm ready for either an AT&T Hero or a Sprint Hero as I use both carriers.

Freak786 said:
You'll have to wait because the HTC Hero only has the 900/2100 bands for 3G while the required bands are 850/1900 in the United States. Sorry.
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according to the htc site, the hero is quad band. I'm able to get a hero from asia and was wondering the same thing.
http://www.htc.com/www/product/hero/specification.html
it should work with at&t and should not lock you into an expensive plan like the iphone if you get it unlocked.

agentkalaw said:
according to the htc site, the hero is quad band. I'm able to get a hero from asia and was wondering the same thing.
http://www.htc.com/www/product/hero/specification.html
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Quad band for GSM, not for HSDPA/WCDMA. Hero will currently work in the US, but Edge is the best you'll get.
Regards,
Dave

My friends there is a US 3G that should hit the streets soon. its called HTC HERO 130(US). the Euro version is Htc Hero 100.
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1966&c=htc_hero_us_htc_hero_130
Enjoy !

daraj said:
My friends there is a US 3G that should hit the streets soon. its called HTC HERO 130(US). the Euro version is Htc Hero 100.
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1966&c=htc_hero_us_htc_hero_130
Enjoy !
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Is this a fact?

Ironically, yes and no!
It is called Hero, but it isn't the same Hero as we have in Europe.
http://newsreleases.sprint.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=220644&p=imageGalleryCategoryDetail&t=MI&MICategoryId=16507&
Spec wise, it is much the same (bands not withstanding), but I far prefer the look of the original Hero.
Regards,
Dave

foxmeister said:
Ironically, yes and no!
It is called Hero, but it isn't the same Hero as we have in Europe.
http://newsreleases.sprint.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=220644&p=imageGalleryCategoryDetail&t=MI&MICategoryId=16507&
Spec wise, it is much the same (bands not withstanding), but I far prefer the look of the original Hero.
Regards,
Dave
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Thats the Hero 200 not the Hero 130.

Its just a matter of time before we can use it on AT&T Network

Sorry guys, but the HTC Hero is exclusive to Sprint in the United States - http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/03/htc-hero-heading-to-sprint-october-11-for-179-99-no-chin/
Your best bet for a GSM Hero that works on AT&T's 3g is to wait for Rogers(GSM) in Canada to get it. Rogers has non google branded phones like the Magic(MyTouch 3g) and the Dream(G1). Thats just my thought and I could be wrong. But thats your last sign of hope for now. Plus Bell in Canada is getting the Palm Pre, so Rogers having a Hero is a nice fighting power to go against the Pre.
And lets put an end to this.... No European and Asian GSM HTC Hero will not have 3g in the US, only Edge!!! Theirs no hacks or anything that will work... We dont need more threads asking the same questions over and over.
One more thing came to mind. If AT&T and HTC take the SenseUI and put it onto a new android phone and called it something different.... Then you can have your Hero.. I dont see that happening this year. AT&T still has to release the Fortress(Touch Pro2) and Warhawk(Diamond2) still this year.

michd43 said:
Sorry guys, but the HTC Hero is exclusive to Sprint in the United States - http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/03/htc-hero-heading-to-sprint-october-11-for-179-99-no-chin/
Your best bet for a GSM Hero that works on AT&T's 3g is to wait for Rogers(GSM) in Canada to get it. Rogers has non google branded phones like the Magic(MyTouch 3g) and the Dream(G1). Thats just my thought and I could be wrong. But thats your last sign of hope for now. Plus Bell in Canada is getting the Palm Pre, so Rogers having a Hero is a nice fighting power to go against the Pre.
And lets put an end to this.... No European and Asian GSM HTC Hero will not have 3g in the US, only Edge!!! Theirs no hacks or anything that will work... We dont need more threads asking the same questions over and over.
One more thing came to mind. If AT&T and HTC take the SenseUI and put it onto a new android phone and called it something different.... Then you can have your Hero.. I dont see that happening this year. AT&T still has to release the Fortress(Touch Pro2) and Warhawk(Diamond2) still this year.
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No one is saying that ATT will get the HERO. We are saying that there will be 850Mhz WDMA version that works on ATT 3G network. It could be very much like you said Rogers Canada. again, there will be HERO 130 that supports ATT 3G network.

does anyone know if the sprint hero will be able to be rooted? i have heard that it will not be possible. please respond thank you.

850 3g ready!
http://www.importgsm.com/product.php?productid=660&cat=0&page=1
It seems some people are wrong... there is a US 3g version of the Hero, as HTC does have a US 3g version of the magic/ mytouch (sold by Rogers)...

sqc001 said:
http://www.importgsm.com/product.php?productid=660&cat=0&page=1
It seems some people are wrong... there is a US 3g version of the Hero, as HTC does have a US 3g version of the magic/ mytouch (sold by Rogers)...
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This has been covered in this forum many many times already. You don't have to dig up old threads and then add in some wrong information.
The AT&T 3G capable (850/1900) Hero is carried by Canadian carrier Telus, NOT Rogers. The phone is available from their website directly for CAD$499 + tax, without contract. They don't ship outside Canada, and people have reported that their local Telus stores do not sell them without opening a line. Some said that it could be purchased without contract at BestBuy (in Canada of course).
A friend (who lives in Canada) of mine helped me to get one. It is unbranded, but sim locked to Telus. Unlock code can be purchased on eBay for slightly over 20 bucks. Mine now works with AT&T 3G flawlessly. Note that the difference between this Hero and the European Hero, is in hardware. No ROM flashing will enable 850/1900 for 3G on the European Hero.

sqc001 said:
http://www.importgsm.com/product.php?productid=660&cat=0&page=1
It seems some people are wrong... there is a US 3g version of the Hero, as HTC does have a US 3g version of the magic/ mytouch (sold by Rogers)...
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BTW, the support of the band 850 alone will not enable a phone to use AT&T 3G network. It requires BOTH 850 and 1900 together.

Yup i'm from toronto and under contract with Rogers. I bought a Telus HTC Hero and unlocked it and it works perfect with Rogers. I took a trip down to NYC and it works on AT&T 3G with no problems.

850/1900 VS. 900/2100 for 3G
I belive that hardware wise - they're not really different.
we already saw in the past hacks (for WM phones) to "enable" more bands.
I believe that HTC blocks part of the bands to complete certification faster (FCC, ETSI etc), and it can be tricked... once we'll have "US 3G" radio, we'll be able to play with it, and compare to "Europenian 3G" radio.
Tomer

tomerbn said:
I belive that hardware wise - they're not really different.
we already saw in the past hacks (for WM phones) to "enable" more bands.
I believe that HTC blocks part of the bands to complete certification faster (FCC, ETSI etc), and it can be tricked... once we'll have "US 3G" radio, we'll be able to play with it, and compare to "Europenian 3G" radio.
Tomer
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Sorry but this is not the case. Rogers version of Dream and Magic have been out for long time already. Have you heard of any case where people can get European or T-Mobile versions of these phones to work on AT&T 3G?
1. The European Hero does not share the same hardware part number with the Telus Hero. The former is HERO100 and the latter is HERO130. Note that this part number is independent of the ROM installed. Asian Heros (Hong Kong, Taiwan, China etc), all have different ROMs but they are all HERO100.
2. Your "certification theory" is wrong. This type of certification doesn't work that way. Adding another chip to support 2 more bands won't delay the certification by months. Days, at most, if at all.
3. Continued from 2. The HERO100 was never sent to FCC for certification. I have both phones with me right now, and there is no FCC certification logo on the HERO100 hardware or on the box, while the FCC logo is easily spotted on the HERO130.
4. People on the other thread had report dialing problems flashing HERO100 radio rom onto HERO130. The problem went away by flashing a newer HERO100 (but no one knows where it came from) radio rom, although people are still reporting SMS problem with this radio rom on HERO130. This radio has been reported to work perfectly (indeed, a lot reported better reception) on HERO100. If the HERO100 and the HERO130 share the same hardware, the difference should go away by flashing the same rom. The fact that, with the same rom the HERO130 supports 850/1900 for 3G while the HERO100 doesn't, clearly indicate the difference in hardware.
While it is not impossible for cell phone manufacturers modify radio rom to restrict bands that their phones support, this is very uncommon (Can you name those WinMo device that you mentioned?). On the other hand, almost every cell phone model has various verisons of hardware to support different bands in different countries. A chip that supports fewer bands costs less. When there are enough demand to move sales, it is much more profitable to produce a region specific hardware with a cheaper chip than to write code to restrict the functionality of a more expensive chip that supports bands that that region never needs.

Is there a version of this phone with 3G in the 850/1900 MHz AND 2100MHz frequencies?

I am a Kaiser (ATT Tilt / TyTn II) user who would like to upgrade to the Touch Pro II (Rhodium).
I know that the T-mobile version of this phone supports the 1700 & 2100 frequencies; while the European version of the phone supports the 900 & 2100 frequencies.
My Kaiser supports the 850/1900 AND 2100 Mhz frequencies, which means that I can travel all over the world and always find a 3G provider for my phone.
Does anybody know if there is a version of the Touch Pro II (Rhodium) that supports the same three 3G frequencies as my Kaiser; namely the 850/1900 MHz AND 2100MHz frequencies?
IMPORTANT: Please note that I am talking about the 3G (HSPA / WCDMA ) frequencies. I already know that the Rhodium is Quad band for on GSM/GPRS/EDGE; but for me to switch to this phone I MUST have triple band in the 3G bands; just like I have with the ATT Tilt right now.
Looking forward to your answers.

My guess would be the Tilt 2 (AT&T's version of the TP2) could have the bands like that. But I don't for sure...

YodaJM said:
My guess would be the Tilt 2 (AT&T's version of the TP2) could have the bands like that. But I don't for sure...
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Does ATT have the Tilt 2? For months I saw posts on the internet saying that it would come to ATT, but as far as I can tell (from ATT website) it was never made available.

We're still waiting for it
Some current rumors put it in October for the WinMo 6.5 launch.

Perhaps this one?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4471843&postcount=74

TP2 - T-mobile US version does support the following bands - no 1700
I believe the T-mobile US version does:
Here is what I see in the phone "band menu" - No 1700 support..(I believe TMo US did not win this US frequency..)
GSM(900&1800) + UMTS(900&2100)
or
GSM(1900&850) + UMTS (1900&850)
or
UMTS(2100&800)
I can switch from "Auto" to GSM or WCMA..
Hope this helps you.

The T-Mo TP2 doesn't work on AT&T's 3G unfortunately.

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I believe the T-mobile US version does:
Here is what I see in the phone "band menu" - No 1700 support..(I believe TMo US did not win this US frequency..)
GSM(900&1800) + UMTS(900&2100)
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GSM(1900&850) + UMTS (1900&850)
or
UMTS(2100&800)
I can switch from "Auto" to GSM or WCMA..
Hope this helps you.
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TMO has the 1700

No there is not currently a phone in the market that will enable you to use AT&T 3G.
Wait until AT&T releases their own version of the Touch Pro 2. (they will)
Or, if you don't care about 3G (you should care) then the European Version, T-Mobile version, Sprint version and Verizon versions will all work on AT&T's EDGE network.

skyler17 said:
No there is not currently a phone in the market that will enable you to use AT&T 3G.
Wait until AT&T releases their own version of the Touch Pro 2. (they will)
Or, if you don't care about 3G (you should care) then the European Version, T-Mobile version, Sprint version and Verizon versions will all work on AT&T's EDGE network.
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Thanks for your reply and the reply of all others. So my own research confirms that there is no product out there yet that will support the same three bands as the HTC Kaiser (Tilt).
I am not in a rush at all. I was a Blackberry user for many years (had 3 blackberries) and I got fed up with Research in Motion because of their lack of operating system openness. That's when I switched to Windows Mobile...through a brand new ATT Tilt (Kaiser) which I purchased only a few months ago.
Its just that I am SO happy with my choice that I am thinking ahead to my next upgrade, since a bigger nad higher resolution screen, combined with faster processor, and more RAM would be ideal. But I am not planning to switch to the Rhodium anytime soon.
I will first wait for ATT to launch it at full price, then for people to start selling new units on Ebay, for competition to get intense, and prices to come down..and for xda-developers to really get active on that unit; then I will switch. So I am thinking that for all those things to happen I will wait about 6 to 12 months after launch date of the ATT model (which is the one I would need to get in order to gain the trully global flexibility) to switch over to that unit.
Thanks again for your responses.

skyler17 said:
No there is not currently a phone in the market that will enable you to use AT&T 3G.
Wait until AT&T releases their own version of the Touch Pro 2. (they will)
Or, if you don't care about 3G (you should care) then the European Version, T-Mobile version, Sprint version and Verizon versions will all work on AT&T's EDGE network.
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You can import Telstra Australia's version of TP2 which runs on UMTS 850mHz

f1ip said:
TMO has the 1700
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Not on my T-Mobile SP2 (US) - I remember reading that they lucked out on some frequnecy but maybe it was not 1700...

lui2001 said:
Not on my T-Mobile SP2 (US) - I remember reading that they lucked out on some frequnecy but maybe it was not 1700...
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Well the reason I stated that T-Mobile was using the 1700/2100 3G frequencies is because those are the one that they mention in the catalog of the SP2 that they make available through their website!
There is plenty of articles on the net which say that T-Mobile chose a frequency which is not used by any other carrier in the world, and they refer to the 1700 frequency. Here are just a few:
http://gigaom.com/2008/09/23/4-things-you-need-to-know-about-t-mobile-3g/
"The T-Mobile 3G network may look like those in use by other global carriers, but it’s not. T-Mobile uses a radio frequency band (1700 MHz) for 3G connections that is unique in the world. The carrier claims it allows faster data speeds but the reality is it means that only phones specifically designed for the T-Mobile network will work at full speed"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-Mobile
In September of 2008 T-Mobile began rolling out it's 3G network (operating on the 1700 MHz band)
The official T-Mobile website says:
https://support.t-mobile.com/doc/tm23715.xml;jsessionid=xhk4zMCQaMfhQJxqos?
What frequency does your 3G network support?
Our 3G network supports both the 1700MHz and 2100MHz frequencies.
Since the T-Mobile website says they support both 1700 and 2100, I wonder if a phone that supports the "850/1900 MHz AND 2100MHz" combination (such as the Tilt, and perhaps the Tilt 2) works with T-Mobile's 3G network?

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You can import Telstra Australia's version of TP2 which runs on UMTS 850mHz
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That is interesting. So the Australian version of the Tp2 runs on UMTS? Is that phone out already? Does it support 1900 and 2100 3G as well?

witschey said:
That is interesting. So the Australian version of the Tp2 runs on UMTS? Is that phone out already? Does it support 1900 and 2100 3G as well?
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It has 850MHz and 2100MHz, but not 1900MHz. It will work on part of AT&Ts 3G network but not all of it.

petard said:
It has 850MHz and 2100MHz, but not 1900MHz. It will work on part of AT&Ts 3G network but not all of it.
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i see. Thanks for the reply. In that case I am going to wait for the ATT model as that has the frequency combination that fits best with my international work.

I found the HTC Touch Pro2 (US Version) at On The Go Solutions
Last Friday I found the HTC Touch Pro2 (US Version) at On The Go Solutions:
http://www.onthegosolutions.com/product.asp?itemMDL=HTC_TOUCHPRO2_US
They told me it will be available in about 2 weeks. According to them it will run Windows Mobile 6.1 and not 6.5.
Hope this helps.

Too expensive!
Hope price go low in a few months...
All TP2 versions comes with 6.1 installed but MS announced a free update to 6.5 soon as they release it!
Thanks for the info and welcome to forums!

orb3000 said:
Too expensive!
Hope price go low in a few months...
All TP2 versions comes with 6.1 installed but MS announced a free update to 6.5 soon as they release it!
Thanks for the info and welcome to forums!
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Yes, price is definitely going down and quickly. Don't be fooled into buying at such high prices. If you take a look at the T-Mobile model it is being sold on Ebay brand new, unopened for US $449; and that is only a few weeks after the product was released. I expect the same behavior with the ATT model, or even lower prices if it doesn't include a front camera...and has less memory (as some have speculated) than the other models.
I am going to wait 6 to 12 months to get mine, and I expect to be able to obtain a brand new one, without a contract for aproximately $300 within that time frame.

Yeah.. I know
I expect to buy it lower in less time

Let me get this straight - So TP2 is not a true "world phone"?

I'm a little green when it comes to 3G stuff, but please correct me if I am wrong...
Yes, you can put foreign SIM cards in US TP2's but not get 3G coverage in Europe. On the other hand from what I have read, European TP2's (even the unbranded ones) will not work with 3G is the US.
And if I am wrong... can someone please point me to a TP2 that will work on 3G networks in most of the world?
Or does one have to have two TP2's to enjoy 3G.. one for the US, and one for Europe, etc.?

quid246 said:
I'm a little green when it comes to 3G stuff, but please correct me if I am wrong...
Yes, you can put foreign SIM cards in US TP2's but not get 3G coverage in Europe. On the other hand from what I have read, European TP2's (even the unbranded ones) will not work with 3G is the US.
And if I am wrong... can someone please point me to a TP2 that will work on 3G networks in most of the world?
Or does one have to have two TP2's to enjoy 3G.. one for the US, and one for Europe, etc.?
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Where have you heard that a NA TP2 won't work with 3G in EU?
The only limitation I'm aware of is a NA TP2 won't work w/ NA GSM 3G.

Oh SoS said:
Where have you heard that a NA TP2 won't work with 3G in EU?
The only limitation I'm aware of is a NA TP2 won't work w/ NA GSM 3G.
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Until someone hacks it

I can't remember where I read it. But someone said if you wanted 3G in Europe, better to get a Euro unbranded model.
So perhaps this is under the assumption that it isn't hacked... not sure.
Slightly, off-topic Q but rather than start a new thread.... once a HardSPL is out for both the CDMA and GSM TP2's... will they effectively be "equal" devoces?
I really would like to pick-up a TP2 in the next few days... I like the VZ unit, but it's CDMA and since I travel quite a bit, really prefer and need more of a GSM phone, but don't like the TMO as no 3.5mm jack.

quid246 said:
I can't remember where I read it. But someone said if you wanted 3G in Europe, better to get a Euro unbranded model.
So perhaps this is under the assumption that it isn't hacked... not sure.
Slightly, off-topic Q but rather than start a new thread.... once a HardSPL is out for both the CDMA and GSM TP2's... will they effectively be "equal" devoces?
I really would like to pick-up a TP2 in the next few days... I like the VZ unit, but it's CDMA and since I travel quite a bit, really prefer and need more of a GSM phone, but don't like the TMO as no 3.5mm jack.
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The Verizon unit already has international GSM bands unlocked, AND international (2100MHz 3G). If you've been a Verizon customer for 60 days or more you can call them up and get an unlock code for free and use any SIM card in your phone so you can get a cheap prepaid SIM and not pay the high Verizon roaming costs. There's also a small (I'd say around 25%) chance that the NA 3G bands will be found/unlocked, but at this point who really knows if they are there or not.

Actually the Telus CDMA TP2 supports the European 3G bands but not the American ones becuase technically you will be using it in North America on CDMA and outside America on GSM. So its the other way around

It seems that if you have the Sprint TP2 that it won't register at all on US GSM networks, but comes unlocked by default.
On Verizon (which I have) a simple phone call to support they'll give you the unlock code and you're good to go. I use an Orange (UK) Sim in mine just fine in the US and others in other forums have reported that using US SIM's from TMobile/AT&T work fine also in the US.
--chris

TP2 = best 'World' phone I've ever owned.
quid246 said:
I'm a little green when it comes to 3G stuff, but please correct me if I am wrong...
Yes, you can put foreign SIM cards in US TP2's but not get 3G coverage in Europe. On the other hand from what I have read, European TP2's (even the unbranded ones) will not work with 3G is the US.
And if I am wrong... can someone please point me to a TP2 that will work on 3G networks in most of the world?
Or does one have to have two TP2's to enjoy 3G.. one for the US, and one for Europe, etc.?
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I have an unbranded HTC factory TP2, and it works in 3G mode anywhere I take it that has the 3G network... and I travel all over the US/Caribbean and back to EU/UK. Have not found one spot it hasn't worked (inlcduing some of the very obscure Carib countries), and I like the fact that it automatically picks up HS when within range without having to change any settings.
Just have to make sure that your provider gives you a 3G SIM (most of them are these days) and that you have the 3G service enabled on your account in the respective country.
Many people say they can't pick it up yet don't have it on their account, or think that their EU provider will automatically provide it as part of the roaming service... which is not a good assumption to make.

TyTanIc said:
I have an unbranded HTC factory TP2, and it works in 3G mode anywhere I take it that has the 3G network... and I travel all over the US/Caribbean and back to EU/UK. Have not found one spot it hasn't worked (inlcduing some of the very obscure Carib countries), and I like the fact that it automatically picks up HS when within range without having to change any settings.
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3G in North America? I doubt that. The phone does not support North American 3G bands. Are you sure it was 3G in North America??

Man, this is all confusing... I swear somebody has to come up with an HTML table of what phones work with what and where and stickify it.

Can people just put this to bed already!!!
The Sprint (North America) TP2 is suppossed to be used on CDMA in the US and GSM worldwide, hence the GSM radio is unlocked for outside America GSM use. This is how it comes default. If that is so hard to grasp, then there is no hope for some, sadly.
As for the title, the TP2 is a world phone, it works in the US (and North Ameria) on CDMA and elsewhere unlocked on GSM. That to me is the true definition of a World phone from a U.S CDMA perspective (and especially moreso as this is the CDMA version).
To put it in perspective, a Sprint customer (in this case, moi) gets the best of CDMA in the U.S and when traveling to visit his sister in High Wycombe in the U.K (like i'll be doing this Autumm) gets to pop in a PAYG U.K sim in the same phone and use it while over there. This phone doesn't get any "worldlier" to me than this scenario!!
Is the O.P attempting to specifically define a dual mode CDMA/GSM-unlocked World phone as not world phone because it's locked by default from doing GSM in it's primary market which happens to be CDMA (and in this case Sprint)?
This is not rocket science folks, it really isn't.

LordLugard said:
Is the O.P attempting to specifically define a dual mode CDMA/GSM-unlocked World phone as not world phone because it's locked by default from doing GSM in it's primary market which happens to be CDMA (and in this case Sprint)?
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Point taken. It's just that with that same Sprint phone (correct me if I am wrong), you can't travel to Canada pop in a Rogers SIM card and get Rogers 3G.
Wouldn't the phone want to swing towards it's CDMA cousin, Telus or Bell?

mmmhhh86 said:
3G in North America? I doubt that. The phone does not support North American 3G bands. Are you sure it was 3G in North America??
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AT&T 3G runs on 850/1900 GSM, the TP2 supports both of those bands, how would it not work with 3G on AT&T in the US?
T-Mobile runs 3G on 1700/2100 GSM bands, both of which aren't included on the TP2, as far as my research has lead me to believe.

Basically while it may be a quad band GSM phone, it is only a dual band 3G device. It comes in two flavours - UMTS 900+2100 or UMTS 1900+850
The 900/2100 version is far more common than 850/1900

.mak said:
AT&T 3G runs on 850/1900 GSM, the TP2 supports both of those bands, how would it not work with 3G on AT&T in the US?
T-Mobile runs 3G on 1700/2100 GSM bands, both of which aren't included on the TP2, as far as my research has lead me to believe.
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It supports those bands for HSDPA CDMA not GSM 3G
Network 3G EVDO Rev A (800/1900 MHz), UMTS/HSPA (2100 MHz), GSM/ EDGE (850/900/1800/1900 MHz)
This is the Telus version btw

quid246 said:
Point taken. It's just that with that same Sprint phone (correct me if I am wrong), you can't travel to Canada pop in a Rogers SIM card and get Rogers 3G.
Wouldn't the phone want to swing towards it's CDMA cousin, Telus or Bell?
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"it Depends"
The US CDMA phone operates in 3 modes.
1 CDMA Only
2 GSM Only
3 'Global' (whatever it can find).
If you have it in Global it will generally take the CDMA local carrier over anything else. However, not always. I've had mine switch to GSM for a bit then go back to CDMA. But mine is Verizon and unlocked so it works everywhere in the US and I also have a UK sim card in it. So I'm a little 'different'.
But, in any case, you can tell the phone which mode to use if you want. All upto you.
--chris
(verizon TP2)

here we go again... (tp2 3g na)
"I have an unbranded HTC factory TP2, and it works in 3G mode anywhere I take it that has the 3G network... and I travel all over the US/Caribbean and back to EU/UK. Have not found one spot it hasn't worked (inlcduing some of the very obscure Carib countries), and I like the fact that it automatically picks up HS when within range without having to change any settings."
So, maybe he's wrong. But either way...
You wanna know why this keeps coming up again and again?
(not because we're all dumb and thick headed, which we may very well be)
But,
Because we just have trouble imagining them hardware "band amplifier" hobbling the hardware when it's so much easier to do it somewhere in firmware.
We all know that the less you fiddle with the hardware for multi-region functionality the less you have to fiddle with the production line and fiddling with the production line is the Last Thing a manufacturer wants to do.
Someone even once said that there wasn't room in the Rhodium platform for quad band data support. But now we're expecting the tilt 2 to do just that.
So, all protestations aside, those of us who paid ~700 us clams for this beauty, and who like the kbd layout.
And who have like me (as quite the Early Adopter), forked out for an sx56, sx66, 8135, x7510((quad band data)
Just feel a leetle wee bit of a sense, dare I say it, of Entitlement for the TP2 to be enabled into a fully world wide phone.
So we keep hunting, and digging, and dreaming, and .... posting.....

well here is my two cents i have the original unlocked euro version of the tp2 and all i get in the us it edge. it is really impossible to get 3g in the US (2100) because this version of the phone literally does not have the attena for it. and so that you can see all the different types of tp2s and the technical and physical differences between them here is a link: http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacom...&id3=1792&id4=1829&id5=1766&id6=1989&id7=1751

drae1980 said:
well here is my two cents i have the original unlocked euro version of the tp2 and all i get in the us it edge. it is really impossible to get 3g in the US (2100) because this version of the phone literally does not have the attena for it. and so that you can see all the different types of tp2s and the technical and physical differences between them here is a link: http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacom...&id3=1792&id4=1829&id5=1766&id6=1989&id7=1751
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3g in the USA must be on the 1700 band then, as thats the only gsm band that the euro version doesn't support.
Euro version
GSM850, GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900, UMTS900, UMTS2100
TMOUS version
GSM850, GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900, UMTS1700, UMTS2100

Anyone know of a good site to order a prepaid SIM card? I plan on using my VZW TP2 in Spain and France. I was also wondering if I should or could disable data and use my TP2 with Garmin XT so I don't get nailed for data usage. Your thoughts would be appreciated...
Mugs

[Q] AT&T Tilt2 on T-Mobile no 3G or HSDPA only Edge

Looked everywhere but have only found a few comments mainly regarding the AT&T network.
I have a AT&T branded Tilt-2 with TP2_Core_Cell_Evo_V3.1_(23127) and am on the T-mobile network.
In my area we have HSDPA and 3G, and my HTC 3G Dash shows those connections and runs from 583K up to 898K.
My Tilt2 on the other hand runs between 36K and a max of 156K (usually its under 50K)
I have tried everything and a ton of different radios and nothing seems to help.
I can't believe I am the only one, and I am sure its in the forum but I havent been able to find it and I have been looking for 2 days now. Does ANYONE know if there is a solution to this or am I stuck with a great looking phone and ROM that is slower than my old HTC Universal.
So I am starting this thread with the keywords in the title to help others find the info/help/cab/settings to fix this issue.
Any help would be appreciated..
Charles

Can I assume from the deafening silence that there is no solution and this would be why I couldn't find anything when I was searching all over the forums.

I thought AT&T and T-mobile use different bands for their 3G...haven't met anyone yet that can switch between these two and get the others' 3G service to work on the phone from the other...only Edge.

Yep, 3G are are different bands and AT&T's unique.
Most likely, hardware limit and T-Mobile Touch Pro 2 version is what you wanted.
However, for my Tilt 2, I use AT&T Prepaid Pay-as-you-go and get full 3G service and for $20 get 30 days of 100MB data at full speed. The Pay-as-you-go offers a $3.00 per day for unlimited calls during 24 hour period when you choose plan.

But the settings on the phone even show the 2100MHZ band and other stuff.. thought quad band phones were useable on all GSM networks. I guess that must mean the phones are but not the data portion of the phone.
So it would seem I have a really nice looking phone thats about as functional as a Windows 7 computer with a 56K dialup modem. Great...
Anyone on AT&T and have a T-mobile Touch Pro2 that they would like to swap with me.

when you talk about gsm (gprs/edge/2g), there are 4 bands and pretty much all devices can work on those. when it comes to umts (3g/hspa encap) thats where proprietary bands come in. word wide you will have the 900 and 2100 bands, att uses the 850 and 1900 bands, and tmobile uses 1700. what bands a phone is capable of running on depends on the baseband hardware in the phone. theres no way to change this without basically swapping the phone out for the carrier branded device.
cdma like sprint and verizon is another monster...

cdgoin said:
thought quad band phones were useable on all GSM networks.
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They do, but working and working optimally are 2 different things. You should always buy a phone to work on the network you use regularly, and be happy it works at all on others when you travel.

Live and learn..
I wonder if anyone out there in the community has a TouchPro2 that they got for use on AT&T and would like to swap..?
Charles

Can't get 3G Either
I'm using an unlocked HTC Touch Pro 2 (Euro Version) on T-Mobile and can only get Edge. The funny hting is that T-mobile is stumped on the issue even though they've seen that I'm using an HTC Touch Pro 2, not the branded T-Mo version. I just started looking into hardware differences tonight and will post whatever I find. I'm glad you started the thread.

T-Mobile HSPA bands
Just confirmed my suspicions.
The branded T-Mobile Touch Pro 2 operates on HSPA/WCDMA on the following bands: 1700/2100 MHz.
The HTC Touch Pro 2 (unbranded) operates on HSPA/WCDMA: 900/2100 MHz.
So, if you want 3G, you need to stick with the T-Mobile branded phone.
Wow...I never thought I'd hear myself saying those words. *sigh* =(

I actually have a t-mobile branded HTC Touch Pro 2 I use on ATT, if you really wanna swap I'm totally down for that. My email is [email protected] shoot me a message and lets work out how to go about this.