My car is a BMW that has bluetooth phone integration. This basically lets the car's built in speakers and mic act as a super expensive BT headset for your phone. I like this feature.
However, the phone also downloads the phones contact list over BT as well, so it can display it on the navigation screen in a scrolling list. While this feature is well-intentioned, and sounds like a good idea at first, it is problematic for two reasons:
1) it downloads the entire contact list and there is no settings on the car side to make it download a subset or not to download at all.
The problem with this is that the list of contacts becomes so long that it's useless to use because to get to a name at the end of the list, you would be scrolling for 5 minutes. For this reason, I've given up on dialing through the nav screen interface and just dial the call on the phone and use the car as a dumb BT headset.
2) while downloading the contact list, my TP2 gets so busy that it barely responds to any screen or button presses.
since the download takes about 5 minutes and takes place automatically when you start the car and have BT turned-on on the phone, this means that if a call comes in within the first 5 minutes of starting your car, you can't answer it because the answer slider won't respond and neither will the answer button. using the car's onscreen "answer call" control doesn't work either.
in one particularly infuriating scenario, i left a restaurant after having dinner with some out of town relatives and my mom. they were going to go home and i was going to run an errand in the opposite direction but, being unfamiliar with the area, they followed me out of the parking lot. i immediately started trying to call my mom to tell them to turn around but since the phone was locked up doing the download, they ended up following me basically to the next freeway exit 5 miles away while i was furiously pushing buttons and tapping all over the screen trying to make a call. I was already at my destination before the phone get decongested and I got through to them.
anyhow, i had problem #1 with my HTC XV6800 mogul and worked around it by just ignoring the car's screen dialing interface. the contact download never locked up the phone. however, with my new TP2, I have to deal with the phone being unavailable for 5 minutes every time I start the car, which is more of a problem. i don't know why the TP2 gets locked up this way when the mogul didn't. It's even more frustrating because it is doing this for a feature I don't even use. (actually, i should say that I am not sure that it is the contacts transfer that causes the lock-up, but that’s the best explanation I can think of for now)
So my question is: is there any way or setting to turn off transfer of contacts to a BT device? or even better would be a way to limit the contacts transferred to a group or category that I could define for frequently used contacts?
any ideas? maybe a registry setting?
It sounds more like a problem with the BMW. AFAIK the phonebook transfer is requested by the head unit, so maybe the BMW is asking every time you turn it on
I have a Blaupunkt head unit that also downloads the phonebook but it only asks for it once when the phone is first paired with it. I have heard of people having some problems if they pair the HU with the phone rather than the other way round.
re the contacts list, do you have some kind of keypad on the HU? If so try typing the first few characters of the cantact name
stunno said:
It sounds more like a problem with the BMW. AFAIK the phonebook transfer is requested by the head unit, so maybe the BMW is asking every time you turn it on
re the contacts list, do you have some kind of keypad on the HU? If so try typing the first few characters of the cantact name
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I know the problem is with the BMW, but it's less likely that i can change that side of the problem than the phone side. The BMW definitely does not store the phonebook. i think there is very limited local storage on board, or they don't want to deal with synchronization issues.
There is a letter jump function, but since it also breaks out every phone number for a person into multiple lines. eg:
john smith (H)
john smith (C)
john smith (W)
then there is still a lot of scrolling.
anyhow, does anybody know of any such thing as a registry setting like (made up example) "HKEY_CURRENT_CONFIG\BT\AllowPhonebookTransfer: Yes"
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Hi everybody,
Hope that someone can help me here with the following:
On my motorbike I have an (Starcom1) motor intercom.
I can speak to the passenger, listen to navigation, listen to music and talk to another motorbike. All fine.
Now I use (of course) WM6 devices. Currently the HTC Cruise.
Before I had it set up via my Garmin Navigator, phone rings, number appears on screen and I can decide to pickup or not.
Problem was that on short rides, it is too much hassle to put the navigator on all the time and I hoped to find a better way to still recieve phonecalls.
SO I paired my phone straight to the Bluetooth box on my Starcom.
The problem is that, according to Starcom, my phone needs to be in autoanswerring mode to be able to use it.
Of course this works but is not exactly what I have in mind. Now it is on autoanswer alll the time or I have to go through long menu's to switch it on and off, if I get away from the bike.
I see two options but have not found a solution:
There is some kind of 'connecting' profile system thats switches to autoanswer when it detects a BT headset or special device.
Use voice commands but I have found I always need to press the button to be able to use this. Would there be a method to answer a call without touching the phone in my pocket?
Please give me your thoughts and suggestions.
I have a new HTC TouchPro2 which I just love, having used the original TouchPro for about a year. I am a business user and must have server connectivity, remote synchronisation to Outlook and a bluetooth version that works with my car. (Jaguar XF). Thats where the problem starts. Out of the box or after a reset the phone works perfectly with the car. However once I have synchronised my Outlook data to it things start to go wrong.
The first indication of this is that having instigated a call from the car touch screen, when I press the 'end call' button on the car screen, the call does not end so i have to press the end call button on the touchPro2. That breaks the call but does not hand the car back to me for 1 minute 45 seconds. The indication of this is that for instance the radio remains muted for that long.
I can put up with that, but later the bluetooth connection deteriorates further. For instance I can still make outgoing calls from the car screen but incoming calls ring on the phone but not the car and outgoing calls from the phone (not the car screen) are not picked up by the car so I am not hands free.
If i copy my Outlook contacts to my SIMM and then reset the phone, all works fine again and the phone book downloads to the car. I can even copy the contacts from the SIMM to the phone and all is still ok, but as soon as I synchronise to the server the problems start again.
can anyone out there help me please?
MDG424 said:
I have a new HTC TouchPro2 which I just love, having used the original TouchPro for about a year. I am a business user and must have server connectivity, remote synchronisation to Outlook and a bluetooth version that works with my car. (Jaguar XF). Thats where the problem starts. Out of the box or after a reset the phone works perfectly with the car. However once I have synchronised my Outlook data to it things start to go wrong.
The first indication of this is that having instigated a call from the car touch screen, when I press the 'end call' button on the car screen, the call does not end so i have to press the end call button on the touchPro2. That breaks the call but does not hand the car back to me for 1 minute 45 seconds. The indication of this is that for instance the radio remains muted for that long.
I can put up with that, but later the bluetooth connection deteriorates further. For instance I can still make outgoing calls from the car screen but incoming calls ring on the phone but not the car and outgoing calls from the phone (not the car screen) are not picked up by the car so I am not hands free.
If i copy my Outlook contacts to my SIMM and then reset the phone, all works fine again and the phone book downloads to the car. I can even copy the contacts from the SIMM to the phone and all is still ok, but as soon as I synchronise to the server the problems start again.
can anyone out there help me please?
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Try the solution in this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=591322
It has fixed problems with other car kits caused by the TP2's Widcomm bluetooth stack.
I looked around for a post, but didn't find one.
As I understand it, when receiving an incoming call, you have to
slide up the screen, then click the slender "accept" button (and
then click the little down arrows, then click speakerphone if you're
in a car without bluetooth).
Is that really the best/only way to do it? Anyone working on an
app that makes answering calls just hitting the search button or
something?
As of now, I find it very distracting/dangerous to answer calls while
driving.
Tips?
Sorry but I also would like to know how to terminate a phone call without looking at the screen
At the moment I'm turning the screen on, and then click on 'terminate the phone call'
But I'm sure there is an easier way, especially using the physical buttons.
Thanks for any tip.
if you have bluetooth hooked up to your phone, you can just answer the phone call via the bluetooth device.
Bluetooth is the only hands-free way, I'm thinking they weren't trying to make it particularly easy to use while driving, in many places this is illegal, in the US it's happening more places all the time.
Some places are even attacking Bluetooth usage while driving.
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Bluetooth is the only hands-free way, I'm thinking they weren't trying to make it particularly easy to use while driving, in many places this is illegal, in the US it's happening more places all the time.
Some places are even attacking Bluetooth usage while driving.
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Agreed, and wish MS would also include rSAP as many luxury European vehicles (Mercedes, VW Group including Audi, Bentley, Lamborghini, and other manufacturers/brands) support rSAP, which offers great features such as address book migration to the car for ease of dialing out.
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I looked around for a post, but didn't find one.
As I understand it, when receiving an incoming call, you have to
slide up the screen, then click the slender "accept" button (and
then click the little down arrows, then click speakerphone if you're
in a car without bluetooth).
Is that really the best/only way to do it? Anyone working on an
app that makes answering calls just hitting the search button or
something?
As of now, I find it very distracting/dangerous to answer calls while
driving.
Tips?
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don't answer calls while driving...
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Agreed, and wish MS would also include rSAP as many luxury European vehicles (Mercedes, VW Group including Audi, Bentley, Lamborghini, and other manufacturers/brands) support rSAP, which offers great features such as address book migration to the car for ease of dialing out.
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I've heard his protocol is on its way out. My Honda pulls the contacts just fine from my HD7 & 2 and the G1, pulls the exchange data and loads it into the car.
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I've heard his protocol is on its way out.
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Sad if true as with rSAP the cell phone antenna/receiver that is built into the car is far superior in power than the one inside the phone. What protocol of Bluetooth is your Honda using to pull the data and i assume it pulls the data and uses an antenna/amplifier unit built into your car instead of the cell phones?
TBH you dont really need to look at the screen to answer it, flick up and press in the middle on the left....
But like everyone said just get handsfree, if your car doesnt have it you can buy them stupidly cheap anyway.
On the new MINI its really good, pulls the contacts and all of your text messages from the HD7, you can read any new text messages on the navi screen
I think it was HTC or LG that has an app out there that allows you to do various phone things with the placement of the phone. Like turn on the speakerphone by placing the phone face down after you've answered a call or turning it face down while ringing to silence the ringer...
Yeh the HTC app called attentive phone.
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Sad if true as with rSAP the cell phone antenna/receiver that is built into the car is far superior in power than the one inside the phone. What protocol of Bluetooth is your Honda using to pull the data and i assume it pulls the data and uses an antenna/amplifier unit built into your car instead of the cell phones?
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I think it uses Address Book Profile, it's abbreviated as ABP (I'm not 100% sure what is abbreviated there)
It uses the mic and amp in the car for audio, it uses the antenna built into the phone, I've never used the external antenna port on my phones, I think my Tmo Wing was the last one with this port available externally.
For A2DP I'm using a device called FIPO, and a Soundgate core, and a soundgate Honda kit. The Honda kit hooks to the back of my nav unit and pretends to be a CD changer, so that I can use the controls on my steering wheel and nav screen. The Core is connected to the Honda Kit, core comes in two models, iPod and Zune, I used the Zune for my Zune. I use the iPod Core to connect to the FIPO. The FIPO is controlled by the phone, and it switches between that device and the nav unit's Handsfree profile based on wether or not I'm on a call. After I'm finished with my call the phone switches back to the FIPIO and resumes the audio.
Thanks for the detailed reply, as i use the Dice Electronics unit for an iTouch, which like your unit one needs to remove 6-disc changer and insert the Dice unit that hooks to the iTouch. What i like about rSAP is that the car has a far better cellular amp/antenna plus rSAP migrated contacts from the SIM to the car's computer. While i could take out the sim card and insert it into the car directly, that is a hassle versus using bluetooth rSAP for each time i enter/leave the car. The car does work via 'basic' normal Bluetooth with the WP7 for handsfree with all the usual features, yet enjoyed the rSAP advantages. Thanks again, ALL help is ALWAYS apprecaited.
So folks,
today the sony ericsson live view arrived. It´s quite cheap in germany (42 euro).
The package contains:
Live View
Wrist strap
Clip
Charger (mini USB, also loads the phone it you want to!)
Manuals
So the device is really smal and does what it promises.
I read some bad reviews at amazon.de, but until now it does not seem to be as bad. The connection between the phone and the live view broke up when it was about 3 meters, so that´s OK so far (could be better).
Reading SMS or the other stuff works.
Sportypal Pro does not work. (that´s one of two released apps that have live view support)
Instalation is easy, no problems there.
The clip has broken down after trying to release the live view for the second time.
Can´t say anything about battery life time until now.
But... I would say, thinking about future plugins for 3rd party apps, this litte device can be something really relly cool. I mean, if you have for example a OSM navigation app, that has live view support, you can easily fix that wrist strap on to the handlebar of your bike... and so on...
It also works as a remote for the music player (can be interesting on skies).
But now a little question. What musicplayer is that (pic) ... This musicplayer has to be installed at the phone natively, but i have no link to open it...
Best regards
(sorry for that really bad english, but it´s very late, the day was very long)
I would love to hear more about your live view as time goes on. I see great potentials in this little gizmo. Question; can you pair live view and a bluetooth [email protected] same time?
Also that native music app is available through creating custom shortcut with adw or launcherpro. There's prolly a thread with shortcut apk file somewhere in this forum. Good luck!
Free X10!
just got Live View this morning - actually, not for me, for my wife as she's got an X10. But since she's on T-mobile and they haven't issued their 2.1 update yet, we couldn't try it out on that device but did manage to do so on my HTC Desire.
First impressions of the box/presentations were pretty shoddy. For some reason here in the UK we were issued a 2-pin European plug (suggesting that etraders got their first batch from abroad) rather than a 3-pin one. Lucky I had an adapter at home. And it wasn't even in the box, it was just shoved in a bag in the mail package.
The accessories with the device are very plasticky. You get a wrist strap, a clip (to attach to pockets, bag handles etc) and a watch housing so you can attach it to the wrist strap. Actually getting the damn wrist strap/watch housing connected was very fiddly, took us about 20 minutes of messing around with little metal pins they supply to get it right. Again, why they couldn't have done this themselves is a mystery and making the customer do it is just frustrating.
First impressions of the device itself are decent, the calling/message notifications work well, the screen is large enough that you can read full text messages and you have the option to mute/reject calls when they come in.
Couple of annoying things: it does seem to lose its pairing fairly easily, maybe it's because we're using the Desire at the moment and not the X10 but I'm not sure. Also, the notification light (e.g. it flashes green if there is a message) doesn't last very long, just a few seconds, it would make more sense if it kept on flashing until you viewed the message.
Oh, one more annoying thing. If you lose the pairing, the watch can't show the time since it takes the time from the phone. My wife wouldn't mind using this as a watch as well, but she would need to have the phone with her all the time and paired up if that was the case. Again, not terribly practical.
there is potential though, the idea of plug-ins is a good one and hopefully there will be a lot of these to expand the functionality of the device.
Will write more once my wife's phone gets the update and is connected.
please look at that can print incoming calls, whether the caller's name
Yes, it does
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What is the battery life like?
Anyone tried it together with eg. the MW600 bt headset ??
- can both devices work with the phone at the same time ??
sry I don´t have a second bt device.
battery life will be tested this week.
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Anyone tried it together with eg. the MW600 bt headset ??
- can both devices work with the phone at the same time ??
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Couldn't try it with the MW600, but was able to test it with another stereo headset, the HB205 (Sony Ericsson). Worked fine no problem, tried calling the phone and the headphones stopped the music and rang the tone while the Liveview displayed the name/number and vibrated. I would imagine it would be the same for other bluetooth headsets.
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Yes, it does
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Thank you...
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Just to clarify, The liveview doesn't lose the time if it disconnects, it loses the time if you then turn it off completely (therefore resetting it).
In fact last night I went to find it to charge it as I only wear it at work, and I pressed the button and it was saying 1.06 am, and i hadn't even had my bluetooth on let alone had the thing near my phone.
Same thing with some of the connection issues, sometimes it goes wrong completely, but depending on what you do in certain situations, you can reconnect quickly.
The problem is SE haven't spelt these out, even pairing the thing in the first place was a nightmare, I had it for 48 mins and couldn't even use it, as i didn't know all the delicate things about it when things don't work. Couldn't really give this to someone as a gift as a casual user, may effect sales until they get the app working better. But I am okay with it now and its doing what I need it to do, and lasting the day.
protorix said:
It also works as a remote for the music player (can be interesting on skies).
But now a little question. What musicplayer is that (pic) ... This musicplayer has to be installed at the phone natively, but i have no link to open it...
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It seems to me the native Android media player, can someone confirm? The odd thing is that I haven't found a way to start this media player stand alone...
I'm actually disappointed that the supported media player isn't Mediascape, so I can't start music from phone and then switch to Liveview!
Can confirm that supported music player is Android native player, which is a real bummer as I use mediascape for all my music. To activate, simply depress right button on liveview for 2-3 seconds.
I bought one today at a Telenor shop in Stockholm. It cost me 567SEK (60 EUROS) and I would recommend no one pays more than that for a LiveView in Sweden.
I agree with all the previous reviews. It does what it says on the tin ! But it is not ready yet to gift to your girlfriend for Christmas... The strap and holder are cheap plastic and I managed to bend one of the mounting pins whilst carefully trying to put it all together, if they had assembled the watchstrap before-hand it would have saved alot of problems. The instruction manual gave no direction on this at all ! If anything, the single diagram of the watchstrap was misleading.
The LiveView is smaller than expected, if anything it is too small and I wouldn't have complained if it was a little larger and 'styled' somewhat. It's the sort of thing that (and I hope SE have registered patents !!!) SonyEricsson could sell the LiveView module to a proper watch manufacturer like Seiko who could make something more stylish out of it. As it is, it is a small, square bit of plastic which performs some functions but is clearly capable of much more.
This is one of those things that you think is a good idea, but far too early for release. I can promise you that you will all be wearing a 'LiveView' type device in five years time.... But the current version is really still on the geek/hacker level.
But I do hope this does result in some interesting apps in the next few months.
My current, major technical concern with LiveView is that if it is more than 2 metres away from my X10 then it loses connection. My Bluetooth headset can easily manage 5 metres and so should LiveView. But it does manage to automatically reconnect to my X10 when in range, but it leaves the "Find my phone" application pretty useless.
lornova said:
It seems to me the native Android media player, can someone confirm? The odd thing is that I haven't found a way to start this media player stand alone...
I'm actually disappointed that the supported media player isn't Mediascape, so I can't start music from phone and then switch to Liveview!
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long touch on an empty field
"other shortcut"
"chose activity"
"activitys"
"music" / "gallery"
so whats the definitive answer on the mw600 connected at the same time as liveview ?! can both be used at the same time ?!
can u listen to music whilst reading texts emails etc !? ...ie both devices connected at the same time without disconnection (i can cope with the calls being halted or an odd stall when i get a text but if both cannot be used at the same time then it defeats the object of having wireless devices with the bluetooth headphones and the liveview to control it!
I can confirm that LiveView and Mw600 can work together, at the same time with no problem !
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Couldn't try it with the MW600, but was able to test it with another stereo headset, the HB205 (Sony Ericsson). Worked fine no problem, tried calling the phone and the headphones stopped the music and rang the tone while the Liveview displayed the name/number and vibrated. I would imagine it would be the same for other bluetooth headsets.
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cashaw said:
I can confirm that LiveView and Mw600 can work together, at the same time with no problem !
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Cheers to you both for answering a question I've been trying in vain to get SonyEricsson Support (useless) to answer for me.
Hi all
Bought the above BT unit for my car and plant vehicles yesterday and thought I'd give you the heads-up on how it's going. I needed something that easily transfers between vehicles, so didn't want a wired solution.
Well, in a nutshell it's perfect for my use. The unit downloaded my phone book (792 contacts in 11 groups) in a matter of 15 seconds. I first paired with my Sg2 after a little bit of fiddling, I had to hold down the red and green buttons together first - nowhere in the supplied or online manuals does it say to do that first but, there ya go.
In use.....
1. Audio is extremely clear, although scrolling through the contact names with the centre dial is laborious and the robo-voice is pretty bad, but then again the voice dialling works great so there's really no need to use the scrolling method at all. For instance, I press the green button, the unit says " Who would you like to call", I say " Jane mobile" and voila, it dials instantly and extremely quickly. No errors.
2. Likewise with pickup of calls. The phone rings followed by the unit. I say "answer" and boom. Incidentally, if the caller is in your phonebook the unit says the name of the caller. Also, if you update your phone's contact list at any time, the Parrot automatically updates it's contact list to match the phone at the next time you turn on the Parrot and pair with your phone. Brilliant.
3. Using satnav ( CoPilot Live and a couple of others) the audio is sent out throught the Parrot automatically. The phone has priority over the satnav, naurally.
4. Using the music player, the audio also comes out through the Parrot. Not a great sound but good enough for most purposes, especially if you're listening to something like Tune In Radio. So if your listening, for example, to Tune In whilst running satnav at the same time, the radio dims for guidance audio then comes back up, and if the phone rings whilst your listening to the radio and using satnav, then they both dim until you finish your call.
Excellent stuff all round I reckon. By the way, I'm nothing to do with Parrot, but I think praise where praise is due.....
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Regards
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