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Has anyone used b&b 4.3 AND Touch 3.01?

As post title, has anyone on here actually used b&b 4.3 AND Touch 3.01?
Everyone that posts seems to have a preference between the two, but most people are judging the newer version of one against an older version of the other.
I would like someone who has used both to give their opinions on each and which one is better?
I am currently using b&b 4.3 and its wicked, but it seems to have slowed down a lot after some customisation so I am thinking of swapping to Touch 3.01 if its faster with similar features.
Cheers

I've tried them all
Meschle's tend to be faster than Tom's... and I'm not a huge fan of all black schemes...
I was using BB for a while, but found it slow, and switched to Premium Plus, which was ok, but also slowed down after a while.
I've now reverted to Vanilla 2.01 (a couple of days ago) and put on the Apps I need seperately, and speed, performance and battery life are much much better and instantly noticeable improvement, despite having to load on all the extras like Hbutton etc, and I don't overclock at all.

I tried both.
I agree with you guys that BB slows down after customization and installation of my favorite apps.
From the day Artemis Touch 3.01 (full no cube) released I use it till now. Very fast even with many apps installed. Plus memory leak is less than BB.
I 'm very happy with it. I will change it only if a newer release comes out.
Meschle did a great job (not that Tom did not ).

To me, the appearance of the rom is extremely important, and Tom's is much more graphically engaging than Meschle's.
Regarding speed, it hasn't really slowed down for me.
I only used Meschle's rom for a couple of days and probably would have stayed with it if the graphics (e.g. HTC Home buttons) were as good as Tom's.
Props to both chefs.

For me:
I've tried the touch 3.01 for about two days. It slowed down my htc and a I lost
plenty of storage..
So I changed to B&B. Now I'm very happy with this rom. It suits my requirements best.
I have a lot of storage left. And nearly no storage goes lost.
I'm realy satisfied with this rom - so I'm looking forward to the new release 5.0
Thx a lot Tom!
bye
peter

I installed Mesche Meschle Touch 3.01 Full with cube on the day it was released(11/11/07). Very happy with it, no hard reset until now. Soft reset usually about once a week. I would not change, only to update.

majo_scigo said:
I installed Mesche Meschle Touch 3.01 Full with cube on the day it was released(11/11/07). Very happy with it, no hard reset until now. Soft reset usually about once a week. I would not change, only to update.
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How you u can do a hard reset on Touch 3.01? I dont find them...

o2orbit said:
How you u can do a hard reset on Touch 3.01? I dont find them...
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A hard reset is as the name suggests, it's a function of the hardware, it's not software dependent, with the two softkeys held down, press the reset button, you'll then be presented with a confirmation.

Yes i do this, but then write, that you must press send button to hard reset it, but ayn button i press it, is my orbit not hardreseted??? Which button is mean for send button?

I switched from B&B 4.3 to Touch 3.1 Lite without cube and I find the Touch rom is faster and more stable. The memory leak seems to be less of a problem than with B&B but they are both fine roms.

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Which button is mean for send button?
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'Send Button' = the green phone button (for answer / initiate calls)

I've tried the Touch 3 and BB 4.3. Toms ROM looked great and was pretty fast but I didn't load up all my applications on it. I didn't really like the P-Bar prog as much as the simple X-Button. Also, his ROM was kinda light. A lot of people like that but I like not having to add a bunch of programs to get it the way I want it.
The Touch ROM was my favorite. W/cube there was a little mem drain but not much at all. It had most of the applications I was used to and was pretty fast. I would have kept the ROM but I was experiencing some problems with it that no one else seemed to have. So I switched to the Premium Plus ROM and it seems to be the perfect ROM for me. Pretty stable and functional if you soft reset once a week.
I don't care as much about the look as I do about functionality and stabilty. To me, Tom's ROM just didn't do that much. The way I figure, the more applications you have cooked into the ROM already, the less stuff you have to add, hence, slowing down the device and or unknown software conflicts. So I say pick the ROM that requires the least customization.

Battery life on WM6.5

Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed that battery life on the TP2 is $hite after upgrading from WM6.1 to 6.5?
Using 6.1, I used to have Phone, Bluetooth and WiFi on all day at work, and get home and still have 60% batttery left.
Now, I have to turn off Bluetooth when it's not in use, and WiFi, and will be lucky to get home with more than 30% left.
Battery or unit hasn't been damaged or anything, and the only change was flashing the new WWE ROM through it.

I noticed an decrease in battery life too. That, the high memory usage, and the general feeling that the 6.5 ROM isn't as stable as the 6.1 ROM has made me flash back to WM6.1.

yup, same here.
Battery is dropping much faster, as well as higher mem usage.
Also the information tab of the power icon constantly says not applicable even though I have fully charged the unit numerous time already.

Yes, bettery life on my handset has been reduced. I've disabled all the push internet and removed a couple of the touch flo tabs to see if this will help. I think the new weather panel could be contributing.

i had the same not applicable issue, but yesterday i used the phone until battery was less than 10% and then charged it fully. now it's ok

Flashing back to 6.1?
Can you actually flash back to version 6.1? I thought that the upgrader wouldn't let you go back a version?
I do have the original HTC 6.1 ROM file and would do it, but I don't want to completely brick the unit.
The batttery info tab does the same on mine... so that's no good.
I've turned off all the push functions and the program quick-start cache and, at first, my memory availaibilty nearly doubled. However, it won't get back to those levels, even after a soft reset. I've tried Pocket Mechanic to clean out redundant RAM, dead process threads the lot... no joy.
There's other bugs too... when you rearrange the folders using Resco Explorer to drop them into logical Start Menu group folders, some still appear in the wrong group, even though they don't show in the directory listing... and that's WITH 'show hidden files' option to 'on'. e.g. HTC People icon, and Microsoft Mobile Online which stays on the main menu wherever you move it... it seems to make a copy of itself.
It's an odd little app anyway, as my online MS Live account doesn't show any activity to do with my mobile... so where my txt message backup has actually gone is anyone's guess?
I think overall, with HTC withdrawing the ROM from their own website, it's fair to say it's nowhere ready and far too buggy... and they are obviously not happy with it going out to public release.
If I can flash it back safely, then I'll do it.

6.1 ROMS
ridolfo said:
I noticed an decrease in battery life too. That, the high memory usage, and the general feeling that the 6.5 ROM isn't as stable as the 6.1 ROM has made me flash back to WM6.1.
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Thought I had the 6.1. ROM, but it's not the full version... just an incremental.
Is there anyone on here that knows a secret location for the original HTC European WWE HTC 6.1 ROM? Signature panel shows what I had before.
I've tried a search and can only find cooked ones.
Thanks.

TyTanIc said:
Is there anyone on here that knows a secret location for the original HTC European WWE HTC 6.1 ROM? Signature panel shows what I had before.
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Is this the sort of thing you are looking for? It's version 1.19.401.1, but version .0 is also at the repository link below if you need it. I presume this is the full ROM.....
The roms can be found located at the XDA ROMS repository.
I hope it is okay to link from here?
I don't know about downgrading, sorry - i'm sure someone with more experience can help though.
Cheers

I think you can only downgrade if you have hardspl on your phone.

Reaper said:
I think you can only downgrade if you have hardspl on your phone.
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Nope, I upgraded from the stock WM6.1 to WM6.5, and then "downgraded" to WM6.1 again using the RUU from HTC; no HardSPL involved there.

Post what YOU did to make your Touch Pro 2 GREAT

I'm about to give up on this phone. It constantly lags/glitches/resets in messaging, has all kinds of issues with multitasking, and is extremely slow and unreliable.
ANYONE out there that has a fully functioning messaging/internet/calling machine out there - please post what you did from start to finish to create a great phone.
Thank you.
This is my last attempt - been terrible since "upgrading" from AT&T Tilt

I see from your sig that you're using a ROM with Sense 2.5 which may be the source of your problems.
If you want to read my story, keep going. Otherwise, my tip is to "downgrade" to official WinMo 6.1 ROM.
Here's my story:
When I bought the device, I was pleasantly happy with the stock ROM which has WinMo 6.1 and the version of TouchFlo3D that doesn't have the weather in the Home tab.
The 1st ROM I flashed was the official HTC released WinMo 6.5 ROM. Huge mistake. Everything worked but just seemed slower. I've since tried multiple cooked ROMs over the months. They were all faster than the official WinMo 6.5 ROM but there was always a glitch here and there. Often, it was minor enough to be suitable for daily use.
But then I decided recently to switch back to my stock WinMo 6.1 ROM just for the heck of it. It's so much faster and smoother. And everything just works.
Positives of the original WinMo 6.1 ROM over others:
1. Multitasking - Under normal usage, I've never had an application autokill because RAM was running out. This is the case even with Push-Internet enabled. With other ROMs, I can almost never run Opera, Streaming Media, and MSN Messenger at the same time. One of them will certainly autokill.
2. TouchFlo3D smoothness - There's no stuttering and drops in framerates when moving the slider. With other ROMs, (especially Sense2.5) it's never as smooth.
Drawbacks of the original WinMo6.1 ROM over others:
1. Lockscreen - The stock lockscreen of WinMo 6.5 is much more elegant and useful than that of WinMo 6.1
2. TouchFlo3D - It has since been replaced by newer versions with more functionality and eyecandy. But to be honest, the only thing I miss is the weather forecast on the Home tab.
3. Overall finger friendliness in the OS - Dropdown menus and checkboxes are all better in WinMo 6.5.

Its up to you if you want to move back to 6.1....but i hated 6.1... i had more problems with it
With windows 6.1... i had problems with my bluetooth... when i have the bluetooth on my ear for 10 minutes without a call... i lose connection,, i get "lost connection"
With windows 6.5.... the problem was solved... didnt have no bluetooth problems anymore

I want to love my TP2 but ever since I upgraded my OS to 6.5 and other cooked ROM's, I've had issues. WM 6.5 seems to cause my TP 2 either go into standby of death (cant come out of standby) or if and when it eventually decides to come out of it, the screen is frozen.
With cooked ROMS, I have to constantly flash different ROM's in hopes of finding one that is stable and runs smoothly. I have until the 5th of March to either get a replacement TP2 with 6.1 WM running on it or find a cooked ROM that features stability and smoothness.

I found the EnergyROM series to be quite stable and fast for me. Only drawback is you should get the Titanium version instead of the Sense/Manila version. Much much faster.
I have a Tilt2, and the stock 6.5 ROM was slower than molasses. Dunno if you can downgrade the Tilt2 to 6.1.

Your issue is exactly why I do not switch to the cooked ROMs until they are very mature for my particular device. The unintended consequences and insurmountable little glitches drive you crazy. There are great ROMs out there, but look at each ROMs thread and you will see that they all have their issues.
I have the Tilt 2 with stock 6.5. I feel pretty certain my setup and speed can smoke any other U.S smartphone that you would trade in for. First I removed all of the bloat with CrudScraper and manual methods. Next I turned off all TouchFlo. This is the single biggest improvement to my device's performance. TF takes up big time resources and in my opinion is one of the worst interfaces available for WM. I also turn off all Today screen plugins. I use Mobile Shell which is the one big trade off...it is awesome, but it too is a huge resource hog. Install Manila NoPushInternet, get rid of Opera 9. Install SSK TP2 Dynamic Resource Proxy. Then become very adept at using the Rhodium Keyboard controller. Install something like Memmaid and schedule daily cleans of the cache files and temp folders. Install something like SKSchema that allows you to schedule soft resets overnight while you sleep. I recommend loading Pnonex 2.2 or Inesoft Phone to add incredible functionality to your phone with contacts/favorites/profiles. Stay in Edge as much as possible. Only switch to 3G when you need to surf or download. Except for the extremely long reset time, my device smokes my brother's Moto Android and my other bros iPhone. I have no issues with freezes, connecting to internet, not getting notifications and many of the other issues I hear about. These issues are almost always related to a cooked ROM or an unstable 3rd party app. Don't get me wrong, the stock ROM could have been soooo much better. But I will match my functionality and stability against any cooked ROM here. Bottom line is, to each his own.

Slow down, notice the subtle nuances then decide
I went from my Wizard to first a Cliq then a Behold 2 before realizing that I am a WinMo girl and going with my first instinct and getting my TP2 (all within my buyers remorse time). I had a stock 6.1 and then "upgraded" to first a stock 6.5, then to cooked variations.
I went back to my stock 6.1
I removed most bloat, added a few updated programs, used Advanced Config to tweak things. My rom doesn't have the pretty Home page with the weather (which frankly is the ONLY thing I miss), but I can go roughly 36 hours with very heavy usage and up to almost 3 days with normal to light usage. It is stable and fast. I have no internet issues, no BT issues, no wifi issues. I do not use email on my phone so I don't know if there is any issue or not, but I do rely heavily on GPS and have had no problems.
I did add some cab files that made little tweaks, like the one that gives me a snooze option on my stock alarm. I did upgrade my Opera to 10 from the stock 9. I use TCPMP as my media player, and removed most of the tab options--keeping only Home, Calendar, Weather, Programs, Settings. I changed my splash screen to a custom one I made, and switched my wallpaper...but other than those minor things, it is a stock rom and I am happy with it.
There will always be a debate over 6.1 vs 6.5 versions...I prefer stability and speed to eye candy, so for me 6.1 wins. I felt 6.5 was like going to Vista. Sure it was prettier, but the "improvements" just didn't feel like an improvement to me.
The best thing to do while you are still in the buyers remorse period is to go stock, add some tweaks and feel it out. From that you can decide if you are a 6.1 person or a 6.5 person. You will also get a basic feel for the device and what it is capable of. Many cooked roms here are great, but as with anything cooked, it is a matter of taste. Perhaps you haven't found your right flavor yet. But if you keep blowing through roms, you aren't getting the full TP2 experience.
Here's an analogy--I was just in Vegas, but this was the first time I really SAW Vegas. There is an old Vegas (6.1 rom) and a new Vegas (6.5 variations). I enjoyed the buffets and shows at old Vegas, but loved the lights and sparkle of new Vegas. You won't know what works for you if you don't check it out individually and linger for a bit. Much like my stay in Vegas, if I blew through it (as you seem to be going through roms), all the subtle nuances would be missed.
THERE ARE WAYS TO TWEAK THE DEVICE. Maybe you just aren't feeling WinMo and need to move to a Droid...some people are like that (I'm not one of those people). As far as a WinMo device goes though, this one is rock solid.

akashastrega said it best
I agree with akashastrega above. Each user has his/her own needs.
I am a power business user of my phone. I use it all day every day for email, calendar, etc. I do not use it as a music player.
I am on Ark's 6.5 ROM (a couple builds ago). It is stable and I have it tweaked to my liking.
I would definitely suggest looking around at the ROMs to find one you like. Some are more sparkly than others and some are more stable than others. Once you find a ROM, decide what tweaks you want/need. And if you are having any issues, serach for solutions.

Just got my Tilt2 and so far have disabled TF3D and added some cabs. Seems to work great. Havent had problems with freezes or anything. Disabling TF3D really made a huge difference and I reallllly like this phone compared to the Fuze I used to have.

Disable TF3D.
Add PocketBreeze, PhoneAlarm and PocketWeather.
Happy camper.

Flash DeepShining Rom and enjoy. Fast, stable and AWESOME.

After noticing that HTC had posted the Tilt2 shipped ROM here:
http://www.htc.com/us/support/tilt-2-att/downloads/
http://member.america.htc.com/download/RomCode/HTC_Tilt2_ATT/HTCTilt2ATTOriginalShipROM.exe
I decided to check if they had done the same for the T-Mobile TP2, and of course it was not there. Checked on their forums and posted on this thread to try and request it so that it would be available to anyone who preferred the 6.1 ROM over the 6.5 upgrade.
http://community.htc.com/na/htc-forums/windows-phone/f/34/t/215.aspx
Maybe they would be more willing to post this as well if there was enough demand for it.

Zylograth said:
After noticing that HTC had posted the Tilt2 shipped ROM here:
http://www.htc.com/us/support/tilt-2-att/downloads/
http://member.america.htc.com/download/RomCode/HTC_Tilt2_ATT/HTCTilt2ATTOriginalShipROM.exe
I decided to check if they had done the same for the T-Mobile TP2, and of course it was not there. Checked on their forums and posted on this thread to try and request it so that it would be available to anyone who preferred the 6.1 ROM over the 6.5 upgrade.
http://community.htc.com/na/htc-forums/windows-phone/f/34/t/215.aspx
Maybe they would be more willing to post this as well if there was enough demand for it.
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cdguider managed to extract the stock 6.1 TMO US ROM, minus the radio anyway (which is still available separately), you can find it and the info in THIS thread

ChasDun said:
Your issue is exactly why I do not switch to the cooked ROMs until they are very mature for my particular device. The unintended consequences and insurmountable little glitches drive you crazy. There are great ROMs out there, but look at each ROMs thread and you will see that they all have their issues.
I have the Tilt 2 with stock 6.5. I feel pretty certain my setup and speed can smoke any other U.S smartphone that you would trade in for. First I removed all of the bloat with CrudScraper and manual methods. Next I turned off all TouchFlo. This is the single biggest improvement to my device's performance. TF takes up big time resources and in my opinion is one of the worst interfaces available for WM. I also turn off all Today screen plugins. I use Mobile Shell which is the one big trade off...it is awesome, but it too is a huge resource hog. Install Manila NoPushInternet, get rid of Opera 9. Install SSK TP2 Dynamic Resource Proxy. Then become very adept at using the Rhodium Keyboard controller. Install something like Memmaid and schedule daily cleans of the cache files and temp folders. Install something like SKSchema that allows you to schedule soft resets overnight while you sleep. I recommend loading Pnonex 2.2 or Inesoft Phone to add incredible functionality to your phone with contacts/favorites/profiles. Stay in Edge as much as possible. Only switch to 3G when you need to surf or download. Except for the extremely long reset time, my device smokes my brother's Moto Android and my other bros iPhone. I have no issues with freezes, connecting to internet, not getting notifications and many of the other issues I hear about. These issues are almost always related to a cooked ROM or an unstable 3rd party app. Don't get me wrong, the stock ROM could have been soooo much better. But I will match my functionality and stability against any cooked ROM here. Bottom line is, to each his own.
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In short, you must walk on egg shells or winmo will crash and burn. As far as "smoking" the motodroid, that statement i believe is exaggerated. Yes it may (even then it's a maybe) run a little faster but i wouldn't use the word "smokes". Even if it does run faster, i'm willing to bet your brother hasn't had to do anything anywhere close to what you stated in the book you just wrote about what you did to your phone to make it stable. I don't care what ROM or what apps you install on your winmo phone, the core code is still crap and completely unstable and slow. You can't fix that with a cooked ROM or a 3rd party app.
To answer the original question: My suggestion is to wait for the android port to be completed and install android on your tp2. I've owned several winmo phones dating back to winmo 5 and I am now on the tilt2 with winmo 6.5 and i gotta say 6.5 is the worst of them all. The sms freezing/lagging and the sluggishness will never go away. The current android build isn't fully functional yet but you can make and receive calls, text, and get data on it so I use it about 50% of the time on my tilt2. Blows winmo out of the water as far as stability goes and the port isn't even complete. Looks to me like that's what you're looking for, stability. The only reason I don't use it exclusively is because power management isn't working properly yet so it drains the battery pretty quickly. But progess is being made as we speak.
Good luck.

This device has no bugs at all.
Use stock rom, or NRG rom, with sense 2.1, and WM build 21XXX, and u will see.
Its by far the stablest and smoothest WM device i had, even with the 528 qualcomm proccessor.
The only annoying thing on this device, is the modified bluetooth stack that sometimes causes the device to freeze on activesync via bluetooth.

To add something to this thread.
For the fun of it i tested my Tp2.
Normaly i dont lets apps stay open.
But just to let you all know i openend up
9 applications i started with round 70% free memory.
With all apps open it whent down to 35 % free memory.
Now this is nice to know.......no freeze no glitch and my tf3d slider works perfect.
After closing the apps i have 69% free memory back.
I use this phone alot for the hardware keyboard.( i have Hd2 to)
And i run official rom 2.1 sense.
Hope it helps a litlle.
Greetz.

I have the tilt 2 & I'm running JoshKoss 1.8 sence2.5 full build. It's running fast & stable no freezes or resets. I primary use this phone for e-mails, internet, & phone calls. I'm not into watching movies or listening to music on it.

I play with alot of cooked ROMs and I never really had any problems. I would say that you have to know the device and what you want. Typically after flashing, I will go deep in and turn off whatever that I don't need. So gone with all the auto-updates, gsensor, push internets etc. I even use MemMaid and disable all the startup items, services and notifications that I do not need.
My device runs alot faster and stable as a result.

actually MIGHTY ROM seems to be the bet rom around.. its stable and FAST!!

I'm using my TP2 with the Stock 6.5 & have never faced any problems whatsoever

Sense or WinMo Only?

Hi folks,
Got my TP2 to replace my Uni just over a month ago (I know the TP2 is an old phone now, but I could not upgrade until now, and its taken me 4 years to replace the Uni).
Anyway, I love the phone, but my god is so SLOWWWW and so BUGGY and just generally unreliable. Now on my Uni, I was running a Hybrid of 6.1/6.5 that I put on it last May, and it is awsome, its not 100% stable, but it certainly feels faster and is far more reliable than the TP2.
Anyway, i have been jumping backwards and forwards between Sense and Windows Mobile "today" screen, and the difference in just that seems remarkable.
When Sense is running, not only does it seem to be using about 25MB more RAM, but it suffers a hell of a lot of slowdowns, SOD instances, and generally, whilst it can be quite nippy at times, the amount of times it just hangs or is slow, makes the phone next to useless!! I have to restart it at least 4 times a day, sometimes even more. Messaging is almost unusable, and the amount of times I have felt like throwing the phone in the bin is unreal (and cant be healthy).
Now when I turn the Sense off (as much as you can, it still interferes with messaging etc and makes it run like a pile of poo) everything seems lightning fast with very few slowdowns, and certainly no massive halts in what it is doing. I can't recall the last time I had an SOD problem, and I have had the phone on for 2 days now and not a restart.
When you get into pure WinMo interfaces (not made to look nice by Sense) they are so smooth, scrolling is as responsive as the iPhone (which I hate but it makes my TP2 look like a piece of poo and im embarrassed by it to be frank because of the bugginess), it appears to be all the crap HTC have done to the phone that is causing the problems.
Now I need to change the ROM for a more stable one regardless of anything, and have been considering the Energy ROM for about a week (reading up on it, still not clear how to change the ROM, jeeze it was so much easier with the Uni). I was originally considering the Std Sense 2.5 version, but after reading the coment about the Cookie HomeTab being how Sense should have been designed, I was considering that instead.
After running WinMo without the main Sense interface on the phone however, and seeing it running a lot smoother, I have been reconsidering my decision.
I need this phone to run with as little in the way of hassle as problem, I dont want to be constantly fighting a losing battle to keep it stable and reliable, I dont want to be taking 10 minutes to type a text or use IE (I do use Opera Mini for most things, but like IE from time to time) just because the interface is slowing everything down. Do peeps think that the Energy ROM with the Cookie HomeTab interface is the way to go, or does it still have issues, and I should stick with a stock install of Windows Mobile and only Windows Mobile.
I appreaciate your thoughts... I can't believe how HTC can release a phone with such bugged up software as this and actually expect consumers to use it, imho, my phone is not even as stable as one would expect the software to be in BETA stages, nevermind as a public release. I work on the development team for TopUp TV in Europe (we deal with the propietary software that runs on all the set-top boxes) so I know what to expect from public software, and this is certainly not fit for use, and if this is the way HTC are going, then the TP2 will be the final HTC I ever buy (in fact if I can't get it stable, it will be on eBay and ill be back on my Uni).
Current phone info:
OS Version - 5.2.21887
Manilla Version - 2.5.20121225.0
ROM Version - 2.07.401.1 (80303)
ROM Date - 02/04/10
Radio Version - 4.49.25.91

Shame to hear you had such bad experience.
I´m quite happy with my Rhodium, which tweaked properly works great!
And I also have an Uni

If you're looking on step by step instructions there's a sticky in the ROM Dev forum called "Flashing your first rom" if you have a GSM version (looks like it based on radio version). That'll take you through the how.
Now if all you want is a fast, stable rom, i'd recommend staying away from Sense 2.5. The fastest, stablest Energy rom is going to be the Sense 2.1 running on the 21xxx branch (currently 21901). See my sig for a link to the thread. Once you start going into the 23xxx branch or Sense 2.5 you start piling on additional features which tie up more resources. It's a trade off of eye candy for speed.

While I agree that HTC's Sense is generally more trouble than it's worth, aside from increased memory usage and occasional stuttering, it works just fine for me. I simply prefer the default WinMo interfaces. And I do not think anyone likes HTC Messaging, that part is horribly bugged and slow.
There are many ROMs or variants of which that do not have any Sense components built in, I believe there is an Energy ROM that uses Titanium as the default shell.
I would suggest to you the Cosmik Debris ROM here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=608009
It is based on WinMo 6.1 so it will probably be familiar to what you were using on your Uni, and out of all the ROMs I've tried it seems to have the least amount of HTC software built in (there always seems to be some left, you will defiantly want to disable the HTC dialer).
If you do not mind the classic WinMo (pre-titanium) today screen, or plan on using a third party one such as Spb, I think 6.1 is a good way to go. I've not found any advantage at all to running 6.5 besides a startmenu that looks like it was just carpet bombed.

got no problems using Sense 2.5....if you dont like it, try Sense 2.1 which is hecka quicker than 2.5 just no Twitter tab....im only on Sense for the sake of twitter and the fact all info is there all in one piece

I'm with the OP... My Sprint Rhodium was working fairly well prior to my update to WinMo 6.5 (stock ROM)... Afterwards, the boot time was slow, sometimes Sense just wouldn't load at all. Going to any tab was initially, painfully slow. Loading apps was not TOO much slower than 6.1, but it was still leaving a lot to be desired. So about 4 days ago, I switched from Sense to the WinMo 6.5 default today screen.. BAM! Problems gone.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not hating on HTC's Sense, I think it's great, the UI is awesome, it's just buggy... Perhaps there's some versions of the phone (think: manufacturing batches) that have issues with the newer software. Because OP is definitely not alone.
Sticking with WinMo's 6.5 Default - Mark

I just don't think the rhodium has the ram or the processor for sense 2.5. I gave up on sense a while ago. and even though 2.5 with cookie 1.8 is very nice looking, I'll take my custom cooked 23563 sys with 3.5.3 mobile shell on top. very fast and not buggy at all. everything works as it should.
since you have tried it with sense off, try the trial version of mobile shell or just stick with titanium. Some people are happier with that.
fyi, I have never had a SOD with sense not on my phone.

I second the previous poster's recommendation of SPB Mobile Shell 3.5.3. I've been using it since V2, and it's great. It only uses 4-6 MB of RAM. It's about as customizable as one could wish for right out of the box. As for ROM, I've been using Sergio76's Leo Cell Pro version 9.1 for a few days now, and I haven't had any hangs requiring restart or SOD. I've had SOD's without Sense, but that was only in the 23xxx branch. Serg's Pro series is on the 21xxx branch, the latest being 21901 in V 9.1. It's made of win and profit. Make sure you grab the one with no HTC Messaging or CHT.

Best combination stays the stock HTC 6.1 ROM with TouchFlo for me. The TouchFlo interface is very light on the hardware and looks smooth.
The newer Manilla 2.1 looks nice, but slows down here and there, together with WM6.5 it eats RAM!
I tried the Manilla 2.5, and it looks ugly (to me) with the big fat icons at the bottom together with allot of lag It's very noticeble that it's designed for the HD2, wich has allot more horsepower!
I like the fact that TouchFlo still keeps things finger-friendly ^^
Grtz,
FeareX

FeareX said:
Best combination stays the stock HTC 6.1 ROM with TouchFlo for me. The TouchFlo interface is very light on the hardware and looks smooth.
The newer Manilla 2.1 looks nice, but slows down here and there, together with WM6.5 it eats RAM!
I tried the Manilla 2.5, and it looks ugly (to me) with the big fat icons at the bottom together with allot of lag It's very noticeble that it's designed for the HD2, wich has allot more horsepower!
I like the fact that TouchFlo still keeps things finger-friendly ^^
Grtz,
FeareX
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The bottom icons are not Sense 2.5; they are the newer version of WM6. I am using 2.5, and my start menu is in the upper left, not the lower left.

stevedebi said:
The bottom icons are not Sense 2.5; they are the newer version of WM6. I am using 2.5, and my start menu is in the upper left, not the lower left.
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The new Sense 2.5 has those 3 big shortcut icons at the bottom (which turn to 9 when sliding up); that's likely what FeareX means.

ridolfo said:
The new Sense 2.5 has those 3 big shortcut icons at the bottom (which turn to 9 when sliding up); that's likely what FeareX means.
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Oh, is that Sense? I thought it was any WM 6 version with 6.5.x instead of just 6.5?
EDIT: Oh, the shortcut icons. I'm using Co0kies Home Tab, which has currently 25 shortcuts on 4 pages under my settings - 100 shortcuts. My ROM burned CHT into the mix and I've not used the "stock" sense 6.5.

stevedebi said:
Oh, is that Sense? I thought it was any WM 6 version with 6.5.x instead of just 6.5?
EDIT: Oh, the shortcut icons. I'm using Co0kies Home Tab, which has currently 25 shortcuts on 4 pages under my settings - 100 shortcuts. My ROM burned CHT into the mix and I've not used the "stock" sense 6.5.
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You are confusing Sense, which is an HTC UI, with Windows Mobile, which is an operating system.
Sense UI comes in three different versions for our phone:
Sense 2.0 no eye candy, stock
Sense 2.1 colored slider, programs tab
Sense 2.5 Twitter, facebook tabs, quick launch icons on homepage
Then there is WM, which has too many versions for our phone:
WM 6.1
WM 6.5
WM 6.5.3
WM 6.5.5
Here is info about WM:
http://www.modaco.com/content/i9x0-...m/299717/com-branches-explained/#entry1153714

burtonsnow8 said:
You are confusing Sense, which is an HTC UI, with Windows Mobile, which is an operating system.
Sense UI comes in three different versions for our phone:
Sense 2.0 no eye candy, stock
Sense 2.1 colored slider, programs tab
Sense 2.5 Twitter, facebook tabs, quick launch icons on homepage
Then there is WM, which has too many versions for our phone:
WM 6.1
WM 6.5
WM 6.5.3
WM 6.5.5
Here is info about WM:
http://www.modaco.com/content/i9x0-...m/299717/com-branches-explained/#entry1153714
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Actually, I think the OP was the one confused.
I don't think the original author was talking about Sense. I'm assuming he has the large soft keys found in the newer WM, which has the taskbar on the bottom rather than the top. Mine is OS build 21x; the bottom taskbar is builds 23x. That is OS, not Sense. But it was actually a bit difficult to make out what the OP was having problems with.

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Actually, I think the OP was the one confused.
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Not quite. He is saying with Sense UI loaded his phone is slow. Without Sense UI his phone is responsive but looks like crap.
I would suggest trying SPB mobile shell if you don't like Sense UI. Also titanium has some nice mods which can look good.

burtonsnow8 said:
Not quite. He is saying with Sense UI loaded his phone is slow. Without Sense UI his phone is responsive but looks like crap.
I would suggest trying SPB mobile shell if you don't like Sense UI. Also titanium has some nice mods which can look good.
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I must be the only one left who thinks good old classic Windows Mobile today screen looks just fine.
Absolutely every piece of information you need on one screen in a simple functional list. Easily customizable as well.
It is a beautiful sight to see how quickly WinMo boots up without having to load Sense.

Thans for the all info folks, I have spent the past week or so plodding along with the standard WinMo interface, and considering my options, using the info in this thread a guide...
Anyway, I am pleased to say the slugishness and text messaging problems of the stock ROM even with Sense disabled got too much for me, and I ended up changing the ROM...
I took a risk and decided to throw a Sense ROM on to begin with, thinking what the hell, if it struggles, ill just change it as ill notice problems pretty quickly.
I went for the Leo Cell Evo 9.1 23562 running Windows Mobile 6.5.5 and Sense and WITHOUT the HTC Messaging crap that plagued the stock ROM... and so far, I have to say, I am extremely impressed, everything runs smooth and fast, with no crashing, no SOD (yet), no massive slowdowns or hangs, and Sense is at last a dream to use, it is working how it should be!!
I am absolutely made up with this ROM, but I am also appalled at HTC's decision to expect the stock ROM to be suitable for this phone, as its only really suitable for odd call every now and again (its a £400 smartphone ffs, people dont buy them for the odd call now and again).
The ROM totally puts HTC and their development team to shame, and they should be ashamed of themselves - I have emailed them to let them know of my complete disappointment with the phone compared to my old Uni (out of the box) as I felt it was not fit for purpose with the stock ROM installed, and have mentioned the fact I have changed to a custom XDAD ROM and finally have a phone that works as it should - but why should I have to do this, and how can they expect to sell these phones to people who are not so involved or interested in modding and ROM's etc (the TP2 is aimed solely at the business user as far as im concerned, indeed the conference calling features, and the fact only Vodafone Business sell it through their retail channel in the UK suggest this to me - I got it on o2, but from a 3rd party supplier, o2 themselves dont do the phone). A business user does not want a phone that gives them hassle, they simply want on that works and is productive, with the best efficiency and no problems.
Maybe its HTC's way of saying to the world "get over to Android and save us the license fee's for WinMo" because I can't honestly see why they would release such a flawwed product when the hardware itself is fine, when using a working ROM, which HTC are either unable to, or don't want to release.
Anyway, once again XDA Developers have come to the rescue, and a well earned donation will be going to the team behind the Leo Cell ROM's next week!!
THANK YOU!! :-D

'Optimising' the Touch Pro 2 (WITHOUT FLASHING!)

Ok, i cant flash my Orange branded Touch Pro 2. SOOOOOO....
I have searched for the absolutly best way to get the ultimate performance from my device. Whether its the Orange ROM (WM6.5) or some wee glitch with my phone, ive had issues. I find Sense slow and buggy and have been plagued with freezes and having to rest several times every day. Battery performance has been poor and in general a fantastic machine just wasnt cutting the mustard (even went back to my Kaiser for a while).
The problems seem to be common enough tbh.
Anyway with just a few differences my machine has become the chalk against the previous cheese. A hard rest and forgetting about Sense was the start. Ive replaced it with SPB Mobile Shell 3.5.5. Combined with obvious backlight time adjustments, and a few 'Advanced Config' tweaks, my Touch Pro 2 has just become a different machine!
Much more smooth and resets just arent necessary.
Ive sacraficed Opera for the latest Opera Mini. More than adequate for my purposes and the interface is actually handier to use for people whos internet access is concentrated on just a few sites/ forums.
Im not on here advertising SPB by the way, just what ive found myself!
Unless you are a massive super user, i dont find the need for OCT or the like. I use MSM most of the day, regular Opera Mini, heavy SMS and occasional Word Mobile and find hte above arrangement brilliant.
Has anyone else any suggestions in the same vein that can help even more?? I am, and im sure most users are, open to minor tweaks. Flashing is a no go.
Q

I prefer CHT with OCT. My device absolutely flies. When it begins to lag a bit after using more than 5 apps, I just CleanRAM custom. Works like a charm. I have found that the device will work at maximum performance when installing everything to the Storage Card. Having all the RAM available for the OS keeps it faster for me. It seems that there is a performance difference when you have 70Gb as opposed to 50Gb. CleanRAM really is the greatest thing for this device.
I tried SPB Shell a few months ago, but I think CHT is much better. Theres way more customization and I find it easier to navigate. You just put your favorite apps in 3 pages. The Shell had things needlessly in different locations and into sub categories. It just didn't suit me.

use these roms. energy reference or titanium. theyre smooth and easy
http://hotfile.com/list/599461/c264c05

Quincey113 said:
Ok, i cant flash my Orange branded Touch Pro 2. SOOOOOO....
I have searched for
.... .....
most users are, open to minor tweaks. Flashing is a no go.
Q
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uncleswoop said:
use these roms. energy reference or titanium. theyre smooth and easy
http://hotfile.com/list/599461/c264c05
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lol
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I was trying to use a modded HTC Home plugin with HTC Home Customizer but ran up against too many problems, so I've returned to Sense for now. I'm hoping to flash a new ROM sometime soon, once I've reinstalled XP and 7 on my PC (I've only got Vista left as running normally, and dislike it too much to rely on it). I've also installed SPB shell on my wife's Acer e200, so was considering it, but I want to finish running some tests with the graphics drivers available here, with sense vs. sense turned off and some minor media playback issues first.

oh, i should have said. flashing is pretty much ur only way to improve what you want.
soooo.... if flash is a no go... new device maybe?